***Official 2009 Philadelphia Eagles Thread*** (1 Viewer)

[roarlions]

I'm not an ESPN Insider, but it appears they have a headline saying that Baltimore is out of the running for Boldin and he may be headed to the Eagles. Can anyone who is an Insider post the info.?

 

[scratcher]

950 is reporting deal in place for boldin, 1st and 3rd, we just need to work out a contract with mr anquan, anyone else here that? Baltimore is out of the running

Jigga wha?

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

The Cardinals are willing to entertain trade offers for Boldin, their Pro Bowl wide receiver, and team president Joe Banner said the Eagles could still be in the hunt.It would likely take at least a first-round pick to acquire Boldin, and the Eagles also own the 21st pick."There are teams that start the year with only one first-round draft pick and they've traded them," Banner told the Philadelphia Inquirer. "If we made another trade with a first-round draft pick, we'd just be in the same position as them. I think we'll do whatever we evaluate to be the best move with any of the available players."

 

[Ted Lange as your Bartender]

I'm not an ESPN Insider, but it appears they have a headline saying that Baltimore is out of the running for Boldin and he may be headed to the Eagles. Can anyone who is an Insider post the info.?

The link title "Boldin to Philly now?" is VERY misleading based on the info given in the article. I don't want to post it verbatim for the same reason I wouldn't post FBG subscriber material on the boards. But to paraphrase: According to the Baltimore Sun, Ravens balking at Boldin's 1 and 3 price tag. Trying to figure out if McGahee can be worked into a deal in lieu of the picks, but the 2010 uncapped year creates salary cap problems for the Ravens if McGahee is traded this year. So it's unlikely Ravens trade for Boldin, presumably leaving Eagles, Jets and Giants still in the hunt.

ETA - Here's the Baltimore Sun article about Boldin. Link

 

[Chunky Soup]

950 is reporting deal in place for boldin, 1st and 3rd, we just need to work out a contract with mr anquan, anyone else here that? Baltimore is out of the running

Jigga wha?

Please be true.

 

[Ted Lange as your Bartender]

Here's a blog entry from the Arizona Republic about the issues with a Boldin to Ravens trade using players vs draft picks

Trading players vs. draft picksI've read today where the Ravens might be willing to part with players such as tight end Todd Heap and running back Willis McGahee in return for Cardinals receiver Anquan Boldin. But from a salary cap point of view, that deal makes little sense for the Ravens, especially if McGahee is involved.In a trade, the unprorated portion of a player's signing bonus is accelerated on his old team's salary cap. All of that money must be accounted for in 2009. (In previous years, it could be spread over two years. Not this year.)In McGahee's case, that means an acceleration of about $11.5 million, according to the salary figures I have. McGahee is signed through 2013 and is due to make $620,000 in salary this year. Subtract that and the Ravens are still looking at a cap hit of $11 million to trade McGahee. And that doesn't count what it might take to sign Boldin to an extension.Heap is signed through 2011 and has about $4.8 million in bonuses that would accelerate.Boldin has $3 million of bonuses that would accelerate to this year if the Cardinals trade him. With his salary of $2.75 million, Boldin's cap figure is $4.75 million in 2009. You could say the Cardinals would save $1.75 million by trading him. Or you could say they are taking a $3 million hit for a player no longer on the roster.

 

[roarlions]

The link title "Boldin to Philly now?" is VERY misleading based on the info given in the article. I don't want to post it verbatim for the same reason I wouldn't post FBG subscriber material on the boards. But to paraphrase:

According to the Baltimore Sun, Ravens balking at Boldin's 1 and 3 price tag. Trying to figure out if McGahee can be worked into a deal in lieu of the picks, but the 2010 uncapped year creates salary cap problems for the Ravens if McGahee is traded this year. So it's unlikely Ravens trade for Boldin, presumably leaving Eagles, Jets and Giants still in the hunt.

ETA - Here's the Baltimore Sun article about Boldin. Link

Thanks.

 

[Domination]

I hate to be the black cloud, as I hope that this is true. But why would Arizona trade Boldin to Philly, who is one of their chief competitors for the conference? I would think that if the trade would go down, we would end up having to overpay to get him. Just my humble opinion.

 

[phillyphan07]

I hate to be the black cloud, as I hope that this is true. But why would Arizona trade Boldin to Philly, who is one of their chief competitors for the conference? I would think that if the trade would go down, we would end up having to overpay to get him. Just my humble opinion.

I'd tend to agree. I'd imagine theres a list of about 10 NFC teams that are either already considered "chief competitors" or that would be with Boldin that AZ just can't deal with.

 

[GroveDiesel]

950 is reporting deal in place for boldin, 1st and 3rd, we just need to work out a contract with mr anquan, anyone else here that? Baltimore is out of the running

Some guy calling in saying that the spouse of one of his wife's co-workers is a coach for the Eagles and that he told his wife and his wife told this guy's wife that this deal in place is not something I would call solid information. It certainly wasn't ESPN 950 reporting it. In fact, Jody and Harry promptly laughed and scoffed at it.

 

[JAA]

original link

Use the link above to get the video clips. Below is a simple cross post. Not sure if this is already in the thread or a Peters thread, but I thought this was a good read from a Bills fan.

Lets evaluate Peters

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So Peters has been the center of controversy since his holdout to start last off-season. Now a lot of arguing is being done over how his play was last year. Opinions range from him being terrible and needs to be traded for anything we can get, to he is still a top left tackle in the league who simply got off to a slow start. I though I would take a very in depth look at the sacks given up, as that seems to be the primary argument. I have gone through and looked at every sack the Bills gave up over the course of this season. Links are to any sack that Peters could possibly be blamed for. These range from plays where Peters got beat right from the snap, to plays where Peters may technically ‘given up the sack’ but it is clearly on another player. I even threw in every play with the sacker coming off the left edge, even if Peters is engaged with another defender and a back or tight end missed. These are also in chronological order so we can see when Peters showed improvement. I would also like to note that the numbers won’t match the video titles after sack 7. I accidentally made a video of one sack twice, and I accidentally made a video of Chambers getting beat.

