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derek245583
Footballguy
Next best thing...Tebow
Mr Anonymous
Footballguy
I thought the word was he's coming back anything short of a Superbowl win.
deep vacuum
Footballguy
Favre will die of old age in his sleep before he willingly stays retired.
Domination
Footballguy
McNabb would look good in purple. He would probably pick up right where Brett left off
KingPrawn
Footballguy
That's what's driving him to play. He wants to put as much distance between his stats and Manning.
The Gatekeeper
Footballguy
I think Favre comes back for one more year but if not I think they try and trade for Mcnabb. I think the Eagles are now at the attitude the Packers were when they decided it was time to go with Rodgers. Kolb looks ready to me and I think a change of scenery does Mcnabb good.
snogger
Footballguy
I'd say 60/40 that Favre returns. Most of the offense will be back next year and that will get Favre thinking about one more run.
Harvin & Rice will have more experience as well the Starting Center. The team is built for a return to glory.
The Defense played Lights out the past 3 1/2 games.. If they can get a CB and Safety through the draft and possibly Free agency I think they can be even better in 2010.
Harvin & Rice will have more experience as well the Starting Center. The team is built for a return to glory.
The Defense played Lights out the past 3 1/2 games.. If they can get a CB and Safety through the draft and possibly Free agency I think they can be even better in 2010.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Agreed...and McNabb with Childress could be a nice move for a few years while the Vikes still have Hutch and the Williams boys going pretty strong.Solid QB that you don't have to develop while Peterson wastes his prime years to
n Favre though...how soon do you think they want him to decide?Will they give him a timeline? Will that bother him having any sort of deadline?By the draft?
jestertj
Footballguy
Did we lose Ced Griffin for next year on kickoff coverage in OT? Will Favre return? Will Big Pat come back? Will EJ ever play again?
The OL, LB and CB/S still need upgrades.
What do you do with the greatest fumbler in Viking history?
Unless Bret returns, we'll be 9-7/10-6 praying for a wildcard.
The OL, LB and CB/S still need upgrades.
What do you do with the greatest fumbler in Viking history?
Unless Bret returns, we'll be 9-7/10-6 praying for a wildcard.
snogger
Footballguy
Not sure on wild card.. The NFC Central faces the AFC East and the NFC East. 9-7 or 10-6 will probably win the division with that schedule.
and I think we are set very well at LB.. The Rookie stepped up when he absolutely had to and Leber and Greenway are top notch.OL needs some young blood, but with the center getting a year under his belt as a starter he should be better next year.
CB/S I 100% agree on.. Need to find someone through Free agency and the draft as well as take another "prospect" QB in the 3rd or 4th round.
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The Gatekeeper
Footballguy
I think they know by now that Favre won't adhere to any kind of deadline so if I were them I would just leave him alone and let him decide on his own. In the meantime, I would spend every waking second on developing Tarvaris Jackson and I would also spend a high pick like a 2nd or 3rd on a QB to develop. If training camp looms and Brett is undecided still after 5 or so months left alone to heal and ponder, then I would make a play for Mcnabb somewhere at the end of July. I think Mcnabb could walk into this offense and do well with only a couple of weeks of preparation. The Eagles could then start with Kolb as their guy the first day of training camp like the Packers did with Rodgers. I don't think Kolb is as talented as Rogers but I do think he is a very good system QB and seems that the system in Philly fits him. The looming lockout in 2011 might make Philly make a move for a pick or two for Mcnabb in this upcoming draft instead of of 2011 picks so this scenario probably is a longshot unless Favre comes out quickly and retires then Minnesota could go full speed for Mcnabb with picks from this draft.Agreed...and McNabb with Childress could be a nice move for a few years while the Vikes still have Hutch and the Williams boys going pretty strong.Solid QB that you don't have to develop while Peterson wastes his prime years to
JuSt CuZ
Footballguy
I'm sure the Vikings can't wait to be held hostage until August, LOL
Now you get to see what the Packers fans seen. The Jets were smart, they released him before he could do that to them, and then they drafted a QB to get the to the AFC champ game. Now what to do at the QB position, seeing as how the front office I'm sure is wondering the same thing...Do they draft a QB, sign one, or hope Favre returns and if he dont just roll TJax.
