None_More_Black
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I'm pretty sure we are not getting Edwards for Reggie Brown and a 4th round pick.
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Bizkiteer
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I'd be shocked if Andrews was dealt, since he is young and a great talent. What's odd is that your organization has actually gone out and made moves, were normally they are not active. I would think that it's concerning that lately several players are looking to get out, first Lito, then S. Brown and even possibly Andrews now. Adding Peters might make Andrews expendable to a degree, but as someone else posted...are you really going to get full value in return since he had some off field issues of sorts.
I think some of you are placing more value on Reggie Brown than any other team or person would place on him. Browns are disfunctional to say the least, but they know Edwards is worth a 1st minimum. As a 'Skins diehard, I think highly of DMac and I've always been glad that he has had so little talent at WR during his overall career. Can you imagine what McNabb's career #'s would be if he actually had consistent talent at WR or a real #1 type WR? Oh my, Madden might have mentioned him as much as Favre name...
It's nice to hear that your team might make drastic moves in the draft, but trust me as a 'Skins fan, I wouldn't mind if my organization played the cool steady hand that the Eagles do each year and draft solid players in their spot. Of course, keeping all of their drafts picks would be nice too.
I think some of you are placing more value on Reggie Brown than any other team or person would place on him. Browns are disfunctional to say the least, but they know Edwards is worth a 1st minimum. As a 'Skins diehard, I think highly of DMac and I've always been glad that he has had so little talent at WR during his overall career. Can you imagine what McNabb's career #'s would be if he actually had consistent talent at WR or a real #1 type WR? Oh my, Madden might have mentioned him as much as Favre name...
It's nice to hear that your team might make drastic moves in the draft, but trust me as a 'Skins fan, I wouldn't mind if my organization played the cool steady hand that the Eagles do each year and draft solid players in their spot. Of course, keeping all of their drafts picks would be nice too.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Weird, my buddy who is a Browns fans just called and was giving me a hard time because the Edwards to the Giants thing doesn't look like it's happening.
I was telling him that a "source" on a message board I got to was alluding to a deal where the Browns give up the 5th pick and Edwards to the Eagles for the 21st and either Andrews or Sheldon Brown. He flipped out and said how stupid that was, blah, blah blah. While we were still on the phone, the Cleveland sports radio guy said that John Clayton just said that the same exact trade possibility was out there and being discussed between the two teams. He said it EXACTLY like I had just said it.
I was telling him that a "source" on a message board I got to was alluding to a deal where the Browns give up the 5th pick and Edwards to the Eagles for the 21st and either Andrews or Sheldon Brown. He flipped out and said how stupid that was, blah, blah blah. While we were still on the phone, the Cleveland sports radio guy said that John Clayton just said that the same exact trade possibility was out there and being discussed between the two teams.
He said it EXACTLY like I had just said it.Well, since we're all trying to crack this code, here's my attempt: - The deal involved one Browns pick and Edwards traded for one Eagles pick and one Eagles player - The deal involves the #5 pick, since we'll know by the Browns pick if its done - That would pretty much mandate the #21 is involved. - So we're at... #5 + Braylon for #21 + Eagles player - The Browns want a DE/LB (at least in the trade with the Giants, they want Kiwanuka)So who would be that much better than Braylon in trade value to move us up that many picks? And this is where I'm stuck. I don't think Sheldon is that valuable. I would think Shawn Andrews would do it but I can't imagine the Eagles would trade him. As far as an LB/DE to trade, maybe Gocong? maybe J Parker? If they do trade a DE, then they could draft Orakpo to take his place. Well this is my sleuthing for the day, what do you think?
JetMaxx
Footballguy
Welcome to what we've all been enjoying here in Eagle Land. Simply put, DH is THE MAN.Weird, my buddy who is a Browns fans just called and was giving me a hard time because the Edwards to the Giants thing doesn't look like it's happening.I was telling him that a "source" on a message board I got to was alluding to a deal where the Browns give up the 5th pick and Edwards to the Eagles for the 21st and either Andrews or Sheldon Brown. He flipped out and said how stupid that was, blah, blah blah. While we were still on the phone, the Cleveland sports radio guy said that John Clayton just said that the same exact trade possibility was out there and being discussed between the two teams.He said it EXACTLY like I had just said it.
vinwinephans
Footballguy
If I had to think of a LB - I'm think Omar - did not sign the extension and got replaced down the stretch as starter.Too many possibilities, imo.Reggie BrownShawn AndrewsOmar GaitherSheldon Brown...
phillyfan72
Footballguy
For a Skins fan, this is aI'd be shocked if Andrews was dealt, since he is young and a great talent. What's odd is that your organization has actually gone out and made moves, were normally they are not active. I would think that it's concerning that lately several players are looking to get out, first Lito, then S. Brown and even possibly Andrews now. Adding Peters might make Andrews expendable to a degree, but as someone else posted...are you really going to get full value in return since he had some off field issues of sorts.I think some of you are placing more value on Reggie Brown than any other team or person would place on him. Browns are disfunctional to say the least, but they know Edwards is worth a 1st minimum. As a 'Skins diehard, I think highly of DMac and I've always been glad that he has had so little talent at WR during his overall career. Can you imagine what McNabb's career #'s would be if he actually had consistent talent at WR or a real #1 type WR? Oh my, Madden might have mentioned him as much as Favre name...It's nice to hear that your team might make drastic moves in the draft, but trust me as a 'Skins fan, I wouldn't mind if my organization played the cool steady hand that the Eagles do each year and draft solid players in their spot. Of course, keeping all of their drafts picks would be nice too.
Reggie Brown probably isn't the player that could be involved in any deal, us Eagles fans wish it were so, but he has no value at all. I agree with scratcher that it could be a DE like Parker or maybe Andrews. It's gonna be an interesting couple of days for sure.ReggieHammond
Footballguy
Surely there's no way we could get the #5 and Edwards, the #21 and a player wouldn't even be in the ball park of getting that even if we were giving up a pretty good player. The Browns aren't going to sell themselves that short (you would think).
As someone else did say I think by saying to watch the Browns pick DH meant that if they take Crabtree then the deal for Edwards is on. The great deal may be getting Edwards for something like Reggie or Omar and a 3rd which would be a steal.
As someone else did say I think by saying to watch the Browns pick DH meant that if they take Crabtree then the deal for Edwards is on. The great deal may be getting Edwards for something like Reggie or Omar and a 3rd which would be a steal.
Yenrub
Footballguy
Is this deal better than the 2nd and 5th the Giants offered?Welcome to what we've all been enjoying here in Eagle Land. Simply put, DH is THE MAN.Weird, my buddy who is a Browns fans just called and was giving me a hard time because the Edwards to the Giants thing doesn't look like it's happening.I was telling him that a "source" on a message board I got to was alluding to a deal where the Browns give up the 5th pick and Edwards to the Eagles for the 21st and either Andrews or Sheldon Brown. He flipped out and said how stupid that was, blah, blah blah. While we were still on the phone, the Cleveland sports radio guy said that John Clayton just said that the same exact trade possibility was out there and being discussed between the two teams.
stevegamer
Footballguy
stp-d
Footballguy
i agree, this skins fan added some nice info... However, I'm not too concerned about guys jumping ship in Philly, Lito & Sheldon are best friends, and they still keep in touch, i think it's just getting to #24 that Lito got his, and he still has the same contract... As for Andrews, i think it's complete BS, if your brother & buddy just got moved to your team, why would you make waves. The Eagles love Andrews, he's not going anywhere. I doubt Sheldon gets moved. Could it involve Darren Howard, Bunkley, Booker or Curtis?For a Skins fan, this is aI'd be shocked if Andrews was dealt, since he is young and a great talent. What's odd is that your organization has actually gone out and made moves, were normally they are not active. I would think that it's concerning that lately several players are looking to get out, first Lito, then S. Brown and even possibly Andrews now. Adding Peters might make Andrews expendable to a degree, but as someone else posted...are you really going to get full value in return since he had some off field issues of sorts.I think some of you are placing more value on Reggie Brown than any other team or person would place on him. Browns are disfunctional to say the least, but they know Edwards is worth a 1st minimum. As a 'Skins diehard, I think highly of DMac and I've always been glad that he has had so little talent at WR during his overall career. Can you imagine what McNabb's career #'s would be if he actually had consistent talent at WR or a real #1 type WR? Oh my, Madden might have mentioned him as much as Favre name...It's nice to hear that your team might make drastic moves in the draft, but trust me as a 'Skins fan, I wouldn't mind if my organization played the cool steady hand that the Eagles do each year and draft solid players in their spot. Of course, keeping all of their drafts picks would be nice too.