Here are the ones that are cut and dry, not his fault, not his man. If anyone wants to dispute these, I’ll put them up. In my opinion you would have to be a Peters hater to put any of these on him.

Sack 5 Yes, that is Peters’ man who gets the eventual sack.

Sack 7

Sack 11

Sack 14

Sack 18

Here are the ones where Peters was beat, plain and simple.

Sack 1

Sack 3

Sack 4

Sack 15

Sack 17

These ones are debatable, however I would not count against Peters.

Sack 2 Collapsed pocket, Peters had the defender where he should.

Sack 8 I've debated this one on here countless times. If you look closely this is a screen play where the back is covered. Peters peels off his man to block for the screen.

Sack 9 Peters blocked for a substantial amount of time.

Sack 12 Peters blocked for a substantial amount of time.

Sack 13 Dockery got beat, not Peters

Sack 16 Peters blocked for a substantial amount of time.

Sack 19 Peters has defender right where he should but Losman was flushed and forced to run right into him.

Sack 20 This one has been debated probably more than any other sack on these boards. Jim Miller who played QB under Jauron said if the FS blitzed he is free, I believe him. Even before that, I did not have this sack on Peters.

This is the only debatable pick I put on Peters. It is partly on Peters, but not solely on him. Peters would not give up the edge and Dockery did not help inside at all. I’ll call this one a half sack against him.

Sack 10

When finished, I've concluded that I would charge Peters with 5.5 sacks on the season. I do think it is important to not that 3 of those came in the first few weeks of him playing. We all know he got off to a slow start. After that slow start, he did very well though. In sorting through this, I watched not only every sack, but just about every defensive highlight by our opponents. In doing so, I also came to the conclusion that Dockery was terrible. I feel he really hurt the play of Peters. Take Sack 4 for example. Peters got beat, but Dockery basically turns his back to Long on the snap. Peters jumps outside to take away the edge as if he has inside help. Clearly some sort of miscomunication there. That is very similar to what happened in Sack 10. Because of how often it happens I am actually tempted to put both those sacks on Dockery. Since Peters did get beat I won't go quite that far, but the arguement could be made.

I guess there is nothing left to do but debate the findings.

 

[dpee]

#### im out, lets all jump ship because peters isnt perfect.

granted he may not be worth 10 mil a year, but he still the potential to be one of the best left tackles in all of football. The eagles fo pulled off this move because they believe he has this immense talent. obviously they knew he gave up 11.5 sacks last season, before peters figured out, and before this bills fan.

all I have to say is that people who are critical of the jason peters move are simply just being that, critical for the sake of itself. and this bills fan is clearly just sour, i would be too if i got one of the best young tackles in football fleeced from me for a 1st and 4th.

 

[GroveDiesel]

original link

Use the link above to get the video clips. Below is a simple cross post. Not sure if this is already in the thread or a Peters thread, but I thought this was a good read from a Bills fan.

Lets evaluate Peters

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So Peters has been the center of controversy since his holdout to start last off-season. Now a lot of arguing is being done over how his play was last year. Opinions range from him being terrible and needs to be traded for anything we can get, to he is still a top left tackle in the league who simply got off to a slow start. I though I would take a very in depth look at the sacks given up, as that seems to be the primary argument. I have gone through and looked at every sack the Bills gave up over the course of this season. Links are to any sack that Peters could possibly be blamed for. These range from plays where Peters got beat right from the snap, to plays where Peters may technically ‘given up the sack’ but it is clearly on another player. I even threw in every play with the sacker coming off the left edge, even if Peters is engaged with another defender and a back or tight end missed. These are also in chronological order so we can see when Peters showed improvement. I would also like to note that the numbers won’t match the video titles after sack 7. I accidentally made a video of one sack twice, and I accidentally made a video of Chambers getting beat.

Here are the ones that are cut and dry, not his fault, not his man. If anyone wants to dispute these, I’ll put them up. In my opinion you would have to be a Peters hater to put any of these on him.

Sack 5 Yes, that is Peters’ man who gets the eventual sack.

Sack 7

Sack 11

Sack 14

Sack 18

Here are the ones where Peters was beat, plain and simple.

Sack 1

Sack 3

Sack 4

Sack 15

Sack 17

These ones are debatable, however I would not count against Peters.

Sack 2 Collapsed pocket, Peters had the defender where he should.

Sack 8 I've debated this one on here countless times. If you look closely this is a screen play where the back is covered. Peters peels off his man to block for the screen.

Sack 9 Peters blocked for a substantial amount of time.

Sack 12 Peters blocked for a substantial amount of time.

Sack 13 Dockery got beat, not Peters

Sack 16 Peters blocked for a substantial amount of time.

Sack 19 Peters has defender right where he should but Losman was flushed and forced to run right into him.

Sack 20 This one has been debated probably more than any other sack on these boards. Jim Miller who played QB under Jauron said if the FS blitzed he is free, I believe him. Even before that, I did not have this sack on Peters.

This is the only debatable pick I put on Peters. It is partly on Peters, but not solely on him. Peters would not give up the edge and Dockery did not help inside at all. I’ll call this one a half sack against him.

