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delusional
Footballguy
I missed the conference sadly enough. Did he take responsibility for the loss again? lolNone of this surprises me though. What does surprise me is no one was fired after the game.Hey - ease up!! I just saw Andy's press conference and he's going to get it fixed.
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Amused to Death
Footballguy
He also included other coaches and made a point to say how poor the team played.Seriously, how much longer does Andy get to make all the decisions? Its not working.5 straight home losses.I missed the conference sadly enough. Did he take responsibility for the loss again? lolHey - ease up!! I just saw Andy's press conference and he's going to get it fixed.
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Crusaderfan
Footballguy
You didn't miss it - it was the same as all the rest of the ones that follow a loss. I find it incredible that there are still Eagles fans that believe in this organization. WowI missed the conference sadly enough. Did he take responsibility for the loss again? lolNone of this surprises me though. What does surprise me is no one was fired after the game.Hey - ease up!! I just saw Andy's press conference and he's going to get it fixed.
delusional
Footballguy
I just seen that Reid dialed up 40+ passes in this game..a game they were leading 20-3 at halftime.
I swear he is dyslexic when ti comes to gameplan and playcalling.
Caught vick talking at the presser. Pretty sure the players lost all faith in this coaching staff.
I swear he is dyslexic when ti comes to gameplan and playcalling.
Caught vick talking at the presser. Pretty sure the players lost all faith in this coaching staff.
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Amused to Death
Footballguy
After 5 straight home losses, how much longer till we start to hear "P-H-I-L-L-I-E-S PHILLIES!" chants at the Linc?
Crusaderfan
Footballguy
I heard "Let's go Phillies" chants from the crowd with a few minutes left in the game. I think everyone in Philly realizes now that the real "Dream Team" plays across the street and wears red.
Amused to Death
Footballguy
Can't wait till 8:30"P-H-I-L-L-I-E-S PHILLIES!"
Jeff Pasquino
Footballguy
Thank God that the Phillies play tonight to erase this memory. That was a pathetic effort in the second half - again.
delusional
Footballguy
the CSN guys finally called out the defensive scheme on the post game. Even Tra Thomas was saying they dont have the LBers for the defensive line scheme.
Amused to Death
Footballguy
Tra Thomas also made a comment (when asked) that at some point the team may need some new blood (or a new voice) in regards to the coaching.
delusional
Footballguy
This is what needs to happen. The media has never called things out like that and they should have been doing it years ago. It is also obvious they Reid has to go. Has been for a while.
jasvic
Footballguy
Incorrect. They put up some gaudy numbers, but zero touchdowns in the 2nd half and careless with the football the entire game is not good. Offense, defense, special teams, coaching. They were a perfect storm of bad today. I haven't been this disgusted with the team since '94 when Kotite was letting a 7-2 start slip away.
delusional
Footballguy
Sorry Jeff had to quote this one lolSounds like a special teams player. ESPN said that during an intervier prior to the draft, the Eagles did show the most interest in him and Rolle felt Philly was the best match. IDK where he fits but he could be a decent 4th behind Bradley/Chaney/Mathews (yes, Mathews).Sounds like a perfect starter lol.Jason Kelce - OL - CIN - 6'3", 280 - More of a value pick to zone blocking scheme - More of a pass blocker with a good punch but a bit thin.Brian Rolle - LB - Ohio State - 5'10", 229 - Ran a 4.58 - Bottom line, undersized linebacker. Here we go again.Time to dig.Eagles take two guys who have never been in my kitchen.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
1-3 now on the season...10-3 from here on out? It's not like Dallas or New York is running away with this. Looks like Washington might be 3-1 after today but they don't look like a playoff team in any sense of the definition right now.
Will 9-7 take this division?
Will 9-7 take this division?
Not buying it. Make either of two missed FGs or take back a single bone-headed play by Brown and the game is salted with a W. Vick played great...this one's almost entirely on the D and STs
Amused to Death
Footballguy
And Rich Kotite's teams never blew 3 straight 4th quarter leads.
