***Official*** 2009 Washington Redskins Thread (1 Viewer)

[AB in DC]

I'm on board the Bruce Allen/Jon Gruden bandwagon.

Bruce Allen is the mold from which was built. bad news if he is hired - mark my words. no chance he'd stand up to the owner.

but he's been out of the game for a while...so it would be an ideal hire from Snyder's perspective.

You mean, nine months?I have a feeling you're thinking of someone else.

 

[buster c]

I'm on board the Bruce Allen/Jon Gruden bandwagon.

Bruce Allen is the mold from which was built. bad news if he is hired - mark my words. no chance he'd stand up to the owner.

but he's been out of the game for a while...so it would be an ideal hire from Snyder's perspective.

You mean, nine months?I have a feeling you're thinking of someone else.

I thought he might have been removed before last year. regardless, I think I know who I am talking about.

For 2004, Bruce Allen was hired as general manager. After Allen's arrival, both John Lynch and Warren Sapp were released, stunning many Buccaneer fans. The distracted Buccaneers began the 2004 season with a 1–5 record, their worst start under Gruden. The fading accuracy of kicker Martin Gramatica did not help matters, as the team lost many close games en route to a 5–11 record.

 

[fatness]

Continuing the tradition of random hirings of clueless people for the job, I've figured out who the next Redskin head coach will be:

Paula Abdul

 

[fatness]

Remember, Jim Zorn didn't come to Washington, guns blazing, and lay siege to the head coaching job. He was hired here as a play-caller. It certainly doesn't speak well of Zorn that he's being replaced in that role, but it doesn't speak well of Snydrato, either. It also doesn't speak well of Snydrato that they hired Zorn in stages -- first as offensive coordinator, then as head coach -- and now they're firing him the same way.

Redskins fans have visions of Mike Shanahan and Mike Holmgren and Jon Gruden and Bill Cowher dancing in their heads, but do you think anything that's happened at Redskins Park in the past few years is going to make any of those guys say: "Yup, that's the organization I want to work for! They can't draft, they make bad free agent decisions and the owner is a meddler. Sign me up!"

Tracee HamiltonThe whole article is worth reading. There's no new ground covered, but there are valid criticisms of Snyder, Cerrato, and Zorn in it.

 

[fatness]

There are certain defining moments for sports franchises:

For the Washington Redskins under owner Dan Snyder, that defining moment came late Sunday afternoon before no more than 10,000 fans left from an announced crowd of 79,572.

The Redskins trailed the 0-5 Kansas City Chiefs 12-6 and their offense, having failed to score a touchdown all day, trotted onto the field to try to drive 93 yards in 31 seconds. Quarterback Todd Collins, thrust into the breach by a clearly desperate Coach Jim Zorn, dropped into the end zone to pass and had absolutely no chance to even look for a receiver. The Redskins' tattered offensive line couldn't hold back the Chiefs. Collins tried for a moment to scramble and then went down in a heap in the end zone.

Safety.



This is what has become of the Redskins after 10 years of Snyder's ownership: a quarterback tackled in his own end zone in front of thousands of empty seats while the few fans still around booed angrily as the hapless offense trotted off the field.

John Feinstein

 

[fatness]

Tony Kornheiser, meantime, spent the first half of Sunday's loss in the owner's box, and discussed a little bit about the experience and his chats with Snyder during his ESPN 980 radio show Monday morning. (Podcast here.)

"At the end of the first half, Snyder was not where he normally sits for the entire two-minute drill," Kornheiser said. "And I don't know where he was, because he was in front of me. And I chatted with him at great length, and gave him all my opinions as to what should happen, including that Theismann should be the coach. And it is my opinion, and I'll stay with that until I'm proven wrong, and I'm never gonna be proven wrong because it's not gonna happen.

"But at the end of the half, there began a chant--Sell The Team. Sell The Team. Sell The Team.--that everybody in the box heard. The people in the box were stunned. I don't know that he heard it, because he wasn't there, but the people in the box were STUNNED. And I remember saying to him about two hours before the game, 'If you don't understand this, this is falling on you. ON YOU. Not anybody else, falling on you. And he said--and I will share this--he said 'I'm just so embarrassed for the fans, because I do think we have great fans.'