Yup Minny fans, are you glad he came back now? I am, as a loyal Saints fan, TY, TY, TY for being the Brett Favre I known and love, the interception queen, and choker!
Get out of the league now, so the league can move on and pay no attention to ur dramatic self.
I'm callin it....He wasnt hurt, just wanted the dramatic story if he won, but opps, backfire...I bet hes walkin fine in private.
Great QBs dont throw picks in Conference championship games, in crucial scenerios...
Now you get to see what the Packers fans seen. The Jets were smart, they released him before he could do that to them, and then they drafted a QB to get the to the AFC champ game. Now what to do at the QB position, seeing as how the front office I'm sure is wondering the same thing...Do they draft a QB, sign one, or hope Favre returns and if he dont just roll TJax.
Yup Minny fans, are you glad he came back now? I am, as a loyal Saints fan, TY, TY, TY for being the Brett Favre I known and love, the interception queen, and choker!
Get out of the league now, so the league can move on and pay no attention to ur dramatic self.
I'm callin it....He wasnt hurt, just wanted the dramatic story if he won, but opps, backfire...I bet hes walkin fine in private.
Great QBs dont throw picks in Conference championship games, in crucial scenerios...
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sho nuff
Footballguy
snogger
Footballguy
As a guy that has been very critical of Favre...even Iat this post.
I'd like to know why anyone thinks the Vikings will be held hostage on the decision by Favre 
They have Rosenfel signed, who was to be the the starter this year if Favre didn't come back. They have TJ as a decent 2nd QB and no matter what Favre does will probably draft a "prospect" QB..Thinking the Vikings won't make any decisions while they wait on Favre is 
The only way it could affect them is if you think they might go after McNabb if Favre were to come out and say No more.. Otherwise his decision will have no impact at all on how the Vikings staff goes into the off season.
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sho nuff
Footballguy
Well...not held hostage.But I don't think they feel to comfortable with Tarvaris otherwise Sage would not have been brought in (and isnt' his deal done anyway...TJ's?)...and would not have pursued Favre so hard.Even so...we heard from Vikings fans all year that this team was 8-8 at best without Favre. That with a much easier schedule than what next year's looks like.Agree they will likely draft a prospect.But with this team...are you comfortable with TJ or a rookie starting QB next year...or Sage?As a guy that has been very critical of Favre...even I
Bull Dozier
Footballguy
I don't think Jackson is signed for next season. Rosenfels is. This is the way I see it playing out:-Vikes tell Favre take all the time you need. If he comes back, I see another late announcement where he comes in right before training camp. If he retires, he announces early, but of course that doesn't mean anything until camp starts (or shortly after it starts)-Team tell Rosenfels he's the likely starter, and prepare for it...unless Favre comes back. Rosenfels is under contract, so he's got no choice but to do it.-Jackson signs elsewhere if he can. I'm not sure of his RFA status, if the Vikes would tender him.-Vikes draft a mid round QB for a project.-If Favre comes back, Favre is the starter, Rosenfels backs up, rookie as the third. Team in a tough race for division with GB.-If Favre doesn't come back, Rosenfels starts, a vet QB or Booty is signed as the backup, and rookie is the third, team is shellacked in next years schedule.Well...not held hostage.But I don't think they feel to comfortable with Tarvaris otherwise Sage would not have been brought in (and isnt' his deal done anyway...TJ's?)...and would not have pursued Favre so hard.Even so...we heard from Vikings fans all year that this team was 8-8 at best without Favre. That with a much easier schedule than what next year's looks like.Agree they will likely draft a prospect.But with this team...are you comfortable with TJ or a rookie starting QB next year...or Sage?As a guy that has been very critical of Favre...even I
snogger
Footballguy
PrettyI don't think Jackson is signed for next season. Rosenfels is. This is the way I see it playing out:-Vikes tell Favre take all the time you need. If he comes back, I see another late announcement where he comes in right before training camp. If he retires, he announces early, but of course that doesn't mean anything until camp starts (or shortly after it starts)-Team tell Rosenfels he's the likely starter, and prepare for it...unless Favre comes back. Rosenfels is under contract, so he's got no choice but to do it.-Jackson signs elsewhere if he can. I'm not sure of his RFA status, if the Vikes would tender him.-Vikes draft a mid round QB for a project.-If Favre comes back, Favre is the starter, Rosenfels backs up, rookie as the third. Team in a tough race for division with GB.-If Favre doesn't come back, Rosenfels starts, a vet QB or Booty is signed as the backup, and rookie is the third, team is shellacked in next years schedule.Well...not held hostage.But I don't think they feel to comfortable with Tarvaris otherwise Sage would not have been brought in (and isnt' his deal done anyway...TJ's?)...and would not have pursued Favre so hard.Even so...we heard from Vikings fans all year that this team was 8-8 at best without Favre. That with a much easier schedule than what next year's looks like.Agree they will likely draft a prospect.But with this team...are you comfortable with TJ or a rookie starting QB next year...or Sage?As a guy that has been very critical of Favre...even I
But I think the division is up for grabs next year with or without Favre. Favre comes back, they stick with, IMO, too much passing. Rosenfel is the starter and they go back to the "Bread & Butter" of relying on the Defense and running game.
