***Official 2009 Philadelphia Eagles Thread*** (2 Viewers)

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

If I was Denver and Philly called me and offered McNabb for Cutler I would hang up on them. IMO you are looking at at least McNabb, Kolb and 2nd.

Why would one of the worst defensive teams in the game want 2 QBs?

Why do you think the Eagles have two QBs?

 

[Bushead]

If I was Denver and Philly called me and offered McNabb for Cutler I would hang up on them. IMO you are looking at at least McNabb, Kolb and 2nd.

Why would one of the worst defensive teams in the game want 2 QBs?

Why do you think the Eagles have two QBs?

Denver would - i.e. they would would a def player rather than McNabb & Kolb

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

If I was Denver and Philly called me and offered McNabb for Cutler I would hang up on them. IMO you are looking at at least McNabb, Kolb and 2nd.

Why would one of the worst defensive teams in the game want 2 QBs?

Why do you think the Eagles have two QBs?

Denver would - i.e. they would would a def player rather than McNabb & Kolb

Thats what they would use their picks for. IMO you do not trade for a defensive player when 90% of your defense is horrid. They will have to build that defense through the draft over the next few years. McNabb is a nice bridge to appease the fans into what you hope is a starter in Kolb. That being said if I were the Broncos I would take a deal with quite a few draft picks before anything else.

 

[phillyphan07]

If I was Denver and Philly called me and offered McNabb for Cutler I would hang up on them. IMO you are looking at at least McNabb, Kolb and 2nd.

Why would one of the worst defensive teams in the game want 2 QBs?

Why do you think the Eagles have two QBs?

Well yes, Denver will eventually need to address QB, but they're not going to get good value at the QB position because no one trades QBs in their prime if they can help it. If they want an older vet like McNabb, they can sign a free agent. If they want a young guy to develop like Kolb they can look to the draft. If they want to trade a star player for a star player they're going to need to look at another position. Well what makes more sense for Denver?Give up Cutler for:McNabb, Kolb, a 2ndorJulius Peppers (one disgruntled player for another), sign Jeff Garcia, develop Simms and maybe draft a rookie.or 1st, 3rd, sign Garcia and address defense and QB in the draft.I'd have to think its either of the last two...

 

[phillyphan07]

Thats what they would use their picks for. IMO you do not trade for a defensive player when 90% of your defense is horrid. They will have to build that defense through the draft over the next few years. McNabb is a nice bridge to appease the fans into what you hope is a starter in Kolb.

You have to start building that defense somewhere. And lets face it, a lot of defense is about attitude. So maybe you go out and sign an emotional leader <cough> Brian Dawkins <cough> to kick the butts of you're underperforming players and then you draft/acquire some good young talent and you car turn that defense around in a hurry.But I'll agree with you, that I think they're most likely to go after draft picks. They might pick up a guy like Kellen Clemens + picks (2nd and 3/4 maybe) but I definately dont see them trying to get a veteran QB in exchange for Cutler

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

I think you guys are missing the point of my posts...

QUOTE (Buddy Ball 2K3 @ Apr 1 2009, 08:29 AM) *If I was Denver and Philly called me and offered McNabb for Cutler I would hang up on them. IMO you are looking at at least McNabb, Kolb and 2nd.

I was then told that this was ridiculous because I hate McNabb. As I said, if I were Denver I would not do the above trade. There is also no way I would trade Cutler straight up for Peppers. IMO you can not trade a young franchise QB for any positional player other than another QB or an absolute ton of picks.

 

[scratcher]

I think you guys are missing the point of my posts...

QUOTE (Buddy Ball 2K3 @ Apr 1 2009, 08:29 AM) *If I was Denver and Philly called me and offered McNabb for Cutler I would hang up on them. IMO you are looking at at least McNabb, Kolb and 2nd.

I was then told that this was ridiculous because I hate McNabb. As I said, if I were Denver I would not do the above trade. There is also no way I would trade Cutler straight up for Peppers. IMO you can not trade a young franchise QB for any positional player other than another QB or an absolute ton of picks.

What if your franchise QB doesn't want to play for your team and then your owner makes it public that he WILL be traded?

 

[Zoomanji]

slow offseason

 

[scratcher]

Eagles tried to get Pace.

Pace had an offer from the Philadelphia Eagles, but he decided to sign with the Bears on the day Cutler was acquired in a trade from the Broncos.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4037565

 

[phillyphan07]

But I'll agree with you, that I think they're most likely to go after draft picks. They might pick up a guy like Kellen Clemens + picks (2nd and 3/4 maybe) but I definately dont see them trying to get a veteran QB in exchange for Cutler

well.... um.... I was a little off....At least it ends the yearly McNabb to the Bears rumors....

 

[Zoomanji]

At least it ends the yearly McNabb to the Bears rumors....

Crap, the Vikings still need a QB

 

[BuddyKnuckles]

slow offseason

 

[GoBirds]

Real slow offseason.

On the bright side, the Skins didn't get Cutler and Plax is out of NY. I'm sure Jason Campbell's confidence should be through the roof after seeing how quick they tried to dump him.

 

[zadok]

Are you dudes serious about it being slow for the birds?

New starting OT signed, new starting S signed, new starting FB signed, Lito traded, Lewis traded, have at least had discussions about trading for Edwards/Boldin...

Would you be jumping off the Ben Franklin if it was actually "slow" like in GB or something?

I have been known to "miss the joke" at times however.