"And I said, 'Well, why don't you say that out loud somewhere?' And then we talked about what you could do or what you couldn't do, but I'm not an adviser to the team."

Link

 

[Sidewinder16]

Tony Kornheiser, meantime, spent the first half of Sunday's loss in the owner's box, and discussed a little bit about the experience and his chats with Snyder during his ESPN 980 radio show Monday morning. (Podcast here.)

"At the end of the first half, Snyder was not where he normally sits for the entire two-minute drill," Kornheiser said. "And I don't know where he was, because he was in front of me. And I chatted with him at great length, and gave him all my opinions as to what should happen, including that Theismann should be the coach. And it is my opinion, and I'll stay with that until I'm proven wrong, and I'm never gonna be proven wrong because it's not gonna happen.

"But at the end of the half, there began a chant--Sell The Team. Sell The Team. Sell The Team.--that everybody in the box heard. The people in the box were stunned. I don't know that he heard it, because he wasn't there, but the people in the box were STUNNED. And I remember saying to him about two hours before the game, 'If you don't understand this, this is falling on you. ON YOU. Not anybody else, falling on you. And he said--and I will share this--he said 'I'm just so embarrassed for the fans, because I do think we have great fans.'

"And I said, 'Well, why don't you say that out loud somewhere?' And then we talked about what you could do or what you couldn't do, but I'm not an adviser to the team."

Link

Fabulous. Snyder is completely disconnected from the the feelings/thoughts of the average fan and he's getting horrible advice (hiring Theismann as coach ) from anyone who can get close to him.

 

[dgreen]

Tony Kornheiser, meantime, spent the first half of Sunday's loss in the owner's box, and discussed a little bit about the experience and his chats with Snyder during his ESPN 980 radio show Monday morning. (Podcast here.)

"At the end of the first half, Snyder was not where he normally sits for the entire two-minute drill," Kornheiser said. "And I don't know where he was, because he was in front of me. And I chatted with him at great length, and gave him all my opinions as to what should happen, including that Theismann should be the coach. And it is my opinion, and I'll stay with that until I'm proven wrong, and I'm never gonna be proven wrong because it's not gonna happen.

"But at the end of the half, there began a chant--Sell The Team. Sell The Team. Sell The Team.--that everybody in the box heard. The people in the box were stunned. I don't know that he heard it, because he wasn't there, but the people in the box were STUNNED. And I remember saying to him about two hours before the game, 'If you don't understand this, this is falling on you. ON YOU. Not anybody else, falling on you. And he said--and I will share this--he said 'I'm just so embarrassed for the fans, because I do think we have great fans.'

"And I said, 'Well, why don't you say that out loud somewhere?' And then we talked about what you could do or what you couldn't do, but I'm not an adviser to the team."

Link

Fabulous. Snyder is completely disconnected from the the feelings/thoughts of the average fan and he's getting horrible advice (hiring Theismann as coach ) from anyone who can get close to him.

I took the Theismann thing as a joke. I never realized Tony was this close to Snyder. I'd have to congratulate him for telling Snyder that it's all on him.But, come on. How in the world can anyone be stunned by that reaction. Like you said, he is completely disconnected. Has to be. Because there is absolutely no reason anyone in the owner's box should be stunned by that.

 

[renesauz]

As a die-hard life-long Eagles fan, I have no love for the Skins, but the owner and GM are the problem, not the coach.

Expectations were ridiculously high for an under-talented team in a tough division.

I feel bad for Zorn, and I almost feel bad for Skins fans. I'm starting to rethink my answer to "the worst owner in the NFL" poll.

 

[Arizona Ron]

I'm wondering if the Eagles won't be really looking to take out their frustrations from the Oakland game on the Skins next Monday night.Talking about rock bottom?Next Monday, national TV.Skins always play bad on Monday night.Eagles fired up after embarrassing themselves in Oakland.Total chaos in Skins locker room.Plays being called by the guy who doesn't know the terminology or the players, and has been out of the league for 5 years.Whichever QB starts will be behind the worst OL in the league, and the Eagles love to blitz. Whatever fans show up will be Eagles fans or ready to turn on Snyder/Cerrato.This game coming up, friends and neighbors, might be the ugliest since the Body Bag game. I'm wondering about a loss of epic proportions. Hope I'm wrong, but...