sho nuff
Footballguy
True...but with Favre, they are likely the favorite in the division.Without him? Id say Green Bay is.
snogger
Footballguy
Even with Favre I think The Packers will be listed as the favorites. But it is going to be a tough road for both teams.. 
sho nuff
Footballguy
I think Minny will still be favorites...of course...depends what GB does this offseason. Questions of their own on the OL and safeties.
Domination
Footballguy
The Vikings could/should go back to running more and good defense.
That being said, they have quite a few older veterans, and I think that it would be foolish to think that they can succeed with Rosenfels or TJ. They should definitely think of going a different direction if Favre strings them along. This was the perfect spot for him, there is no other job in the league that would be as appealing.
Favre loves to look like a football god, and if he were to retire late and leave the Vikings scrambling, their likely demise would only build on his already over-inflated ego.
That being said, they have quite a few older veterans, and I think that it would be foolish to think that they can succeed with Rosenfels or TJ. They should definitely think of going a different direction if Favre strings them along. This was the perfect spot for him, there is no other job in the league that would be as appealing.
Favre loves to look like a football god, and if he were to retire late and leave the Vikings scrambling, their likely demise would only build on his already over-inflated ego.
Jason Wood
Zoo York
If there's a thread specifically devoted to this topic already, apologies (and I'll merge this into that as soon as someone provides me the link).
So the Vikings almost made the Super Bowl but fell short mainly due to a ridiculous number of turnovers. While Brett Favre clearly had a big hand in those turnovers, objectively he was the magic elixir for the Vikings this season. His 2009 numbers were astonishing, and he obviously turned an also ran team into a true contender. Assuming Favre retires (I'm not buying it until it happens), what becomes of the Vikings next year? Because it wouldn't just be the loss of Favre's fantasy studly numbers, it would also raise serious questions about Sidney Rice and Percy Harvin, both who have all the makings of perennial offensive stars. Can any QB that realistically could wear Vikings purple next year maintain the fantasy value of the receiving corps?
I know the "McNabb to Minnesota" chatter has already started up but I'm just not buying it. Even if you think the Eagles were open to shipping McNabb, let's remember Favre is under contract for 2010, and there's no way Minnesota brings McNabb aboard unless they're sure Favre is done. Does ANYONE think Favre will make his final decision until training camp? I don't.
Just wondering how everyone thinks this shapes up. I think, health allowing, Favre will be back. But wouldn't it be just like him to actually retire the one time most of us think he won't?
So the Vikings almost made the Super Bowl but fell short mainly due to a ridiculous number of turnovers. While Brett Favre clearly had a big hand in those turnovers, objectively he was the magic elixir for the Vikings this season. His 2009 numbers were astonishing, and he obviously turned an also ran team into a true contender. Assuming Favre retires (I'm not buying it until it happens), what becomes of the Vikings next year? Because it wouldn't just be the loss of Favre's fantasy studly numbers, it would also raise serious questions about Sidney Rice and Percy Harvin, both who have all the makings of perennial offensive stars. Can any QB that realistically could wear Vikings purple next year maintain the fantasy value of the receiving corps?