Sack 10

When finished, I've concluded that I would charge Peters with 5.5 sacks on the season. I do think it is important to not that 3 of those came in the first few weeks of him playing. We all know he got off to a slow start. After that slow start, he did very well though. In sorting through this, I watched not only every sack, but just about every defensive highlight by our opponents. In doing so, I also came to the conclusion that Dockery was terrible. I feel he really hurt the play of Peters. Take Sack 4 for example. Peters got beat, but Dockery basically turns his back to Long on the snap. Peters jumps outside to take away the edge as if he has inside help. Clearly some sort of miscomunication there. That is very similar to what happened in Sack 10. Because of how often it happens I am actually tempted to put both those sacks on Dockery. Since Peters did get beat I won't go quite that far, but the arguement could be made.

I guess there is nothing left to do but debate the findings.

Just checked these out and found them interesting. I guess part of it depends on when you feel a guy should be charged with a sack. IMO, "blocked for a substantial amount of time" doesn't excuse a sack. I would hope that a guy that is supposed to be one of the top LTs in the game plays to the whistle and is able to control his man no matter how long it takes. After watching those, on every one of the "blocked for a substantial amount of time" sacks, Peters initially engages the defender for a second or two but then the defender blows by him. I'd still charge him with all 3 of those.

The FS blitz (Sack 20) is absolutely Peters's fault. He had nobody else to block on that play and had the FS directly in front of him. He just totally whiffed. I'd give him at least 9.5, probably 10.

ETA: On just about every sack that he gave up, it was either because he was too slow or because he quit blocking early. Perhaps with a new contract and not missing training camp, those won't be issues for him.

 

[GroveDiesel]

#### im out, lets all jump ship because peters isnt perfect. granted he may not be worth 10 mil a year, but he still the potential to be one of the best left tackles in all of football. The eagles fo pulled off this move because they believe he has this immense talent. obviously they knew he gave up 11.5 sacks last season, before peters figured out, and before this bills fan. all I have to say is that people who are critical of the jason peters move are simply just being that, critical for the sake of itself. and this bills fan is clearly just sour, i would be too if i got one of the best young tackles in football fleeced from me for a 1st and 4th.

I don't think you read the whole thing.

 

[Ted Lange as your Bartender]

#### im out, lets all jump ship because peters isnt perfect.

granted he may not be worth 10 mil a year, but he still the potential to be one of the best left tackles in all of football. The eagles fo pulled off this move because they believe he has this immense talent. obviously they knew he gave up 11.5 sacks last season, before peters figured out, and before this bills fan.

all I have to say is that people who are critical of the jason peters move are simply just being that, critical for the sake of itself. and this bills fan is clearly just sour, i would be too if i got one of the best young tackles in football fleeced from me for a 1st and 4th.

Um, try reading the post. The Bills fan was defending Peters, saying that about 5.5 sacks were truly on Peters (3 of which occurred very early in the season coming off his holdout), and not the 11.5 stat that's been bandied about everywhere. It was a really cool thread with a lot of back and forth debate.The main thing I got out of it was that apparently Dockery was a horrible LG last year and left Peters hanging out to dry quite a bit. Dockery may have also been a big culprit in the Bills' lack of rushing success to the left side, although that doesn't absolve Peters by any stretch.

 

[dpee]

#### im out, lets all jump ship because peters isnt perfect. granted he may not be worth 10 mil a year, but he still the potential to be one of the best left tackles in all of football. The eagles fo pulled off this move because they believe he has this immense talent. obviously they knew he gave up 11.5 sacks last season, before peters figured out, and before this bills fan. all I have to say is that people who are critical of the jason peters move are simply just being that, critical for the sake of itself. and this bills fan is clearly just sour, i would be too if i got one of the best young tackles in football fleeced from me for a 1st and 4th.

I don't think you read the whole thing.

no i did not my apologies for the ignorace then on my behalf, im just so sick of all of these complaints about peters hes going to be dominant.

 

[GoBirds]

#### im out, lets all jump ship because peters isnt perfect. granted he may not be worth 10 mil a year, but he still the potential to be one of the best left tackles in all of football. The eagles fo pulled off this move because they believe he has this immense talent. obviously they knew he gave up 11.5 sacks last season, before peters figured out, and before this bills fan. all I have to say is that people who are critical of the jason peters move are simply just being that, critical for the sake of itself. and this bills fan is clearly just sour, i would be too if i got one of the best young tackles in football fleeced from me for a 1st and 4th.

I don't think you read the whole thing.

You just can't get over the Bills getting hosed on that trade huh? At least you have TO

 

[travdogg]

The main thing I got out of it was that apparently Dockery was a horrible LG last year and left Peters hanging out to dry quite a bit. Dockery may have also been a big culprit in the Bills' lack of rushing success to the left side, although that doesn't absolve Peters by any stretch.

I think this off season has proven that to be the case.If you have a problem on one side and one guy is worth a 1st rounder and the other guy gets cut, its clear who the real problem was.

 

[travdogg]

I hate to be the black cloud, as I hope that this is true. But why would Arizona trade Boldin to Philly, who is one of their chief competitors for the conference? I would think that if the trade would go down, we would end up having to overpay to get him. Just my humble opinion.

That logic has never made any sense to me. Why should Arizona care where they trade him? They should take the best deal regardless of who offers it, or hang on to Boldin. If you are afraid of trading a guy to a certain team, then you likely aren't beating that team regardless.Its about making your team better, worrying about what other teams are doing is pointless at best and stupid at worst.

I seriously doubt the Cards really care what team who goes to, all that matters is what they get for him.

I'd love to see Boldin on Philly, but as others have said, it really seems like more of a luxury than a need.

 

[GroveDiesel]

#### im out, lets all jump ship because peters isnt perfect. granted he may not be worth 10 mil a year, but he still the potential to be one of the best left tackles in all of football. The eagles fo pulled off this move because they believe he has this immense talent. obviously they knew he gave up 11.5 sacks last season, before peters figured out, and before this bills fan. all I have to say is that people who are critical of the jason peters move are simply just being that, critical for the sake of itself. and this bills fan is clearly just sour, i would be too if i got one of the best young tackles in football fleeced from me for a 1st and 4th.