 

[None_More_Black]

Are you dudes serious about it being slow for the birds?New starting OT signed, new starting S signed, new starting FB signed, Lito traded, Lewis traded, have at least had discussions about trading for Edwards/Boldin...Would you be jumping off the Ben Franklin if it was actually "slow" like in GB or something?I have been known to "miss the joke" at times however.

Plus Tra Thomas and L.J Smith gone.

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

Are you dudes serious about it being slow for the birds?New starting OT signed, new starting S signed, new starting FB signed, Lito traded, Lewis traded, have at least had discussions about trading for Edwards/Boldin...Would you be jumping off the Ben Franklin if it was actually "slow" like in GB or something?I have been known to "miss the joke" at times however.

Plus Tra Thomas and L.J Smith gone.

Most Eagles fans believe they should get every player that they want. If they do not get these players the Eagles front office did not do a good job nor did they do anything in the off season that benefited the team.

 

[Zoomanji]

Are you dudes serious about it being slow for the birds?New starting OT signed, new starting S signed, new starting FB signed, Lito traded, Lewis traded, have at least had discussions about trading for Edwards/Boldin...Would you be jumping off the Ben Franklin if it was actually "slow" like in GB or something?I have been known to "miss the joke" at times however.

Very serious if people were talking about trading McNabb for Cutler.Like either team would be interested in that craziness

 

[PrimUomo]

I really think the Eagles are in a great position right now. I can understand some doubt concerning their offensive line but they are really set. Look:

LT Herremans will play here (even if he was a RT in college he is versatile enough to succeed here)

LG Cole (is developing nicely and with a full camp at the position will thrive)

C Jackson (he did badly without Shawn Andrews and Andrews HAS to play this season).

RG Shawn Andrews (the signing of his brother will solve his depression problems. Also, a mid-first rounder who doesn't play for two years on his rookie contract is bust-worthy. He will play this year.)

RT Stacy Andrews (I think that he will be ready for the season simply because a FO doesn't sign players to big contracts unless they can play or they have a contingency plan.)

In terms of other things:

A) The Weaver deal is a very good deal and really helps the entire offense out. Any OL inconsistency can be helped with his blocking, help the passing game by adding another weapon that can free Westbrook easier, convert those short yardage situation, et al. I think Eckel could be used as a blocking tight end or even block for Weaver when he is in at TB (which I can see definitely happening.

B) I haven't given up on Hunt yet. Hunt just hasn't learned how to not get jacked up every time he touches the ball (everytime I see him with the ball it is followed by him getting owned).

C) Concerning the draft:

--The 28th pick is probably going to get traded for a later first day pick in this draft and a future first day pick. That is what always happens.

--I think Percy Harvin could go at 20. He can play running back and wide receiver. Although he isn't big and physical, a physical tight end can be drafted later to help with red-zone difficulties.

--If the Eagles make any big moves (Edwards, Boldin) it will happen on draft day. Braylon Edwards is probably worth that 28th pick and maybe a couple of second day picks which is not a bad deal IMO.

--The eagles will probably consolidate at least two or three of their later picks into a better pick. I think they will get their OL pick there although I don't see him getting starts this year (barring injuries).

Just a comment on Dawkins. When I found out he got a five year deal the first thing that came to mind was that he could play a year or two at FS and once his athletism gets even worse could play at Linebacker. He doesn't have the size but it will get to the point that it is all he can do yet still be effective.

--

 

[scratcher]

B) I haven't given up on Hunt yet. Hunt just hasn't learned how to not get jacked up every time he touches the ball (everytime I see him with the ball it is followed by him getting owned).

Maybe you havent but the Eagles have. He was cut in October my friend...

 

[BuddyKnuckles]

Are you dudes serious about it being slow for the birds?New starting OT signed, new starting S signed, new starting FB signed, Lito traded, Lewis traded, have at least had discussions about trading for Edwards/Boldin...Would you be jumping off the Ben Franklin if it was actually "slow" like in GB or something?I have been known to "miss the joke" at times however.

Plus Tra Thomas and L.J Smith gone.

Most Eagles fans believe they should get every player that they want. If they do not get these players the Eagles front office did not do a good job nor did they do anything in the off season that benefited the team.

yeah, that's exactly what i meant. i personally think the birds should have traded for Anquan AND Braylon, resigned Dawk, Snatched up Plax, snagged D Ward, paid up for Fat Albert, and managed to get Gonzo too.I also think its just brilliant how to make your argument (talking to you, None-more-blick), you bring up one of the few teams who has made less noise than the birds this off season. The fact that you even dare to bring up the Lewis trade is laughable. Seriously, i scared my dog i laughed so hard when i read that. Really? a greg lewis trade is riveting off season fodder? C'mon dude even the most die-hards (a la Pasquino) dont even believe that one.I suppose it was only a matter of time before the front office apologists got their sh&t together and started in with the propaganda. Yes, the eagles have signed a cripple to play OT, replaced an all pro at safety with an unknown on a 1 year deal, traded away a starting CB for peanuts (and 1 year too late i might add), and brought in a FB. Ok, i'll give you that one...thank god they finally signed a FB.I'm still cautiously optimistic that they FO has something big planned for all those picks. And i am still withholding my ultimate opinion of this years squad. But to say that this offseason has been anything but slow and somewhat frustrating/disappointing is delusional at best, moronic at worst.PS - I'm back...and the pot is being stirred mo'fo's

 

[bighandsray]

Reports are that Eagles are working out Heyward-Bey WR from Maryland. This really surprises me. The last 10 years the Eagles have needed a #1 WR. Now they have a decent group here (Best since TO years). When I look at the potential players to be available in the range the Eagles will pick I would think they would be able to get their RB and a OT or TE. Just seems odd.