YoUnG GuNz
Footballguy
This seasons an abortion... Blow up the entire coaching staff now and hope to catch a flash in a pan.
Amused to Death
Footballguy
I see our 26 year old rookie first round pick was inactive yet again. You know, the one that was the most football ready O-lineman in the draft. Wonder if he'll see action before he turns 27.
gonzobill5
Footballguy
This is how I see it...a terrible start but the division is still within reach. They still get 2 games against Dallas and 2 against Washington, so they control their destiny in a sense. And to tell the truth, this team needs to endure a little adversity. Maybe they'll fall apart and we'll know they need to blow it up and start over, or maybe they'll rally around Vick. I'd like to Reid make a statement and cut Ronnie Brown. Show the team that this is serious and you need to keep your head in the game. Too many players are just out there playing like it doesn't matter. It's a shame because others like Vick, McCoy and Avant seem to be playing their hearts out.
Mcnabbfan
Footballguy
I don't agree with this. The offense could have put this game out of reach if they were more efficient in the red zone. Any time an offense goes 2 for 7 in the red-zone, work needs to be done. This team should not be settling for Field goals with the firepower they have. Plus, why did Shady only get 9 carries this game and why did they throw the ball over 45 times when they had a 20 point lead in the second half.
crewmember
Footballguy
Because their defense sucks and they needed more points.
modogg
Footballguy
a good article on epsn talking with Cullen Jenkins about it, seems like only him and McCoy are the players on the field without their heads up their asses:
http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/31180/eagles-dream-team-may-not-wake-up
i usually am not one to overreact to wins or losses by the Eagles, but losing to the 49'ers at home after coming off that loss they had to the Giants is almost inexcusable. Wish their bye week was week 5, hoping they can take one of these next 2 games so they don't go into the bye 1-5
http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/31180/eagles-dream-team-may-not-wake-up
i usually am not one to overreact to wins or losses by the Eagles, but losing to the 49'ers at home after coming off that loss they had to the Giants is almost inexcusable. Wish their bye week was week 5, hoping they can take one of these next 2 games so they don't go into the bye 1-5
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
There's always the Phillies. 
modogg
Footballguy
We're all hoping bud...And just looked at the line for next week, Eagles are favored by 3 over the Bills next week. Have these linemakers been watching this team? have they watched our pass defense, or seen how Fred Jackson has looked and what he will do to our team? I have to think smart money comes in on Bills +3There's always the Phillies.
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
We're all hoping bud...And just looked at the line for next week, Eagles are favored by 3 over the Bills next week. Have these linemakers been watching this team? have they watched our pass defense, or seen how Fred Jackson has looked and what he will do to our team? I have to think smart money comes in on Bills +3There's always the Phillies.
Bills win by 10+
Billy Bats
Footballguy
I've never seen so many defensive players just bounce off of the ballcarrier. Does anyone, or CAN anyone, wrap anybody up?? This defense is godawful.
I can't wait to hear the fat man's press conference tomorrow. When he gets all nasty and makes snide comments at the reporters' softball questions. This dude needs to be raked over the coals by someone. Hes damn lucky the owner doesn't own a pair of balls, because in reality they should be gone after the last three weeks. Just a ####### disgrace.
BTW, did anyone really think that hiring your offensive line coach as your d coordinator was even remotely a good idea?!
I can't wait to hear the fat man's press conference tomorrow. When he gets all nasty and makes snide comments at the reporters' softball questions. This dude needs to be raked over the coals by someone. Hes damn lucky the owner doesn't own a pair of balls, because in reality they should be gone after the last three weeks. Just a ####### disgrace.