I don't think you read the whole thing.

You just can't get over the Bills getting hosed on that trade huh? At least you have TO

No, I'm not happy with the trade still. But me ripping Peters isn't anything new. Even during 2007 when he had a great year I said that he was being overated and continued to rip him all last season. So let's not act like I'm bad mouthing Peters just because he got traded.

 

[Jason Wood]

Heard this on Sirius the AM, and it is a very good question.

The Eagles are on the clock at Pick 21. All of these scenarios are available:

1. Moreno is there.

2. Pettigrew is there.

3. The Cardinals are on the phone asking for the pick (and nothing else) for Boldin.

Which do you choose, and why?

What's the rest of your draft plan (assuming the Eagles ultimately need both a RB and a TE)?

Moreno - best all around back in the draft, immediate change of pace AND backup for Westy, impact player for years to come, fills a bigger need. Take Cook or Ramses Barden in the 2nd and/or Coffman in the 3rd.

Why would you want us to take a player two or three rounds earlier than we need to?

 

[drdgreenlove]

#### im out, lets all jump ship because peters isnt perfect. granted he may not be worth 10 mil a year, but he still the potential to be one of the best left tackles in all of football. The eagles fo pulled off this move because they believe he has this immense talent. obviously they knew he gave up 11.5 sacks last season, before peters figured out, and before this bills fan. all I have to say is that people who are critical of the jason peters move are simply just being that, critical for the sake of itself. and this bills fan is clearly just sour, i would be too if i got one of the best young tackles in football fleeced from me for a 1st and 4th.

I don't think you read the whole thing.

You just can't get over the Bills getting hosed on that trade huh? At least you have TO

No, I'm not happy with the trade still. But me ripping Peters isn't anything new. Even during 2007 when he had a great year I said that he was being overated and continued to rip him all last season. So let's not act like I'm bad mouthing Peters just because he got traded.

thanks for your Peters Analysis. That is over now. Please return to the Bills 2009 thread

 

[CiscoKid]

Heard this on Sirius the AM, and it is a very good question.The Eagles are on the clock at Pick 21. All of these scenarios are available:1. Moreno is there.2. Pettigrew is there.3. The Cardinals are on the phone asking for the pick (and nothing else) for Boldin.Which do you choose, and why?What's the rest of your draft plan (assuming the Eagles ultimately need both a RB and a TE)?

I have to agree with a few of the other posts - getting a quality RB in this draft is a priority, particularly with Buck gone now. That being said, though, if we have an opportunity to get Boldin for the 21, I think it's a no brainer - take Boldin, and then take a RB with the 2 or 3, and maybe a second one late depending on the value and who's available. I think there are some good RB's in this draft, so I still think we'd be able to get a good one even if we traded for Boldin. Unfortunately, I don't think we'll get Boldin, and if we can't I'd also be happy to see the Eagles draft Moreno.

 

[zadok]

Heard this on Sirius the AM, and it is a very good question.

The Eagles are on the clock at Pick 21. All of these scenarios are available:

1. Moreno is there.

2. Pettigrew is there.

3. The Cardinals are on the phone asking for the pick (and nothing else) for Boldin.

Which do you choose, and why?

What's the rest of your draft plan (assuming the Eagles ultimately need both a RB and a TE)?

Moreno - best all around back in the draft, immediate change of pace AND backup for Westy, impact player for years to come, fills a bigger need. Take Cook or Ramses Barden in the 2nd and/or Coffman in the 3rd.

Why would you want us to take a player two or three rounds earlier than we need to?

Because Barden ain't lasting until the 4th or 5th. I will be shocked if he lasts to the 3rd.

 

[Jason Wood]

Heard this on Sirius the AM, and it is a very good question.

The Eagles are on the clock at Pick 21. All of these scenarios are available:

1. Moreno is there.

2. Pettigrew is there.

3. The Cardinals are on the phone asking for the pick (and nothing else) for Boldin.

Which do you choose, and why?

What's the rest of your draft plan (assuming the Eagles ultimately need both a RB and a TE)?

Moreno - best all around back in the draft, immediate change of pace AND backup for Westy, impact player for years to come, fills a bigger need. Take Cook or Ramses Barden in the 2nd and/or Coffman in the 3rd.

Why would you want us to take a player two or three rounds earlier than we need to?

Because Barden ain't lasting until the 4th or 5th. I will be shocked if he lasts to the 3rd.

How many WRs do you expect to get drafted in the first two rounds? 20?

 

[JAA]

Heard this on Sirius the AM, and it is a very good question.

The Eagles are on the clock at Pick 21. All of these scenarios are available:

1. Moreno is there.

2. Pettigrew is there.

3. The Cardinals are on the phone asking for the pick (and nothing else) for Boldin.

Which do you choose, and why?

What's the rest of your draft plan (assuming the Eagles ultimately need both a RB and a TE)?

I have to agree with a few of the other posts - getting a quality RB in this draft is a priority, particularly with Buck gone now. That being said, though, if we have an opportunity to get Boldin for the 21, I think it's a no brainer - take Boldin, and then take a RB with the 2 or 3, and maybe a second one late depending on the value and who's available. I think there are some good RB's in this draft, so I still think we'd be able to get a good one even if we traded for Boldin. Unfortunately, I don't think we'll get Boldin, and if we can't I'd also be happy to see the Eagles draft Moreno.

