Mighty Mice
Footballguy
Agreed. Great value on Peters, Maclin, and McCoy. And as you point out, we fill needs at LT, RB, and WR. If they work out, time will tell. But filling the needs of the team at good value is a big thumbs up.
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I wasn't too excited about either of these picks when they were made. I would have preferred Pettigrew, but I'm not down on Maclin. I realize he was projected by most to be gone earlier. I'm just not sold that he brings that much to our offense that we don't already have.
McCoy was a pick that made sense. I fear he'll bust, but that's based mostly on his terrible performance at the combine/pro-days. He was not a reach though, and many believe he's much better then his measureables. I'll feel better about him if Philly adds another RB flyer later. Looking around, there were several players I would have been happy with, but none thqat I was particularly thriled about there in the second.
I'd call this draft a success to this point, and the whole off-seasons a BIG success. Philly remains a strong contender.
McCoy was a pick that made sense. I fear he'll bust, but that's based mostly on his terrible performance at the combine/pro-days. He was not a reach though, and many believe he's much better then his measureables. I'll feel better about him if Philly adds another RB flyer later. Looking around, there were several players I would have been happy with, but none thqat I was particularly thriled about there in the second.
I'd call this draft a success to this point, and the whole off-seasons a BIG success. Philly remains a strong contender.
Jeff Pasquino
Footballguy
Whoops. Maclin.
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Buddy Ball 2K3
Footballguy
For those of you who have not see the guy play, do not worry about combine crap. The guy can play football. I dont think people would call westbrook fast either but he obviously can play the game. Watch what McCoy can do on the field and dont worry too much about about what he does in shorts and a t-shirt.
Mighty Mice
Footballguy
Every TE sans Pettigrew looks to be available when the 3rd round kicks off. Still thinking the Eagles keep pumping in offensive picks? Is Cook the guy?
They could. We're returning 10 defensive starters and there isn't a single true need on the team outside of a backup TE. (One might argue we could use another DB)
Donny Loved Bowling
Footballguy
Could be... decent talent available at DE and CB, too.
Jason Wood
Zoo York
This played out really well. When Brown went to Indy, the only RB I could've seen the Eagles drafting that wouldn't have been a reach was McCoy, and they did so. They didn't take Pettigrew, who really isn't a great fit for our system, and now are faced with an absolute smorgasbord of legit offensive TEs to choose from in the 3rd round if they want.
Donny Loved Bowling
Footballguy
Is the Scheffler rumor confirmed dead? I know the Broncos said publicly that they wanted a 1st... but were they serious?
BuddyKnuckles
Footballguy
night and day from the start of free agency a couple months back. I am still concerned about the contract issues that will continue to haunt this FO. But, talent wise i am actually happy with where this team is at.
As for the picks, i'm not sold on maclin just yet, but i see his potential and fast is fast, so that's nice. McCoy is an absolute steal in the 2nd Rd IMO and i think he will be the one this draft is remembered for.
As for the picks, i'm not sold on maclin just yet, but i see his potential and fast is fast, so that's nice. McCoy is an absolute steal in the 2nd Rd IMO and i think he will be the one this draft is remembered for.
Jason Wood
Zoo York
I find myself in the same spot with Maclin that I was last year. I wanted DJax last year, but more because I thought he would help a major need in the return game in 2009 and hopefully move into a role on offense in a season or two. He obviously exceeded those expectations. This year, I see Maclin in the same vein. He should be a beast for us on special teams immediately 
but I really can't see him playing much on offense in 2009.
but I really can't see him playing much on offense in 2009.
Donny Loved Bowling
Footballguy
I could certainly see them cashing in one of those fifths to move up in the 3rd round and get the TE they want, or to get Michael Johnson.
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Might not have been as disapointed if it was Harvin they drafted.
Donny Loved Bowling
Footballguy
Very exciting day. Only thing left to do is lurk in this thread and wait for DH to check in. I'm hoping to hear more about the trade that almost was, and why it ultimately fell apart.
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phillyfan72
Footballguy
Any chance that the Scheffler deal happens now that Denver traded up to the last pick of the 2nd round to get a TE? Scheffler would not be a good fit in that offense and I would love to see him in Philly.
zadok
Footballguy
Day 1 reflections:
I love Maclin. Loved him all last year. He was my #2 WR in the draft. That said, I feel we already had him (and more) in DeSean Jackson. He is built far more powerfully than Jackson, of course, which is nice. But still a shifty shorter return specialist type. I would have liked a different type like Britt or Nicks instead. Passing on Donald Brown and Wells to take him really confused me. And were they really that convinced that the Lions were going to take Maclin at 20??? F'in Broncos!
I saw McCoy play many times, excellent college RB. I was never convinced he would be a good pro however. Way too skinny for one. His combine tests really sucked, there is a reason for that. Great in the open field, but my gut tells me he is just another Lorenzo Booker. I really hope I am wrong. I really wish they would have taken Shonn Greene - much more ready to carry the load if Westy goes down. I suppose they still can...