BTW, did anyone really think that hiring your offensive line coach as your d coordinator was even remotely a good idea?!
netnalp
Footballguy
Maybe they were using thinking I've heard in regards to attorneys: If you want to become a great defender, spend a few years as a prosecutor and vice versa. Should have gone with a coach with experience as a college DC and OC, if there are any.I've never seen so many defensive players just bounce off of the ballcarrier. Does anyone, or CAN anyone, wrap anybody up?? This defense is godawful. I can't wait to hear the fat man's press conference tomorrow. When he gets all nasty and makes snide comments at the reporters' softball questions. This dude needs to be raked over the coals by someone. Hes damn lucky the owner doesn't own a pair of balls, because in reality they should be gone after the last three weeks. Just a ####### disgrace. BTW, did anyone really think that hiring your offensive line coach as your d coordinator was even remotely a good idea?!
need2know
Footballguy
I would have never thought our defense could get worse than last years.... I was wrongI've never seen so many defensive players just bounce off of the ballcarrier. Does anyone, or CAN anyone, wrap anybody up?? This defense is godawful. I can't wait to hear the fat man's press conference tomorrow. When he gets all nasty and makes snide comments at the reporters' softball questions. This dude needs to be raked over the coals by someone. Hes damn lucky the owner doesn't own a pair of balls, because in reality they should be gone after the last three weeks. Just a ####### disgrace. BTW, did anyone really think that hiring your offensive line coach as your d coordinator was even remotely a good idea?!
Amused to Death
Footballguy
Something else that seems troubling...2 weeks in a row now I've heard players say after the game "they just wanted it more". Last week it might have been DRC and yesterday I think it was DJax. How can the other team want it more?? On our field? I'm seeing quotes this morning where players are saying they aren't playing for 60 minutes or letting up with the lead. Inexcusable. And that's coaching as well as the players. Maybe its already happening but at what point do the defensive players realize they know more about defenses then the DC and tune him out?
Cris Carter said this morning, in reference to the Eagles, "you can't sign leadership in free agency".
Cris Carter said this morning, in reference to the Eagles, "you can't sign leadership in free agency".
Insein
Footballguy
It was actually 54 pass attempts to 11 called run plays. All of Vick's scrambles were off of pass plays. With a 23-3 lead. Go figure that we left too much time on the clock for a team to come back on us eh? Also, it was minor and didn't cost us but at the end of the 2nd quarter, Andy's clock/timeout management deficiencies again show. Calling the last timeout on 3rd down with 42 seconds left and leaving yourself no timeouts to try a field goal in case you don't get in the end zone is just stupid. If they had been stopped short of the goaline, they would have had to run the kicking team on the field in a mad scramble again. Luckily shady scored.
Insein
Footballguy
OR they could have gotten Rob ryan. At least he has a scheme.Maybe they were using thinking I've heard in regards to attorneys: If you want to become a great defender, spend a few years as a prosecutor and vice versa. Should have gone with a coach with experience as a college DC and OC, if there are any.I've never seen so many defensive players just bounce off of the ballcarrier. Does anyone, or CAN anyone, wrap anybody up?? This defense is godawful. I can't wait to hear the fat man's press conference tomorrow. When he gets all nasty and makes snide comments at the reporters' softball questions. This dude needs to be raked over the coals by someone. Hes damn lucky the owner doesn't own a pair of balls, because in reality they should be gone after the last three weeks. Just a ####### disgrace. BTW, did anyone really think that hiring your offensive line coach as your d coordinator was even remotely a good idea?!
Amused to Death
Footballguy
And let's not forget, that was 54 pass plays with a QB coming off a concussion and broke/not broke hand. And a 20-point lead. Because Andy's smarter than everyone else.
Insein
Footballguy
Someone needs to start we want Gruden chants at the stadium.
Insein
Footballguy
I mean its not like we had a back that had 3 straight games of 110+ total yards or anything. Andy was forced to throw that many times.