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

Are you dudes serious about it being slow for the birds?New starting OT signed, new starting S signed, new starting FB signed, Lito traded, Lewis traded, have at least had discussions about trading for Edwards/Boldin...Would you be jumping off the Ben Franklin if it was actually "slow" like in GB or something?I have been known to "miss the joke" at times however.

Plus Tra Thomas and L.J Smith gone.

Most Eagles fans believe they should get every player that they want. If they do not get these players the Eagles front office did not do a good job nor did they do anything in the off season that benefited the team.

PS - I'm back...and the pot is being stirred mo'fo's

Not sure anyone is gonna fall for this boring schtick any more. But good luck fishing.

 

[gonzobill5]

Are you dudes serious about it being slow for the birds?New starting OT signed, new starting S signed, new starting FB signed, Lito traded, Lewis traded, have at least had discussions about trading for Edwards/Boldin...Would you be jumping off the Ben Franklin if it was actually "slow" like in GB or something?I have been known to "miss the joke" at times however.

Plus Tra Thomas and L.J Smith gone.

Most Eagles fans believe they should get every player that they want. If they do not get these players the Eagles front office did not do a good job nor did they do anything in the off season that benefited the team.

yeah, that's exactly what i meant. i personally think the birds should have traded for Anquan AND Braylon, resigned Dawk, Snatched up Plax, snagged D Ward, paid up for Fat Albert, and managed to get Gonzo too.I also think its just brilliant how to make your argument (talking to you, None-more-blick), you bring up one of the few teams who has made less noise than the birds this off season. The fact that you even dare to bring up the Lewis trade is laughable. Seriously, i scared my dog i laughed so hard when i read that. Really? a greg lewis trade is riveting off season fodder? C'mon dude even the most die-hards (a la Pasquino) dont even believe that one.I suppose it was only a matter of time before the front office apologists got their sh&t together and started in with the propaganda. Yes, the eagles have signed a cripple to play OT, replaced an all pro at safety with an unknown on a 1 year deal, traded away a starting CB for peanuts (and 1 year too late i might add), and brought in a FB. Ok, i'll give you that one...thank god they finally signed a FB.I'm still cautiously optimistic that they FO has something big planned for all those picks. And i am still withholding my ultimate opinion of this years squad. But to say that this offseason has been anything but slow and somewhat frustrating/disappointing is delusional at best, moronic at worst.PS - I'm back...and the pot is being stirred mo'fo's

In your opinion, how would you rank the offseason moves by the eagles, giants and cowboys? You can throw the skins in there too if you want, though history probably tells us how that will turn out.

 

[Domination]

The part that bothers me is, that looking at their list of players in the draft that they are "interested" in. Not a single one looks to be a legit 1st rd pick.

 

[bighandsray]

The part that bothers me is, that looking at their list of players in the draft that they are "interested" in. Not a single one looks to be a legit 1st rd pick.

I know what you are saying, maybe they don't want to tip their hand.

 

[Jason Wood]

The part that bothers me is, that looking at their list of players in the draft that they are "interested" in. Not a single one looks to be a legit 1st rd pick.

Why are you assuming they are targeting them as first rounders? Good teams cover their bases. I'm sure there are a boatload of players that the Eagles [and many other teams with credible personnel departments] want to get better looks at 'just in case' the opportunity is there to move up or back and still grab them.

 

[Domination]

The part that bothers me is, that looking at their list of players in the draft that they are "interested" in. Not a single one looks to be a legit 1st rd pick.

Why are you assuming they are targeting them as first rounders? Good teams cover their bases. I'm sure there are a boatload of players that the Eagles [and many other teams with credible personnel departments] want to get better looks at 'just in case' the opportunity is there to move up or back and still grab them.

I couldn't agree more, and I think that you can have a better draft by getting value in later rounds. I also totally understand the fact that the Eagles never like to tip their hand. But when you draft at the end of the round, there is no telling who is going to be there. I would just have expected at least a few guys to be brought in that might fit the bill as a 1st rounder.Just one side note...The last time I can remember them bringing in only later round guys, was when they came out of the blue to move up in the draft.

 

[zadok]

The part that bothers me is, that looking at their list of players in the draft that they are "interested" in. Not a single one looks to be a legit 1st rd pick.

Why are you assuming they are targeting them as first rounders? Good teams cover their bases. I'm sure there are a boatload of players that the Eagles [and many other teams with credible personnel departments] want to get better looks at 'just in case' the opportunity is there to move up or back and still grab them.

I couldn't agree more, and I think that you can have a better draft by getting value in later rounds. I also totally understand the fact that the Eagles never like to tip their hand. But when you draft at the end of the round, there is no telling who is going to be there. I would just have expected at least a few guys to be brought in that might fit the bill as a 1st rounder.Just one side note...The last time I can remember them bringing in only later round guys, was when they came out of the blue to move up in the draft.

By "bringning in" do you mean visiting the NovaCare? If so, you may have just missed these:

Coming to Philly

OT Eugene Monroe - Virginia ... likely top 5 pick

OT Andre Smith - Alabama ... top 20 pick

TE Brandon Pettigrew - Oklahoma State ... 1st rounder

RB Donald Brown - UConn ... likely late 1st rounder

RB LeSean McCoy - Pitt ... 2nd rounder

DE Lawrence Sidbury - Richmond ...2nd rounder

DE Robert Ayers - Tennessee ... mid 1st to early 2nd

S Patrick Chung - Oregon ... 2nd, maybe 3rd rounder

S Rashad Johnson - Alabama ... 3rd rounder

There are many others they have had private workouts with, etc...