I am hoping for Cook/Coffman at TE and another RB tomorrow. Being totally objective however, it's tough not to get excited about this offense thusfar...and THANK YOU for no linemen!!
I love Maclin. Loved him all last year. He was my #2 WR in the draft. That said, I feel we already had him (and more) in DeSean Jackson. He is built far more powerfully than Jackson, of course, which is nice. But still a shifty shorter return specialist type. I would have liked a different type like Britt or Nicks instead. Passing on Donald Brown and Wells to take him really confused me. And were they really that convinced that the Lions were going to take Maclin at 20??? F'in Broncos!
I saw McCoy play many times, excellent college RB. I was never convinced he would be a good pro however. Way too skinny for one. His combine tests really sucked, there is a reason for that. Great in the open field, but my gut tells me he is just another Lorenzo Booker. I really hope I am wrong. I really wish they would have taken Shonn Greene - much more ready to carry the load if Westy goes down. I suppose they still can...
I am hoping for Cook/Coffman at TE and another RB tomorrow. Being totally objective however, it's tough not to get excited about this offense thusfar...and THANK YOU for no linemen!!
thriftyrocker
Footballguy
The guy they got (Quinn) is a total Daniel Graham clone. Only 12 career college receptions. If they are going to throw to the TE at all they have keep Scheff. I like Scheff but a lot of good prospects. Only thing is I can't see them going offense again in the 3rd and none of the good prospects will be left in the 5th.
That was something that crossed my mind right away when Denver took that guy.I'd much rather have Scheffler than any of the rookie TE's. He's only 26 and has only scratched the surface of his potential. You'd think Denver would part with him for a 3rd rounder since they took Quinn and Scheffler is a FA next year, assuming the labor deal gets worked out. A TE who averaged 16 YPC, with Jackson, Curtis, Maclin and Westy would be a bunch of big plays waiting to happen.
Jeff Pasquino
Footballguy
It's unclear, but I'm sure they'll talk about it.
Slider
Footballguy
Donny Loved Bowling
Footballguy
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Deranged Hermit
Not cool & Pissed
Re: Boldin and Edwards.
ARI and CLE were asking for too much, so the Eagles didn't trade. Plain and simple.
Re: Maclin
They wanted Ayres (he was the DE I was talking about the other day), Maclin and Moreno, in that order. Moreno was snatched early, than Ayres. The Eagles than traded up to get Maclin, who they didn't expect to even be there. If Maclin was gone, they would have traded up to grab Ayres since they wanted to leave the 1st with one of them.
Re: McCoy
Eagles kept trying to jump ahead of CLE to grab McCoy, but couldn't. Turned out they didn't have to.
ARI and CLE were asking for too much, so the Eagles didn't trade. Plain and simple.
Re: Maclin
They wanted Ayres (he was the DE I was talking about the other day), Maclin and Moreno, in that order. Moreno was snatched early, than Ayres. The Eagles than traded up to get Maclin, who they didn't expect to even be there. If Maclin was gone, they would have traded up to grab Ayres since they wanted to leave the 1st with one of them.
Re: McCoy
Eagles kept trying to jump ahead of CLE to grab McCoy, but couldn't. Turned out they didn't have to.
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Donny Loved Bowling
Footballguy
Thanks DH. You are a national treasure.(Maybe a little over the top...)
Not to be greedy, but any chance of a Scheffler deal happening since they are adding weapons?
http://www.denverpost.com/sportsheadlines/...8974?source=rssBroncos coach Josh McDaniels must have become antsy waiting out the end of the second round of the NFL draft.
Having already taken two defensive backs in Round Two, McDaniels traded with Pittsburgh to get back into the round and chose tight end Richard Quinn with the last pick of the day, No. 64 overall.
Denver sent both its third-round picks (Nos. 79 and 84) in this draft to get Quinn and the Steelers' fourth-round pick today.
Quinn, 6-feet-4 and 263 pounds, was known more for his blocking skills with the Tar Heels, catching only eight passes for 97 yards in 2008. In fact, Quinn caught only 12 passes in his college career.
"When the process started, I thought I just might be a free agent," Quinn said. "But then I went to the combine to show what I could do. Then I had several teams interested.
"But I was thinking third to seventh round. When my name was called in the second round, it was a shock."
Despite his modest receiving numbers, Quinn impressed the Broncos with his receiving ability.
"I'm very confident in everything I do, in my blocking and catching the ball," Quinn said.
This raised questions about the future of Broncos tight end Tony Scheffler.
simmonjm
Footballguy
Curious as to why you dont think Pettigrew was a great fit for the Eagles system. By all accounts he is the most complete TE in the draft and it wasnt close. I believe it was Kiper that said he was the best blocking TE in years and you already know about his recieving ability. I really think the Eagles missed the boat by not drafting Pettigrew. The Eagles offense really seems to function best when it has a reliable TE that can exploit the seam add in the fact that he can dramatically improve the running game with his blocking. Time will tell as a Cowboys fan who waited 5 hours for a trade down the only positive I can take from today is that the Eagles didnt get Moreno or Boldin. Tomorrow will be better though.
delusional
Footballguy
Top 10 player falling to 19. You take the best available player, especially one ranked like that, over need.