GoBirds
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Reminder: Reggie Brown sucks, nobody wants him, he has no value.Cant be Andrews going to Cle. We just traded for his brother and I dont think he contract is cap friendly. Also dont think its 2 Eagles since DH said 'player', not 'players'.I think what DH is saying is that Cle will be picking Crabtree and deal us Edwards for Reggie Brown and something like a 4th or 5th. This would make the most sense.Im not clear though on his comments regarding making last years trade look tame. That makes me thing we are getting a 1st somehow. Which would remove Reggie Brown and insert Sheldon Brown. Is Sheldon worth a Edwards and the 1.05? Doubt it. Sheldon and the 1.21 for Edwards and the 1.05 ... possibility. Sheldon, the 1.21 for Edwards and the 1.05 and Cle 2010 1st ... WOW.
gonzobill5
Footballguy
I hope I'm wrong, but this feels eerily similar to the Randy Moss and Larry Fitzgerald rumors from last year. Would anyone really be shocked if all this hubbub were just the birds drumming up some publicity or possibly just driving up the price for some of their competition?
Also, if Andrews isn't making a stink, his name popping up in trade rumors can't be a good thing for that fragile psyche of his.
Also, if Andrews isn't making a stink, his name popping up in trade rumors can't be a good thing for that fragile psyche of his.
zadok
Footballguy
The Moss thing was not a rumor, it is a fact. They offered him a bigger contract than NE did. All this "drumming up publicity" or "driving up the price for someone else" nonsense is some real paranoid bs. I'm sorry, but those comments make me ashamed to be an Eagles fan. I've got to stop listening to sportstalk radio...
Buddy Ball 2K3
Footballguy
610/950 are filled with absolute morons. Do yourself a favor and Get Sirius NFL Radio. Its amazing how much you will actually learn about football. The other day they were explaining the five technique to a caller, you wont hear that on too many sports talk stations.
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Lehigh98
Footballguy
Five dollar foot longs?
Mighty Mice
Footballguy
Shot in the dark here, but I cannot see a combo that would net both Edwards and the #5. I agree with those who feel taking Crabtree means that they will be shipping Edwards to Philly. With all the talk about Quinn/Anderson being traded, I wonder...what player might CLE want? Kevin Kolb?
Most likely a DE considering that huge need for them and the fact they asked for Mathias K. as part of the deal from NY.
Edwards for Kolb with a swap of picks? (2nd/3rd?)
DE for Edwards and a swap of picks?
Most likely a DE considering that huge need for them and the fact they asked for Mathias K. as part of the deal from NY.
Edwards for Kolb with a swap of picks? (2nd/3rd?)
DE for Edwards and a swap of picks?
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Deranged Hermit
Not cool & Pissed
I will say that one person almost nailed what the deal is, but I've since found out that the Eagles will also be adding another pick to the deal, but it's for next year.
Mighty Mice
Footballguy
If possible to answer...Is this a case where CLE is waiting to see who is on the clock at #5 before pulling the trigger on any trade? Or is this discussion pressing forward regardless?
JAA
Footballguy
:jaa:
Buddy Ball 2K3
Footballguy
DH let me ask you one question. Are you so excited about tomorrow that you can barely sleep??
JAA
Footballguy
Why would Cle want Kolb? Has he shown anything to anyone? What is his value? Does he have any?
Thanks DH, for all of your valuable insight!! I, for one, appreciate what tidbits you've been able to throw our way. They certainly make for interesting discussion. That being said, I am willing to wait a few more hours for confirmation of our favorite teams draft day strategy.
GO BIRDS!!!!!!!
GO BIRDS!!!!!!!
Mighty Mice
Footballguy
Like I said, most likely a DE. But, with all the specualtion I have been hearing about CLE moving Quinn to a number of teams, just throwing something out there. I *could* see them trading Quinn and not being happy starting the year with only DA. Kolb was a 2nd rounder, and no one has really seen anything from him. Anyways, Kolb on the road, vs. the Ravens with no prep is not a fair assessment IMO.
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drdgreenlove
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I think you are the winner and predicted the trade.The Jets were interested in Gocong inthe draft when Mangini was there (though I think they traded their pick to the Eagles who subsequently drafted Gocong). Gocong seems better suited for a 3-4 defense.We know that the Eagles have been interested in a DE from DH's recent posts...So Orakpo and Braylon for #21, Gocong, and a 2010 2nd rounder is my best guessseems like a steal to mescratcher said:
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vinwinephans
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Starts with:
By Domination Apr 23 2009, 04:32 PM post=10240866
By JAA Apr 23 2009, 05:09 PM post=10241165
By scratcher Apr 23 2009, 05:37 PM post=10241334
By ReggieHammond Apr 23 2009, 06:16 PM post=10241484
By Mighty MiceApr 24 2009, 09:30 AM post=10243259
Here's hoping something happens! 
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In between we had (think I got them all):By vinwinephans Apr 23 2009, 02:18 PM post='10239818
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[quote name='zadok' post='10239797' date='Apr 23 2009, 02:15 PM']So coy...C'mon boys, let's try to read between the lines! Any comment on the Shawn Andrews thing?[/quote]That's what I'm thinking... Andrews and a pick for Edwards and pick if Crab goes at 5? For it to be obscene - do we get Clev's 1st next year (to make last year's trade look tame?)...
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DH,Just the fact that we get to imagine the possibilities of this deal is great. So if we are guessing, I am going with...Browns give B Edwards & #5Eagles give S Brown, R Brown, & #21
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Cant be Andrews going to Cle. We just traded for his brother and I dont think he contract is cap friendly. Also dont think its 2 Eagles since DH said 'player', not 'players'.I think what DH is saying is that Cle will be picking Crabtree and deal us Edwards for Reggie Brown and something like a 4th or 5th. This would make the most sense.Im not clear though on his comments regarding making last years trade look tame. That makes me thing we are getting a 1st somehow. Which would remove Reggie Brown and insert Sheldon Brown. Is Sheldon worth a Edwards and the 1.05? Doubt it. Sheldon and the 1.21 for Edwards and the 1.05 ... possibility. Sheldon, the 1.21 for Edwards and the 1.05 and Cle 2010 1st ... WOW.:excited:
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Well, since we're all trying to crack this code, here's my attempt: - The deal involved one Browns pick and Edwards traded for one Eagles pick and one Eagles player - The deal involves the #5 pick, since we'll know by the Browns pick if its done - That would pretty much mandate the #21 is involved. - So we're at... #5 + Braylon for #21 + Eagles player - The Browns want a DE/LB (at least in the trade with the Giants, they want Kiwanuka)So who would be that much better than Braylon in trade value to move us up that many picks? And this is where I'm stuck. I don't think Sheldon is that valuable. I would think Shawn Andrews would do it but I can't imagine the Eagles would trade him. As far as an LB/DE to trade, maybe Gocong? maybe J Parker? If they do trade a DE, then they could draft Orakpo to take his place. Well this is my sleuthing for the day, what do you think?
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As someone else did say I think by saying to watch the Browns pick DH meant that if they take Crabtree then the deal for Edwards is on. The great deal may be getting Edwards for something like Reggie or Omar and a 3rd which would be a steal.
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Shot in the dark here, but I cannot see a combo that would net both Edwards and the #5. I agree with those who feel taking Crabtree means that they will be shipping Edwards to Philly. With all the talk about Quinn/Anderson being traded, I wonder...what player might CLE want? Kevin Kolb?Most likely a DE considering that huge need for them and the fact they asked for Mathias K. as part of the deal from NY.Edwards for Kolb with a swap of picks? (2nd/3rd?)DE for Edwards and a swap of picks?zenzephyros
Footballguy
Huh??? What planet is this poster from? I always love the people who think that you can just trade their own junk for somebody else's prized possessions. I got a good laugh out of this trade proposal. Thanks!
JAA
Footballguy
another cross post ...
by Tommy Lawlor , http://www.scoutsnotebook.com
Overview
The Eagles have 10 picks heading into the weekend. There are no holes in the starting lineup. There certainly are areas where help is needed, but don't expect any picks to become impact starters, barring injury or some outside factor like that.
This is a weak draft class overall. The Eagles are lucky that the available talent matches what we're likely to be looking for. While this is a weak group, there are good players to be had.