Agreed. I think the issue I have with taking a RB in the 1st is im not sure any of this years RBs gade out to 1st round talent. I think Moreno, McCoy and Brown are all good backs, but I dont think they compare to prospects like Steven Jackson (2004 / Round: 1 / Pick: 24), Kevin Jones (NFL Draft: 2004 / Round: 1 / Pick: 30), etc. I find it hard to believe we couldnt get a back comparable to the 3 of them in the 2nd.In the end though, I think Phi wants about 3 Day 1 picks. With their current picks...

Pick Player Pos Ht Wt College

Round 1, Pick 21 (21)

Round 2, Pick 21 (53)

Round 3, Pick 21 (85)

Round 5, Pick 5 (141) (From Browns)

Round 5, Pick 17 (153) (From Jets)

Round 5, Pick 21 (157)

Round 5, Pick 23 (159) (From Patriots)

Round 6, Pick 21 (194)

Round 6, Pick 22 (195) (From Vikings)

Round 7, Pick 21 (230)

... i dont know how they are going to do that.I believe Phi wants day 1: RB, S (Chung), and probably a CB or C (Mack). If they trade the pick for Boldin, they have to turn 1 Day 1 pick into 3. I dont see that happening.

That said, I still think we push for Boldin, but trading down to turn 2 Day 1 picks into 3 makes the most sense.

I still do have an itching for Peppers. Wouldnt that be a draft day blow up?

RE my previous post regarding getting contract done this season before new CBA/uncapped year ... maybe we try to trade next years 1st so we dont have to pay more money next season? Anyone remember Phi trading a future 1st? Ever?

 

[zadok]

Heard this on Sirius the AM, and it is a very good question.

The Eagles are on the clock at Pick 21. All of these scenarios are available:

1. Moreno is there.

2. Pettigrew is there.

3. The Cardinals are on the phone asking for the pick (and nothing else) for Boldin.

Which do you choose, and why?

What's the rest of your draft plan (assuming the Eagles ultimately need both a RB and a TE)?

Moreno - best all around back in the draft, immediate change of pace AND backup for Westy, impact player for years to come, fills a bigger need. Take Cook or Ramses Barden in the 2nd and/or Coffman in the 3rd.

Why would you want us to take a player two or three rounds earlier than we need to?

Because Barden ain't lasting until the 4th or 5th. I will be shocked if he lasts to the 3rd.

How many WRs do you expect to get drafted in the first two rounds? 20?

I expect Barden to be around the 7th or 8th WR taken. I feel someone will be enamored with him and take him in the 2nd.

 

[Jason Wood]

I expect Barden to be around the 7th or 8th WR taken. I feel someone will be enamored with him and take him in the 2nd.

Given his size and the fact a lot of teams saw him workout at the USC Pro Day, you could be right in so much that it only takes one scout to fall in love with him. But I'm asking you why you would want US to take him that early, because he's not the 7th or 8th best prospect at his position in this draft.

 

[JAA]

Nice read

NFL Draft: Andy Reid's Draft History

It seems as though every Eagles fan wants Andy Reid to take Knowshon Moreno or Chris Wells with one of his two first-round picks.

However, I've never mocked either running back to Philadelphia at Nos. 21 or 28. I've had Eagle fans ask me about it, and to that I always say that Reid just doesn't value the running back position.

So, what does Reid value? Well, he's gone defensive line three out of the last four years. And contrary to popular belief, he tends pursue wide receivers, though his track record is pretty abysmal (excluding DeSean Jackson: Na Brown, Todd Pinkston, Gari Scott, Freddie Mitchell, Freddie Milons, Billy McMullen, Reggie Brown, Jason Avant, Jeremy Bloom.)

Most of all, Reid takes pleasure in pissing off the fanbase.

Here is the positional breakdown of all the selections Reid has made in the first three rounds since taking over in Philly in 1999.

Position Round 1 Round 2 Round 3

QB 1 1 0

RB 0 0 3

WR 1 3 1

TE 0 1 0

OT 0 1 0

G 1 1 1

C 0 0 0

DE 1 1 2

DT 3 1 0

OLB 0 3 1

ILB 0 0 1

CB 1 1 0

S 0 1 1

K/P 0 0 0

Reid has never drafted a running back higher than the third round. He let Duce Staley go when he was 28. He refused to pay Brian Westbrook what he was worth until he realized that he didn't really have a choice. Reid is unpredictable, so you never know, but I'll be shocked if he pulls the trigger on either Wells or Moreno in the first round.

So what will Big Red do? If he keeps the two picks, you can count on one being a defensive end. The other will probably be an offensive lineman. He'll use a second-round selection on a linebacker or wideout. He'll finally address the running back position in the third.

However, there's not much of a chance that Philly will keep the two selections. I drew up a potential trade between the Eagles and Texans in my 2009 NFL Mock Draft that really makes sense for both parties.

 

[zadok]

I expect Barden to be around the 7th or 8th WR taken. I feel someone will be enamored with him and take him in the 2nd.

Given his size and the fact a lot of teams saw him workout at the USC Pro Day, you could be right in so much that it only takes one scout to fall in love with him. But I'm asking you why you would want US to take him that early, because he's not the 7th or 8th best prospect at his position in this draft.

Well, he's number 9 on my personal list. And if you talk about the proverbial "big WR", he's my #3...(#4 if you count Crab)

 

[Jason Wood]

I expect Barden to be around the 7th or 8th WR taken. I feel someone will be enamored with him and take him in the 2nd.

Given his size and the fact a lot of teams saw him workout at the USC Pro Day, you could be right in so much that it only takes one scout to fall in love with him. But I'm asking you why you would want US to take him that early, because he's not the 7th or 8th best prospect at his position in this draft.

