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***OFFICIAL 2009 NFL DRAFT*** (3 Viewers)
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Jeff Pasquino
Footballguy
I'll add Macho Harris to the wish list now...
Mighty Mice
Footballguy
On a roll, Jeff. Macho!
Jeff Pasquino
Footballguy
next one?don't stop now
Jeff Pasquino
Footballguy
I'd like a million dollars.... I'd like a million dollars.....
mcintyre1
Footballguy
A bit curious that Cody Glenn was the first Husker taken... he's a coverted RB that hadn't played LB until this season. Also was essentially kicked off the team for unreleased reasons (I heard rumors it was academic cheating, but it was never substantiated).
He does have talent as an undersized LB, though. He was leading the team in tackles before his suspension.
He does have talent as an undersized LB, though. He was leading the team in tackles before his suspension.
Jeff Pasquino
Footballguy
Was just about to say Fenuki Tupou...... ok, maybe not.next one?don't stop now
prymetyme25
Footballguy
Jeff Pasquino
Footballguy
prymetyme25
Footballguy
And for those who are wondering why the Texans Took 2 Te's back 2 back, I think and I have no evidence of this but I believe they are gonna put about 20 pounds on Hill and move him to OT or OG.
prymetyme25
Footballguy
With Murtha still on the board I think they will be alright. Don't they run the ZBS there?Ok, jumping back in it today... so can anyone tell me why Detroit, who has perhaps THE worst O-line in the league, has not even attempted to address it? Not even with a Day 2 pick? Six picks. No Guard. No Center. No Tackle.
brought back Foster and Loper from TENNo. Player Pos. Ht. Wt. Age Exp. College/University65 Gandy, Dylan C 6-3 290 27 4 Texas Tech51 Raiola, Dominic C 6-1 295 29 9 Nebraska60 Blair, James G 6-3 338 23 1 Western Michigan62 Coston, Junius G 6-3 313 25 5 North Carolina A&T66 Peterman, Stephen G 6-4 323 27 5 Louisiana State71 Ramirez, Manny G 6-3 326 25 3 Texas Tech76 Backus, Jeff T 6-5 305 30 9 Michigan77 Cherilus, Gosder T 6-7 319 24 2 Boston College74 Cook, Damion T 6-5 330 29 9 Bethune-Cookman72 Foster, George T 6-5 338 28 7 Georgia70 Loper, Daniel T 6-6 320 27 5 Texas TechOk, jumping back in it today... so can anyone tell me why Detroit, who has perhaps THE worst O-line in the league, has not even attempted to address it? Not even with a Day 2 pick? Six picks. No Guard. No Center. No Tackle.
MSULions
Footballguy
Because Mayhew/Schwartz know this is more than a 1 year project and are drafting for talent rather than need - which is exactly what they've been saying they would do for the last month. I honestly don't understand why anyone is complaining...every player they've taken has good upside and could contribute. There were holes everywhere...Thursday, March 26, 2009Ok, jumping back in it today... so can anyone tell me why Detroit, who has perhaps THE worst O-line in the league, has not even attempted to address it? Not even with a Day 2 pick? Six picks. No Guard. No Center. No Tackle.
Talent to drive Lions' draft picks, not need
Coach Schwartz says team's abundance of early selections eases pressure to fill holes.
John Niyo / The Detroit News
DANA POINT, Calif. -- In the end, it's a value judgment.
But before Jim Schwartz even had a chance to dig into his eggs at an hour-long breakfast session for NFC coaches at the NFL owners' meetings Wednesday, he found himself explaining -- without saying too much, of course -- the Lions' draft philosophy, particularly with the No. 1 overall pick.
"We can't afford to pass (on) talent in the draft," Schwartz said. "We're not at the position like I came from in Tennessee where you don't have a whole lot of holes and you say, 'Hey, we need to address these two or three positions in the draft.' Our needs are spread a lot farther. So particularly early in the draft, I don't think you'll see us pass what we believe is talent. You'll have to see us sort of pick the top player on the board.
http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/artic...60389&imw=Y
MSULions
Footballguy
BOOM GOES THEY DYNAMITE!!!!brought back Foster and Loper from TENNo. Player Pos. Ht. Wt. Age Exp. College/UniversityOk, jumping back in it today... so can anyone tell me why Detroit, who has perhaps THE worst O-line in the league, has not even attempted to address it? Not even with a Day 2 pick? Six picks. No Guard. No Center. No Tackle.