There is very little possibility that the Eagles will move up. There just aren't targets that are worth it from what I can tell. With pick 28 and the 4th rounder already gone to BUF I don't see the team using their 2nd or 3rd to move up.
Trading back is possible. It wouldn't be a huge move back like last year. We'd be looking at going back 7-10 spots. You'd hopefully pick up a 3rd or 4th in the process.
Picks:
1st Rd
2nd Rd
3rd Rd
5th Rd (from CLE)
5th Rd (from NYJ)
5th Rd
5th Rd (from NE)
6th Rd
6th Rd (from MIN)
7th Rd
Before we get into needs, let's look at the current depth chart:
POSSIBLE DEPTH CHART - top 56 players
WR - DeSean Jackson ... Jason Avant ..... Danny Amendola
WR - Kevin Curtis ......... Hank Baskett
TE - Brent Celek .........
FB - Leonard Weaver..... Kyle Eckel
RB - Brian Westbrook ... Lorenzo Booker
QB - Donovan McNabb...Kevin Kolb ........... AJ Feeley
LT - Jason Peters ........ King Dunlap
LG - Todd Herremans ... Mike McGlynn..... Max Jean-Gilles (INJ)
C - Jamaal Jackson ....... Mike Gibson
RG - Shawn Andrews ... Nick Cole
RT - Stacy Andrews ..... Winston Justice ... Chris Patrick
DE - Trent Cole .............. Darren Howard ... Bryan Smith
DT - Brodrick Bunkley .... Trevor Laws
DT - Mike Patterson ........ Dan Klecko ......... Amon Gordon
DE - Victor Abiamiri ........ Juqua Parker ...... Chris Clemons
WLB - Akeem Jordan ...... Omar Gaither ......Tank Daniels
MLB - Stewart Bradley .... Joe Mays
SLB - Chris Gocong
SS - Quintin Mikell .......... Rashad Baker
FS - Sean Jones ............ Quintin Demps ........ Byron Parker
CB - Asante Samuel ....... Joselio Hanson ....... Dimitri Patterson
CB - Sheldon Brown ....... Jack Ikegwounu ..... Trae Williams
P - Sav Rocca
PK - David Akers
LS - Jon Dorenbos
Coverage - Tracy White
On The Way Out?
* WR Reggie Brown
* TE Matt Schobel
NEEDS
The Eagles have two positions that need good backups immediately, RB and TE. There is no good backup on the roster at either spot. This doesn't mean that the first 2 picks will be spent on RB and TE. These are just positions where the team must find players.
QB - I doubt the Eagles address this position. Very weak class to choose from.
RB - We need a good backup. I wouldn't be surprised to see a couple of RBs taken. I know a lot of fans question whether Big Red will pull the trigger on taking a RB early. He hasn't done it so far in his career. Circumstances are different this time. The incumbent RB is older and has shaky knees. His backup left in FA. The cupboard is bare. We need a good backup. The failures of Moats and Hunt push this problem to the top of the list and will lead us to spend an early pick, possible 1st Rder, on a RB.
FB - Leonard Weaver has a 1-year deal. Kyle Eckel is still around, but I think the Eagles need to bring in a solid young player.
WR - We need someone to groom to replace Kevin Curtis in a year or two. The Eagles prefer to draft guys ahead of time so they have a chance to develop. We could go for a big WR or they might prefer to add another guy with speed and athletic ability.
TE - We need a good backup. Or two. I'd like one to have strong blocking skills. Priority position. Celek looked good for a month, but we need more at this spot. Give me a great athlete (Celek isn't) or give me a complete TE who can block and catch (Celek isn't).
OL - The addition of Jason Peters has us pretty set. I know some fans want the team to take a C to challenge Jamaal Jackson. Don't count on it. Nick Cole, Mike McGlynn, and Mike Gibson are already in place. I think the team would like to see one of them emerge as a challenger for Jamaal.
King Dunlap, Chris Patrick, and Winston Justice are the backup OTs right now. Justice is likely out of here in the form of a trade or cut. Max Jean-Gilles, Cole, McGlynn, and Gibson offer depth at OG.
DE - I like the group we have, but the Eagles value pass rushers. Don't count this out.
DT - See above. We won't spend an early pick on a DT, but could add a big guy in the later rounds.
LB - We're set on the inside with Bradley and Mays. I like our OLBs, but there could be a need for depth. Chris Gocong is a FA at the end of the year (assuming the CBA situation gets handled). I'm sure the Eagles would love to keep Gocong, but he might get a better offer from a 3-4 team. We do need a backup at SLB. We took Andy Studebaker last year, but the Chiefs signed him off our Practice Squad. I'm fine with Akeem Jordan at WLB. His backup is Omar Gaither, who will be a FA at the end of the year. We could add a WIL to push Jordan or at least be a backup in the future. Gaither won't be sticking around if he can help it. Omar wants to start and has no interest in being our top backup and STer.
S - We could use a SS of the future. Demps is the FS of the future. Mikell is the SS for now, but we need someone to develop behind him. Don't necessarily look for a big guy. The Eagles are now using the Safeties in a more interchangeable fashion.
CB - Tricky position. I had figured the Eagles would add a player, depending on who they liked. And then Sheldon Brown went kinda crazy. I have no idea how this situation is going to play out. The Eagles were pretty definitive about not wanting to trade him. At the same time, you suddenly can't count on him. That means you better find a CB you feel can step in and play. The x-factor to all of this is Jack Ikegwuonu. I've asked everyone I can for insight on him, but haven't heard a thing. I don't know if the Eagles think Jack will be anywhere close to 100% and able to be anything more than a role player. They also have Trae Williams and Dimitri Patterson, but I'm not sold that either guy is meant to start. I think the Eagles will spend a pick in the first 4 rounds on a CB. I know we don't have a 4th round pick, but we could add one with a trade.
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POTENTIAL TARGETS
I have mentioned this a few times, but it bears repeating. The Eagles are player specific, not position specific. They will have a list of 100-125 names that are primary draft targets. This is after scouting well over 1,000 prospects. The list has been whittled down to focus on players that fit our schemes, have the right intangibles, and make the most sense. There isn’t a need for a quarterback to be taken early. Clearly, there is a need for a running back and tight end. The players who make the list are going to be guys that the scouts rated highly and that the coaching staff liked when they joined the evaluation process after the season.
General manager Tom Heckert has said that the Eagles like to have a list of five names that the team is targeting in each round. The list is players the team thinks will be available and wants to pick. Obviously names can be added to the list as some players slide down the board. With that in mind, I thought I’d put together my guess as to the players targeted for the first three rounds. Plenty of good players won’t be listed. That simply means I don’t think they will be available at the spots we’re picking from.
FIRST ROUND
1 – RB Knowshon Moreno – We’ve talked about him quite a bit in the last few months. The Eagles need a backup running back. Moreno is arguably the best runner in the draft, but has a good chance of being on the board at pick 21.
2 – WR Hakeem Nicks – This is purely a guess on my part. The Eagles need a young receiver to develop for the future. Ideally, he’d have some size and be a physical player. Nicks fits that bill and would be a great complement to DeSean Jackson in a year or two. Mike Mayock says there are character issues with Nicks. We know Hakeem scored low on the Wonderlic. We know he added about 15 pounds between the Combine and his Pro Day. Are those the character issues or is there something else? If so, Nicks may drop down to the early 2nd (35-40 range). I'm grading him on game tape.
3 – TE Brandon Pettigrew – Maybe the most interesting name on the list. The Eagles have never added a player with his size and skill set. Pettigrew is the top tight end and we need someone to pair with Brent Celek. Pettigrew is a good receiver, but would be a tremendous upgrade in terms of blocking ability.
4 – RB Donald Brown – A year ago I had no idea who Brown was. Now he might be the most NFL ready of the running backs in the draft. Brown is the best blocker. He is a good receiver. And yes, he can run as well. Brown led the nation in rushing in 2008.
5 – CB Alphonso Smith – This name is not a reaction to the Sheldon Brown situation. I’ve mentioned Smith quite a few times in the past couple of months. He lacks ideal size, but was very productive (21 career interceptions) and has great instincts. He also tackles like a safety.
I know it seems strange to put together a list and not have any offensive linemen or front seven players. I can’t see the Eagles taking a blocker. The Jason Peters acquisition makes the team very talented and deep up front. The defense is deep and pretty young.
