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*** Official 2010 New York Giants Thread *** (1 Viewer)

I would be very happy if the Giants sign Rolle and Morrison.
Heard Rolle was taking a physical late this afternoon.
Also hearing the Giants are "talking" to Sharper as a backup plan if Rolle doesn't sign.
He would be a good backup plan. They could draft someone like Myron Rolle in the middle of the draft to develop behind the old man. That old man can still play at a high level, though.I am glad Dansby signed with MIA. Now maybe the Giants can get McClain in the 1st or sign Morrison at a more reasonable price. Dansby was so much about the money that I am wondering if he is suddenly not going to be very motivated now that he got that money.
 
I would be very happy if the Giants sign Rolle and Morrison.
Heard Rolle was taking a physical late this afternoon.
Also hearing the Giants are "talking" to Sharper as a backup plan if Rolle doesn't sign.
He would be a good backup plan. They could draft someone like Myron Rolle in the middle of the draft to develop behind the old man. That old man can still play at a high level, though.I am glad Dansby signed with MIA. Now maybe the Giants can get McClain in the 1st or sign Morrison at a more reasonable price. Dansby was so much about the money that I am wondering if he is suddenly not going to be very motivated now that he got that money.
I think that’s a solid backup plan for it would allow Reese to be flexible in the draft without having such a glaring need at any position and go BPA especially early on, hopefully focusing on LB, S, and OL… although I’d really like to see Rolle signed.As far as Dansby, although I heard that the Giants really liked him, and may have been planning to draft him if Arizona didn’t take him when he came out, there were questions if he was a good fit at MLB in a 3-4 set and at the money he got, I’m glad the Giants didn’t take the risk.
 
Also, Carr is out visiting with the 49ers.

Many (non-Giant fans) will only remember him from his shell-shocked Houston days and short stint in Carolina, but I believe some time away from starting and good coaching has made him into a solid NFL QB. Not a #1 pick type, but just the kinda guy you want as a backup.

We'll miss him and Reese will need to bring in a safe vet for I don't want to have to put my faith in Bomar if all goes wrong.

 
More info on Giants aggressively perusing safety options via Giants Insider on Twitter:

Giants in free-agent discussions with at least four safeties - Antrel Rolle, Darren Sharper, Antoine Bethea, and Oshiomogho Atogwe
I'm hoping for Rolle, but I'd be happy with any of those guys over having to rely on Michael Johnson, CC Brown :thumbup: or a rookie.
 
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I am glad they got Rolle. The Giants really need an upgrade at safety, but if he is in fact the highest paid safety in history that tempers my happiness. He had better be a great player for the Giants or this could wind up being a bad deal. If he truly was the best safety in the NFL I wouldn't be concerned, but he is not.

 
He was pretty much the best guy available at the right time so he got the big money

As a Giants fan I can only hope that he lives up to the contract

I see the Eagles let Witherspoon go. Does he have anything left in the tank?

 
I am glad they got Rolle. The Giants really need an upgrade at safety, but if he is in fact the highest paid safety in history that tempers my happiness. He had better be a great player for the Giants or this could wind up being a bad deal. If he truly was the best safety in the NFL I wouldn't be concerned, but he is not.
The way contracts are escalating in the NFL, just because you are the highest paid doesn't mean you are supposed to be the best. It just means you're pretty good and signed your contract most recently.It's the nature of the beast for every team at every position so it's nothing to be worried about.
 
I am glad they got Rolle. The Giants really need an upgrade at safety, but if he is in fact the highest paid safety in history that tempers my happiness. He had better be a great player for the Giants or this could wind up being a bad deal. If he truly was the best safety in the NFL I wouldn't be concerned, but he is not.
The way contracts are escalating in the NFL, just because you are the highest paid doesn't mean you are supposed to be the best. It just means you're pretty good and signed your contract most recently.It's the nature of the beast for every team at every position so it's nothing to be worried about.
I understand that but these deals can still wind up being bad for the team. It's the bad teams like WAS who sign guys to overpriced contracts which wind up biting them in the end, but it's a cycle since that is a big reason why those teams are bad in the first place. I just hope this isn't one of those deals. I usually prefer to let other teams sign free agents who are good but not great to contracts that are the highest for his position in history and then my team signs a guy like Sharper or Clark, both of whom can be just as good as Rolle but should come at a much lower price. I do think Rolle provides a great upgrade over what they had, though, so I am optimistic.
 