 

[Birdie048]

By "bringning in" do you mean visiting the NovaCare? If so, you may have just missed these:



Coming to Philly

OT Eugene Monroe - Virginia ... likely top 5 pick

OT Andre Smith - Alabama ... top 20 pick

TE Brandon Pettigrew - Oklahoma State ... 1st rounder

RB Donald Brown - UConn ... likely late 1st rounder

RB LeSean McCoy - Pitt ... 2nd rounder

DE Lawrence Sidbury - Richmond ...2nd rounder

DE Robert Ayers - Tennessee ... mid 1st to early 2nd

S Patrick Chung - Oregon ... 2nd, maybe 3rd rounder

S Rashad Johnson - Alabama ... 3rd rounder

There are many others they have had private workouts with, etc...

Some teams use Private Workouts and visits as a Red Herring to throw off others to their true intentions. Philly would play that game often and hide what they are doing to everybody except a select few. Bringing in Andre Smith of 'Bama is a good idea. He really hurt his stock and could really explain his situation making him a valuable pick later in the 1st. They have been known to make efforts for talented but immature OL and believe the risk is not outweighed by the reward.

There are plenty of options for them to make moves and nice picks. Value is something IMO they look at differently than the averatge NFL fan (and FF junkie).

 

[Slider]

Most years the Eagles don't even bring in who they sign.

 

[zadok]

Most years the Eagles don't even bring in who they sign.

Last year they brought in Desean Jackson and King Dunlap...

 

[Jason Wood]

Most years the Eagles don't even bring in who they sign.

They actually do quite often. They were all over Brian Westbrook, for example and many folks predicted we would draft him higher than others had him pegged [and we did], and on the bust side I recall when we had McCoy come in for a workout and everyone was shocked [he wasn't invited to the Combine] and that led to speculation he was on the rise, and we eventually wasted a 1st day pick on the stiff clown.

 

[JAA]

I really think the Eagles are in a great position right now. I can understand some doubt concerning their offensive line but they are really set. Look:LT Herremans will play here (even if he was a RT in college he is versatile enough to succeed here)LG Cole (is developing nicely and with a full camp at the position will thrive)C Jackson (he did badly without Shawn Andrews and Andrews HAS to play this season).RG Shawn Andrews (the signing of his brother will solve his depression problems. Also, a mid-first rounder who doesn't play for two years on his rookie contract is bust-worthy. He will play this year.)RT Stacy Andrews (I think that he will be ready for the season simply because a FO doesn't sign players to big contracts unless they can play or they have a contingency plan.)In terms of other things:A) The Weaver deal is a very good deal and really helps the entire offense out. Any OL inconsistency can be helped with his blocking, help the passing game by adding another weapon that can free Westbrook easier, convert those short yardage situation, et al. I think Eckel could be used as a blocking tight end or even block for Weaver when he is in at TB (which I can see definitely happening.B) I haven't given up on Hunt yet. Hunt just hasn't learned how to not get jacked up every time he touches the ball (everytime I see him with the ball it is followed by him getting owned).C) Concerning the draft:--The 28th pick is probably going to get traded for a later first day pick in this draft and a future first day pick. That is what always happens. --I think Percy Harvin could go at 20. He can play running back and wide receiver. Although he isn't big and physical, a physical tight end can be drafted later to help with red-zone difficulties.--If the Eagles make any big moves (Edwards, Boldin) it will happen on draft day. Braylon Edwards is probably worth that 28th pick and maybe a couple of second day picks which is not a bad deal IMO.--The eagles will probably consolidate at least two or three of their later picks into a better pick. I think they will get their OL pick there although I don't see him getting starts this year (barring injuries).Just a comment on Dawkins. When I found out he got a five year deal the first thing that came to mind was that he could play a year or two at FS and once his athletism gets even worse could play at Linebacker. He doesn't have the size but it will get to the point that it is all he can do yet still be effective.--

If not already mentioned, Shawn Andrews is not playing on his rookie contract. We locked him up 2nd year of his deal IIRC, for long term

 

[Domination]

The part that bothers me is, that looking at their list of players in the draft that they are "interested" in. Not a single one looks to be a legit 1st rd pick.

Why are you assuming they are targeting them as first rounders? Good teams cover their bases. I'm sure there are a boatload of players that the Eagles [and many other teams with credible personnel departments] want to get better looks at 'just in case' the opportunity is there to move up or back and still grab them.

I couldn't agree more, and I think that you can have a better draft by getting value in later rounds. I also totally understand the fact that the Eagles never like to tip their hand. But when you draft at the end of the round, there is no telling who is going to be there. I would just have expected at least a few guys to be brought in that might fit the bill as a 1st rounder.Just one side note...The last time I can remember them bringing in only later round guys, was when they came out of the blue to move up in the draft.

By "bringning in" do you mean visiting the NovaCare? If so, you may have just missed these:

Coming to Philly

OT Eugene Monroe - Virginia ... likely top 5 pick

OT Andre Smith - Alabama ... top 20 pick

TE Brandon Pettigrew - Oklahoma State ... 1st rounder

RB Donald Brown - UConn ... likely late 1st rounder

RB LeSean McCoy - Pitt ... 2nd rounder

DE Lawrence Sidbury - Richmond ...2nd rounder

DE Robert Ayers - Tennessee ... mid 1st to early 2nd

S Patrick Chung - Oregon ... 2nd, maybe 3rd rounder

S Rashad Johnson - Alabama ... 3rd rounder

There are many others they have had private workouts with, etc...