Insein
Footballguy
His scheme sucked but at least it was a scheme.wheres sean mcdermott? can we rehire?
need2know
Footballguy
I was joking, but his defense was better than what I am seeing currently. And on paper this eagles defense has better players than last year. still cannot believe they thought a guy who had NEVER coached defense could step in and b the eagles defensive coordinator. its just plain dumbHis scheme sucked but at least it was a scheme.wheres sean mcdermott? can we rehire?
Insein
Footballguy
That's what I mean. Mcdermott was awful but he had an idea for the defense. It didn't work either because of lack of talent or poor design. I can't see anything that Castillo is doing thats his own. The wide 9 is Washburns style and it can work IF you have solid to excellent LBs that can fill the gaping holes generated by it. We have practice squad at best and cut material at worst starting at LB. Who ####### thought that was a great idea? Lets implement this aggressive defense that leaves or LB's completely exposed to the running game and use 3 late round projects that have a collective 1 season of experience to fill that void. Can someone explain how Lofa Tatupu can possibly be any worse than what we have? They keep saying he'd have to learn the system and that other teams left him out there too but if they would have brought him into training camp, he'd have to be better by default than what we have at LB.I was joking, but his defense was better than what I am seeing currently. And on paper this eagles defense has better players than last year. still cannot believe they thought a guy who had NEVER coached defense could step in and b the eagles defensive coordinator. its just plain dumbHis scheme sucked but at least it was a scheme.wheres sean mcdermott? can we rehire?
need2know
Footballguy
are LBs have been chit for years and we are paying the price for that now. Our safeties are also garbage. I wish we had paid dawkins and kept mikell....That's what I mean. Mcdermott was awful but he had an idea for the defense. It didn't work either because of lack of talent or poor design. I can't see anything that Castillo is doing thats his own. The wide 9 is Washburns style and it can work IF you have solid to excellent LBs that can fill the gaping holes generated by it. We have practice squad at best and cut material at worst starting at LB. Who ####### thought that was a great idea? Lets implement this aggressive defense that leaves or LB's completely exposed to the running game and use 3 late round projects that have a collective 1 season of experience to fill that void. Can someone explain how Lofa Tatupu can possibly be any worse than what we have? They keep saying he'd have to learn the system and that other teams left him out there too but if they would have brought him into training camp, he'd have to be better by default than what we have at LB.I was joking, but his defense was better than what I am seeing currently. And on paper this eagles defense has better players than last year. still cannot believe they thought a guy who had NEVER coached defense could step in and b the eagles defensive coordinator. its just plain dumbHis scheme sucked but at least it was a scheme.wheres sean mcdermott? can we rehire?
Insein
Footballguy
Or traded up to draft Earl Thomas (like every Eagles fan in the world was thinking they would in 09)? the too smart for everyone else thing has worn thin. Did we need another hybrid LB/DE that year? Like we needed a freaking hole in the head we did. Did we need a playmaking safety that could bring a presence to the defense? In the worst damned way!'need2know said:are LBs have been chit for years and we are paying the price for that now. Our safeties are also garbage. I wish we had paid dawkins and kept mikell....'Insein said:That's what I mean. Mcdermott was awful but he had an idea for the defense. It didn't work either because of lack of talent or poor design. I can't see anything that Castillo is doing thats his own. The wide 9 is Washburns style and it can work IF you have solid to excellent LBs that can fill the gaping holes generated by it. We have practice squad at best and cut material at worst starting at LB. Who ####### thought that was a great idea? Lets implement this aggressive defense that leaves or LB's completely exposed to the running game and use 3 late round projects that have a collective 1 season of experience to fill that void. Can someone explain how Lofa Tatupu can possibly be any worse than what we have? They keep saying he'd have to learn the system and that other teams left him out there too but if they would have brought him into training camp, he'd have to be better by default than what we have at LB.'need2know said:I was joking, but his defense was better than what I am seeing currently. And on paper this eagles defense has better players than last year. still cannot believe they thought a guy who had NEVER coached defense could step in and b the eagles defensive coordinator. its just plain dumb'Insein said:His scheme sucked but at least it was a scheme.'need2know said:wheres sean mcdermott? can we rehire?
