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***Official 2011 Buffalo Bills Offseason Thread*** (1 Viewer)
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Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Which direction do you think they'll go? Are they going to keep Fitzpatrick as the starter?
Biggest needs are on either line, right?
Biggest needs are on either line, right?
Fitz appears locked in as the starter right now.They need an OT and front 7 help on defense.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
I'm guessing Da'Quan Bowers is the likely first rounder they covet. Denver might snipe him though. It doesn't sound like the OT's are that impressive in this year's draft.
Mr. Peterson
Footballguy
Can Bowers switch to a 3-4 OLB when they play in that formation? From what I read I thought his skill set was made for a 4-3 DE.I kinda think Nick Fairly might be a good pick. I also read that he would be very good in a 3-4 or a 4-3. Kinda makes sense for the Bills seeing that they plan on going back and forth between formations.Andy Dufresne said:
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Are they going to stick with a 3-4?
Maybe someone like Robert Quinn, DE North Carolina would be a better option.
Maybe someone like Robert Quinn, DE North Carolina would be a better option.
Mr. Peterson
Footballguy
And I hate to say this because I'm one of the biggest anti-Newton guys I know, but if he has a strong showing at his Bowl game I could see him going pretty high in the draft. He could be a difference maker in the NFL and it's not like the Bills are gonna have a top 3 pick that often (well at least hopefully). If Newton pans out he could help the Bills turn the franchise around better and quicker than any other player in this draft besides Luck.
My problem with Newton is I think he is a bit of a scumbag and has low charecter. After everything he did at Florida (cheating and stealing laptops) and then what he and his father did with the money situation I don't trust the guy. That's a very high draft pick and A LOT of money to be spending on a guy who could end up being the next Jemarcus Russell (meaning that he pretty much quits after getting his big payday). I think whoever drafts Newton better be ready for a lenghty hold out. Him and his father will probably want 1.1 money no matter where he is drafted. That just seems like the type of person he is.
But the guy does have talent and I think if he sat behind Fitzpatrick for at least half the season then I think he could do very good things under Chan Gailey. I think Gailey could be one of the better coaches for him and his style of play. I just hope that his charecter is worth the top 3 investment if we took him.
I know we need D and O-line, but with an early 2nd we can still get an impact player. There will be no one worth a top 5 pick at OT so maybe we get one in the 2nd, 3rd or even 4th. I think Bell is doing OK, we just need to find a solid RT and maybe a young center to groom under Hangartner. Other than that, at least our guards are solid.
My problem with Newton is I think he is a bit of a scumbag and has low charecter. After everything he did at Florida (cheating and stealing laptops) and then what he and his father did with the money situation I don't trust the guy. That's a very high draft pick and A LOT of money to be spending on a guy who could end up being the next Jemarcus Russell (meaning that he pretty much quits after getting his big payday). I think whoever drafts Newton better be ready for a lenghty hold out. Him and his father will probably want 1.1 money no matter where he is drafted. That just seems like the type of person he is.
But the guy does have talent and I think if he sat behind Fitzpatrick for at least half the season then I think he could do very good things under Chan Gailey. I think Gailey could be one of the better coaches for him and his style of play. I just hope that his charecter is worth the top 3 investment if we took him.
I know we need D and O-line, but with an early 2nd we can still get an impact player. There will be no one worth a top 5 pick at OT so maybe we get one in the 2nd, 3rd or even 4th. I think Bell is doing OK, we just need to find a solid RT and maybe a young center to groom under Hangartner. Other than that, at least our guards are solid.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
I mentioned in the old thread that I'd strongly prefer that the Bills just focus on drafting a difference-maker at this spot and then design the defense accordingly. We drafted Aaron Maybin because we thought he was a good "fit" for Jauron's defense, and we passed on Haloti Ngata because we thought he was a bad "fit." Decisions like that partly explain why we're drafting so high.
The following draft possibilities would be okay with me:
1) Take Bowers or Fairley at #3.