65 Gandy, Dylan C 6-3 290 27 4 Texas Tech
51 Raiola, Dominic C 6-1 295 29 9 Nebraska
60 Blair, James G 6-3 338 23 1 Western Michigan
62 Coston, Junius G 6-3 313 25 5 North Carolina A&T
66 Peterman, Stephen G 6-4 323 27 5 Louisiana State
71 Ramirez, Manny G 6-3 326 25 3 Texas Tech
76 Backus, Jeff T 6-5 305 30 9 Michigan
77 Cherilus, Gosder T 6-7 319 24 2 Boston College
74 Cook, Damion T 6-5 330 29 9 Bethune-Cookman
72 Foster, George T 6-5 338 28 7 Georgia
70 Loper, Daniel T 6-6 320 27 5 Texas Tech
smackdaddies
Footballguy
Anyone tell me why Jamon Meredith fell all the way to the pack in the 5th?
I have read all the sportsline, espn, etc stuff - looking for some actual information
I have read all the sportsline, espn, etc stuff - looking for some actual information
lyon812
Footballguy
Yeah. They needed someone more physical and he's intriguing enough to be useful. A lot of projections said the Rams would aim for one more young WR and look for a veteran afterwards, so this fits. That being said, I would have liked to see them grab someone else in the 3rd when there was far more talent available.
They weren't going to draft 53 players or draft 5 pro bowlers for their OL.Competition and a new starter(Loper) is not that bad. I think the Lions line has been lazy or lackadaisical. Competition and coaching may improve that line a considerable amount in and of itself.BOOM GOES THEY DYNAMITE!!!!brought back Foster and Loper from TENNo. Player Pos. Ht. Wt. Age Exp. College/UniversityOk, jumping back in it today... so can anyone tell me why Detroit, who has perhaps THE worst O-line in the league, has not even attempted to address it? Not even with a Day 2 pick? Six picks. No Guard. No Center. No Tackle.
65 Gandy, Dylan C 6-3 290 27 4 Texas Tech
51 Raiola, Dominic C 6-1 295 29 9 Nebraska
60 Blair, James G 6-3 338 23 1 Western Michigan
62 Coston, Junius G 6-3 313 25 5 North Carolina A&T
66 Peterman, Stephen G 6-4 323 27 5 Louisiana State
71 Ramirez, Manny G 6-3 326 25 3 Texas Tech
76 Backus, Jeff T 6-5 305 30 9 Michigan
77 Cherilus, Gosder T 6-7 319 24 2 Boston College
74 Cook, Damion T 6-5 330 29 9 Bethune-Cookman
72 Foster, George T 6-5 338 28 7 Georgia
70 Loper, Daniel T 6-6 320 27 5 Texas Tech
I would think adding a veteran WR to their young mix(if any addition) was the move to make, not necessarily another youngster. Is Foster even going to play? What will he bring that an undrafted free agent WR won't?
ESPN-lower pad level not enough push in run game
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Yeah I thought that Peters trade was almost a naive underappreciation for what they had
Steve Tasker
Footballguy
is it finally time for D-Will to get picked?
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Is Andy Reid the worst interview in sports? Why do they even waste their time?
PlasmaDogPlasma
Footballguy
I hope Jax takes James Davis.
Pat Patriot
Footballguy
Sinrman
Footballguy
Well, they definitely better get on it, because if it's anything like last season, their new star QB is going to get absolutely killed, a la David Carr in 2002.They weren't going to draft 53 players or draft 5 pro bowlers for their OL.Competition and a new starter(Loper) is not that bad. I think the Lions line has been lazy or lackadaisical. Competition and coaching may improve that line a considerable amount in and of itself.BOOM GOES THEY DYNAMITE!!!!brought back Foster and Loper from TENNo. Player Pos. Ht. Wt. Age Exp. College/UniversityOk, jumping back in it today... so can anyone tell me why Detroit, who has perhaps THE worst O-line in the league, has not even attempted to address it? Not even with a Day 2 pick? Six picks. No Guard. No Center. No Tackle.
65 Gandy, Dylan C 6-3 290 27 4 Texas Tech
51 Raiola, Dominic C 6-1 295 29 9 Nebraska
60 Blair, James G 6-3 338 23 1 Western Michigan
62 Coston, Junius G 6-3 313 25 5 North Carolina A&T
66 Peterman, Stephen G 6-4 323 27 5 Louisiana State
71 Ramirez, Manny G 6-3 326 25 3 Texas Tech
76 Backus, Jeff T 6-5 305 30 9 Michigan
77 Cherilus, Gosder T 6-7 319 24 2 Boston College
74 Cook, Damion T 6-5 330 29 9 Bethune-Cookman
72 Foster, George T 6-5 338 28 7 Georgia
70 Loper, Daniel T 6-6 320 27 5 Texas Tech
yeah discussed earlier. ESPN had him #2 and IIRC Bloom liked him alot too.Balco and others(apparently) thought he was too slow.Loadholt fell somewhat too. Walker is still undrafted. I think at least one sooner is going to prove these detractors wrong. That line played better than some pro lines.Anyone know why Duke Robinson fell so far? Accordingly to the scouting reports he was the best guard in the draft and should have gone on day one.
how is "last year of his contract" a reason to trade a guy. He's not going to command an enormous sum of money. This isn't champ bailey.