I will mention a couple of guys that could slide and be of interest. Defensive back Malcolm Jenkins looked like a top 10 pick all year long, but only runs in the 4.5 range. That probably pushes him down a few spots. It is possible he could slide down farther. Jenkins could be a target at either cornerback or free safety. Defensive end Everette Brown is one of the best pass rushers in the draft. There is speculation he could slide down. If so, the Eagles could take him. You can never have enough top pass rushers.
2 other DEs that could be targets are Aaron Maybin and Robert Ayers. Maybin has the quickest first step in the draft. He has a ton of potential as a pass rusher. Ayers is more of a run defender at LDE who can also slide in to DT on 3rd down. We already have that guy in Victor Abiamiri, but the Eagles love their defensive linemen.
SECOND ROUND
1 – TE Cornelius Ingram – I am not sure if Ingram will last that long, but he did miss the 2008 season with a torn ACL. That could drive down his value and give the Eagles a chance to land him. Ingram is a gifted pass catcher and Reid loves athletic tight ends who add a dynamic dimension to the offense. Ingram is a player the team is high on.
2 – SS William Moore – Quintin Demps is in place as the free safety of the future. Sean Jones and Rashad Baker each have one-year deals. That leaves a space for a young strong safety. Moore has a great combination of size, skill, and athletic ability. He’s coming off a disappointing season, but he has the potential to be a star in the NFL.
3 – RB Rashad Jennings – The first small school prospect to make the list. Jennings started off at Pitt and then transferred to Liberty because of a family issue. He dominated the I-AA level. Jennings played well at the Senior Bowl and showed excellent athletic ability at the Combine.
4 – TE Jared Cook – Cook might be the most talented tight end in the entire draft. He has size, speed, and athletic ability. He makes some incredible catches and is an underrated blocker. He left South Carolina after his junior season and never put up huge numbers. I think that was more due to erratic quarterback play than anything Cook did.
5 - CB Kevin Barnes – If the Eagles want a cornerback with some size, Barnes could be a guy of definite interest. He is 6-0 and 187 pounds. Barnes was having a terrific senior year when a shoulder injury sidelined him. He can cover, hit, tackle, and make plays.
Any potential sliders who could be of interest? Receiver Brian Robiskie is one guy who comes to mind. I’m not sure there is any way he makes it all the way down to pick 53, but if he slides anywhere close the Eagles could explore a trade up to get him.
THIRD ROUND
1 – LB/DE David Veikune – I list him as a linebacker / defensive end. Veikune could play either spot. He was an end at Hawaii and proved to be a good pass rusher. He’s also a quality run defender and would fit in nicely as a backup on the left side. I could also see the Eagles thinking of him as a strongside linebacker. He has the agility and motor to make the transition. Both Chris Gocong and Stewart Bradley were picked in the third round.
2 – TE Travis Beckum – Should the Eagles not land a tight end earlier, Beckum could be an ideal target in the third round. He has great hands and could be an excellent addition to the passing game. His blocking needs work, but he will at least give good effort in that area.
3 – CB Bradley Fletcher – Another corner with some size. Fletcher can cover in man or zone. He is a very good tackler and has some playmaking ability.
4 – LB Cody Brown – Brown played defensive end at UConn, but is only 6-2 and 246 pounds. He projects to linebacker in the NFL. Brown is a very physical player despite his size. He should be athletic enough to develop cover skills. I think a 3-4 team could take him before our pick, but it’s possible he slides to the late third.
5 – RB Cedric Peerman – I doubt the Eagles wait this long to take a running back, but you never know how things will play out in the draft. Peerman could be an excellent backup and spot starter. He also has some kickoff return ability. He isn’t the biggest guy, but has good speed and is a very physical runner.
A couple of players who could slide and be of interest would be cornerback Mike Mickens and receiver Juaquin Iglesias. Both guys have good size and production. Both guys were very good college players. They just lack elite speed or ability. The Eagles might have interest in defensive lineman Alex Magee. He played tackle for most of his career, but shifted to end as a senior. Magee could be a swing player like Darren Howard.
The third round is also a spot where Reid has taken I-AA players a few times (Gocong, Brian Westbrook, Brian Smith). Are there any small school guys who could be of interest? Two receivers that could attract the Eagles are Ramses Barden of Cal Poly and Johnny Knox of Abilene Christian. Barden is huge at 6-6 and 227 pounds. Knox was the fastest receiver at the Combine. Both guys were amazingly productive. I think the Eagles would prefer a big receiver to pair with Jackson, but you never know. Cornerback Greg Toler of St. Pauls (VA) is a small school defender that could go in the top 100. Trying to figure out what grade the Eagles have on these players is really hard. I did see the Gocong pick in 2006 and talked about it beforehand. I was caught off guard last year by the Brian Smith selection. Small school prospects are hard to grade.
I'm not going to list guys for the rest of the draft. Things go crazy after the Top 100. One thing to keep in mind late, the Eagles don’t have a 6th or 7th round pick in 2010 so don’t be surprised if they trade a late pick this year to add a pick or two for next year.
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MISC DRAFT INFO
All GE-99 Team
These are my favorite non-1st rounders. Some have good NFL potential, while others are just overachievers that I loved watching the last 6 months.
WR Jarrett Dillard - Rice
WR Mike Thomas - Arizona
TE Travis Beckum - Wisconsin
FB Quinn Johnson - LSU
RB Gartrell Johnson - Colorado State
QB Pat White - West Va
LT Jamon Meredith - South Carolina
LG Andy Levitre - Oregon State
C CJ Davis - Pitt
RG Roger Allen - Missouri State
RT Sebastian Vollmer - Houston
DE Victor Butler - Oregon State
DT Roy Miller - Texas
DT Mitch King - Iowa
DE David Veikune - Hawaii
LB James Holt - Kansas
ILB Jason Phillips - TCU
LB Tyrone McKenzie - USF
S Kevin Ellison - USC
S Deangelo Smith - Cincinnati (played CB and FS this year)
CB Mike Mickens - Cincinnati
CB Macho Harris - Va Tech
* I want the Eagles to take at least 3 guys off this list:
Knowshon Moreno
Donald Brown
Quin Johnson
Hakeem Nicks
Brian Robiskie
Shawn Nelson
Travis Beckum
Sebastian Vollmer
David Veikune
Victor Butler
Cody Brown
Mike Rivera
Otis Wiley
Deangelo Smith
Alphonso Smith
Joe Burnett
* Please avoid:
Chase Coffman - finesse player without top speed
Max Unger - bad fit for us...finesse blocker who needs to pull a lot
Sean Smith - needs to press most of the time
Duke Robinson - addicted to underachieving
Derrick Williams - I hate to be critical of him, but he lacks speed and will drop passes
Shonn Greene - bad fit for us...can't catch, doesn't know how to block, and has academic issues
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* Players the Eagles have shown interest in:
Before the list, keep these 2007 comments from Tom Heckert in mind:
VISITS TO PHILLY
OT Eugene Monroe - Virginia ... likely top 5 pick
OT Andre Smith - Alabama ... top 20 pick
OT Jason Smith - Baylor ... top 10 pick
OT Sebastian Vollmer - Houston ... 4th rounder
TE Brandon Pettigrew - Oklahoma State ... 1st rounder
TE Chase Coffman - Missouri ... mid-rounder
WR Michael Crabtree - Texas Tech ... top 10 pick
WR Hakeem Nicks - UNC ... 1st round pick
WR Percy Harvin - Florida ... probably a 1st round pick
RB Donald Brown - UConn ... likely late 1st rounder
RB LeSean McCoy - Pitt ... 2nd rounder