I know the "McNabb to Minnesota" chatter has already started up but I'm just not buying it. Even if you think the Eagles were open to shipping McNabb, let's remember Favre is under contract for 2010, and there's no way Minnesota brings McNabb aboard unless they're sure Favre is done. Does ANYONE think Favre will make his final decision until training camp? I don't.
Just wondering how everyone thinks this shapes up. I think, health allowing, Favre will be back. But wouldn't it be just like him to actually retire the one time most of us think he won't?
The Gatekeeper
Footballguy
Enjoy getting a beatdown by the Colts in 2 weeks. There is one thing I know for sure and that is losing in the Super Bowl hurts 10 times worse than losing in the Championship game. So you get 2 weeks of drinking and bead throwing (which is all you guys do anyways) and then you will feel worse than I do about the season. Cheers Big Ears!
kwille
Footballguy
Thats funny.
snogger
Footballguy
Well, they had plans to go into this season with Sage as the QB, or at least that is what we were lead to believe. Short of Favre coming out before the draft saying there was no way he was coming back, I don't see the Vikings making a move for McNabb. So, they will go into the summer with two plans:1. With Favre, Sage and whomever they draft (I think they take QB 3rd to 5th round in the draft)2. With Sage, resign TJ and whoever they draft.Again, that changes if Favre comes out before the draft and says
as then I think they make a play for McNabb.
encaitar
Footballguy
Well, Benny Sapp played extremely well in his time as a starter. In fact, I thought he was the best CB on the field the last few games. I am assuming Winfield will be healthy by next season, so these two probably go into the season as starters. Asher Allen was overmatched this year when he was on the field. Another year of offseason workouts may help him, but I would have to assume the Vikings look for another CB to give depth/play nickel.A few possibilities show themselves:Lito Sheppard(NYJ) was benched in the AFC Championship game and most analysts feel he'll be cut before receiving his $10 million roster bonus. He'd be a great pickup if the Vikes could get him to sign.Dunta Robinson(HOU) is a UFA, but likely will be franchised again. Although he had a down year after sitting out training camp last year and Houston might just let him go. Would be a huge boon to get him as he'd be a quality starter.Carlos Rogers(WAS) and Tramon Williams(GB) are probably going to be available, although they could get resigned. Neither are that inspiring.Richard Marshall(CAR) and Leigh Bodden(NE) had very good years and will likely be resigned by their squads.Outside of these guys, no one in FA really strikes me as someone the Vikings would be interested in. There are quite a few decent CBs in the draft, however. I could see Minnesota taking one to help as a nickel next year and eventually becoming a starter.If Earl Thomas(Texas) falls, they have to take him IMO. Seems to be a perfect fit for a cover 2 corner. He likely gets drafted top 20 though. Patrick Robinson(FL ST) might be around in the late first, he would also be a good pick.Anyway, given the NFL's rule governing the top 8 teams, it seems likely that Paymah will be allowed to leave and hopefully the Vikings can fill his spot with a decent CB so they can use the draft on more pressing needs.
jestertj
Footballguy
Star Trib blogging that Winfield re-injured his foot at the end of the game too. Imagine if we had won in OT having to play Indy without Griffin and Winfield.
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Floyd The Barber
Footballguy
LOL. I was thinking the same thing. Minny had stepped on their throat the whole game, but let 'em off the hook. Manning won't make the same mistake.
Tanner9919
Footballguy
stop it, you're cracking me up!you think McNabb,and his 4 failed NFC Championship Games, is better than Favre??!?!!
when was the last time McNabb had a 100+ passer rating for an entire season? or 33/7 td/int?
this team got to this game, because of Favre..they were tied with 5 minutes to go, because of Favre.
McNabb is a never-has-been nobody QB who never-will-be.
he can't hold Favre's jockstrap .he's nowhere near as good as Favre.
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snogger
Footballguy
Calm down there chucky
you think McNabb,and his 4 failed NFC Championship Games, is better than Favre??!?!!
when was the last time McNabb had a 100+ passer rating for an entire season? or 33/7 td/int?
this team got to this game, because of Favre..they were tied with 5 minutes to go, because of Favre.
McNabb is a never-has-been nobody QB who never-will-be.
he can't hold Favre's jockstrap .he's nowhere near as good as Favre.