My appollogies, that is not the list that I saw a few days ago. That being said, I would LOVE to see the draft Chung.

 

[ThePassion]

No talk of the Chad J rumor???

"Michael Smith of ESPN reports on NFL Live, that chimes around the Philadelphia Front Office have eluded to him that there is interest in Disgunrtled Wide Out Chad Ocho Cinco of the Cincinnati Bengals..."

I am not going to get ahead of myself but all I can say is that I hope if he comes to the birds he changes his name back to Johnson b/c I cannot buy an Eagles jersey with "OCHO CINCO" on the back!

 

[bighandsray]

No talk of the Chad J rumor???"Michael Smith of ESPN reports on NFL Live, that chimes around the Philadelphia Front Office have eluded to him that there is interest in Disgunrtled Wide Out Chad Ocho Cinco of the Cincinnati Bengals..."I am not going to get ahead of myself but all I can say is that I hope if he comes to the birds he changes his name back to Johnson b/c I cannot buy an Eagles jersey with "OCHO CINCO" on the back!

I don't care what he calls himself, I'll take him. He would be an instant upgrade to the entire offense. That being said I don't think they will be willing to give up what the Bengals will be asking. I would guess the Bengals are looking for a #1. I would bet that the Eagles are more likely to try and get J Peters from Buffalo with the extra #1. Hypothetically speaking if you were the Eagles would you give up #21 for Peters and #28 for C Johnson? Draft L McCoy with #53. I would.

 

[jasvic]

If the quote I saw here is accurate, this is no rumor, but just him speculating. At least that's how I read it.

"I am hearing there is interest in Chad Johnson," Smith said. "Now there's been some back and forth as to whether or not he is officially on the market. I think everybody in Cincinnati has signed off on moving Chad Johnson except for owner Mike Brown. The Eagles could be in the picture. They have two first-round picks. They need a receiver."

 

[zadok]

No talk of the Chad J rumor???"Michael Smith of ESPN reports on NFL Live, that chimes around the Philadelphia Front Office have eluded to him that there is interest in Disgunrtled Wide Out Chad Ocho Cinco of the Cincinnati Bengals..."I am not going to get ahead of myself but all I can say is that I hope if he comes to the birds he changes his name back to Johnson b/c I cannot buy an Eagles jersey with "OCHO CINCO" on the back!

I don't care what he calls himself, I'll take him. He would be an instant upgrade to the entire offense. That being said I don't think they will be willing to give up what the Bengals will be asking. I would guess the Bengals are looking for a #1. I would bet that the Eagles are more likely to try and get J Peters from Buffalo with the extra #1. Hypothetically speaking if you were the Eagles would you give up #21 for Peters and #28 for C Johnson? Draft L McCoy with #53. I would.

If you had to get 1 RB, 1 OT and 1 WR with those picks, I would greatly prefer Moreno at 21, Peters for 28 and a rookie WR at 53...

 

[Jason Wood]

No talk of the Chad J rumor???"Michael Smith of ESPN reports on NFL Live, that chimes around the Philadelphia Front Office have eluded to him that there is interest in Disgunrtled Wide Out Chad Ocho Cinco of the Cincinnati Bengals..."I am not going to get ahead of myself but all I can say is that I hope if he comes to the birds he changes his name back to Johnson b/c I cannot buy an Eagles jersey with "OCHO CINCO" on the back!

I don't care what he calls himself, I'll take him. He would be an instant upgrade to the entire offense. That being said I don't think they will be willing to give up what the Bengals will be asking. I would guess the Bengals are looking for a #1. I would bet that the Eagles are more likely to try and get J Peters from Buffalo with the extra #1. Hypothetically speaking if you were the Eagles would you give up #21 for Peters and #28 for C Johnson? Draft L McCoy with #53. I would.

If you had to get 1 RB, 1 OT and 1 WR with those picks, I would greatly prefer Moreno at 21, Peters for 28 and a rookie WR at 53...

Thing is, several reports [including John Clayton] say that Peters wants and believes he's worth being the highest paid tackle in the league. That's not going to happen in PHI IMHO.

 

[Deranged Hermit]

No talk of the Chad J rumor???"Michael Smith of ESPN reports on NFL Live, that chimes around the Philadelphia Front Office have eluded to him that there is interest in Disgunrtled Wide Out Chad Ocho Cinco of the Cincinnati Bengals..."I am not going to get ahead of myself but all I can say is that I hope if he comes to the birds he changes his name back to Johnson b/c I cannot buy an Eagles jersey with "OCHO CINCO" on the back!

I don't care what he calls himself, I'll take him. He would be an instant upgrade to the entire offense. That being said I don't think they will be willing to give up what the Bengals will be asking. I would guess the Bengals are looking for a #1. I would bet that the Eagles are more likely to try and get J Peters from Buffalo with the extra #1. Hypothetically speaking if you were the Eagles would you give up #21 for Peters and #28 for C Johnson? Draft L McCoy with #53. I would.

If you had to get 1 RB, 1 OT and 1 WR with those picks, I would greatly prefer Moreno at 21, Peters for 28 and a rookie WR at 53...

Thing is, several reports [including John Clayton] say that Peters wants and believes he's worth being the highest paid tackle in the league. That's not going to happen in PHI IMHO.

What do you expect him to say? The Eagles have shown themselves to be willing to spend $$$ on OL when they could get a good one.As for the Johnson rumor, I've heard nothing about from my contact.

 

[CentralPA]

I would not want Chad Johnson at his age, i think he is on the decline. I'd rather go with Moreno, trade for Peters, and may be Jared Cook in the 2nd round.