2) Trade up to #1 to get Luck. I know this won't happen.
3) Depending on how the combine goes, I would not violently object to taking a QB at #3. I'm fine with Fitz as our starter for 2011, but he is not a long-term answer. If Nix really believes that a franchise QB is available at our pick, we have to take one. We have a bunch of other holes to fill, obviously, but it's hard to field a good team without a high-quality QB.
I will commit ritual suicide if we draft a AJ Green or one of the CBs. Not that we couldn't use some help at those positions, but we're better able to get by with what we have there already, whereas our defensive front seven is a joke.
The following draft possibilities would be okay with me:
1) Take Bowers or Fairley at #3.
2) Trade up to #1 to get Luck. I know this won't happen.
3) Depending on how the combine goes, I would not violently object to taking a QB at #3. I'm fine with Fitz as our starter for 2011, but he is not a long-term answer. If Nix really believes that a franchise QB is available at our pick, we have to take one. We have a bunch of other holes to fill, obviously, but it's hard to field a good team without a high-quality QB.
I will commit ritual suicide if we draft a AJ Green or one of the CBs. Not that we couldn't use some help at those positions, but we're better able to get by with what we have there already, whereas our defensive front seven is a joke.
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IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
As of right now, this is who I really want. I just keep watching that youtube clip of him spearing the opposing QB late and picturing Tom Brady instead.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
I understand the risks associated with Newton, but I would have a really hard time faulting the Bills if they decided to swing for the fences by selecting him. The bust potential here is huge, but his upside is huge as well.theglorydays
Footballguy
I'm thinking that Nix might go best player available just like last year. I wouldn't rule out AJ Green or Patrick Peterson as the pick even if there are more pressing needs at other positions.
I personally want to see us take either Fairley or Dareus. I don't blame Nix if he takes Green or Peterson, we can't afford to whiff on this draft pick and taking the highest graded player gives us the best chance at getting a good player.
I'm worried that Ralph may pressure him into taking a quarterback...
I personally want to see us take either Fairley or Dareus. I don't blame Nix if he takes Green or Peterson, we can't afford to whiff on this draft pick and taking the highest graded player gives us the best chance at getting a good player.
I'm worried that Ralph may pressure him into taking a quarterback...
Area51Inhabitant
Footballguy
Newton is one of those potential coach and gm killers should that pick not work out. I know Gailey likes a more mobile qb than what Fitz is and a guy like Newton, Locker or possibly Colin Kaepernick could fit that bill. I'm just more than a bit hesitant using the number 3 pick on someone with that much risk associated with it. I also agree with the above poster with regard to Newton's character issues. There's still an awful lot we don't know about the whole Auburn/Miss. State situation and we would really need to do some homework on that to make sure this kid isn't handing everyone a bill of goods about his involvement in it.
All good points. The challenge is that there are SO many holes to fill, especially considering the potential (loss) of Poz, Whitner, McGee, and Stroud. It bothered me that in the last quarter of the season we didn't really see what some of these younger guys could do on the field (Maybin, Troup, Carrington, etc). We did see some FA/PS players to fill injury holes, but it would have been nice to see if these other guys will cut it.
We need to re-sign Evans, he is still a decent #1 WR - we have much more pressing needs in the front 7 of defense and a RT. If Newton or some other "stud" QB falls into rounds 2-3 like they did in last year's draft, then take a run at them. I am assuming there is no way, assuming he declares, that Luck falls to #3 and/or the Bills trade up for him.
Previous poster hit it on the head - draft the best defensive talent available - we could have had Ngata, Wilfork, Suggs, Orapko, etc. instead of the "hole-fillers" that we currently have.
We need to re-sign Evans, he is still a decent #1 WR - we have much more pressing needs in the front 7 of defense and a RT. If Newton or some other "stud" QB falls into rounds 2-3 like they did in last year's draft, then take a run at them. I am assuming there is no way, assuming he declares, that Luck falls to #3 and/or the Bills trade up for him.