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
And the FIRST better be Ronnie Brown!I missed the conference sadly enough. Did he take responsibility for the loss again? lolNone of this surprises me though. What does surprise me is no one was fired after the game.Hey - ease up!! I just saw Andy's press conference and he's going to get it fixed.
That's what happens when you let a guy who's been retired for years and let him make the pick.
Snotbubbles
Footballguy
Everyone should have seen this coming. They bring in almost an entirely new coaching staff on defense. They bring in a slew of new players on defense. Then have virtually no time to learn the system. That equals a slow start. Most people over the summer said that it will take this team time to gel. Yet here we are, with the team needing time to gel and everyone is impatient. Teams that had continuity from last season to this season are light years ahead of a team that was put together 8 weeks ago.
Jason Wood
Zoo York
It was happening at the game. I'm not a Phillies fan, but my seatmates and buddies are, and they were all part of the chants.
Amused to Death
Footballguy
The 49ers have a rookie head coach and a new system. Did they have more time?
Jason Wood
Zoo York
Not sure what to say fellas.
I've been defending Andy for a looooooooooooong time. And while I still think there's less than 10% chance the next guy is as good as the current guy, I'm also exhausted trying to defend Big Red, too.
If we take a step back and consider why this season is unraveling, even the most ardent Reid supporters (myself included) can't lay blame:
1) Juan Castillo -- Castillo is outmatched. Not only are we playing horrible defense, but we're giving up big leads in the 2nd half, at home, to (arguably) inferior teams (talent wise). Even if you want to argue he needs time to grow into the role, that's no excuse. The Eagles brass made it clear they were going all in this year, which is exactly NOT the time to experiment with a major coaching change. Decision to name Castillo defensive coordinator? = ANDY REID
2) Horrendous Linebacking & Safety Play -- We really don't need to go through the issues, they're staring us in the face each and every week. But the fact remains our LBs may be the worst in the league and are CERTAINLY the worst I've seen in my years going to games as a season ticket holder. For a team that had this "master plan" in free agency, there's no way we can/should buy into the idea that they simply had no alternatives. Given how much we did in free agency and with new contracts, we OBVIOUSLY could have entertained LB as a key position, but CHOSE not to. While I realize Banner and Roseman have more power than they used to, Andy still has final say on all personnel decisions and gets the check to prove it. Decision to rely on our current LB and S crop? = ANDY REID
3) Poor Offensive Line Play -- I listened to an interesting debate on the drive down to the Linc yesterday where one of the talking heads was trying to say our offensive line was GOOD and people were wrong to criticize. His logic? That SURE Mike Vick had been hit 57 times in three games, but we were 2nd in the league in rushing.
Needless to say we're 2nd in the league in rushing in no small part because our QB runs like a gazelle, many times for his life. Shady McCoy has been AWESOME, but being a good offensive line is about doing both run and pass blocking. You can't get an "F" in pass blocking and have a "B" in run blocking offset that. It's still an "F." Now we ALL were enthusiastic about bringing Howard Mudd aboard, but maybe we overvalued his contribution. Maybe we forgot just how much Peyton's masterful quarterbacking and quick release were responsible for the Mudd lines looking good. Decision to hire Howard Mudd and give him carte blanche to rebuild the line in his image? = ANDY REID
Look, my son is 8 years old and his coaches break down film every week making sure the kids know to attack the upcoming opponents weaknesses. At their age, usually those weaknesses are permanent. For example, you can't "adjust" if your offensive line weight 65 pounds on average, or if your receivers don't know how to catch over their shoulder. At 8, you exploit those weaknesses. If a team is able to adjust, THEN you try something else.