RB Knowshon Moreno - Georgia ... 1st rounder
RB Kory Sheets - Purdue ... mid round pick
QB Pat White - West Va ... 2nd / 3rd rounder
DE Lawrence Sidbury - Richmond ...2nd rounder
DE Robert Ayers - Tennessee ... mid 1st to early 2nd
DT Alex Magee - Purdue ... late rounder
S Patrick Chung - Oregon ... 2nd, maybe 3rd rounder
S Rashad Johnson - Alabama ... 3rd rounder
CB Kevin Barnes - Maryland ... 2nd / 3rd rounder
CB Vontae Davis - Illinois ... 1st rounder
CB Sean Smith - Utah ... 2nd rounder
CB Bradley Fletcher - Iowa ... mid-rounder
Here is the thread which has full details on players the Eagles have scouted/met with/shown interest in:
http://boards.philadelphiaeagles.com/index...howtopic=533341
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EAGLES VALUE BOARD
1st Round
RB: Knowshon Moreno, Donald Brown, Beanie Wells
TE: Brandon Pettigrew
WR: Michael Crabtree, Jeremy Maclin, Darrius Heyward-Bey, Hakeem Nicks
OT: Eugene Monroe, Jason Smith, Andre Smith, Eben Britton
DE: Brian Orakpo, Everette Brown, Aaron Maybin, Robert Ayers, Michael Johnson, Tyson Jackson
DT: BJ Raji
LB: Aaron Curry, Brian Cushing
ILB: Rey Maualuga, James Laurinaitis
CB: Malcolm Jenkins, Alphonso Smith, Darius Butler, Vontae Davis
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2nd Round
RB: LeSean McCoy, Rashad Jennings
TE: Jared Cook, Shawn Nelson, Cornelius Ingram
WR: Brian Robiskie, Kenny Britt, Percy Harvin
OT: William Beatty, Jamon Meredith, Michael Oher
OC: Eric Wood, Alex Mack, Max Unger
DE: Larry English, Connor Barwin, Lawrence Sidbury
DT: Peria Jerry, Jarron Gilbert, Ron Brace, Ziggy Hood
LB: Clay Matthews, Clint Sintim
S: Louis Delmas, Patrick Chung, William Moore
CB: Sean Smith, Mike Mickens, Kevin Barnes
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3rd Round
RB: Andre Brown, Cedric Peerman
TE: Travis Beckum, James Casey, Chase Coffman
WR: Juaquin Iglesias, Mike Thomas, Austin Collie
OT: Phil Loadholt
OG: Andy Levitre, Kraig Urbik
DE: David Veikune, Paul Kruger
DT: Fili Moala, Corvey Irvin, Alex Magee
LB: Marcus Freeman, Cody Brown
ILB: Jason Phillips
S: Rashad Johnson, Michael Hamlin
CB: Macho Harris, DJ Moore, Ladarius Webb, Bradley Fletcher
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4th Round
RB: Mike Goodson, Javon Ringer
TE: Anthony Hill, Cam Morrah, Richard Quinn
WR: Kenny McKinley, Kevin Ogletree, Mohammed Massaquoi, Ramses Barden, Johnny Knox
OT: Troy Kropog, Sebastian Vollmer, TJ Lang
OG: Tryronne Green, Herman Johnson, Trevor Canfield
OC: Antoine Caldwell, Jonathan Luigs
DE: Brandon Williams
DT: Corvey Irvin, Sen'Derrick Marks
LB: Zack Follett, Jason Williams, Tyrone McKenzie, Gerald McRath, Stanley Arnoux
S: Darcel McBath, Chip Vaughn
CB: Asher Allen, Joe Burnett, Sherrod Martin, Greg Toler
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5th Round
RB: Kory Sheets, Jeremiah Johnson, Arian Foster, Glen Coffee
FB: Quin Johnson, Tony Fiametta, Brannan Southerland
TE: Dan Gronkowski, Kory Sperry
WR: Jarrett Dillard, Patrick Turner, Deon Butler, Louis Murphy, Derrick Williams, Brian Hartline,
OT: Gerald Cadogan, Xavier Fulton, Jose Valdez
OG: Roger Allen, Louis Vasquez
DE: Kyle Moore, Will Davis, Michael Bennett
DT: Terrence Knighton, Sammie Lee Hill, Clinton McDonald
LB: Moise Fokou, Kaluka Maiava, Deandre Levy, Nic Harris, Mike Rivera, Darry Beckwith
ILB: Jasper Brinkley, Scott McKillop
S: David Bruton, Deangelo Smith, Otis Wiley
CB: Coye Francies, Captain Munnerlyn, Chris Owens
Notes
* Brandon Tate isn't listed. He has 46 career catches. He tore his ACL in October. He tested positive at the Combine. Talented player, but too many red flags.
* Jairus Byrd isn't listed. He ran a 4.65 at his Pro Day. The rule of thumb with CBs is that 4.55 is needed to be a starter. There's a little fudge room with that, but not .1 seconds. If the Eagles have a faster time on him (scouts will get different times at different workouts) then taking him in the 4th or 5th would be plausible.
*LB Brit Miller isn't listed. He played MLB this year for Illinois and only looked so-so. Played SAM at an all star game and looked solid. If the Eagles have checked him out as a SAM, could be a late 5th round target.
* Late round / UDFA targets:
TE John Nalbone - Monmouth
TE Zach Miller - Nebraska-Omaha
WR Jamarko Simmons - Western Michigan
WR Brooks Foster - UNC
RB Curtis Brinkley - Syracuse
RB Marlon Lucky - Nebraska
C/G CJ Davis - Pitt
T Garrett Reynolds - UNC
CB Derek Cox - William & Mary
S Sha'reff Rashad - UCF
LB Dan Skuta - Grand Valley State
LB Anthony Heygood - Purdue
LB James Holt - Kansas
LB Russell Allen - SDSU
LB Brad Jones - Colorado
DE Derrick Walker - Illinois
any DT that is 6'3, 310 (there are several guys to choose from)
by Tommy Lawlor , http://www.scoutsnotebook.com
Overview
The Eagles have 10 picks heading into the weekend. There are no holes in the starting lineup. There certainly are areas where help is needed, but don't expect any picks to become impact starters, barring injury or some outside factor like that.
This is a weak draft class overall. The Eagles are lucky that the available talent matches what we're likely to be looking for. While this is a weak group, there are good players to be had.
There is very little possibility that the Eagles will move up. There just aren't targets that are worth it from what I can tell. With pick 28 and the 4th rounder already gone to BUF I don't see the team using their 2nd or 3rd to move up.
Trading back is possible. It wouldn't be a huge move back like last year. We'd be looking at going back 7-10 spots. You'd hopefully pick up a 3rd or 4th in the process.
Picks:
1st Rd
2nd Rd
3rd Rd
5th Rd (from CLE)
5th Rd (from NYJ)
5th Rd
5th Rd (from NE)
6th Rd
6th Rd (from MIN)
7th Rd
Before we get into needs, let's look at the current depth chart:
POSSIBLE DEPTH CHART - top 56 players
WR - DeSean Jackson ... Jason Avant ..... Danny Amendola
WR - Kevin Curtis ......... Hank Baskett
TE - Brent Celek .........
FB - Leonard Weaver..... Kyle Eckel
RB - Brian Westbrook ... Lorenzo Booker
QB - Donovan McNabb...Kevin Kolb ........... AJ Feeley
LT - Jason Peters ........ King Dunlap
LG - Todd Herremans ... Mike McGlynn..... Max Jean-Gilles (INJ)
C - Jamaal Jackson ....... Mike Gibson
RG - Shawn Andrews ... Nick Cole
RT - Stacy Andrews ..... Winston Justice ... Chris Patrick
DE - Trent Cole .............. Darren Howard ... Bryan Smith
DT - Brodrick Bunkley .... Trevor Laws
DT - Mike Patterson ........ Dan Klecko ......... Amon Gordon
DE - Victor Abiamiri ........ Juqua Parker ...... Chris Clemons
WLB - Akeem Jordan ...... Omar Gaither ......Tank Daniels
MLB - Stewart Bradley .... Joe Mays
SLB - Chris Gocong
SS - Quintin Mikell .......... Rashad Baker
FS - Sean Jones ............ Quintin Demps ........ Byron Parker
CB - Asante Samuel ....... Joselio Hanson ....... Dimitri Patterson
CB - Sheldon Brown ....... Jack Ikegwounu ..... Trae Williams
P - Sav Rocca
PK - David Akers
LS - Jon Dorenbos
Coverage - Tracy White
On The Way Out?
* WR Reggie Brown
* TE Matt Schobel
NEEDS
The Eagles have two positions that need good backups immediately, RB and TE. There is no good backup on the roster at either spot. This doesn't mean that the first 2 picks will be spent on RB and TE. These are just positions where the team must find players.
QB - I doubt the Eagles address this position. Very weak class to choose from.
RB - We need a good backup. I wouldn't be surprised to see a couple of RBs taken. I know a lot of fans question whether Big Red will pull the trigger on taking a RB early. He hasn't done it so far in his career. Circumstances are different this time. The incumbent RB is older and has shaky knees. His backup left in FA. The cupboard is bare. We need a good backup. The failures of Moats and Hunt push this problem to the top of the list and will lead us to spend an early pick, possible 1st Rder, on a RB.
FB - Leonard Weaver has a 1-year deal. Kyle Eckel is still around, but I think the Eagles need to bring in a solid young player.