Previous poster hit it on the head - draft the best defensive talent available - we could have had Ngata, Wilfork, Suggs, Orapko, etc. instead of the "hole-fillers" that we currently have.
Mr. Peterson
Footballguy
When you say 2nd most difficult schedule, are you refering to the year that just passed or are we gonna have another difficult schedule next year as well?
Cause we need a schedule like the Chiefs just had. That schedule was cake.
Cause we need a schedule like the Chiefs just had. That schedule was cake.
plan is to go multiple front so they'll likely go back and forth between the two rather than stick with one exclusively.this should mean the BPA is the pick, and I assume that it will most likely be a defensive player.
How much money do you want to pay for a speed WR who is turning 30 years old and only averages about 35 catches per year lately?
http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcwest/post/_/id/...gth-of-scheduleWhen you say 2nd most difficult schedule, are you refering to the year that just passed or are we gonna have another difficult schedule next year as well?
Cause we need a schedule like the Chiefs just had. That schedule was cake.
Mr. Peterson
Footballguy
Clemson DE Da'Quan Bowers is turning pro
I didn't realize how big he was. At that size I'm sure the guy could play DE in the 3-4 or the 4-3 (or which ever D the Bills plan on playing). Sounds like he might be more of a stud than I thought. Now I'm hoping he's there for the Bills to consider with the 3rd pick.We know who the Panthers are taking (assuming Luck comes out). What are some of the Broncos needs? Will they be looking at a lot of the same positions we are?
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Yes. The Broncos will likely be considering Bowers quite heavily.
CompetitiveEdgeFootball
Footballguy
I think anyone that they could draft and sign is probably an upgrade over 90% of the starters in place.Christ- sign the whole New England practice squad, they beat the 'phins last week.
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He is still decent, and WR's, unlike most RB's, don't fade at 30. He is our best option right now, and letting him go would just give us ANOTHER giant hole to fill. Can't do it all in one year, and he is certainly not a liability.
Summer Wheat
Footballguy
I liked what I saw with Fitz this past year. No need to address the QB spot.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
And besides, it's not like we're rubbing right up against the salary cap. If we "overpay" to keep Evans, it doesn't do any damage to the team; it just lightens Ralph's wallet a little.
I'd probably say the same thing about Poz, Whitner and Florence... Those guys aren't stars, and losing them in FA isn't going to be a huge loss, but losing them does mean that you're going to be starting worse players in each of those positions, or that you have 3 new holes to fill in the draft.If Florence goes in FA and the Bills draft a CB at 3, they're basically just standing still.
I see the point about not being near the cap (although the new CBA isn't worked out), but I still wouldn't overpay for these guys. Once you do that, you set the precedent, which will come back to bite you later on.
Evans is a good player, but they're okay with Johnson (who is going to want a new deal too), Nelson, etc. If he comes reasonably, great, but I wouldn't break the bank for him (or the others). They're going to be handing out a ton of money for the 3rd overall pick as well.
Evans is a good player, but they're okay with Johnson (who is going to want a new deal too), Nelson, etc. If he comes reasonably, great, but I wouldn't break the bank for him (or the others). They're going to be handing out a ton of money for the 3rd overall pick as well.
Mr. Peterson
Footballguy
So who are the players the Bills will have to resign this year? Who are all the FA's?
theglorydays
Footballguy
I have a bad feeling that is going to happen.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
Or you could sign a FA to replace him. We don't have to replace every lost FA through the draft.
Mr. Peterson
Footballguy
I think it a bad thing for the Bills that Luck is not gonna come out. That's one more team now to take a player we might really want. The top 2 people I had hoped for the Bills (besides the obvious with Luck) were Bowers and Fairly. Now there's a decent chance that both could be gone by our 3rd pick. We could be the Redskins of last year after the obvioius top 3 went.