They gave up a 6th rounder for a guy who is going to be our returner and see the field a few times in the O. that has alot of upside.
I am happy.
They gave up a 6th rounder for a guy who is going to be our returner and see the field a few times in the O. that has alot of upside.
I am happy.
Deranged Hermit
Not cool & Pissed
Obviously I didn't get to talk to my buddy yesterday but he said (via text), if all the players they were looking at somehow dropped (Maclin, Ayres, Moreno), the would have taken Maclin. Apparently, he was number 10 on their board, Ayres 11, Moreno 12 (out of ALL the players in the draft). I'm kinda sceptical about that, as he said they were primarily looking at Ayres, but it's just possible that they didn't think there was any way Maclin would drop. I have a post on here probably dated a week ago that alluded to the fact that they were looking at a WR, but didn't think he'd drop. I'll see if I can find it.
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Deranged Hermit
Not cool & Pissed
I think TE is definately a possibility. I also heard that they might trade up for that OG who's dangling out there, Duke Robinson? (think that's his name)
Buddy Ball 2K3
Footballguy
Thats exactly who I was thinking we should trade up for. I would be thrilled if they can trade up and get either one of these guys.
Deranged Hermit
Not cool & Pissed
Told ya. :(This also reminds me to call out my buddy for saying Maclin was who they wanted. I was positive he said DE first, so I'm going to call BS on him.
*edit* Just to fill the rest in, Vontae Davis was the CB they were looking at in the first. McCoy and Donald Brown was the guys they were looking at in the second. The CB was Darius Butler
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Buddy Ball 2K3
Footballguy
I think its possible they really had no idea Mac would fall as far as he did. While I am not thrilled about the TYPE of wr he is, he clearly was the best value on the board at 19.Told ya. :(This also reminds me to call out my buddy for saying Maclin was who they wanted. I was positive he said DE first, so I'm going to call BS on him.
drdgreenlove
Footballguy
off topic bjut Andy Reid looked a little bit slimmer yesterday.. anyone else think so? DH- can you ask your buddy if the team is encouraging him to focus on his health more?
musicman_17046
Footballguy
I thought the same thing. Also you didn't hear a noticable gulp for oxygen at the end of each sentence.
Jason Wood
Zoo York
Props DH...you are most certainly the man.TE on the docket for Round 3 you think? If so, I would consider this an almost perfect draft [just based on needs, I'll leave the quality of the individual players selected for the future b/c we just really don't know until we know].
JaxBill
Footballguy
So are there any plans to look for a safety? If they're gonna trade up, I would think the Jags, who are looking for extra picks, would be a perfect trading partner. Plus, the Jags' needs of WR and DT don't match up with the best players out there.
Mighty Mice
Footballguy
Sitting about 4 picks out, I'd be happy with D.J. Moore, Rashad Johnson, Cook or Coffman here in the 3rd. Excellent options abound!
E-A-G-L-E-S
Footballguy
Trade with the Giants to drop in 3rd rd, andy certainly not shy in trading in the division
Mighty Mice
Footballguy
Moved from 3.21 to 3.27. Wonder what they got in return from the Giants.
E-A-G-L-E-S
Footballguy
They got a 5th rd pick, not sure if this year or next year, hopefully next year b/c they already had alot of 5ths this year
Donny Loved Bowling
Footballguy
Why move down so the Giants can grab a huge target in Barden? Do they really need an extra 5th rounder?
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Mighty Mice
Footballguy
Cook snaked by the Titans with Philly 2 picks back. Hope he was not the target, or that 5th means a little less. Good value on Moore and Johnson if they are looking at DBs.
Donny Loved Bowling
Footballguy
Cook to the Titans. 
thriftyrocker
Footballguy
I didn't want Cook, so I'm a little relieved. Like all the other TEs more.
vinwinephans
Footballguy
Looks he might have been - did they trade out again??
Mighty Mice
Footballguy
Have to think they either:
a) Wanted Cook. Titans trade in front of them (give a 2nd!) to snag him. Eagles immediately trade down again w/Seattle.
b) They have a few guys available, all of which they like, and are happy to move back.
What did they get from SEA to move down from 3.27?
a) Wanted Cook. Titans trade in front of them (give a 2nd!) to snag him. Eagles immediately trade down again w/Seattle.
b) They have a few guys available, all of which they like, and are happy to move back.
What did they get from SEA to move down from 3.27?
Donny Loved Bowling
Footballguy
I'm guessing Cook was indeed the target... perhaps they don't see much distinction between the remaining TEs, so they dropped back again.
