***Official 2011 Philadelphia Eagles Thread*** (1 Viewer)

[dhockster]

What I am hoping for tonight:-Vick plays sharper. He doesn't have to have a great night, just show better reads and make better decisions.-The front seven stops the run. If the Eagles show no ability to stop the run, then teams aregoing to run the ball on them all season long. The Eagles having great corners will be irreleventif we can't stop the run.-The LB's make at least a few plays. This is a young group, but they have to start making someplays or it is going to be a long season.

Given the weather, I'd add 'no significant injuries playing on a sloppy field'.

I was thinking that, but figured if I wrote that down as something I hoped for, injuries would have beenall over the place. I didn't want to jinx them.

 

[renesauz]

What I am hoping for tonight:-Vick plays sharper. He doesn't have to have a great night, just show better reads and make better decisions.-The front seven stops the run. If the Eagles show no ability to stop the run, then teams aregoing to run the ball on them all season long. The Eagles having great corners will be irreleventif we can't stop the run.-The LB's make at least a few plays. This is a young group, but they have to start making someplays or it is going to be a long season.

Check Check Check.Just need to shore up the right side of that line a little.

 

[Insein]

Didn't get to watch again. How did the LB's look? We stop the run?

 

[dhockster]

Didn't get to watch again. How did the LB's look? We stop the run?

I watched the first half. The linebackers looked better and Matthews actually made a few tackles on runsthat weren't 10 yards down field. They also knocked down a few passes for incompletions.Better performance, but Matthews still scares me because he can get pushed around so easily.

 

[CentralPA]

Didn't get to watch again. How did the LB's look? We stop the run?

LBs did good, Matthews looked much better but still had his rookie moments. Chaney was a beast. Fokou probably had the worst night but it retrospect he played OK too. I keep hearing that the majority of the work that Juan Castillo has designed the defense for when it comes to LBs is gonig to come from the SAM which Chaney is at right now. Not sure how that works but I don't think Matthews is going to have to put it all on his shoulders. Brian Rolle was good in pass coverage. They seemed to take Matthews out and put Rolle in on passing downs alot.

 

[griff321]

Didn't get to watch again. How did the LB's look? We stop the run?

I watched the first half. The linebackers looked better and Matthews actually made a few tackles on runsthat weren't 10 yards down field. They also knocked down a few passes for incompletions.Better performance, but Matthews still scares me because he can get pushed around so easily.

They had good moments and bad. Like the first CLE run of the game you have Matthews and Fokou right there to make a play, but Matthews couldn't shed his block(kinda held, but this is the NFL) and Hillis looked like a Mack truck running over a pinto named Fokou.It was an odd sort of game to evaluate the LB play against the run. Cleveland didn't exactly attack them relentlessly like some teams may when the games count. Hardesty looked meh and he ran the entire third drive, but he didn't seem 100% either. Hillis mostly made the LBs look bad, but overall they seem to be good enough with a lead and they have a ton of talent to improve as the season progresses. Right now though the best thing that LB group is their teammates.

 

[zadok]

There is no way they are cutting VY...

 

[Insein]

There is no way they are cutting VY...

Yea probably not now. If he had had another awful game, it may be still in question.

 

[Terpman22]

Word is that there is a good possibility Joselio gets traded before the 80 man roster cutdown.

 

[unckeyherb]

Didn't get to watch again. How did the LB's look? We stop the run?

LBs did good, Matthews looked much better but still had his rookie moments. Chaney was a beast. Fokou probably had the worst night but it retrospect he played OK too. I keep hearing that the majority of the work that Juan Castillo has designed the defense for when it comes to LBs is gonig to come from the SAM which Chaney is at right now. Not sure how that works but I don't think Matthews is going to have to put it all on his shoulders. Brian Rolle was good in pass coverage. They seemed to take Matthews out and put Rolle in on passing downs alot.

Not saying you are wrong, but I thought I heard that everything was going through the MIKE-basically meaning that Matthews was being asked to QB the defense. I could be wrong though.

 

[Donny Loved Bowling]

Word is that there is a good possibility Joselio gets traded before the 80 man roster cutdown.

I have been anticipating this... let's bring in some LB depth.Will Aso reclaim his number?

 

[zadok]

Looks like Ryan Harris' back problem WILL go into the season.

 

[Irish Chaos]

Word is that there is a good possibility Joselio gets traded before the 80 man roster cutdown.

I have been anticipating this... let's bring in some LB depth.Will Aso reclaim his number?

already bought a jersey t shirt with his name/# on the back....