 

[JAA]

No talk of the Chad J rumor???"Michael Smith of ESPN reports on NFL Live, that chimes around the Philadelphia Front Office have eluded to him that there is interest in Disgunrtled Wide Out Chad Ocho Cinco of the Cincinnati Bengals..."I am not going to get ahead of myself but all I can say is that I hope if he comes to the birds he changes his name back to Johnson b/c I cannot buy an Eagles jersey with "OCHO CINCO" on the back!

1. its too late for him to change his name back for jersey's. that was the issue from last season2. he would sell a lot of jerseys in Phi. Still the 3rd biggest jersey market IIRC

 

[JAA]

no way we give up a 1st for 85

 

[Jason Wood]

No talk of the Chad J rumor???"Michael Smith of ESPN reports on NFL Live, that chimes around the Philadelphia Front Office have eluded to him that there is interest in Disgunrtled Wide Out Chad Ocho Cinco of the Cincinnati Bengals..."I am not going to get ahead of myself but all I can say is that I hope if he comes to the birds he changes his name back to Johnson b/c I cannot buy an Eagles jersey with "OCHO CINCO" on the back!

I don't care what he calls himself, I'll take him. He would be an instant upgrade to the entire offense. That being said I don't think they will be willing to give up what the Bengals will be asking. I would guess the Bengals are looking for a #1. I would bet that the Eagles are more likely to try and get J Peters from Buffalo with the extra #1. Hypothetically speaking if you were the Eagles would you give up #21 for Peters and #28 for C Johnson? Draft L McCoy with #53. I would.

If you had to get 1 RB, 1 OT and 1 WR with those picks, I would greatly prefer Moreno at 21, Peters for 28 and a rookie WR at 53...

Thing is, several reports [including John Clayton] say that Peters wants and believes he's worth being the highest paid tackle in the league. That's not going to happen in PHI IMHO.

What do you expect him to say? The Eagles have shown themselves to be willing to spend $$$ on OL when they could get a good one.As for the Johnson rumor, I've heard nothing about from my contact.

Sure, but Peters is under contract for another 2 years and isn't afraid to make a lot of noise when he's unhappy. Just doesn't strike me as the kind of guy we're going to line up to break the bank for, particularly when Andy has always done a great job of keeping the O-line intact with solid depth. No reason we don't keep it a priority in the draft and move on.

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

Some interesting thoughts from G. Cobb. I really hope they draft Cook. I am keeping my fingers crossed.

Birds Should Get Two Tight Ends

Written by Garry Cobb

Friday, 10 April 2009

You can forget about Oklahoma State's Brandon Pettigrew, he won't be an Eagle but I'm feeling better every day about this year's group of TE's. I'd like to see the Birds take two of them so we can say good-bye to Matt Schobel.

The Eagles need more than one tight end who is a good blocker. Brent Celek is trying to improve his blocking but there's no telling how much success he's going to have.

You need more than one tight end who can block in order to run your goalline and short yardage formations. That's why I want to see the Eagles draft two tight ends and get rid of Schobel, who can't block or run.

Thankfully, this draft is deep at the tight end position.

Jared Cook of South Carolina and Cornelius Ingram of Florida are guys who Reid would love to bring in because they can run. They're both better pass receivers than they are blockers.

Cook ran the fastest forty-yard dash by a tight end at this year’s combine. Ingram is just as fast even though he's coming off of a knee surgery.

The problem with these guys is the fact that they can’t block or haven't proved that they can. They would be a good gets for the Birds but the Eagles are in desperate needs of some blocking tight ends.

The Birds must discern whether these guys have the mean streak needed to handle tough defensive ends and linebackers.

I would rather see them grab Shawn Nelson of Southern Mississippi. He’s not as fast but he's still a 4.6 guy. He’s big at 6’5” 247 and he can block. It seems that he likes to block which is vital to the Birds running game.

They can get him in the second round.

The guy which I want to see them grab is North Carolina tight end Richard Quinn . This guy is big and he can block. I'm told his stock is rising because there aren't too many tight ends in this group who can both block and catch the football.

Quinn is 6'4" and he weighs a healthy 264 pounds. He ran a 4.76 forty-yard dash, so he's not a burner.

He caught only seven passes in his senior season because the Tar Heels ran a three wide receiver set. They threw the ball almost exclusively to the wide out because they had some good ones.

He did a good job of running routes and catching the ball in his workouts, so I think he can do what the Birds need him to do in that area. I'd like to see the Birds grab him.

I think they can get him in the fourth or fifth round.

If the Birds have some tight ends who can block, they will have a better run threat on short yardage and goalline. That will make them more effective when they want to throw the ball in those situations.

 

[JetMaxx]

Some interesting thoughts from G. Cobb. I really hope they draft Cook. I am keeping my fingers crossed.

Birds Should Get Two Tight Ends

Written by Garry Cobb

Friday, 10 April 2009

You can forget about Oklahoma State's Brandon Pettigrew, he won't be an Eagle but I'm feeling better every day about this year's group of TE's. I'd like to see the Birds take two of them so we can say good-bye to Matt Schobel.

The Eagles need more than one tight end who is a good blocker. Brent Celek is trying to improve his blocking but there's no telling how much success he's going to have.

You need more than one tight end who can block in order to run your goalline and short yardage formations. That's why I want to see the Eagles draft two tight ends and get rid of Schobel, who can't block or run.

Thankfully, this draft is deep at the tight end position.

Jared Cook of South Carolina and Cornelius Ingram of Florida are guys who Reid would love to bring in because they can run. They're both better pass receivers than they are blockers.