WR - We need someone to groom to replace Kevin Curtis in a year or two. The Eagles prefer to draft guys ahead of time so they have a chance to develop. We could go for a big WR or they might prefer to add another guy with speed and athletic ability.
TE - We need a good backup. Or two. I'd like one to have strong blocking skills. Priority position. Celek looked good for a month, but we need more at this spot. Give me a great athlete (Celek isn't) or give me a complete TE who can block and catch (Celek isn't).
OL - The addition of Jason Peters has us pretty set. I know some fans want the team to take a C to challenge Jamaal Jackson. Don't count on it. Nick Cole, Mike McGlynn, and Mike Gibson are already in place. I think the team would like to see one of them emerge as a challenger for Jamaal.
King Dunlap, Chris Patrick, and Winston Justice are the backup OTs right now. Justice is likely out of here in the form of a trade or cut. Max Jean-Gilles, Cole, McGlynn, and Gibson offer depth at OG.
DE - I like the group we have, but the Eagles value pass rushers. Don't count this out.
DT - See above. We won't spend an early pick on a DT, but could add a big guy in the later rounds.
LB - We're set on the inside with Bradley and Mays. I like our OLBs, but there could be a need for depth. Chris Gocong is a FA at the end of the year (assuming the CBA situation gets handled). I'm sure the Eagles would love to keep Gocong, but he might get a better offer from a 3-4 team. We do need a backup at SLB. We took Andy Studebaker last year, but the Chiefs signed him off our Practice Squad. I'm fine with Akeem Jordan at WLB. His backup is Omar Gaither, who will be a FA at the end of the year. We could add a WIL to push Jordan or at least be a backup in the future. Gaither won't be sticking around if he can help it. Omar wants to start and has no interest in being our top backup and STer.
S - We could use a SS of the future. Demps is the FS of the future. Mikell is the SS for now, but we need someone to develop behind him. Don't necessarily look for a big guy. The Eagles are now using the Safeties in a more interchangeable fashion.
CB - Tricky position. I had figured the Eagles would add a player, depending on who they liked. And then Sheldon Brown went kinda crazy. I have no idea how this situation is going to play out. The Eagles were pretty definitive about not wanting to trade him. At the same time, you suddenly can't count on him. That means you better find a CB you feel can step in and play. The x-factor to all of this is Jack Ikegwuonu. I've asked everyone I can for insight on him, but haven't heard a thing. I don't know if the Eagles think Jack will be anywhere close to 100% and able to be anything more than a role player. They also have Trae Williams and Dimitri Patterson, but I'm not sold that either guy is meant to start. I think the Eagles will spend a pick in the first 4 rounds on a CB. I know we don't have a 4th round pick, but we could add one with a trade.
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POTENTIAL TARGETS
I have mentioned this a few times, but it bears repeating. The Eagles are player specific, not position specific. They will have a list of 100-125 names that are primary draft targets. This is after scouting well over 1,000 prospects. The list has been whittled down to focus on players that fit our schemes, have the right intangibles, and make the most sense. There isn’t a need for a quarterback to be taken early. Clearly, there is a need for a running back and tight end. The players who make the list are going to be guys that the scouts rated highly and that the coaching staff liked when they joined the evaluation process after the season.
General manager Tom Heckert has said that the Eagles like to have a list of five names that the team is targeting in each round. The list is players the team thinks will be available and wants to pick. Obviously names can be added to the list as some players slide down the board. With that in mind, I thought I’d put together my guess as to the players targeted for the first three rounds. Plenty of good players won’t be listed. That simply means I don’t think they will be available at the spots we’re picking from.
FIRST ROUND
1 – RB Knowshon Moreno – We’ve talked about him quite a bit in the last few months. The Eagles need a backup running back. Moreno is arguably the best runner in the draft, but has a good chance of being on the board at pick 21.
2 – WR Hakeem Nicks – This is purely a guess on my part. The Eagles need a young receiver to develop for the future. Ideally, he’d have some size and be a physical player. Nicks fits that bill and would be a great complement to DeSean Jackson in a year or two. Mike Mayock says there are character issues with Nicks. We know Hakeem scored low on the Wonderlic. We know he added about 15 pounds between the Combine and his Pro Day. Are those the character issues or is there something else? If so, Nicks may drop down to the early 2nd (35-40 range). I'm grading him on game tape.
3 – TE Brandon Pettigrew – Maybe the most interesting name on the list. The Eagles have never added a player with his size and skill set. Pettigrew is the top tight end and we need someone to pair with Brent Celek. Pettigrew is a good receiver, but would be a tremendous upgrade in terms of blocking ability.
4 – RB Donald Brown – A year ago I had no idea who Brown was. Now he might be the most NFL ready of the running backs in the draft. Brown is the best blocker. He is a good receiver. And yes, he can run as well. Brown led the nation in rushing in 2008.
5 – CB Alphonso Smith – This name is not a reaction to the Sheldon Brown situation. I’ve mentioned Smith quite a few times in the past couple of months. He lacks ideal size, but was very productive (21 career interceptions) and has great instincts. He also tackles like a safety.
I know it seems strange to put together a list and not have any offensive linemen or front seven players. I can’t see the Eagles taking a blocker. The Jason Peters acquisition makes the team very talented and deep up front. The defense is deep and pretty young.
I will mention a couple of guys that could slide and be of interest. Defensive back Malcolm Jenkins looked like a top 10 pick all year long, but only runs in the 4.5 range. That probably pushes him down a few spots. It is possible he could slide down farther. Jenkins could be a target at either cornerback or free safety. Defensive end Everette Brown is one of the best pass rushers in the draft. There is speculation he could slide down. If so, the Eagles could take him. You can never have enough top pass rushers.
2 other DEs that could be targets are Aaron Maybin and Robert Ayers. Maybin has the quickest first step in the draft. He has a ton of potential as a pass rusher. Ayers is more of a run defender at LDE who can also slide in to DT on 3rd down. We already have that guy in Victor Abiamiri, but the Eagles love their defensive linemen.
SECOND ROUND
1 – TE Cornelius Ingram – I am not sure if Ingram will last that long, but he did miss the 2008 season with a torn ACL. That could drive down his value and give the Eagles a chance to land him. Ingram is a gifted pass catcher and Reid loves athletic tight ends who add a dynamic dimension to the offense. Ingram is a player the team is high on.
2 – SS William Moore – Quintin Demps is in place as the free safety of the future. Sean Jones and Rashad Baker each have one-year deals. That leaves a space for a young strong safety. Moore has a great combination of size, skill, and athletic ability. He’s coming off a disappointing season, but he has the potential to be a star in the NFL.
3 – RB Rashad Jennings – The first small school prospect to make the list. Jennings started off at Pitt and then transferred to Liberty because of a family issue. He dominated the I-AA level. Jennings played well at the Senior Bowl and showed excellent athletic ability at the Combine.
4 – TE Jared Cook – Cook might be the most talented tight end in the entire draft. He has size, speed, and athletic ability. He makes some incredible catches and is an underrated blocker. He left South Carolina after his junior season and never put up huge numbers. I think that was more due to erratic quarterback play than anything Cook did.
5 - CB Kevin Barnes – If the Eagles want a cornerback with some size, Barnes could be a guy of definite interest. He is 6-0 and 187 pounds. Barnes was having a terrific senior year when a shoulder injury sidelined him. He can cover, hit, tackle, and make plays.
Any potential sliders who could be of interest? Receiver Brian Robiskie is one guy who comes to mind. I’m not sure there is any way he makes it all the way down to pick 53, but if he slides anywhere close the Eagles could explore a trade up to get him.
THIRD ROUND
1 – LB/DE David Veikune – I list him as a linebacker / defensive end. Veikune could play either spot. He was an end at Hawaii and proved to be a good pass rusher. He’s also a quality run defender and would fit in nicely as a backup on the left side. I could also see the Eagles thinking of him as a strongside linebacker. He has the agility and motor to make the transition. Both Chris Gocong and Stewart Bradley were picked in the third round.
2 – TE Travis Beckum – Should the Eagles not land a tight end earlier, Beckum could be an ideal target in the third round. He has great hands and could be an excellent addition to the passing game. His blocking needs work, but he will at least give good effort in that area.
3 – CB Bradley Fletcher – Another corner with some size. Fletcher can cover in man or zone. He is a very good tackler and has some playmaking ability.