I like that Luck is not coming out, if Fitzpatrick isnt the answer we get another shot at him next season. Plus i am hoping we get AJ Green, with Luck not coming out he is the best player in this draft.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
a) Its not like Bowers and Fairley are the only blue-chip defensive linemen in this year's draft. Would it really be that surprising if Dareus or Quinn, for example, end up being rated ahead of one of those guys after the combine?b) We have more needs than just DL. QB is one of them. I'm not sure how I feel about the QB class because I don't watch much college football, but I've seen lots of mocks that have Mallet, Newton, and Gabbert all going in the top half of the first round, so it's not like there isn't some talent there.c) Besides, Bowers and Fairley might both be available at #3. The top of the first round is nowhere near set. Carolina might take another QB, and some mocks have Denver taking a CB.My only real fear is that we end up taking somebody like Green or Peterson. Not that they suck, just that we'd be passing over comparable talent (I think) at other positions of need.
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Mr. Peterson
Footballguy
You're right, a lot can happen from now till the draft. But at this time I only think there are 3-4 true studs out there now that Luck is staying. At this time I think the studs are Bowers, Fairly, Green and from what I'ver heard, Peterson. But as you mentioned before, we don't really need Green or Peterson (unless they're the next Andre Johnson or Revis).I do like the thinking of Go Deep about possibly drafting Green if the other two are gone or are not what we want. That way we would have some pretty good weapons when we draft Luck next year.
well he has 2 more years on his contract so I'm not really sure why an extension would be necessary. if anything, he's a good candidate to be traded right now depending on what you can get for him.I like him, but I think WRs making $9 million/year should be better than just "decent"...especially in the pass-heavy offense the Bills ran this year.
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dharmapunk
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Lookie Lookie, There Goes Cookie.
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GroveDiesel
Footballguy
How much influence do you think Wilson. Has over the draft and does his age factor in? If he's exerting influence, I could see them shying away from a QB because Wilson would prefer a more immediate return on his investment so that be can actually see the results.
With Luck being an impossibility this year (even if he had come out) I think they simply have to go defensive with their pick. The defense was atrocious and put the offense in too many difficult situations. While pairing a stud like Green with Johnson makes me giddy, or maybe taking a big time dynamic guy like Newton, this team needs more guys in the front 7 that can stop the run and pressure a QB. The offense wasn't great, but they weren't the biggest problem either.
Oh, and next year's schedule won't be a whole lot better than this year's. When you start off having to play the Patriots and Jets twice each and then throw in a decent Dolphins team, you're already going to have a pretty tough schedule.
With Luck being an impossibility this year (even if he had come out) I think they simply have to go defensive with their pick. The defense was atrocious and put the offense in too many difficult situations. While pairing a stud like Green with Johnson makes me giddy, or maybe taking a big time dynamic guy like Newton, this team needs more guys in the front 7 that can stop the run and pressure a QB. The offense wasn't great, but they weren't the biggest problem either.
Oh, and next year's schedule won't be a whole lot better than this year's. When you start off having to play the Patriots and Jets twice each and then throw in a decent Dolphins team, you're already going to have a pretty tough schedule.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
I think it's a decent move. Although it won't help a whole lot if they don't upgrade the talent on that side of the ball as well.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
I'm seeing more mocks with Peterson to the Bills. I'm not sure how I feel about that. At first I was pretty irritated because obviously the front 7 is more of an issue than the secondary. But after reading up on Peterson more, I could probably live with him. The kid sounds like he very well could be a Champ Bailey/Revis type guy. He has great size, speed, tracks the ball really well, uses his body and athleticism really well and is a stud in the return game.
I'd still probably prefer Fairley or Bowers, but Peterson is actually probably the safer pick and could still make a HUGE impact on the defense overall. A shutdown corner can make a d-line look a lot better by giving them more timeto get to the QB.
Also, maybe Ponder in the 2nd? If his elbow injury was the reason for his struggles this season and that's a thing of the past, he could be a legit NFL QB. Not a huge arm, but very accurate and smart.