 

[Donny Loved Bowling]

Looks like Ryan Harris' back problem WILL go into the season.

Can we get Max Starks on the phone? Or maybe Jon Stinchcomb? Either one would be an improvement over Queen Dunlap.Can't believe I've got my fingers crossed for the return of Winston Justice...

 

[bushdocda]

Looks like Ryan Harris' back problem WILL go into the season.

Can we get Max Starks on the phone? Or maybe Jon Stinchcomb? Either one would be an improvement over Queen Dunlap.Can't believe I've got my fingers crossed for the return of Winston Justice...

This.

 

[Mcnabbfan]

Didn't get to watch again. How did the LB's look? We stop the run?

LBs did good, Matthews looked much better but still had his rookie moments. Chaney was a beast. Fokou probably had the worst night but it retrospect he played OK too. I keep hearing that the majority of the work that Juan Castillo has designed the defense for when it comes to LBs is gonig to come from the SAM which Chaney is at right now. Not sure how that works but I don't think Matthews is going to have to put it all on his shoulders. Brian Rolle was good in pass coverage. They seemed to take Matthews out and put Rolle in on passing downs alot.

From watching the game, The Eagles are inviting teams to run to the strong side between the DT and DE due to the DE lining up outside the last blocker which on the strong side is the TE. The DT is not shifting over to compensate. This creates a huge lane that the SAM has to account for. When i first saw the defensive alignment, I almost puked in my mouth when I saw that gap. But if chaney is the beast I (We) think he is going to be, then its an intriguing design. It would then make the SAM that much more important than the Mike. If chaney cannot handle it, can we bring back Carlos Emmons.

 

[YoUnG GuNz]

According to several twitter sources Herremans has been moved to RT and Evan Mathis is the new LG.

 

[scratcher]

According to several twitter sources Herremans has been moved to RT and Evan Mathis is the new LG.

That's fine. My main issue with the Oline is Kelce starting over Jackson. Jackson has played great and show any signs of being injured. I am hoping that this is just a way to get Kelce some reps with the first team so he learns quicker in case he needs to step in for Jackson. Kelce might be fine but why mess with a good center in Jackson just to get him on the field sooner than he's ready?

 

[Bigboy10182000]

According to several twitter sources Herremans has been moved to RT and Evan Mathis is the new LG.

That's fine. My main issue with the Oline is Kelce starting over Jackson. Jackson has played great and show any signs of being injured. I am hoping that this is just a way to get Kelce some reps with the first team so he learns quicker in case he needs to step in for Jackson. Kelce might be fine but why mess with a good center in Jackson just to get him on the field sooner than he's ready?

The only possible explanation is that Jackson simply isnt as good as we view him. If the staff thinks Kelce can be a decent starter then I'm fine with it. My main issue is still that you have Herremans playing out of position at RT, and two rookies to the left of him...a lot can go wrong there.2 rookies on the OL...one starting at MLB...a second year SAM and possible 2 second year safties....that doesnt read like a SB team

 

[Donny Loved Bowling]

Will Vick and/or Jackson have new contracts before the season begins? I thought Vick's new deal was a foregone conclusion. I expected to see it done before they broke camp at Lehigh, thus giving them the cap flexibility to extend Jackson... but I haven't heard even a whisper about these two situations lately.

 

[Lehigh98]

Will Vick and/or Jackson have new contracts before the season begins? I thought Vick's new deal was a foregone conclusion. I expected to see it done before they broke camp at Lehigh, thus giving them the cap flexibility to extend Jackson... but I haven't heard even a whisper about these two situations lately.

They may be waiting to see what the cuts end up being first to have a better idea of the cap numbers they're working with before doing any deals.

 

[CentralPA]

Didn't get to watch again. How did the LB's look? We stop the run?

LBs did good, Matthews looked much better but still had his rookie moments. Chaney was a beast. Fokou probably had the worst night but it retrospect he played OK too. I keep hearing that the majority of the work that Juan Castillo has designed the defense for when it comes to LBs is gonig to come from the SAM which Chaney is at right now. Not sure how that works but I don't think Matthews is going to have to put it all on his shoulders. Brian Rolle was good in pass coverage. They seemed to take Matthews out and put Rolle in on passing downs alot.

From watching the game, The Eagles are inviting teams to run to the strong side between the DT and DE due to the DE lining up outside the last blocker which on the strong side is the TE. The DT is not shifting over to compensate. This creates a huge lane that the SAM has to account for. When i first saw the defensive alignment, I almost puked in my mouth when I saw that gap. But if chaney is the beast I (We) think he is going to be, then its an intriguing design. It would then make the SAM that much more important than the Mike. If chaney cannot handle it, can we bring back Carlos Emmons.

