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I don't think bringing them back is a good sign if they're counted on in the future, no. But as a temporary solution while younger players are drafted for d-line positions and take time to develop, it makes sense. Of course, that all depends upon actually drafting those younger players.
Exactly. The o-line injuries and decline decimated the offense.
:Two speed-rushers with the top 2 picks would be atrocious, IMO. Following up with a RB before addressing OT or LB would also be disappointing.
Thanks a lot. I wanted to wait at least three more weeks before being disappointed.Sigmund Bloom has completed his complete draft mock and if the 'Skins actually end up with these picks I may:
Two speed-rushers with the top 2 picks would be atrocious, IMO. Following up with a RB before addressing OT or LB would also be disappointing.
I agree in theory, but if RB is by far the BPA in the 5th, why not? I wish we had more picks and could get a RB in the 3rd or 4th. Vinny really likes those two guys they brought in last month at RB though. Aldridge, and the CFL guy, so I don't really see them taking a RB like I did a month ago. Not taking a lineman until the 7th would start an internet war.Pat Kirwan's latest mock draft has the 'Skins taking DE Tyson Jackson. I could definitely live with that pick. He's listed as a top 3-5 DE by many, and is probably the highest rated run-stuffing DE by most.
Sigmund Bloom has completed his complete draft mock and if the 'Skins actually end up with these picks I may:
Two speed-rushers with the top 2 picks would be atrocious, IMO. Following up with a RB before addressing OT or LB would also be disappointing.
Maualuga is another Jeremiah Trotter, and I don't mean that in a good way. He doesn't have the game sense, plain and simple. That can work in Jim Johnson's scheme, but not in Blache's.Sebowski said:I agree in theory, but if RB is by far the BPA in the 5th, why not? I wish we had more picks and could get a RB in the 3rd or 4th. Vinny really likes those two guys they brought in last month at RB though. Aldridge, and the CFL guy, so I don't really see them taking a RB like I did a month ago. Not taking a lineman until the 7th would start an internet war.Sidewinder16 said:Pat Kirwan's latest mock draft has the 'Skins taking DE Tyson Jackson. I could definitely live with that pick. He's listed as a top 3-5 DE by many, and is probably the highest rated run-stuffing DE by most.
Sigmund Bloom has completed his complete draft mock and if the 'Skins actually end up with these picks I may
Two speed-rushers with the top 2 picks would be atrocious, IMO. Following up with a RB before addressing OT or LB would also be disappointing.
I'm still hoping for Muluaga at 13.
I'm with T Bell on this. The more I hear and read about Maualuga, the more I don't think he'll be a good fit with the 'Skins. I'd much rather have Cushing if they go LB with that pick.
I don't want either with that pick, but I agree that I'd much rather have Cushing. His game is much more transferable to the NFL.
Personally, I don't see the first 2 picks happening like that. I said as much in Bloom's thread he had on his 1st round picks and his justification for the picks ended up being round 2 from last year. Basically, because the 'Skins went with 3 receivers with their first 3 picks last year he thinks they could very well go with 2 DEs this year. I think that's an apples to oranges comparison, though. Kelly and Thomas were targeted because they were players the team didn't have (i.e. big receivers). There are already speed-rushing DEs on the roster, so picking up 2 more with high picks just doesn't make sense. Last year they added complementary pieces to what they already had. I don't have any reason to believe something similar won't happen this year.Plus, the 'Skins have a history of going strictly BPA with a 1st round pick as high they have this year, and Bloom seems to be one of the few draft pundits that thinks Johnson is worth going that high. My gut tells me the 'Skins don't have that high of a ranking on him.T Bell said:Thanks a lot. I wanted to wait at least three more weeks before being disappointed.Sidewinder16 said:
I was being facetious. I'm in complete agreement with your rationale. The "surprise" pick I could see them making that would resemble, in a way, last year's load-up-at-a-position method would be to grab one of the top two DT's (Raji or ????), which would shock most people given Haynesworth's signing. I wouldn't mind that at all given how thin they are on the DL as a whole though.Personally, I don't see the first 2 picks happening like that. I said as much in Bloom's thread he had on his 1st round picks and his justification for the picks ended up being round 2 from last year. Basically, because the 'Skins went with 3 receivers with their first 3 picks last year he thinks they could very well go with 2 DEs this year. I think that's an apples to oranges comparison, though. Kelly and Thomas were targeted because they were players the team didn't have (i.e. big receivers). There are already speed-rushing DEs on the roster, so picking up 2 more with high picks just doesn't make sense. Last year they added complementary pieces to what they already had. I don't have any reason to believe something similar won't happen this year.Plus, the 'Skins have a history of going strictly BPA with a 1st round pick as high they have this year, and Bloom seems to be one of the few draft pundits that thinks Johnson is worth going that high. My gut tells me the 'Skins don't have that high of a ranking on him.T Bell said:Thanks a lot. I wanted to wait at least three more weeks before being disappointed.Sidewinder16 said:
Can't see them taking a DT with Montgomery, Gholston, Al, and Griffin there. Stacking up on receivers last year definitely worries me that they might implore a similar strategy this year. I just hope that was more of a coincidence with going by BPA than a strategy.I was being facetious. I'm in complete agreement with your rationale. The "surprise" pick I could see them making that would resemble, in a way, last year's load-up-at-a-position method would be to grab one of the top two DT's (Raji or ????), which would shock most people given Haynesworth's signing. I wouldn't mind that at all given how thin they are on the DL as a whole though.Personally, I don't see the first 2 picks happening like that. I said as much in Bloom's thread he had on his 1st round picks and his justification for the picks ended up being round 2 from last year. Basically, because the 'Skins went with 3 receivers with their first 3 picks last year he thinks they could very well go with 2 DEs this year. I think that's an apples to oranges comparison, though. Kelly and Thomas were targeted because they were players the team didn't have (i.e. big receivers). There are already speed-rushing DEs on the roster, so picking up 2 more with high picks just doesn't make sense. Last year they added complementary pieces to what they already had. I don't have any reason to believe something similar won't happen this year.Plus, the 'Skins have a history of going strictly BPA with a 1st round pick as high they have this year, and Bloom seems to be one of the few draft pundits that thinks Johnson is worth going that high. My gut tells me the 'Skins don't have that high of a ranking on him.T Bell said:Thanks a lot. I wanted to wait at least three more weeks before being disappointed.Sidewinder16 said:Sigmund Bloom has completed his complete draft mock and if the 'Skins actually end up with these picks I may:
Two speed-rushers with the top 2 picks would be atrocious, IMO. Following up with a RB before addressing OT or LB would also be disappointing.