 

[TobiasFunke]

As a die-hard life-long Eagles fan, I have no love for the Skins, but the owner and GM are the problem, not the coach.

Expectations were ridiculously high for an under-talented team in a tough division.

I feel bad for Zorn, and I almost feel bad for Skins fans. I'm starting to rethink my answer to "the worst owner in the NFL" poll.

You know things are bad when you're getting pity from fans of this team.

 

[Maroney=Sped]

OK, how about this? Tony Dungy. Mike Vick.

:championship:

If Jon Gruden really wants to install the wildcat as the base formation, wouldn't Michael Vick be the perfect QB for it?

Yes . . . if you run the wildcat all the time.

 

[Maroney=Sped]

I'm on board the Bruce Allen/Jon Gruden bandwagon.

Bruce Allen is the mold from which was built. bad news if he is hired - mark my words. no chance he'd stand up to the owner.



but he's been out of the game for a while...so it would be an ideal hire from Snyder's perspective.

Let's get down to brass tacks here: how's his bingo and/or raquetball game?

 

[DCThunder]

But, come on. How in the world can anyone be stunned by that reaction. Like you said, he is completely disconnected. Has to be. Because there is absolutely no reason anyone in the owner's box should be stunned by that.

Not to get too political and FFA here, but the stunned and disconnected reaction of the DC insiders and celebrities and Snyder to the "SELL THE TEAM" chants is no different from how "stunned" the Democrats in Congress and the MSM were to the "tea parties" and the anger of ordinary Americans about the elitism and condecension coming out of political Washington as shown at "town hall meetings" about the so-called healthcare reform that is about to be shoved down our throats because The One and his minions want it.I think the only sports owner in DC who "gets it" with regard to the fans is Ted Leonsis of the Caps.

 

[TobiasFunke]

But, come on. How in the world can anyone be stunned by that reaction. Like you said, he is completely disconnected. Has to be. Because there is absolutely no reason anyone in the owner's box should be stunned by that.

Not to get too political and FFA here, but the stunned and disconnected reaction of the DC insiders and celebrities and Snyder to the "SELL THE TEAM" chants is no different from how "stunned" the Democrats in Congress and the MSM were to the "tea parties" and the anger of ordinary Americans about the elitism and condecension coming out of political Washington as shown at "town hall meetings" about the so-called healthcare reform that is about to be shoved down our throats because The One and his minions want it.I think the only sports owner in DC who "gets it" with regard to the fans is Ted Leonsis of the Caps.

What could possibly be the motivation for doing this?Take it to the Free For All and I'll happily discuss this with you. I'm here to commiserate with my fellow miserable Redskin fans, not listen to your political ramblings.

 

[dgreen]

Jason Campbell named the starter.

In the few clips I heard of Campbell on the radio yesterday, I liked what he was saying. He was basically saying how he can't worry about pleasing everyone anymore. He just has to go out and play and not worry so much about whether he's doing exactly what he's supposed to do. If he actually follows through with this change, it will be more beneficial than a new play-caller.

 

[buster c]

Jason Campbell named the starter.In the few clips I heard of Campbell on the radio yesterday, I liked what he was saying. He was basically saying how he can't worry about pleasing everyone anymore. He just has to go out and play and not worry so much about whether he's doing exactly what he's supposed to do. If he actually follows through with this change, it will be more beneficial than a new play-caller.

did he say he was going to 'have some fun?'

 

[buster c]

my favorite segment of ESPN's Countdown show - a feature called 'C'mon Man!' - featured our very own #23 Deanna Hall, with her dress on playing touch football with Manningham, Delhomme and Bowe.

C'mon Girl!

6yrs/$54m - defended by most of you in the offseason thread!

you gotta hear me out!!!

 

[dgreen]

Jason Campbell named the starter.In the few clips I heard of Campbell on the radio yesterday, I liked what he was saying. He was basically saying how he can't worry about pleasing everyone anymore. He just has to go out and play and not worry so much about whether he's doing exactly what he's supposed to do. If he actually follows through with this change, it will be more beneficial than a new play-caller.

did he say he was going to 'have some fun?'

Not that I know of. I would have dismissed everything he was saying as cliche if he said that. He seemed genuine. But, I'm just not sure how easily he can flick that switch and go against everything he's been taught.