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Anything you NYG homers can tell us about Jonathan Goff? Is it unthinkable that he'll be the starting MLB for the Giants this year?

 
39407 said:
Anything you NYG homers can tell us about Jonathan Goff? Is it unthinkable that he'll be the starting MLB for the Giants this year?
Well, he's currently the Giants starting MLB, but that doesn't mean mch.Lost most of his rookie year to various injuries and starting the last 5 games last year when Pierce was injured.He's a smart player who showed some improvement but I'd say the odds are good that the Giants will draft a MLB pretty high in the draft meaning Goff, a former 5th round pick, will have to compete for the job at best.So no "unthinkable", but I'm thinking less than likely as well.
 
39407 said:
Anything you NYG homers can tell us about Jonathan Goff? Is it unthinkable that he'll be the starting MLB for the Giants this year?
He a good back up, but I don't think he'll be the starter, unless the Giants aren't able to land a MLB in the draft early or injuries put Goff back in as the starter.
 
39407 said:
Anything you NYG homers can tell us about Jonathan Goff? Is it unthinkable that he'll be the starting MLB for the Giants this year?
He a good back up, but I don't think he'll be the starter, unless the Giants aren't able to land a MLB in the draft early or injuries put Goff back in as the starter.
The problem with Goff is that the sample size of his work in the NFL is so small, Giants really don't know what they have in him and I don't think the Giants can risk rolling with what they have at LB so unless Goff wow's in camp, I'd expect a high draft pick or some vet signing like Morrison to be starting in the middle next year.
 
how happy are the giants with boss? is there any chance that beckum moves into the starting TE role?
I expect Beckum will take over as the receiving TE and Boss as the blocker. But it really depends on Bekum's health and how he develops. Gilbride said in camp last summer that with the amount of camp Beckum missed due to injury, 2009 would likely be a wash for him. According to FFO, the Giants ran better in 2008 without a FB in the backfield, if that holds true for 2009, maybe there will be more 2 TE sets, so maybe he'll get enough snaps to develop quickly. Though in this offense only the #1 TE will be fantasy worthy.I think we've seen what Boss can do, he's hit his ceiling. He's a solid, reliable TE but I don't think he's going to break into the top tiers of TEs.With Nicks, Smith, and Manningham getting looks any TE will have trouble getting looks. I don't expect Beckum to take the #1 in 2010, 2011 is when I'd predict him to move up the depth chart.
That is because their FB is extremely overrated. he is a pretty good run blocker who has NO offensive game at all and does not need to be accounted for. Hedgecock is not very valuable IMO
 
If the Giants lose out to the Dolphins for Dansby might not be all bad because it might lead to McClain (LB Alabama) dropping to the Giants at 15.I would be happy if they got Rolle and ended up drafting McClain
This is the plan we should all hope for.
 
If the Giants lose out to the Dolphins for Dansby might not be all bad because it might lead to McClain (LB Alabama) dropping to the Giants at 15.I would be happy if they got Rolle and ended up drafting McClain
This is the plan we should all hope for.
I'm warming up to the idea of Witherspoon as well.
I dunno. The Iggles made no attempt to hold on to Spoon and we've seen how well we've done picking up their rejects. I like Spoon but I don't want to have to rely on him.
 
If the Giants lose out to the Dolphins for Dansby might not be all bad because it might lead to McClain (LB Alabama) dropping to the Giants at 15.

I would be happy if they got Rolle and ended up drafting McClain
This is the plan we should all hope for.
I'm warming up to the idea of Witherspoon as well.
I dunno. The Iggles made no attempt to hold on to Spoon and we've seen how well we've done picking up their rejects. I like Spoon but I don't want to have to rely on him.
Oops.Meant Weatherspoon.

 
im hoping the giants land morrison.... we can go after a DT or even stretch it out a bit and get a quality RB or take advantage of the dropping of d.bryant

 
Is Weatherspoon a MLB?