Well, he's number 9 on my personal list. And if you talk about the proverbial "big WR", he's my #3...(#4 if you count Crab)

Scouting is way too inexact a science to say you're wrong or I'm right. Personally, I wouldn't touch Barden until the 4th round as a developmental player. He's huge, but he's raw and was a man amongst boys in I-AA. Give me a guy who's smallish but runs great routes, knows how to gain separation, and uses his hands to go out and get the ball over a huge dude who could potentially evolve into something unique.

 

[phillyphan07]

Nice read

NFL Draft: Andy Reid's Draft History

It seems as though every Eagles fan wants Andy Reid to take Knowshon Moreno or Chris Wells with one of his two first-round picks.

However, I've never mocked either running back to Philadelphia at Nos. 21 or 28. I've had Eagle fans ask me about it, and to that I always say that Reid just doesn't value the running back position.

So, what does Reid value? Well, he's gone defensive line three out of the last four years. And contrary to popular belief, he tends pursue wide receivers, though his track record is pretty abysmal (excluding DeSean Jackson: Na Brown, Todd Pinkston, Gari Scott, Freddie Mitchell, Freddie Milons, Billy McMullen, Reggie Brown, Jason Avant, Jeremy Bloom.)

Most of all, Reid takes pleasure in pissing off the fanbase.

Here is the positional breakdown of all the selections Reid has made in the first three rounds since taking over in Philly in 1999.

Position Round 1 Round 2 Round 3

QB 1 1 0

RB 0 0 3

WR 1 3 1

TE 0 1 0

OT 0 1 0

G 1 1 1

C 0 0 0

DE 1 1 2

DT 3 1 0

OLB 0 3 1

ILB 0 0 1

CB 1 1 0

S 0 1 1

K/P 0 0 0

Reid has never drafted a running back higher than the third round. He let Duce Staley go when he was 28. He refused to pay Brian Westbrook what he was worth until he realized that he didn't really have a choice. Reid is unpredictable, so you never know, but I'll be shocked if he pulls the trigger on either Wells or Moreno in the first round.

So what will Big Red do? If he keeps the two picks, you can count on one being a defensive end. The other will probably be an offensive lineman. He'll use a second-round selection on a linebacker or wideout. He'll finally address the running back position in the third.

However, there's not much of a chance that Philly will keep the two selections. I drew up a potential trade between the Eagles and Texans in my 2009 NFL Mock Draft that really makes sense for both parties.

I don't see Reid taking a RB in the 1st either but the logic is a little flawed here. He never needed to take an RB because he inherited Staley and was able to take "chances" on two RBs with lower stock: Buck had some (well founded) injury concerns and Westbrook coming out of 1-AA. In the meantime he still had a dependable option in Staley.Two things I would agree with in regards to Reid's draft tendencies is that he likes to draft positions before they become needs and he loves to take linemen.

I think at this point the RB position is stretched as thin as Reid will let it get and he may have missed his chance to take a 3rd or 4th rd RB as Westbrook's eventual replacement.

But even if there is a developing need at RB I still think Reid will take a lineman or trade down and then go for a RB in rd2.

 

[Deranged Hermit]

Well, so far in the 'Shark Pool Mock Draft' the Eagles have acquired Maclin and Patrick Chung. No RB yet, but I think the masses would be pleased thus far......

 

[JetMaxx]

Two players with Pro Bowl potential. Well done.

Sorry about the English pick, it was somewhat rushed and once I knew he was available I made him the selection. I hadn't realized that Ayers was still on the board and could have picked him instead. Question, if English and Maclin were there, who would you have picked?

 

[zadok]

Here is my offical wish list for #21 on Saturday. Assuming there is no trade up, Everette Brown is gone and Crabtree is long gone:

1. Knowshon Moreno

2. Donald Brown

3. Trade down/for a vet

I'm just not comfortable taking Larry English, Alex Mack, Pettigrew, etc. that early.

Carry on.

ETA: even if Everette Brown is there, I still want Moreno.

 

[CentralPA]

Well, so far in the 'Shark Pool Mock Draft' the Eagles have acquired Maclin and Patrick Chung. No RB yet, but I think the masses would be pleased thus far......

You've done good so far DH. I would've liked to see a RB but I think your are addressing it in the 3rd round. I don't remember but if Rashard Jennings or Shonn Greene are there take one of them, perferably Jennings.

 

[Deranged Hermit]

Well, so far in the 'Shark Pool Mock Draft' the Eagles have acquired Maclin and Patrick Chung. No RB yet, but I think the masses would be pleased thus far......

You've done good so far DH. I would've liked to see a RB but I think your are addressing it in the 3rd round. I don't remember but if Rashard Jennings or Shonn Greene are there take one of them, perferably Jennings.

Both are available still.Also, Jetmaxx, I would have taken Maclin either way. I think he's elite talent.

 

[stevegamer]

I agree you've done well in the mock. I was pretty sure I knew who your selections would be before you made them, based on posts in thsi thread, and the way the board fell.

 

[stp-d]

Nice read

NFL Draft: Andy Reid's Draft History

It seems as though every Eagles fan wants Andy Reid to take Knowshon Moreno or Chris Wells with one of his two first-round picks.

However, I've never mocked either running back to Philadelphia at Nos. 21 or 28. I've had Eagle fans ask me about it, and to that I always say that Reid just doesn't value the running back position.

So, what does Reid value? Well, he's gone defensive line three out of the last four years. And contrary to popular belief, he tends pursue wide receivers, though his track record is pretty abysmal (excluding DeSean Jackson: Na Brown, Todd Pinkston, Gari Scott, Freddie Mitchell, Freddie Milons, Billy McMullen, Reggie Brown, Jason Avant, Jeremy Bloom.)

Most of all, Reid takes pleasure in pissing off the fanbase.

Here is the positional breakdown of all the selections Reid has made in the first three rounds since taking over in Philly in 1999.