I don't see how the Redskins can get Cutler given their salary cap situation. I think they restructured everyone they could restructure. Are there players left that they can cut and realize some salary cap savings? If Campbell is traded, it will certainly create a cap hit.
April Fool's 
Not that this matters, but there's no way they should give up their #1 for Cutler.
Agreed.And I don't know how much one newspaper guy speculating in Denver actually knows about the Redskins.
Speculation, same as we see with many free agents and writers not in the DC area.Has anyone seen any reports of the Redskins talking to Denver today? JLC had none yet.
My thoughts:1. It is just one guy in Denver claiming the Redskins are in the hunt.
Mike Florio of PFT was on The Junkies this morning. He said he believes the Redskins are interested. But Denver will want an NFL QB in return and Jason Campbell doesn't interest them. He thinks for Washington to get Cutler, they'll have to get Cleveland to send Quinn to Denver or maybe Arizona to send Leinart. Not sure if Cleveland or Arizona would want Cambell as part of a 3-way trade.
Come on. Not this again. I would do that trade over and over again. Our secondary has been fine since Champ left. Portis has become the best RB in Redskins history. Tatum Bell is long gone from the league. Denver is still looking for a RB, and their D is no better with Baily than it was without him. Can't we finally lay that debate to rest? At the very least cal it a "win-in?" You can even ignore the fact that Champ was not going to be back under the franchise tag. It was going to be a long ugly holdout until a deal was made. Just drop that one already.
The only guarantee is that it will be too much. For a savvy businessman, Snyder sure is a terrible negotiator.
:X - can one be all of these things at the same time? I never liked the trade. CBs are worth more than RBs. They are harder to find. And you need more of them. The Redskins gave up way too much for Portis. Do you think Denver is going to trade Cutler at a discount because they have to trade him? No way. If the Redskins are involved, they will get maximum value. Until I see Cutler and a 2nd for Campbell, I don't believe in discounts for players who must be traded.
Sir Fatness might be eating crow after all!
sorry to bump my own thread (well, not really
), but I'm seeing Cutler and Shanny reuniting in DC
Not just ESPN, but LaCanfora too.
That means there's multiple sources saying this is going on unlike the previous story. People at Redskin Park are conveniently unavailable for comment:
Washington Times
I thought the rumor of Skeletor joining the 'Skins next year was a bit far fetched, when it was reported earlier this morning. Now, I'm thinking that it very well could be a possibility. Maybe it's someone just trying to connect dots that aren't there, but it seems that rumors that are leaking out of Redskins Park keep appearing to be legit.sorry to bump my own thread (well, not really
I've read that a couple places today but I don't think it makes sense with what's going on today. If that was the plan, I don't think Vinnie and Dan would have had Zorn with them all day talking about trying to get Cutler/trade Campbell. They just would have done it without Zorn.If Zorn doesn't improve the team's record next year, that's another matter.sorry to bump my own thread (well, not really), but I'm seeing Cutler and Shanny reuniting in DC
I'm not worried about the first round pick, that's going to be gone one way or another (bungled pick, traded down for more bungled picks, whatever). What I'm worried about is giving up this AND next year's pick.The way i look at it, Cutler is better than anyoneThere's no way they get this done without giving up their first round pick.
is going to draft anyhow. He used up all his good juju on Horton last year.Bailey wasn't coming back. To argue that CBs are worth more than RBs is stupid in this case. Bailey wasn't going to be part of the Redskins and everyone knew it, the pick was thrown in for Portis because everyone in the NFL knew we couldn't get anything near market value for Champ.
Nice. If Vinny was not in draft meetings all day, maybe some good progress was made. The sad part is, now there will be no draft picks to use.
Bailey wasn't coming back? Everyone knew it? This is not the way I recall it, but feel free to provide evidence. The fact of the matter is that the Skins could have franchised him and he would have played for us. Look around the NFL. Players are always saying they're not playing for their team (and again, I do not recall Bailey ever doing this). Chad Johnson was as good as gone from Cincy, right? Disgruntled players get franchised and sign every year. It is very rare for a player to any miss time in a hold out these days. There's simply too much cabbage at stake.Bailey was no different. That's the fact.
Bailey said he was not going to play for Washington. That's a fact. The rumor was that he was having an affair with a WaPo writer/employee's wife. That employee told Bailey to leave DC or there would be a story.