Also is he a top 15 player or can the Giants maybe move down a bit and still get him

 
Is Weatherspoon a MLB?Also is he a top 15 player or can the Giants maybe move down a bit and still get him
I've seen him projected to be WLB and MLB, depending on who you talk to. Very athletic specimen who would bring speed to the position. I've read rumors that a number of teams are looking at him from mid teens down to the bottom of the first round.Would 15 be too early to take him? Maybe maybe not, but if Spikes running a 5 seconds 40 scares you away and you want the top tier of LB who are suited to play in the middle of a 4-3, from what I'd read and seen, the tier probably ends after McClain or Weatherspoon and I'd hate to see the Giants trade down and miss out on both just to pick up an extra 3rd... unless they make pre-draft moves to sure up the position.
 
Spikes is la good option to fill the Mike backer position. However he's likely going to be a two down player as that relative lack of speed will have him on the sidelines in passing downs.

 
Spikes is la good option to fill the Mike backer position. However he's likely going to be a two down player as that relative lack of speed will have him on the sidelines in passing downs.
I think the 40 time is a vastly overrated stat as and one should only really take notice if they are unusually low or unusually high.Having said that a 5 second 40 for a LB is horrific.I wouldn't want to touch him until at least the 3rd myself.
 
Been a little out of the loop the last few days -- has there been any talk at all of the possibility of looking at McCourty in Round 2...? Can't see where a potential starting D backfield of Webster, McCourty, Rolle, and a hope-to-God healthy Phillips would be a bad thing at all...

 
Been a little out of the loop the last few days -- has there been any talk at all of the possibility of looking at McCourty in Round 2...? Can't see where a potential starting D backfield of Webster, McCourty, Rolle, and a hope-to-God healthy Phillips would be a bad thing at all...
What happened to Ross and Thomas?A CB in the second round looks like a luxury pick to me.
 
GordonGekko said:
This team is a classic case of a team trying to extend a "run" that simply wasn't there.

Their SuperBowl victory was, no offense to Giants fans and I am not a Giants hater nor a Patriots homer, a fluke. They had a series of good drafts and good pickups and everything kind of came together that year. They might have had a chance the next year except Burress completely self destructed.

They overpaid Canty and now they've overpaid Rolle. They are paying average players money that is typically set for stars. This is a team that simply needs to reload in a practical way but doesn't want to accept that their good solid run is over now with their current core players. You can't win by overpaying average players in FA ( The 49ers signing Gabe Wilkins comes to mind as a classic case of desperation )

This is a team that needs to go back to basics and succeed through the draft and take the growing pains that comes along with all of that. But it's New York, with the Super Bowl win, expectations are set that winning a ring every year is the only acceptable option.
Much of this makes little sense to me.They are a team trying to get better.

Weakness at safety?

Sign Rolle. You think they overpaid? Fine. But in an upcapped year and filling their biggest need I don't see much harm.

They are doing what all NFL teams should do. Try to get better especially at their positions of weakness through the draft and free agency. It sounds like your suggesting they should blow the whole thing up and trade away Eli Manning or any good vet they have for a couple of firsts and "reload in the draft".

This is the NFL of 2010 and unless you're a bottom feeder like the Lions or Chiefs have been, there is no need to take years of "growing pains" to be competitive again.

Reload and retool with a combination of FA moves and draft and take a shot every year.

 
Obviously the Giants took a step backwards last season by ending their four year playoff appearance run but I am not convinced that they are in complete rebuilding mode.

Yes most (almost all) of the free agent pick ups on the defensive side of the ball didn’t work out as planned. Canty and Bernard didn’t do anything (there were some injury issues for both guys), Boley was just ok and CC Brown was just horrible (he was really just supposed to be a backup but when Phillips got hurt he was forced into action)

I understand that they probably overpaid for Rolle but market was what it was. He fills a need and allows the Giants to be a bit more flexible in the draft.

On the offensive side of the ball I think everyone was pleasantly surprised with how well the WR’s turned out. I think that they will and need to address the OL in this draft. The OL has been very good during the playoff run but they are starting to get old. Three of the starters are in their 9th year or greater so adding some talented youth into the mix is a must.