Position Round 1 Round 2 Round 3

QB 1 1 0

RB 0 0 3

WR 1 3 1

TE 0 1 0

OT 0 1 0

G 1 1 1

C 0 0 0

DE 1 1 2

DT 3 1 0

OLB 0 3 1

ILB 0 0 1

CB 1 1 0

S 0 1 1

K/P 0 0 0

Reid has never drafted a running back higher than the third round. He let Duce Staley go when he was 28. He refused to pay Brian Westbrook what he was worth until he realized that he didn't really have a choice. Reid is unpredictable, so you never know, but I'll be shocked if he pulls the trigger on either Wells or Moreno in the first round.

So what will Big Red do? If he keeps the two picks, you can count on one being a defensive end. The other will probably be an offensive lineman. He'll use a second-round selection on a linebacker or wideout. He'll finally address the running back position in the third.

However, there's not much of a chance that Philly will keep the two selections. I drew up a potential trade between the Eagles and Texans in my 2009 NFL Mock Draft that really makes sense for both parties.

I don't see Reid taking a RB in the 1st either but the logic is a little flawed here. He never needed to take an RB because he inherited Staley and was able to take "chances" on two RBs with lower stock: Buck had some (well founded) injury concerns and Westbrook coming out of 1-AA. In the meantime he still had a dependable option in Staley.Two things I would agree with in regards to Reid's draft tendencies is that he likes to draft positions before they become needs and he loves to take linemen.

I think at this point the RB position is stretched as thin as Reid will let it get and he may have missed his chance to take a 3rd or 4th rd RB as Westbrook's eventual replacement.

But even if there is a developing need at RB I still think Reid will take a lineman or trade down and then go for a RB in rd2.

Alot of good info in these posts, based on similar thoughts, I predict, which is no stretch, that there is a 90% chance that Andy Reid will shock us all and make a move no one has yet to predict, however, here are my thoughts on what will happen for the 1st 3 roundsick #21

DL - Everette Brown (if he falls i don't see them passing him up)

TE - Brandon Pettigrew (this is my wish pick, as we need a 50/50 TE on the other side of Celek)

Trade down for DB - Vontae Davis (this isn't about Sheldon Brown, this is more about Jack & Hansen and young depth at DB)

Pick #53

Trade up for RB - Lesean McCoy (if McCoy is available around the mid 40's, expect a trade up)

DL - Michael Johnson/Jarron Gilbert/Lawrence Sidbury (If Pettigrew is the 1st rd pick, be sure a DL is coming in the 2nd rd)

CB - Sean Smith/DJ Moore (again, not about Sheldon, more about young depth at DB)

Longshot: OL - Max Unger (Jamaal Jackson's future replacement?)

Pick #85

WR - Juanqui Iglesias/Mohamed Massaquoi

CB - Sherrod Martin/DeAngelo Smith/Bradley Fletcher/Donald Washington/

LB - Marcus Freeman/???

In summary, given the organizations past history, I would be floored if the Eagles actually selected Wells, Moreno, Heyward-Bey, Harvin or any other big-name skill player in the 1st rd. Pettigrew makes alot of sense, but Reid always surprises. I would love to see McCoy in the 2nd rd... Anyone else have predictions for the 1st 3 rounds?

 

[phillyfan72]

From Rotoworld:

The Eagles "might have nosed ahead" of the Falcons in the Tony Gonzalez trade talks, according to SI.com's Don Banks.

Philly is "thought" to be offering a third-round pick, but KC still wants a second-rounder. Banks says the Chiefs may fear upsetting their fan base by lowering their demands. Gonzo may not fit new coach Todd Haley's offense, however, and the fans will be just fine if the rookie helps KC win games.

Maybe the Eagles have turned their attention from Boldin to Gonzales? Getting Gonzalez would let them focus on another area early in the draft. Any insight on this rumor DH?

 

[JAA]

Still makes a lot of sense that if Britton is available when the Eagles pick, they ship that pick to move down in 09 and up in 10 or for Boldin.

 

[JetMaxx]

From Rotoworld:The Eagles "might have nosed ahead" of the Falcons in the Tony Gonzalez trade talks, according to SI.com's Don Banks.Philly is "thought" to be offering a third-round pick, but KC still wants a second-rounder. Banks says the Chiefs may fear upsetting their fan base by lowering their demands. Gonzo may not fit new coach Todd Haley's offense, however, and the fans will be just fine if the rookie helps KC win games. Maybe the Eagles have turned their attention from Boldin to Gonzales? Getting Gonzalez would let them focus on another area early in the draft. Any insight on this rumor DH?

In this draft, I'd MUCH rather have Gonzo for a 3rd than Bolding for 1st+. Not even close.

 

[stevegamer]

From Rotoworld:The Eagles "might have nosed ahead" of the Falcons in the Tony Gonzalez trade talks, according to SI.com's Don Banks.Philly is "thought" to be offering a third-round pick, but KC still wants a second-rounder. Banks says the Chiefs may fear upsetting their fan base by lowering their demands. Gonzo may not fit new coach Todd Haley's offense, however, and the fans will be just fine if the rookie helps KC win games. Maybe the Eagles have turned their attention from Boldin to Gonzales? Getting Gonzalez would let them focus on another area early in the draft. Any insight on this rumor DH?

In this draft, I'd MUCH rather have Gonzo for a 3rd than Bolding for 1st+. Not even close.

Gonzo could've been acquired last year for a 3rd & LJ Smith - I think. If that's what he goes for now, Eagles fans should be giddy.