4 – LB Cody Brown – Brown played defensive end at UConn, but is only 6-2 and 246 pounds. He projects to linebacker in the NFL. Brown is a very physical player despite his size. He should be athletic enough to develop cover skills. I think a 3-4 team could take him before our pick, but it’s possible he slides to the late third.
5 – RB Cedric Peerman – I doubt the Eagles wait this long to take a running back, but you never know how things will play out in the draft. Peerman could be an excellent backup and spot starter. He also has some kickoff return ability. He isn’t the biggest guy, but has good speed and is a very physical runner.
A couple of players who could slide and be of interest would be cornerback Mike Mickens and receiver Juaquin Iglesias. Both guys have good size and production. Both guys were very good college players. They just lack elite speed or ability. The Eagles might have interest in defensive lineman Alex Magee. He played tackle for most of his career, but shifted to end as a senior. Magee could be a swing player like Darren Howard.
The third round is also a spot where Reid has taken I-AA players a few times (Gocong, Brian Westbrook, Brian Smith). Are there any small school guys who could be of interest? Two receivers that could attract the Eagles are Ramses Barden of Cal Poly and Johnny Knox of Abilene Christian. Barden is huge at 6-6 and 227 pounds. Knox was the fastest receiver at the Combine. Both guys were amazingly productive. I think the Eagles would prefer a big receiver to pair with Jackson, but you never know. Cornerback Greg Toler of St. Pauls (VA) is a small school defender that could go in the top 100. Trying to figure out what grade the Eagles have on these players is really hard. I did see the Gocong pick in 2006 and talked about it beforehand. I was caught off guard last year by the Brian Smith selection. Small school prospects are hard to grade.
I'm not going to list guys for the rest of the draft. Things go crazy after the Top 100. One thing to keep in mind late, the Eagles don’t have a 6th or 7th round pick in 2010 so don’t be surprised if they trade a late pick this year to add a pick or two for next year.
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MISC DRAFT INFO
All GE-99 Team
These are my favorite non-1st rounders. Some have good NFL potential, while others are just overachievers that I loved watching the last 6 months.
WR Jarrett Dillard - Rice
WR Mike Thomas - Arizona
TE Travis Beckum - Wisconsin
FB Quinn Johnson - LSU
RB Gartrell Johnson - Colorado State
QB Pat White - West Va
LT Jamon Meredith - South Carolina
LG Andy Levitre - Oregon State
C CJ Davis - Pitt
RG Roger Allen - Missouri State
RT Sebastian Vollmer - Houston
DE Victor Butler - Oregon State
DT Roy Miller - Texas
DT Mitch King - Iowa
DE David Veikune - Hawaii
LB James Holt - Kansas
ILB Jason Phillips - TCU
LB Tyrone McKenzie - USF
S Kevin Ellison - USC
S Deangelo Smith - Cincinnati (played CB and FS this year)
CB Mike Mickens - Cincinnati
CB Macho Harris - Va Tech
* I want the Eagles to take at least 3 guys off this list:
Knowshon Moreno
Donald Brown
Quin Johnson
Hakeem Nicks
Brian Robiskie
Shawn Nelson
Travis Beckum
Sebastian Vollmer
David Veikune
Victor Butler
Cody Brown
Mike Rivera
Otis Wiley
Deangelo Smith
Alphonso Smith
Joe Burnett
* Please avoid:
Chase Coffman - finesse player without top speed
Max Unger - bad fit for us...finesse blocker who needs to pull a lot
Sean Smith - needs to press most of the time
Duke Robinson - addicted to underachieving
Derrick Williams - I hate to be critical of him, but he lacks speed and will drop passes
Shonn Greene - bad fit for us...can't catch, doesn't know how to block, and has academic issues
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* Players the Eagles have shown interest in:
Before the list, keep these 2007 comments from Tom Heckert in mind:
VISITS TO PHILLY
OT Eugene Monroe - Virginia ... likely top 5 pick
OT Andre Smith - Alabama ... top 20 pick
OT Jason Smith - Baylor ... top 10 pick
OT Sebastian Vollmer - Houston ... 4th rounder
TE Brandon Pettigrew - Oklahoma State ... 1st rounder
TE Chase Coffman - Missouri ... mid-rounder
WR Michael Crabtree - Texas Tech ... top 10 pick
WR Hakeem Nicks - UNC ... 1st round pick
WR Percy Harvin - Florida ... probably a 1st round pick
RB Donald Brown - UConn ... likely late 1st rounder
RB LeSean McCoy - Pitt ... 2nd rounder
RB Knowshon Moreno - Georgia ... 1st rounder
RB Kory Sheets - Purdue ... mid round pick
QB Pat White - West Va ... 2nd / 3rd rounder
DE Lawrence Sidbury - Richmond ...2nd rounder
DE Robert Ayers - Tennessee ... mid 1st to early 2nd
DT Alex Magee - Purdue ... late rounder
S Patrick Chung - Oregon ... 2nd, maybe 3rd rounder
S Rashad Johnson - Alabama ... 3rd rounder
CB Kevin Barnes - Maryland ... 2nd / 3rd rounder
CB Vontae Davis - Illinois ... 1st rounder
CB Sean Smith - Utah ... 2nd rounder
CB Bradley Fletcher - Iowa ... mid-rounder
Here is the thread which has full details on players the Eagles have scouted/met with/shown interest in:
http://boards.philadelphiaeagles.com/index...howtopic=533341
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EAGLES VALUE BOARD
1st Round
RB: Knowshon Moreno, Donald Brown, Beanie Wells
TE: Brandon Pettigrew
WR: Michael Crabtree, Jeremy Maclin, Darrius Heyward-Bey, Hakeem Nicks
OT: Eugene Monroe, Jason Smith, Andre Smith, Eben Britton
DE: Brian Orakpo, Everette Brown, Aaron Maybin, Robert Ayers, Michael Johnson, Tyson Jackson
DT: BJ Raji
LB: Aaron Curry, Brian Cushing
ILB: Rey Maualuga, James Laurinaitis
CB: Malcolm Jenkins, Alphonso Smith, Darius Butler, Vontae Davis
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2nd Round
RB: LeSean McCoy, Rashad Jennings
TE: Jared Cook, Shawn Nelson, Cornelius Ingram
WR: Brian Robiskie, Kenny Britt, Percy Harvin
OT: William Beatty, Jamon Meredith, Michael Oher
OC: Eric Wood, Alex Mack, Max Unger
DE: Larry English, Connor Barwin, Lawrence Sidbury
DT: Peria Jerry, Jarron Gilbert, Ron Brace, Ziggy Hood
LB: Clay Matthews, Clint Sintim
S: Louis Delmas, Patrick Chung, William Moore
CB: Sean Smith, Mike Mickens, Kevin Barnes
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3rd Round
RB: Andre Brown, Cedric Peerman
TE: Travis Beckum, James Casey, Chase Coffman
WR: Juaquin Iglesias, Mike Thomas, Austin Collie
OT: Phil Loadholt
OG: Andy Levitre, Kraig Urbik
DE: David Veikune, Paul Kruger
DT: Fili Moala, Corvey Irvin, Alex Magee
LB: Marcus Freeman, Cody Brown
ILB: Jason Phillips
S: Rashad Johnson, Michael Hamlin
CB: Macho Harris, DJ Moore, Ladarius Webb, Bradley Fletcher
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4th Round
RB: Mike Goodson, Javon Ringer
TE: Anthony Hill, Cam Morrah, Richard Quinn
WR: Kenny McKinley, Kevin Ogletree, Mohammed Massaquoi, Ramses Barden, Johnny Knox
OT: Troy Kropog, Sebastian Vollmer, TJ Lang
OG: Tryronne Green, Herman Johnson, Trevor Canfield
OC: Antoine Caldwell, Jonathan Luigs
DE: Brandon Williams
DT: Corvey Irvin, Sen'Derrick Marks
LB: Zack Follett, Jason Williams, Tyrone McKenzie, Gerald McRath, Stanley Arnoux
S: Darcel McBath, Chip Vaughn
CB: Asher Allen, Joe Burnett, Sherrod Martin, Greg Toler
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5th Round
RB: Kory Sheets, Jeremiah Johnson, Arian Foster, Glen Coffee
FB: Quin Johnson, Tony Fiametta, Brannan Southerland
TE: Dan Gronkowski, Kory Sperry
WR: Jarrett Dillard, Patrick Turner, Deon Butler, Louis Murphy, Derrick Williams, Brian Hartline,
OT: Gerald Cadogan, Xavier Fulton, Jose Valdez
OG: Roger Allen, Louis Vasquez
DE: Kyle Moore, Will Davis, Michael Bennett
DT: Terrence Knighton, Sammie Lee Hill, Clinton McDonald
LB: Moise Fokou, Kaluka Maiava, Deandre Levy, Nic Harris, Mike Rivera, Darry Beckwith
ILB: Jasper Brinkley, Scott McKillop
S: David Bruton, Deangelo Smith, Otis Wiley
CB: Coye Francies, Captain Munnerlyn, Chris Owens
Notes
* Brandon Tate isn't listed. He has 46 career catches. He tore his ACL in October. He tested positive at the Combine. Talented player, but too many red flags.