I guess what I am getting at is that I think with a decent draft and some guys getting healthy the Giants are a playoff team again in 2010

 
I also don't think the team is in rebuilding mode either. The defensive FAs didn't make the impact the team expected, but there were a lot of injuries that started in camp and the whole defensive scheme didn't work. It's too early to call that group of FAs busts.

We need a MLB for defense and the Giants pick this year is where they should be able to get one of the top 2 and those players are suited for the mike position. The team is set at Dline, CB, & Safety, if the news that Phillips is ok and on schedule like we've been told.

QB is set and Smith, Nicks, and Mannigham make a good trio. Boss is solid.

Seubert and McKenzie are on the decline and O'Hara, 33 in June will need to be replaced soon too. Beatty played well except for his last two games, if he becomes a starter then Diehl could go to RG or RT, and we'd have Seubert or McKenzie as a really good back up. That'll give the team a couple of years to find 2 more starters.

By the time the line is set once again, Jacobs will probably only be a short yardage back and we'll know if there's a main back amongst Bradshaw, Brown and Johnson or a RBBC.

So if we get that MLB this draft, over the next couple years we will need 2 O-linemen and then possibly a RB and OLB if Boley still struggles.

Oh, we also need a kicker this season.

 
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GordonGekko said:
This team is a classic case of a team trying to extend a "run" that simply wasn't there.

Their SuperBowl victory was, no offense to Giants fans and I am not a Giants hater nor a Patriots homer, a fluke. They had a series of good drafts and good pickups and everything kind of came together that year. They might have had a chance the next year except Burress completely self destructed.

They overpaid Canty and now they've overpaid Rolle. They are paying average players money that is typically set for stars. This is a team that simply needs to reload in a practical way but doesn't want to accept that their good solid run is over now with their current core players. You can't win by overpaying average players in FA ( The 49ers signing Gabe Wilkins comes to mind as a classic case of desperation )

This is a team that needs to go back to basics and succeed through the draft and take the growing pains that comes along with all of that. But it's New York, with the Super Bowl win, expectations are set that winning a ring every year is the only acceptable option.
Much of this makes little sense to me.They are a team trying to get better.

Weakness at safety?

Sign Rolle. You think they overpaid? Fine. But in an upcapped year and filling their biggest need I don't see much harm.

They are doing what all NFL teams should do. Try to get better especially at their positions of weakness through the draft and free agency. It sounds like your suggesting they should blow the whole thing up and trade away Eli Manning or any good vet they have for a couple of firsts and "reload in the draft".

This is the NFL of 2010 and unless you're a bottom feeder like the Lions or Chiefs have been, there is no need to take years of "growing pains" to be competitive again.

Reload and retool with a combination of FA moves and draft and take a shot every year.
;) I love how he has now deleted his post.
 
PFW's take on the 2 MLBs most have mentioned for the Giants pick.

http://www.profootballweekly.com/2010/03/2...10-lb-prospects

2. ILB Rolando McClain

Alabama junior

Ht: 6-3 3/8 | Wt: 254 | Sp: 4.7e | Arm: 33 | Hand: 9 3/8

Notes: Parade All-American who also played basketball as a prep. As a true freshman in 2007, started 9-of-13 games at the "Mike" linebacker and posted 75 tackles, five for loss and one sack with four pass breakups and two interceptions. Battled through a broken thumb and dislocated shoulder suffered against Colorado in the Independence Bowl. Survived a May '08 motorcycle accident with just a two-centimeter hole in his foot and skin damage. Started all 14 games at ILB spot in '08, tallying 95-12-3 with six pass breakups and one interception. Lacerated his right thumb against Mississippi, but had the injury stitched up before returning. Won the Butkus Award in '09 after leading the team in tackles by totaling 105-14 1/2-4 with four pass breakups, two interceptions and a forced fumble in 14 starts. Team captain. Did not work out at the Combine (hamstring). Disclosed he suffers from Crohn's Disease, an inflammatory disease of the intestines.

Positives: Has a pro-ready body with excellent size and length. Instinctive and football smart. Reads and reacts instantly. Sniffs out screens and draws. Natural bender with fluid movement skills. Good balance and body control. Excellent run defender - does not hesitate to blast the lead blocker and has good take-on strength. Attacks downhill and fills gaps quickly. Uncoils on contact and punishes ballcarriers. Athletic ability shows up in pass coverage - gets good depth in zone drops and runs with backs and tight ends in coverage - reacts to the thrown ball. Tough and will play hurt. Trusted on-field leader - lines up the defense and makes checks and audibles. Made an immediate impact and was a three-year starter at a premier program.