 

[Marvelous]

So Skin homers ...does Collins start next week?

If it is truly Zorn's decision, i say no way.I suspect that Zorn got a call during halftime to put Todd Collins in. And he complied.

 

[PantherPower]

Oh boy! We can continue to average 1 passing TD per game. HOT DAMN!

 

[Sidewinder16]

my favorite segment of ESPN's Countdown show - a feature called 'C'mon Man!' - featured our very own #23 Deanna Hall, with her dress on playing touch football with Manningham, Delhomme and Bowe.

C'mon Girl!

6yrs/$54m - defended by most of you in the offseason thread!

you gotta hear me out!!!

Because without him, this team has zero interceptions this season. His flaws are frustrating, for sure. But, he brings something to the table that D sorely needed. If you think the team is bad now, it would be even worse without his 3 takeaways.

 

[fatness]

Not to get too political and FFA here, but the stunned and disconnected reaction of the DC insiders and celebrities and Snyder to the "SELL THE TEAM" chants is no different from how "stunned" the Democrats in Congress and the MSM were to the "tea parties" and the anger of ordinary Americans about the elitism and condecension coming out of political Washington as shown at "town hall meetings" about the so-called healthcare reform that is about to be shoved down our throats because The One and his minions want it.

You shouldn't go there in a football thread. Some things are sacred, you know? Football being one of them.But since you did, you missed the bigger example of being completely disconnected and stunned: All the people who consider themselves "real Americans" waking up one morning in November last year and realizing Obama had been elected this country's president because "real Americans" had ####ed it up so much. There's your disconnect.Now, I'll stop too. Back to football.

 

[fatness]

I took the Theismann thing as a joke. I never realized Tony was this close to Snyder. I'd have to congratulate him for telling Snyder that it's all on him.

I took it as a joke too (about Theisman). And if the people in the owner's box were stunned at the "SELL THE TEAM!" chant ---- good. It's fine to be insulated if you have someone on the job taking care of the business well. With the Redskins, Snyder has no such person.

 

[fatness]

"Shanahan told the franchise there was little he could do in the middle of the season for them and that changing coaches during the season in the NFL rarely works,'' a Redskins management source told FanHouse. "Several people that Dan Snyder trusts have suggested, if he makes a move, he should turn it over to secondary coach Jerry Gray. That could still happen.

"We are trying to give Jim every chance to turn it around. The move to [bring in offensive consultant Sherm] Lewis is to take more off Jim's plate, especially the play-calling, because it is not working, and that is where Jim is spending much of his time. Now he can coach the entire team. Let's see where that gets us.''

FanhouseFirst time I've seen a Redskin management source quoted on this one.

 

[fatness]

This doesn't mean that Shanahan won't be the Redskins coach in 2010. And one of his terms (in addition to a salary greater than the $7 million he'll earn from the Broncos by not working) likely will be a request that executive V.P. of football operations Vinny Cerrato be given his walking papers.

This might be why Cerrato and coach Jim Zorn's fates are regarded as being intertwined. If it doesn't work with Zorn and Snyder gets Shanahan, Cerrato will be out, just like he was when Snyder turned the keys over to Marty Schottenheimer in 2001.

PFTI hope that is true.

 

[fatness]

Cooley will be on ESPN tonight at 7.

 

[buster c]

my favorite segment of ESPN's Countdown show - a feature called 'C'mon Man!' - featured our very own #23 Deanna Hall, with her dress on playing touch football with Manningham, Delhomme and Bowe.

C'mon Girl!

6yrs/$54m - defended by most of you in the offseason thread!

you gotta hear me out!!!

Because without him, this team has zero interceptions this season. His flaws are frustrating, for sure. But, he brings something to the table that D sorely needed. If you think the team is bad now, it would be even worse without his 3 takeaways.

You can't say that. That assumes the player who'd have replaced her wouldn't have had any picks and you just can't say that. I'll give DeAnna props for ONE - thing: she knows how to run with the ball. Zorno the Clown should put her in at WR and PR. Then she might get close to earning 50% of her cash.

 

[Sidewinder16]

my favorite segment of ESPN's Countdown show - a feature called 'C'mon Man!' - featured our very own #23 Deanna Hall, with her dress on playing touch football with Manningham, Delhomme and Bowe.