Cook ran the fastest forty-yard dash by a tight end at this year’s combine. Ingram is just as fast even though he's coming off of a knee surgery.

The problem with these guys is the fact that they can’t block or haven't proved that they can. They would be a good gets for the Birds but the Eagles are in desperate needs of some blocking tight ends.

The Birds must discern whether these guys have the mean streak needed to handle tough defensive ends and linebackers.

I would rather see them grab Shawn Nelson of Southern Mississippi. He’s not as fast but he's still a 4.6 guy. He’s big at 6’5” 247 and he can block. It seems that he likes to block which is vital to the Birds running game.

They can get him in the second round.

The guy which I want to see them grab is North Carolina tight end Richard Quinn . This guy is big and he can block. I'm told his stock is rising because there aren't too many tight ends in this group who can both block and catch the football.

Quinn is 6'4" and he weighs a healthy 264 pounds. He ran a 4.76 forty-yard dash, so he's not a burner.

He caught only seven passes in his senior season because the Tar Heels ran a three wide receiver set. They threw the ball almost exclusively to the wide out because they had some good ones.

He did a good job of running routes and catching the ball in his workouts, so I think he can do what the Birds need him to do in that area. I'd like to see the Birds grab him.

I think they can get him in the fourth or fifth round.

If the Birds have some tight ends who can block, they will have a better run threat on short yardage and goalline. That will make them more effective when they want to throw the ball in those situations.

I completely agree with Cobb's assessment here. Schobel is a valueless stiff of a TE.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

No talk of the Chad J rumor???"Michael Smith of ESPN reports on NFL Live, that chimes around the Philadelphia Front Office have eluded to him that there is interest in Disgunrtled Wide Out Chad Ocho Cinco of the Cincinnati Bengals..."I am not going to get ahead of myself but all I can say is that I hope if he comes to the birds he changes his name back to Johnson b/c I cannot buy an Eagles jersey with "OCHO CINCO" on the back!

I don't care what he calls himself, I'll take him. He would be an instant upgrade to the entire offense. That being said I don't think they will be willing to give up what the Bengals will be asking. I would guess the Bengals are looking for a #1. I would bet that the Eagles are more likely to try and get J Peters from Buffalo with the extra #1. Hypothetically speaking if you were the Eagles would you give up #21 for Peters and #28 for C Johnson? Draft L McCoy with #53. I would.

If you had to get 1 RB, 1 OT and 1 WR with those picks, I would greatly prefer Moreno at 21, Peters for 28 and a rookie WR at 53...

Thing is, several reports [including John Clayton] say that Peters wants and believes he's worth being the highest paid tackle in the league. That's not going to happen in PHI IMHO.

What do you expect him to say? The Eagles have shown themselves to be willing to spend $$ on OL when they could get a good one.As for the Johnson rumor, I've heard nothing about from my contact.

One thing to point out is that Banner has said that there's no way they can possibly spend all the $ they have under the cap.Now with getting Peters, they could start to get there (and they have to get to 86% I think).

 

[Deranged Hermit]

Some interesting thoughts from G. Cobb. I really hope they draft Cook. I am keeping my fingers crossed.

Birds Should Get Two Tight Ends

Written by Garry Cobb

Friday, 10 April 2009

You can forget about Oklahoma State's Brandon Pettigrew, he won't be an Eagle but I'm feeling better every day about this year's group of TE's. I'd like to see the Birds take two of them so we can say good-bye to Matt Schobel.

The Eagles need more than one tight end who is a good blocker. Brent Celek is trying to improve his blocking but there's no telling how much success he's going to have.

You need more than one tight end who can block in order to run your goalline and short yardage formations. That's why I want to see the Eagles draft two tight ends and get rid of Schobel, who can't block or run.

Thankfully, this draft is deep at the tight end position.

Jared Cook of South Carolina and Cornelius Ingram of Florida are guys who Reid would love to bring in because they can run. They're both better pass receivers than they are blockers.

Cook ran the fastest forty-yard dash by a tight end at this year’s combine. Ingram is just as fast even though he's coming off of a knee surgery.

The problem with these guys is the fact that they can’t block or haven't proved that they can. They would be a good gets for the Birds but the Eagles are in desperate needs of some blocking tight ends.

The Birds must discern whether these guys have the mean streak needed to handle tough defensive ends and linebackers.

I would rather see them grab Shawn Nelson of Southern Mississippi. He’s not as fast but he's still a 4.6 guy. He’s big at 6’5” 247 and he can block. It seems that he likes to block which is vital to the Birds running game.

They can get him in the second round.

The guy which I want to see them grab is North Carolina tight end Richard Quinn . This guy is big and he can block. I'm told his stock is rising because there aren't too many tight ends in this group who can both block and catch the football.

Quinn is 6'4" and he weighs a healthy 264 pounds. He ran a 4.76 forty-yard dash, so he's not a burner.

He caught only seven passes in his senior season because the Tar Heels ran a three wide receiver set. They threw the ball almost exclusively to the wide out because they had some good ones.

He did a good job of running routes and catching the ball in his workouts, so I think he can do what the Birds need him to do in that area. I'd like to see the Birds grab him.

I think they can get him in the fourth or fifth round.

If the Birds have some tight ends who can block, they will have a better run threat on short yardage and goalline. That will make them more effective when they want to throw the ball in those situations.

I completely agree with Cobb's assessment here. Schobel is a valueless stiff of a TE.

JetMaxx will remember this because I told him they were looking at Cook when he PM'd me about who the Eagles were looking at to fill the gap at TE. Apparently they like Cook a lot.