 

[Chunky Soup]

From Rotoworld:The Eagles "might have nosed ahead" of the Falcons in the Tony Gonzalez trade talks, according to SI.com's Don Banks.Philly is "thought" to be offering a third-round pick, but KC still wants a second-rounder. Banks says the Chiefs may fear upsetting their fan base by lowering their demands. Gonzo may not fit new coach Todd Haley's offense, however, and the fans will be just fine if the rookie helps KC win games. Maybe the Eagles have turned their attention from Boldin to Gonzales? Getting Gonzalez would let them focus on another area early in the draft. Any insight on this rumor DH?

In this draft, I'd MUCH rather have Gonzo for a 3rd than Bolding for 1st+. Not even close.

Gonzo could've been acquired last year for a 3rd & LJ Smith - I think. If that's what he goes for now, Eagles fans should be giddy.

Can you explain this one to me? You pay extra to get the guy before the deadline -- see Roy Williams. So why would the Eagles be happy if they're going to pay the same higher rate? If I had to guess, he was going for more than that last season and about that much now.Aside from this, I'd still rather have Boldin. He's younger and at this point in their careers he is at least a tier above as a difference maker. Not to mention, Gonzo talked about retirement a couple of years ago IIRC. That doesn't give me the best feeling in the world.Of course, I'd welcome Gonzo to the team . I just have a lot more love for Boldin.

 

[Snotbubbles]

From Rotoworld:The Eagles "might have nosed ahead" of the Falcons in the Tony Gonzalez trade talks, according to SI.com's Don Banks.Philly is "thought" to be offering a third-round pick, but KC still wants a second-rounder. Banks says the Chiefs may fear upsetting their fan base by lowering their demands. Gonzo may not fit new coach Todd Haley's offense, however, and the fans will be just fine if the rookie helps KC win games. Maybe the Eagles have turned their attention from Boldin to Gonzales? Getting Gonzalez would let them focus on another area early in the draft. Any insight on this rumor DH?

In this draft, I'd MUCH rather have Gonzo for a 3rd than Bolding for 1st+. Not even close.

Gonzo could've been acquired last year for a 3rd & LJ Smith - I think. If that's what he goes for now, Eagles fans should be giddy.

Can you explain this one to me? You pay extra to get the guy before the deadline -- see Roy Williams. So why would the Eagles be happy if they're going to pay the same higher rate? If I had to guess, he was going for more than that last season and about that much now.Aside from this, I'd still rather have Boldin. He's younger and at this point in their careers he is at least a tier above as a difference maker. Not to mention, Gonzo talked about retirement a couple of years ago IIRC. That doesn't give me the best feeling in the world.Of course, I'd welcome Gonzo to the team . I just have a lot more love for Boldin.

I believe he said something along the lines of, "I want to play 2 more years, if that." Who knows, maybe a change of scenery would get him to play 3 or 4 more.

 

[travdogg]

Really would like to see Gonzo on board, much more than Boldin.

Gonzo and keeping the #21 pick>>>>Boldin.

I'm a little biased because I believe Gonzo is the best TE in NFL history(at least as a receiver) but I think he helps the red zone issues more than Boldin does and is available for a fraction of the price, both compensation wise and salary wise.

I wouldn't worry too much about his age, a lot of people say things like, "well show me a TE that put up good numbers at Gonzo's age" well the list is basically Shannon Sharpe and nobody else, but I truly believe Gonzo is the Jerry Rice of the TE position(the normal rules don't apply) Gonzo looked as good as ever last season, hell he had 1,000 yards and 10 scores playing with Thigpen, Croyle and Huard, and none of those guys are even close to McNabb.

Gonzo up the seam, with DeSean deep and Westy out of the backfield and Curtis and Avant picking up the scraps...yes please.

 

[stevegamer]

From Rotoworld:The Eagles "might have nosed ahead" of the Falcons in the Tony Gonzalez trade talks, according to SI.com's Don Banks.Philly is "thought" to be offering a third-round pick, but KC still wants a second-rounder. Banks says the Chiefs may fear upsetting their fan base by lowering their demands. Gonzo may not fit new coach Todd Haley's offense, however, and the fans will be just fine if the rookie helps KC win games. Maybe the Eagles have turned their attention from Boldin to Gonzales? Getting Gonzalez would let them focus on another area early in the draft. Any insight on this rumor DH?

In this draft, I'd MUCH rather have Gonzo for a 3rd than Bolding for 1st+. Not even close.

Gonzo could've been acquired last year for a 3rd & LJ Smith - I think. If that's what he goes for now, Eagles fans should be giddy.

Can you explain this one to me? You pay extra to get the guy before the deadline -- see Roy Williams. So why would the Eagles be happy if they're going to pay the same higher rate? If I had to guess, he was going for more than that last season and about that much now.Aside from this, I'd still rather have Boldin. He's younger and at this point in their careers he is at least a tier above as a difference maker. Not to mention, Gonzo talked about retirement a couple of years ago IIRC. That doesn't give me the best feeling in the world.Of course, I'd welcome Gonzo to the team :X . I just have a lot more love for Boldin.

Sorry, I was unclear - I meant if we can get him for a 3rd now - great, sicne they wanted more last year. Honestly, I would've done the 3rd & the lack of LJ Smith last year in a heartbeat - Smith made almost as much as Gonzo.

 

[swarm06]

From Bob Brookover's column in the Inky today - grain of salt warning

An Eagles source shot down an SI.com report yesterday that said the Eagles were in pursuit of Gonzalez, 33, a 10-time Pro Bowler and likely Hall of Famer."Not in it," the source said.

 

[CentralPA]

From Bob Brookover's column in the Inky today - grain of salt warning

An Eagles source shot down an SI.com report yesterday that said the Eagles were in pursuit of Gonzalez, 33, a 10-time Pro Bowler and likely Hall of Famer."Not in it," the source said.

Smoke and Mirrors kids, smoke and mirrors.

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

Guess I am the only one that has absolutely no interest in trading a 4th or better for a 33 year old TE for this team.