Negatives: Is high-hipped with long legs and tends to play too tall. Lacks great top-end speed and range. Overruns some plays. Not a thumper between the tackles and misses some tackles when he dips his head and tries to shoulder down ballcarriers. Can do a better job breaking down to tackle in space. Has to be schemed free as a blitzer - does not create a surge or use his hands well to accelerate off blocks. Does not play with abandon and throttles down on some plays. Lacks an intimidation factor.

Summary: Big-framed, long-limbed playmaker who is far and away the top inside linebacker available in this year's class. Possesses a unique blend of size, athletic ability and football smarts to step into a "30" front and start immediately.

NFL projection: Top-15 pick.

3. WLB-MLB Sean Weatherspoon

Missouri senior

Ht: 6-1 1/4 | Wt: 239 | Sp: 4.66 | Arm: 31 1/4 | Hand: 10 1/4

Notes: Linebacker-receiver who also starred in track and basketball as a prep. As a true freshman in 2006, was named the Tigers' special-teams player of the year after appearing in all 13 games and recording 17 tackles, one for loss and zero sacks with one blocked kick. Stepped into the lineup at weak-side linebacker as a sophomore, starting all 14 games in '07. Totaled 130-9 1/2-3 with eight pass breakups and two forced fumbles. Underwent surgery to repair a torn labrum in his left shoulder following '08 spring practice. Started all 14 games in '08, tallying 155-18 1/2-5 with seven breakups, three interceptions (two touchdowns) and two forced fumbles. Piled up 111-14 1/2-4 1/2 with two pass breakups, one interception and one forced fumble in 13 starts in '09. Led the team in tackles his final three seasons. Team captain.

Positives: Is active and flies around the field. Has outstanding straight-line speed and an explosive short-area burst (40-inch vertical). Excellent balance - plays on his feet. Flows fast and shows outstanding range and closing speed. Good reactions in zone coverage. Striking tackler - hits with thump and uncoils on contact. Intense. Outstanding production. Bench-pressed 225 pounds 34 times at the Combine.

Negatives: Less-than-ideal size and arm length. Inconsistent play speed - throttles down at times. Does not have great eyes. Is a bit tightly wound and shows stiffness in his hips - struggles to sink his weight and break down in space. Plays heavy-legged. Does not change direction smoothly and can be run out by misdirection. Stays hung up on blocks and can be engulfed. Plays upright and could get knocked around between the tackles. Does not sift through clutter efficiently. Will lower his head and miss some tackles. Runs his mouth, draws attention to himself and carries a false bravado that could rub veterans the wrong way. Focus will have to be monitored - could be distracted by the trappings of success.

Summary: An intense, fast-flowing, productive, search-and-flow weak-side 'backer with first-round measurables, Weatherspoon is not universally liked amongst scouts. Is viewed by some decision makers as a potential locker-room toxin because he talks too much and carries a prima donna attitude. Is not for everybody and would be best served landing in a strong, veteran locker room where teammates hold him accountable.

NFL projection: First-round pick.

I've seen some recent mock drafts where the prediction for the Giants pick is odd to me. Two has them taking a DE, they feel Osi is going to force a trade or retire. I don't think that'll hapen, even if it did, we have Kiwi to put in as a starter and Canty can play DE if there's an injury and Cofield and Alford are there to fill DT if needed.

Another has CB being taken. Not likely, Webster is entrenched and Thomas and Ross are going to be battling for the #2. I don't see grabbing another unless the CB available is too good to pass up.

 
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Giants signed safety Deon Grant to a one year deal and, in even better news, have rescinded their tender offer to CC Brown.

Some are saying this is evidence that Phillips recovery is not going well / behind schedule but I think this is more of a situation where Reese is focusing on an area of weakness and building depth but like he tried to do with the DT position last year.