T Bell
Footballguy
I love when people argue this.yeah discussed earlier. ESPN had him #2 and IIRC Bloom liked him alot too.Balco and others(apparently) thought he was too slow.Anyone know why Duke Robinson fell so far? Accordingly to the scouting reports he was the best guard in the draft and should have gone on day one.
Loadholt fell somewhat too. Walker is still undrafted. I think at least one sooner is going to prove these detractors wrong. That line played better than some pro lines.
Donnybrook
Footballguy
Broncos got their 6th round QB -Tom Brandstarter. Now all McDaniels has to do is coach him up and make him into the next Tom Brady.
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Could be, we'll see.I am so intrigued by Schwarz and turning them around. I really think he's a special coach.If your scenario holds true, then they still have Daunte(discussed yesterday) who lost alot of weight and is fired up to show he's still got it and can be an asset to a team. Stafford can sit and learn for a year.
Mighty Mice
Footballguy
Doesn't mean he's not signed cheap, does it? If they move Sheldon (and i expect they may), they would have replaced him with Hobbs and his $2.5 million tag. That's pretty cheap for a starting CB.
Pat Patriot
Footballguy
"last year of his contract" isnt why they traded him, its why they only got 2 5ths for him.They traded him because he no longer projects to be a starter on their team. I liked Hobbs as a corner. He was a good 3rd round pick. However with Springs, Bodden, Wheatley and now Butler....there wasnt a spot for him.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
I have no reason to believe this, just spitballing, but we never did find out the exact list of guys that tested positive at the combine. For guys that fell in the draft, that's always a possibility.yeah discussed earlier. ESPN had him #2 and IIRC Bloom liked him alot too.Balco and others(apparently) thought he was too slow.Loadholt fell somewhat too. Walker is still undrafted. I think at least one sooner is going to prove these detractors wrong. That line played better than some pro lines.Anyone know why Duke Robinson fell so far? Accordingly to the scouting reports he was the best guard in the draft and should have gone on day one.
I know I know. I have never watched much college ball til this last year and they were just wow to me. Newspapers, websites. radio all also praising their line too. All I said was I think at least one guy from that line will prove the detractors wrong. Didn't put anyone in CantonThat line played better than some pro lines.
I love when people argue this.
ETA messed up quotes, bold was me not T Bell
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I think both Loadholt & Robinson will start. It's just that they are not dynamic players. Both are road-graders & needed to go to run-oriented teams (w/Loadholt flipping to the right side). Both ended up in the perfect position.yeah discussed earlier. ESPN had him #2 and IIRC Bloom liked him alot too.Balco and others(apparently) thought he was too slow.Loadholt fell somewhat too. Walker is still undrafted. I think at least one sooner is going to prove these detractors wrong. That line played better than some pro lines.Anyone know why Duke Robinson fell so far? Accordingly to the scouting reports he was the best guard in the draft and should have gone on day one.
Does PFR go back far enough to see when Springs started playing?
Pat Patriot
Footballguy
When you say he is "signed cheap" you are usually referring to multiple years. Eagles have him signed cheap for 1 year. That is why they didnt have to give up much to get him. It is a good trade for the Eagles. IMO it is neither a good nor bad trade for the Pats. Hobbs didnt fit into their future.
T Bell
Footballguy
I still don't understand why Washington didn't grab Robinson with their last pick given that they need a RT and they are a power running team.I think both Loadholt & Robinson will start. It's just that they are not dynamic players. Both are road-graders & needed to go to run-oriented teams (w/Loadholt flipping to the right side). Both ended up in the perfect position.yeah discussed earlier. ESPN had him #2 and IIRC Bloom liked him alot too.Balco and others(apparently) thought he was too slow.Loadholt fell somewhat too. Walker is still undrafted. I think at least one sooner is going to prove these detractors wrong. That line played better than some pro lines.Anyone know why Duke Robinson fell so far? Accordingly to the scouting reports he was the best guard in the draft and should have gone on day one.
Balco
Footballguy
He has the physical tools, just not the results. That is not a good combo. The two games I broke down, he did not look good (Rutgers and the bowl game). McDaniels has talent to work with, just call me skeptical.