* Jairus Byrd isn't listed. He ran a 4.65 at his Pro Day. The rule of thumb with CBs is that 4.55 is needed to be a starter. There's a little fudge room with that, but not .1 seconds. If the Eagles have a faster time on him (scouts will get different times at different workouts) then taking him in the 4th or 5th would be plausible.
*LB Brit Miller isn't listed. He played MLB this year for Illinois and only looked so-so. Played SAM at an all star game and looked solid. If the Eagles have checked him out as a SAM, could be a late 5th round target.
* Late round / UDFA targets:
TE John Nalbone - Monmouth
TE Zach Miller - Nebraska-Omaha
WR Jamarko Simmons - Western Michigan
WR Brooks Foster - UNC
RB Curtis Brinkley - Syracuse
RB Marlon Lucky - Nebraska
C/G CJ Davis - Pitt
T Garrett Reynolds - UNC
CB Derek Cox - William & Mary
S Sha'reff Rashad - UCF
LB Dan Skuta - Grand Valley State
LB Anthony Heygood - Purdue
LB James Holt - Kansas
LB Russell Allen - SDSU
LB Brad Jones - Colorado
DE Derrick Walker - Illinois
any DT that is 6'3, 310 (there are several guys to choose from)
Eagles retain WR Baskett and sign FA TE Eugene Bright on Thursday.
NFL.com - Eagles retain Baskett, sign Bright
Footballguys - News Blogger
"The Philadelphia Eagles signed wide receiver Hank Baskett to a one-year contract Thursday. The Eagles also signed rookie free-agent tight end Eugene Bright on Thursday. Bright attended high school in suburban Philadelphia and played defensive end at Purdue before going undrafted last year."
Thought I'd share........didn't see this anywhere else in this thread.
NFL.com - Eagles retain Baskett, sign Bright
Footballguys - News Blogger
"The Philadelphia Eagles signed wide receiver Hank Baskett to a one-year contract Thursday. The Eagles also signed rookie free-agent tight end Eugene Bright on Thursday. Bright attended high school in suburban Philadelphia and played defensive end at Purdue before going undrafted last year."
Thought I'd share........didn't see this anywhere else in this thread.
Wouldn't you look foolish if this is actually the deal in place.........? It's just one guys guess. Where is yours? I don't think I've seen it yet. Do you have one?
vinwinephans
Footballguy
FYI - Sigmond Bloom is going to be on ESPN950 today with Jody Mac - very soon - missed exact time.
Kruppe
Footballguy
zenzephyros is not the only one who would look foolish.
zenzephyros
Footballguy
We are not getting Cleveland's #5 pick. It just isn't happening. There is nothing on our team that management would actually part with that would come close to getting the #5 pick. I'll refer you to the NFL draft point system:http://www.sportznutz.com/nfl/draft/draft_...value_chart.htm
The #5 pick is worth 1700 points and the the #21 pick is worth 800 points. The Eagles would have to offer Cleveland the equivalent of more than two #21 picks to get that #5 pick. Conceivably they could offer this year and next year's first, but do you really think they would do that?
On top of that, Cleveland believes that Edwards is worth more than a first rounder or he would already be a Giant. Therefore, in order for Philly to get both Edwards and the #5 in the same trade, they would need to offer a point package worth of picks and players equivalent to 3-4 first rounders. That is just not going to happen.
Not to mention the fact... why on Earth would Philly trade Andrews and S.Brown if they are dependable players that don't make a lot of money. It makes no sense, even if they are a little unhappy. Add to that... any team trading for them would be acquiring a headache unless they extend their contracts. The problem is that these two players' values lie in the fact that they are dependable and don't make a lot of money. If they get a better contract, then they lose their value.
By the way... the actual rumor that ESPN posted was Edwards and a 5th rounder (not the #5) for Andrews and the #21. Although I cannot see this happening, it at least is in the realm of possibility.
IMO... the only WR worth that first rounder is Boldin. My belief is that the organization doesn't think that any of them (i.e. Edwards, Boldin, etc.) are worth that first rounder and huge contract they would have to pay each player. I personally hope that I am wrong, because this team needs a stud WR, but everything I read and hear points to it not happening.
JAA
Footballguy
Youre in the wrong place if you dont like crap on walls ...
zenzephyros
Footballguy
I can see the crap slowly sliding down the wall.
JAA
Footballguy
What does your calculator say about the deal we made last season with Carolina?
Darth Cheney
Footballguy
Are you saying that he's too young to warrant someone coming in to replace him (he's not at 31 years old) or that he's not a good enough player to worry about drafting someone to replace him?
Deranged Hermit
Not cool & Pissed
Who from ESPN is reporting this? Just curious......
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First, you obviously did not understand my reply to your comments. Secondly, this particular posted guess said nothing about Andrews, so you must be confusing this guess with another one, I presume. Thirdly, you have called out this posters guess as being laughable, yet have not made one of your own, as I politely asked for. Me, I don't have a guess....I'm clueless as to what the Eagles are going to do. I don't pretend to think I know (or could guess) either.
Still, it is interesting to see what others might think, even if they are a little off the wall. At least they tried.
One other thing......I do not believe the Eagles need a stud WR.......it would just be very nice to have. As I have stated before somewhere in this thread, I would love to have Boldin. I would still enjoy Edwards though.
Snotbubbles
Footballguy
Throw the pick value chart out. Example: Eagles trade #19 pick (value 875) for #43 (value 470), #109 (value 76) and 2010 first (min value 590). Value 875 for 1136 (min).
So really using the above actual trade, the Eagles would only have to come with maybe 600 value points to trade the 21 for the 5. DH already said that the Eagles added a future pick (I would assume a 2nd which would have about 300-400 point value). DH also said that this deal would blow the Carolina deal away so I assume the value difference would be greater then 250 maybe somewhere like 400-500 difference. Now the only mystery would be how much value does Edwards have to the Browns, and how much value do Sheldon and Reggie have to the Browns. I also assume that if the Browns have interest in Steve Smith, that they would most certainly have interest in Reggie Brown. And Sheldon Brown has value.
It is conceivable that the deal could look like this:
Braylon Edwards + #5
for
Sheldon Brown, Reggie Brown, #21 and 2010 2nd.
EDIT: Not saying that's what I think it is, only that it is plausible that the values add up. I would think the Eagles would want to hold onto Sheldon and deal a DE instead and then take a DE with the 5.
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zenzephyros
Footballguy
I actually mistyped... S.Brown was in the deal too. I don't have a link (unfortunately), but this is what Clayton actually said. My brother heard it with his own ears and laughed over the internet rumors that magically turned the a 5th rounder into the #5 pick.
Deranged Hermit
Not cool & Pissed
Interesting. Not what I heard from my source, but I very well may have mis-heard him. Also interesting Clayton is reporting it. He doesn't usually get much Eagles info, Sal is usually that guy.For what it's worth, this is also the first time I've heard Sheldon's name in that particular deal.
zenzephyros
Footballguy
A difference of less than 200 points is not considered significant if you are Carolina... who wanted Jeff Otah badly. The point chart... which every NFL team follows as their draft trading bible by the way... cannot be used accurately to compare draft picks from different years, because it is common practice for teams seeking out a player in (let's say) the third round of this year's draft... to offer a second rounder from next year's draft as compensation. The Eagles made a tremendous trade last year and took advantage of Carolina's desperation to get their guy. So my question is... who is Cleveland desperate to get in the deal we are giving them?
*I agree that Sheldon Brown has value... he is a good player, but he won't be as valuable to the Eagles or other teams if he gets the contract that he wants. *Steve Smith and Reggie Brown are not comparable... they are not even in the same ballpark. *The trade is still pretty insane. That package would be approximately equal to the #5 pick alone. I like your creativity though.