After that, I'd like to see pretty much all DL, LB and OL.
I'd still probably prefer Fairley or Bowers, but Peterson is actually probably the safer pick and could still make a HUGE impact on the defense overall. A shutdown corner can make a d-line look a lot better by giving them more timeto get to the QB.
Also, maybe Ponder in the 2nd? If his elbow injury was the reason for his struggles this season and that's a thing of the past, he could be a legit NFL QB. Not a huge arm, but very accurate and smart.
After that, I'd like to see pretty much all DL, LB and OL.
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The Bills are getting new uniforms for next year! Finally, we can ditch the Arena League look.
Email from OBD:
As a valued Bills Season Ticket Holder, we want you to be among the first to know that the Buffalo Bills will introduce new uniforms for the 2011 National Football League season. The new uniforms will be officially unveiled at a fan appreciation event later this year.
The new uniforms will incorporate the team's storied history while keeping the team's signature charging buffalo logo. The Bills last made a change to their primary uniform prior to the 2002 season.
The Bills will announce specific details regarding the new uniforms and the fan appreciation event later this year.
Thank you very much for your continued support.
Sincerely,
The Buffalo Bills
Email from OBD:
As a valued Bills Season Ticket Holder, we want you to be among the first to know that the Buffalo Bills will introduce new uniforms for the 2011 National Football League season. The new uniforms will be officially unveiled at a fan appreciation event later this year.
The new uniforms will incorporate the team's storied history while keeping the team's signature charging buffalo logo. The Bills last made a change to their primary uniform prior to the 2002 season.
The Bills will announce specific details regarding the new uniforms and the fan appreciation event later this year.
Thank you very much for your continued support.
Sincerely,
The Buffalo Bills
this is nearly exactly what McKelvin was supposed to do.
he might be awesome but I'm sick of spending 1st round picks on CBs and RBs.
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On The Rocks
Footballguy
Very excited to hear this news! Would love to see the return of the 1980 UNIs but anything other than the Arean League stuff they wear now will be an improvement.
The statement seems to imply that the new uniforms will have a throwback-type look. The fact that they mention they are keeping the charging buffalo logo makes it sound like it will be a 60s-70s style uniform (similar to the current alternate jersey) with the updated helmet.I would love to see a white helmet with the charging buffalo.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
I'm definitely in favor of getting rid of anything that reminds us of the past decade.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Wes Bunting's first mock is out and he has the Bills taking Cam Newton. Don't know what to think about that. Their biggest need IMO is to improve the defense, but Newton certainly has potential and could be a Gailey guy. But...
Interesting note from last year: the Bills only drafted Seniors last year. Coincidence or intentional? Will that come into play this year? Perhaps Von Miller could end up being their pick?
Interesting note from last year: the Bills only drafted Seniors last year. Coincidence or intentional? Will that come into play this year? Perhaps Von Miller could end up being their pick?
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Stroud seems like a great guy and from some of the comments on Twitter it sounds like the players will miss his leadership, but his play on the field won't be missed. He was brought in to be an impact player, and from his lack of sack numbers and the horrible run defense, it's obvious that he never lived up to that.
Mr. Peterson
Footballguy
Still not sure how I would feel if we took Newton. I can't stand the man as a person but I think he could become a good player eventually. Let him sit a year behind Fitzpatrick and learn from Gailey. He could be a star in the NFL with Gaileys guidance and in his offense.I've been discussing this with a few people for a little while now, but I wouldn't be opposed to the Bills taking AJ Green or Peterson. Even though we don't need those positions, I think those two could be once in a decade type talents. And if you really believe they are that good then how do you pass on them even if you don't need that position at all. Now I know we need help on the D-line and other postitions, but what happens when we pass on what could possibly be the next Calvin Johnson or Revis?
some roster moves from One Bills Drive.
Bills tender Poz and Whitner
Bills tender Poz and Whitner
they also signed George Wilson to a 3-year contract.from twitter:
Also, this from twitter:
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