Also, the Giants have resigned Jeff Feagles.

 
bigern1000 said:
Yenrub said:
Seems like a good move for the Giants

Grant is an upgrade over CC Brown
Understatement...
:shrug: yes it wasI don't think this move means that the Giants won't draft a S in this draft

Maybe Rolle from FSU or the kid from LSU (can't remember his name)

 
bigern1000 said:
Yenrub said:
Seems like a good move for the Giants

Grant is an upgrade over CC Brown
Understatement...
:shrug: yes it wasI don't think this move means that the Giants won't draft a S in this draft

Maybe Rolle from FSU or the kid from LSU (can't remember his name)
I don't think the G-Men will take Rolle in the 2nd (then again, I haven't exactly been confused for a draftnik -- see earlier in this thread where I had a brain fart about Thomas/Ross when asking about McCourty), but if he's still hanging around in the 3rd, I think that would be the perfect place to snag him. Intelligence, character, and ability would be something I think would be very tough for Reese to pass on...
 
I kind of hope the Giants don't trade Osi

I wouldn't mind them moving back from 15 and picking up some extra picks in this draft if the stud LB or OL isn't available at 15.

I would be pleased with say Cody from Alabama if they moved down to the 20's plus the extra 2nd or 3rd round pick (whatever the compensation is to move down 5 to 7 spots)

 
The Giants will reportedly be willing to shop Osi Umenyiora on draft day if they select Jason Pierre-Paul with the 15th overall pick.

Umenyiora "can be had for the right price," according to Mike Lombardi of the National Football Post.

Though Umenyiora is coming off a poor season, he is due manageable money over the life of his contract and could probably use a change of scenery. He may also be available for as little as a mid-round pick. Apr. 18 - 9:44 am etSource: National Football Post

I'd rather keep Osi and draft LB or OL with the 15th than trade Osi for a 4th or 5th and draft a DE.

 
I made a this same statement in another thread.

But since the NYG are moving to a passing team(and could be a great one at that)...why don't yall just draft Spiller?

He is a good pass catcher....will add to the return game....and could help the run game as well.

 
The Giants will reportedly be willing to shop Osi Umenyiora on draft day if they select Jason Pierre-Paul with the 15th overall pick.

Umenyiora "can be had for the right price," according to Mike Lombardi of the National Football Post.

Though Umenyiora is coming off a poor season, he is due manageable money over the life of his contract and could probably use a change of scenery. He may also be available for as little as a mid-round pick. Apr. 18 - 9:44 am etSource: National Football Post

I'd rather keep Osi and draft LB or OL with the 15th than trade Osi for a 4th or 5th and draft a DE.
I agree 100% with keeping Osi instead of drafting Paul who I see as a project
 
I made a this same statement in another thread.But since the NYG are moving to a passing team(and could be a great one at that)...why don't yall just draft Spiller?He is a good pass catcher....will add to the return game....and could help the run game as well.
I am open to the idea of Spiller but don't think he will be there at 15 and I don't want to see them trade up for any player in this draft (not that they care what I want)I wouldn't be surprised to see them take the kid from Miss St in the 2nd or 3rd as an offensive weapon
 
BBI Online Live Tonight at 8PM: A special pre-draft edition of BigBlueInteractive.com's (BBI's) internet radio show dedicated exclusively to coverage of the New York Giants, BBI Online Live, will air Wednesday night. The show will stream live at 8:00PM EST, but will also be archived for listeners not able to hear it live.

Our guest will be Mike Garafolo, who covers the Giants for The Star-Ledger.

Co-hosts Eric and John will discuss the latest on the Giants. The show will be streamed live at Sports Talk Radio (BlogTalkRadio.com/STCP). Listeners can call in at (347) 826-7213 or send chat questions via the website.

 
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Mike Garafolo, says Osi trade talk isn't coming from Osi. Said it was uncharacteristic that the Giants org. would leak something like that. He doesn't know where Mort got his info and can't confirm or deny that it came out of the Giants or from another team looking to stir the pot.

Also says the Giants don't think LB Weatherspoon is a value at the 15th pick.

 
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So, is this draft HQ for the Big Blue? Getting ready to them do some more draft damage this year as one of th ebest front office's in the game vaults the competition once again.

 
Rd1 pick 15 - Jason Pierre Paul – DE South Florida

Not crazy about the pick but certainly not surprised. The Giants love pass rushers

 

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