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

Some interesting thoughts from G. Cobb. I really hope they draft Cook. I am keeping my fingers crossed.

Birds Should Get Two Tight Ends

Written by Garry Cobb

Friday, 10 April 2009

You can forget about Oklahoma State's Brandon Pettigrew, he won't be an Eagle but I'm feeling better every day about this year's group of TE's. I'd like to see the Birds take two of them so we can say good-bye to Matt Schobel.

The Eagles need more than one tight end who is a good blocker. Brent Celek is trying to improve his blocking but there's no telling how much success he's going to have.

You need more than one tight end who can block in order to run your goalline and short yardage formations. That's why I want to see the Eagles draft two tight ends and get rid of Schobel, who can't block or run.

Thankfully, this draft is deep at the tight end position.

Jared Cook of South Carolina and Cornelius Ingram of Florida are guys who Reid would love to bring in because they can run. They're both better pass receivers than they are blockers.

Cook ran the fastest forty-yard dash by a tight end at this year’s combine. Ingram is just as fast even though he's coming off of a knee surgery.

The problem with these guys is the fact that they can’t block or haven't proved that they can. They would be a good gets for the Birds but the Eagles are in desperate needs of some blocking tight ends.

The Birds must discern whether these guys have the mean streak needed to handle tough defensive ends and linebackers.

I would rather see them grab Shawn Nelson of Southern Mississippi. He’s not as fast but he's still a 4.6 guy. He’s big at 6’5” 247 and he can block. It seems that he likes to block which is vital to the Birds running game.

They can get him in the second round.

The guy which I want to see them grab is North Carolina tight end Richard Quinn . This guy is big and he can block. I'm told his stock is rising because there aren't too many tight ends in this group who can both block and catch the football.

Quinn is 6'4" and he weighs a healthy 264 pounds. He ran a 4.76 forty-yard dash, so he's not a burner.

He caught only seven passes in his senior season because the Tar Heels ran a three wide receiver set. They threw the ball almost exclusively to the wide out because they had some good ones.

He did a good job of running routes and catching the ball in his workouts, so I think he can do what the Birds need him to do in that area. I'd like to see the Birds grab him.

I think they can get him in the fourth or fifth round.

If the Birds have some tight ends who can block, they will have a better run threat on short yardage and goalline. That will make them more effective when they want to throw the ball in those situations.

I completely agree with Cobb's assessment here. Schobel is a valueless stiff of a TE.

JetMaxx will remember this because I told him they were looking at Cook when he PM'd me about who the Eagles were looking at to fill the gap at TE. Apparently they like Cook a lot.

Sweet because I called that a couple of months ago in our first mock. I hope I am right and they get him

 

[Deranged Hermit]

Some interesting thoughts from G. Cobb. I really hope they draft Cook. I am keeping my fingers crossed.

Birds Should Get Two Tight Ends

Written by Garry Cobb

Friday, 10 April 2009

You can forget about Oklahoma State's Brandon Pettigrew, he won't be an Eagle but I'm feeling better every day about this year's group of TE's. I'd like to see the Birds take two of them so we can say good-bye to Matt Schobel.

The Eagles need more than one tight end who is a good blocker. Brent Celek is trying to improve his blocking but there's no telling how much success he's going to have.

You need more than one tight end who can block in order to run your goalline and short yardage formations. That's why I want to see the Eagles draft two tight ends and get rid of Schobel, who can't block or run.

Thankfully, this draft is deep at the tight end position.

Jared Cook of South Carolina and Cornelius Ingram of Florida are guys who Reid would love to bring in because they can run. They're both better pass receivers than they are blockers.

Cook ran the fastest forty-yard dash by a tight end at this year’s combine. Ingram is just as fast even though he's coming off of a knee surgery.

The problem with these guys is the fact that they can’t block or haven't proved that they can. They would be a good gets for the Birds but the Eagles are in desperate needs of some blocking tight ends.

The Birds must discern whether these guys have the mean streak needed to handle tough defensive ends and linebackers.

I would rather see them grab Shawn Nelson of Southern Mississippi. He’s not as fast but he's still a 4.6 guy. He’s big at 6’5” 247 and he can block. It seems that he likes to block which is vital to the Birds running game.

They can get him in the second round.

The guy which I want to see them grab is North Carolina tight end Richard Quinn . This guy is big and he can block. I'm told his stock is rising because there aren't too many tight ends in this group who can both block and catch the football.

Quinn is 6'4" and he weighs a healthy 264 pounds. He ran a 4.76 forty-yard dash, so he's not a burner.

He caught only seven passes in his senior season because the Tar Heels ran a three wide receiver set. They threw the ball almost exclusively to the wide out because they had some good ones.

He did a good job of running routes and catching the ball in his workouts, so I think he can do what the Birds need him to do in that area. I'd like to see the Birds grab him.

I think they can get him in the fourth or fifth round.

If the Birds have some tight ends who can block, they will have a better run threat on short yardage and goalline. That will make them more effective when they want to throw the ball in those situations.

I completely agree with Cobb's assessment here. Schobel is a valueless stiff of a TE.

JetMaxx will remember this because I told him they were looking at Cook when he PM'd me about who the Eagles were looking at to fill the gap at TE. Apparently they like Cook a lot.

Sweet because I called that a couple of months ago in our first mock. I hope I am right and they get him

Yeah, JetMaxx was the Eagles rep for this one. He ended up with Vontae Davis, Peters (via trade) and one of the 'big 3' RB's with his first three Picks. I'd be estatic if that really happened.