C'mon Girl!

6yrs/$54m - defended by most of you in the offseason thread!

you gotta hear me out!!!

Because without him, this team has zero interceptions this season. His flaws are frustrating, for sure. But, he brings something to the table that D sorely needed. If you think the team is bad now, it would be even worse without his 3 takeaways.

You can't say that. That assumes the player who'd have replaced her wouldn't have had any picks and you just can't say that. I'll give DeAnna props for ONE - thing: she knows how to run with the ball. Zorno the Clown should put her in at WR and PR. Then she might get close to earning 50% of her cash.

Obviously I can't state that as fact. It's simply what I strongly believe. And the point of it all is that with Hall you have to take the poor tackling with the big play ability. That's what he is.But who would have replaced Hall? Would they have been significantly better at generating INTs than the giant goose egg Rogers, Smoot, Tryon, Barnes and Westbrook have been able to produce?

 

[dgreen]

Welcome Levi Jones, say goodbye to Marcus Mason:

Levi Jones and RB signed; Alridge, Mason released

The Redskins have released running backs Anthony Alridge and Marcus Mason and have signed offensive lineman Levi Jones and running back Quinton Ganther.

Both Jones and Ganther were at Redskins Park today working out for coaches and team officials. Both are expected to be at practice tomorrow.

The team also released Glenn Pakulak, who punted in place of Hunter Smith the last two games, and re-signed Renaldo Wynn.

 

[DCThunder]

Welcome Levi Jones, say goodbye to Marcus Mason:

Levi Jones and RB signed; Alridge, Mason released

The Redskins have released running backs Anthony Alridge and Marcus Mason and have signed offensive lineman Levi Jones and running back Quinton Ganther.

Both Jones and Ganther were at Redskins Park today working out for coaches and team officials. Both are expected to be at practice tomorrow.

The team also released Glenn Pakulak, who punted in place of Hunter Smith the last two games, and re-signed Renaldo Wynn.

They should be saying good bye to Rock Cartwright and letting Mason and Aldridge have a chance to show what they can do.

 

[dgreen]

From the Titans website:

Running back Quinton Ganther is a downhill runner who packs substantial power in his 5-foot-9 frame. He is versatile enough to contribute as a featured tailback or a fullback. In his first two years with the Titans, he spent the majority of his time on the team’s practice squad (on active roster Sept. 16-30, 2006 and Oct. 20-Nov. 5, 2007). Then, in 2008, he spent his first full season on the club’s 53-man roster, contributing nine carries for 61 yards and six receptions for 43 yards in 13 games. In pre-draft workouts, he ran the 40-yard dash in 4.56 seconds and bench pressed 430 pounds. He was selected with the Titans’ third pick of the seventh round (compensatory selection, 246th overall) in the 2006 NFL Draft.

Not a speed back to compliment Portis. That makes it a strange transaction. However, I'm intrigued by the FB comment. Sellers starting to fall out of favor?

 

[Sidewinder16]

Welcome Levi Jones, say goodbye to Marcus Mason:

Levi Jones and RB signed; Alridge, Mason released

The Redskins have released running backs Anthony Alridge and Marcus Mason and have signed offensive lineman Levi Jones and running back Quinton Ganther.

Both Jones and Ganther were at Redskins Park today working out for coaches and team officials. Both are expected to be at practice tomorrow.

The team also released Glenn Pakulak, who punted in place of Hunter Smith the last two games, and re-signed Renaldo Wynn.

They should be saying good bye to Rock Cartwright and letting Mason and Aldridge have a chance to show what they can do.

Holy crap, no kidding. Who the heck is Quinton Ganther and why is his potential any better than Mason's or Aldrige's?The Levi Jones signing is interesting. There had been some rumblings (here?) about why the 'Skins weren't showing any interest in him and/or Runyan given the current state of the OL.

 

[Sidewinder16]

Who the heck is Quinton Ganther and why is his potential any better than Mason's or Aldrige's?