In the NFL, it's no different. Well, the only difference is the NFL is supposed to be a league of elite professionals where adjustments are happening ALL THE TIME, in real time, on the fly. It's a chess match where the team that's the most disciplined and versatile can make the better adjustments and end up with the win.
Right now, how do we adjust? I would argue (not being a professional) that it has to start with a re-thinking of the "Wide 9." Sure, it's making Cole and Babin look like studs. But honestly, our LBs are about as ill suited to the scheme as imaginable. Is Andy willing to neuter his long-time assistant and friend? He needs to, because absent that I can't see how we fix things. We benched Matthews. We put Nate Allen back into the lineup. It. Did. Not. Matter.
I've been defending Andy for a looooooooooooong time. And while I still think there's less than 10% chance the next guy is as good as the current guy, I'm also exhausted trying to defend Big Red, too.
If we take a step back and consider why this season is unraveling, even the most ardent Reid supporters (myself included) can't lay blame:
1) Juan Castillo -- Castillo is outmatched. Not only are we playing horrible defense, but we're giving up big leads in the 2nd half, at home, to (arguably) inferior teams (talent wise). Even if you want to argue he needs time to grow into the role, that's no excuse. The Eagles brass made it clear they were going all in this year, which is exactly NOT the time to experiment with a major coaching change. Decision to name Castillo defensive coordinator? = ANDY REID
2) Horrendous Linebacking & Safety Play -- We really don't need to go through the issues, they're staring us in the face each and every week. But the fact remains our LBs may be the worst in the league and are CERTAINLY the worst I've seen in my years going to games as a season ticket holder. For a team that had this "master plan" in free agency, there's no way we can/should buy into the idea that they simply had no alternatives. Given how much we did in free agency and with new contracts, we OBVIOUSLY could have entertained LB as a key position, but CHOSE not to. While I realize Banner and Roseman have more power than they used to, Andy still has final say on all personnel decisions and gets the check to prove it. Decision to rely on our current LB and S crop? = ANDY REID
3) Poor Offensive Line Play -- I listened to an interesting debate on the drive down to the Linc yesterday where one of the talking heads was trying to say our offensive line was GOOD and people were wrong to criticize. His logic? That SURE Mike Vick had been hit 57 times in three games, but we were 2nd in the league in rushing.
Needless to say we're 2nd in the league in rushing in no small part because our QB runs like a gazelle, many times for his life. Shady McCoy has been AWESOME, but being a good offensive line is about doing both run and pass blocking. You can't get an "F" in pass blocking and have a "B" in run blocking offset that. It's still an "F." Now we ALL were enthusiastic about bringing Howard Mudd aboard, but maybe we overvalued his contribution. Maybe we forgot just how much Peyton's masterful quarterbacking and quick release were responsible for the Mudd lines looking good. Decision to hire Howard Mudd and give him carte blanche to rebuild the line in his image? = ANDY REIDLook, my son is 8 years old and his coaches break down film every week making sure the kids know to attack the upcoming opponents weaknesses. At their age, usually those weaknesses are permanent. For example, you can't "adjust" if your offensive line weight 65 pounds on average, or if your receivers don't know how to catch over their shoulder. At 8, you exploit those weaknesses. If a team is able to adjust, THEN you try something else.
In the NFL, it's no different. Well, the only difference is the NFL is supposed to be a league of elite professionals where adjustments are happening ALL THE TIME, in real time, on the fly. It's a chess match where the team that's the most disciplined and versatile can make the better adjustments and end up with the win.
Right now, how do we adjust? I would argue (not being a professional) that it has to start with a re-thinking of the "Wide 9." Sure, it's making Cole and Babin look like studs. But honestly, our LBs are about as ill suited to the scheme as imaginable. Is Andy willing to neuter his long-time assistant and friend? He needs to, because absent that I can't see how we fix things. We benched Matthews. We put Nate Allen back into the lineup. It. Did. Not. Matter.
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