I think what he meant to say was that IF Favre retires, McNabb would give us a better shot at the NFC Championship game than who we have right noww (Sage or TJ).Maybe
BlueBandit24
Footballguy
For all his faults, I'd happily take McNabb next year as he'd give us a reasonable shot in the NFC; neither Sage nor T-Jack is going to make us a contender. I'm doubtful that he'll be available but if he is (and Favre hangs em' up for good) I'd welcome Donovan.
encaitar
Footballguy
Bears have officially asked permission to interview MIN QB coach Kevin Rogers for their Offensive Coordinator position.
Kevin Rogers
Kevin Rogers
Jason Wood
Zoo York
Kevin Rogers?He's being given credit for what a 41-year old Hall of Famer did stepping back into the exact same offense he ran for the majority of his career? Really? And that article cites his work with Gus Frerotte and Tarvaris Jackson? That would be the same Gus Frerotte and Tarvaris Jackson who were the anchor on an otherwise contending team in Minnesota, right?
sho nuff
Footballguy
Hey it worked for Bevell (well, helped that Childress coached him at Wisconsin too).
I think the biggest question is what to do about Peterson and his fumbles. Taylor is free to go this offseason, and as much as Peterson is capable of the big play, if the passing game takes a step back, I think there needs to be additional RB help. There are some decent names in FA right now: Kevin Faulk, LeRon McClain, and Lendale White- McClain or White could be a bigger short yardage back if they're worried about all the stripped balls.
snogger
Footballguy
Check out the "What's wrong with Peterson" thread.. The info posted there on Top Running backs and their fumbling was
to say the least.
encaitar
Footballguy
No, I don't think Minnesota is looking for a short yardage back. AP hasn't really had fumbling problems in short yardage situations. His problems come more in the open field when he gets careless with ball position. I'm thinking Minnesota resigns Chester, but if not they'll look for another third down type back. Maybe someone like Leon Washington.malice said:
jestertj
Footballguy
That depends on if someone offers CT a starting role and pay to match. He made decent money here, but if wants to get 15+ carries per game, he'll likely have do it elsewhere. If he doesn't mind his role here and thinks the chance to get to the big game is better here, then maybe he stays.
Jeremy
Footballguy
This is where it gets sticky with Favre, though. If he takes his sweet time and then retires, somebody else (like Arizona) might have already moved on McNabb.
deep vacuum
Footballguy
3. Second verse, same as the first, second, third, forth and fifth option. Favre comes out before the draft and saysWell, they had plans to go into this season with Sage as the QB, or at least that is what we were lead to believe. Short of Favre coming out before the draft saying there was no way he was coming back, I don't see the Vikings making a move for McNabb. So, they will go into the summer with two plans:
1. With Favre, Sage and whomever they draft (I think they take QB 3rd to 5th round in the draft)
2. With Sage, resign TJ and whoever they draft.
Again, that changes if Favre comes out before the draft and saysas then I think they make a play for McNabb.
as then the Vikings make a play for McNabb. Two months after signing McNabb and after the Vikings draft 1-2 qb's, Favre un-retires and wants to be welcomed back as the starter after two-a-days are over with.
encaitar
Footballguy
If Favre retires and the Vikings trade for McNabb, they'll go the route the Jets did and cut Favre. They have no reason to keep him on their roster because he's not a household figure in Minnesota, plus there's no incentive for him to "retire as a Viking". If Favre retires and the Vikings don't otherwise address the QB position. He can unretire anytime before the start of the season and be welcomed back. Packer fans can dream up all the drama they want, but there really won't be any, at least not any more than last season. Even that "drama" was overblown from what it actually was.3. Second verse, same as the first, second, third, forth and fifth option. Favre comes out before the draft and saysWell, they had plans to go into this season with Sage as the QB, or at least that is what we were lead to believe. Short of Favre coming out before the draft saying there was no way he was coming back, I don't see the Vikings making a move for McNabb. So, they will go into the summer with two plans:
1. With Favre, Sage and whomever they draft (I think they take QB 3rd to 5th round in the draft)
2. With Sage, resign TJ and whoever they draft.
Again, that changes if Favre comes out before the draft and says