From the Titans website:

Running back Quinton Ganther is a downhill runner who packs substantial power in his 5-foot-9 frame. He is versatile enough to contribute as a featured tailback or a fullback. In his first two years with the Titans, he spent the majority of his time on the team’s practice squad (on active roster Sept. 16-30, 2006 and Oct. 20-Nov. 5, 2007). Then, in 2008, he spent his first full season on the club’s 53-man roster, contributing nine carries for 61 yards and six receptions for 43 yards in 13 games. In pre-draft workouts, he ran the 40-yard dash in 4.56 seconds and bench pressed 430 pounds. He was selected with the Titans’ third pick of the seventh round (compensatory selection, 246th overall) in the 2006 NFL Draft.

Not a speed back to compliment Portis. That makes it a strange transaction. However, I'm intrigued by the FB comment. Sellers starting to fall out of favor?

Sweet. An answer posted before the question is asked. If this is the case (Sellers falling out of favor) these are significant moves for the middle of the season.

 

[Marvelous]

Welcome Levi Jones, say goodbye to Marcus Mason:

Levi Jones and RB signed; Alridge, Mason released

The Redskins have released running backs Anthony Alridge and Marcus Mason and have signed offensive lineman Levi Jones and running back Quinton Ganther.

Both Jones and Ganther were at Redskins Park today working out for coaches and team officials. Both are expected to be at practice tomorrow.

The team also released Glenn Pakulak, who punted in place of Hunter Smith the last two games, and re-signed Renaldo Wynn.

They should be saying good bye to Rock Cartwright and letting Mason and Aldridge have a chance to show what they can do.

I think Mason has shown what he can do on the field and it is not good. The list time I remember him in on a play was 2 games again. The OL went into pass blocking, all blocking to the left. On the right side, someone comes through and this is Mason's guy to pick up. He completely missed him and TB got a sack. I don't think he saw the field since then.The Aldridge signing points to a disconnect between the coaches and front office. Cerratto obviously signed him, hoping he coudl "provide a spark" (I am getting really tired of that phrase). The coaches apparently did not see enought to even justify activating him.

The Redskins really have roster spots to burn at this point. They should have been bringing in people like Jones a lot earlier.

 

[dgreen]

Levi Jones is a LT. After Samuels went down, we heard how Heyer would be moving to his more natural position of LT where he's more comfortable. So, does Heyer now go back to RT a week after they made excuses for him at RT or can Levi play RT? Or, does Heyer go to the bench and Mike Williams remains at RT.

Here's my current fear. Let's say somehow Levi Jones steps in and does nice job. He looks good. They re-sign him. Then let's also say Mike Williams plays the rest of the year at RT and the team likes what they see there. So, they keep him around. After all this, they mistakenly think they've good at OL for the next few years and, once again, ignore OL in the draft.

 

[Sidewinder16]

Impressive that his Wiki page has already been updated.

Can anyone confirm my assumption/recollection that Jones plays LT?

ETA: Nevermind. Already answered, again.

Good grief, it's like dgreen is in my head.

 

[dgreen]

Can anyone confirm my assumption/recollection that Jones plays LT?

Once again, I answered before you asked.

 

[Sidewinder16]

Can anyone confirm my assumption/recollection that Jones plays LT?

Once again, I answered before you asked.

Your psychic powers are impressive.

 

[dgreen]

So, I started thinking about next year's draft. Fortunately, the team actually has their top 2 picks still (they don't have their 3rd - Jarmon - and 6th - Jason Taylor ). If they end up in the top 5, they could do some immediate damage (assuming Vinny isn't picking). They could land a "can't miss" OL in round 1 and go RB in round 2 to start splitting time with Portis. Or, they could even trade down from a top 5 pick and add a 3rd. Then, they could still go OL in round 1, RB in round 2, and another OL in round 3. Or maybe go OL/OL/RB since good RBs will probably still be there in the 3rd.

 

[jbz]

this is the draft to take an OT.

 

[fatness]

Link

Jones was the Bengals’ 10th overall pick in the 2002 draft and started 89 of 94 games with the team, which terminated his contract in May, making him a free agent. Various knee and leg injuries forced Jones to miss 17 games over the last three seasons.

How many games to get him in shape? Then how many games until he gets hurt? If they were going to sign this guy it should have been weeks ago, so he'd be in game shape now.

 

[fatness]

Not announced yet of course, but Samuels will be out for at least the season and may be retiring.

The bigger of the two additions is Jones, who has 89 starts at left tackle. That can't mean there's a good timetable for Chris Samuels' return. Stephon Heyer clearly struggled against Kansas City.

O'Halloran

 

[fatness]

Levi Jones worked out for the Packers in late September and for the Lions in mid October.

 

[fatness]

PFT

During his Tuesday show on Sirius NFL Radio (via Dan Steinberg of the Washington Post), Gannon compared the situation in Washington to the morass in Oakland.

Gannon shared his observations from the perspective of a 15-minute sit-down with owner Daniel Snyder. (It's unknown whether Gannon tried to order the "gabagoo.") "Well, you know, ironically enough we were kind of going back and forth, between talking about the situation in Oakland," Gannon said. "Honestly, this is crazy. And I'm sitting there saying, 'Is this all that different than in Oakland?' And I didn't want to insult him, but certainly I thought the situation was dire."

So what does Gannon think about the latest move, with coach Jim Zorn designing the game plan and someone else calling the plays?

"It's a mess," Gannon said. "And now they're gonna turn to a guy in Sherm Lewis that's been out of football for five years. I mean, he was lured out of retirement to work as a consultant, 'another set of eyes,' was what Vinny Cerrato said. I don't think it's something the coaches wanted. He doesn't even understand the terminology. When I sat down and talked with some of the coaches, they said, 'Listen, this guy's been out of it, we have different terminology, different verbiage.' My sense is the coaches aren't happy about it. And they don't have time, the coaching staff, to stop and to bring Sherm Lewis up to speed. And I think that this is actually going to turn into a disaster for this organization."

 

[fatness]

Interesting thread to read right now: Jon Gruden fired in TB

 

[Bizkiteer]

Admittedly I don't follow the Redskins much but how can Snyder not see this as an abject failure on his part? I know there aren't many properly functioning mirrors in DC but Snyder can't like what he sees!!!!

You are 100% right, but the real problem is that he doesn't see or acknowledge that his involvement helps to produce this failure.

 

[dgreen]

Not announced yet of course, but Samuels will be out for at least the season and may be retiring.

The bigger of the two additions is Jones, who has 89 starts at left tackle. That can't mean there's a good timetable for Chris Samuels' return. Stephon Heyer clearly struggled against Kansas City.

O'Halloran

I generally like my favorite players to keep playing. But, I kind of want Samuels to retire. He doesn't need to be here for what they're about to go through. He's given this team enough. And, if he stuck around and was declared "healthy", this is an organization that may think LT is good to go and focus on other areas. Fact is, even if was still healthy and playing right now, he'd need to be replaced soon.

 

[ChrisCooleyFan]

So, I started thinking about next year's draft. Fortunately, the team actually has their top 2 picks still (they don't have their 3rd - Jarmon - and 6th - Jason Taylor ). If they end up in the top 5, they could do some immediate damage (assuming Vinny isn't picking). They could land a "can't miss" OL in round 1 and go RB in round 2 to start splitting time with Portis. Or, they could even trade down from a top 5 pick and add a 3rd. Then, they could still go OL in round 1, RB in round 2, and another OL in round 3. Or maybe go OL/OL/RB since good RBs will probably still be there in the 3rd.

Whos' our QB? Colt? And not McCoy

 

[fatness]

I generally like my favorite players to keep playing. But, I kind of want Samuels to retire. He doesn't need to be here for what they're about to go through. He's given this team enough. And, if he stuck around and was declared "healthy", this is an organization that may think LT is good to go and focus on other areas. Fact is, even if was still healthy and playing right now, he'd need to be replaced soon.

I feel the same way, I kind of hope he retires. There's no need to risk paralysis after all the work he's done for the team over the years. It's not like he's a young guy trying desperately to make a roster. He's done his share of Pro Bowls and playing hurt. And you're right, if he comes back they'll treat him just like Randy Thomas. They knew last year Thomas would never make a full year again. They knew it at draft time. They knew it in preseason when they prevented him from practicing due to his health. And yet the front office did not one damn thing to plan for that --- no adequate replacement, no adequate backup, nothing, just plug him in. He lasted what, 2 games? And he'll try to come back next year and they'll probably let him, to play 3 plays before being out the whole year and creating another "OMFG WHAT DO WE DO?" emergency on the O-line again.