So far Chaney looks like he can. He was the best linebacker out of the group against the Browns.

 

[CentralPA]

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According to several twitter sources Herremans has been moved to RT and Evan Mathis is the new LG.

That's fine. My main issue with the Oline is Kelce starting over Jackson. Jackson has played great and show any signs of being injured. I am hoping that this is just a way to get Kelce some reps with the first team so he learns quicker in case he needs to step in for Jackson. Kelce might be fine but why mess with a good center in Jackson just to get him on the field sooner than he's ready?

Hate to burst your bubble but Morninweg basically said Kelce's the starter.Per Philly.com

No more doubt about it. If rookie Jason Kelce can stay in one piece between now and September 11, he will be the Eagles’ starting center against the St. Louis Rams.

``Right now, he’s the starting center, yes,’’ offensive coordinator Marty Mornhinweg said.

While it probably scares you that an Eagles team with Super Bowl aspirations is going to be starting two rookies on their offensive line in Week 1 – Kelce and right guard Danny Watkins – it doesn’t scare Mornhinweg. He is confident both will be just fine.

``I know it can work,’’ he said. ``I’m quite happy with their play. I’m very confident that it will work. It’s a difficult thing to do. Difficult thing with the center position alone. But I’m real confident they will be playing at a high level very quickly.’’

Besides starting two rookies, the Eagles also have just moved their longtime left guard Todd Herremans over to right tackle. Considering that none of the starters are expected to play in Thursday night’s final preseason game against the Jets, that doesn’t leave a lot of time for him to get reps at his new position.

``Todd’s a versatile player,’’ Mornhinweg said. ``He’s got the ability to play tackle. However, that doesn’t do it. Todd understands that it’s going to take a lot of hard work and preparation here from the day that he (was moved) until the first ballgame to get this thing right.’’

In other news Monday, the Eagles made four more cuts, releasing wide receiver Gerald Jones, cornerback Jamar Wall, offensive tackle Spencer Johnson and tight end Martell Webb. They are down to 81 players. They must be at 80 by Tuesday at 4 p.m., and down to 53 by Sunday

Read more: http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/dneagles/No-More-Mystery-Kelce-Will-Be-Man-In-The-Middle.html#ixzz1WRkYpfYs

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[gonzobill5]

Will Vick and/or Jackson have new contracts before the season begins? I thought Vick's new deal was a foregone conclusion. I expected to see it done before they broke camp at Lehigh, thus giving them the cap flexibility to extend Jackson... but I haven't heard even a whisper about these two situations lately.

They may be waiting to see what the cuts end up being first to have a better idea of the cap numbers they're working with before doing any deals.

sounds like Vick got his deal - 6 years $100 million.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Will Vick and/or Jackson have new contracts before the season begins? I thought Vick's new deal was a foregone conclusion. I expected to see it done before they broke camp at Lehigh, thus giving them the cap flexibility to extend Jackson... but I haven't heard even a whisper about these two situations lately.

They may be waiting to see what the cuts end up being first to have a better idea of the cap numbers they're working with before doing any deals.

sounds like Vick got his deal - 6 years $100 million.

And it didnt lower his cap number for this season that much either...I'm beginning to wonder if Desean will get his extension this year or not.

 

[Donny Loved Bowling]

Will Vick and/or Jackson have new contracts before the season begins? I thought Vick's new deal was a foregone conclusion. I expected to see it done before they broke camp at Lehigh, thus giving them the cap flexibility to extend Jackson... but I haven't heard even a whisper about these two situations lately.

They may be waiting to see what the cuts end up being first to have a better idea of the cap numbers they're working with before doing any deals.

sounds like Vick got his deal - 6 years $100 million.

And it didnt lower his cap number for this season that much either...I'm beginning to wonder if Desean will get his extension this year or not.

I still think it'll get done, but the Eagles have certainly given themselves some additional leverage now. Vick's deal not only creates extra cap room, it ensures they'll have the franchise tag available to use in 2012.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

I still think it'll get done, but the Eagles have certainly given themselves some additional leverage now. Vick's deal not only creates extra cap room, it ensures they'll have the franchise tag available to use in 2012.

They just typically take a tough stance with guys having 2+ years left on their deals though...that's what worries me. I also think we'll need another LBer and maybe some more OL depth and we don't have that much cap space

 

[Shane Falco]

Does anyone know how much cap space they actually do have now?

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Does anyone know how much cap space they actually do have now?

I don't know the actual amount but I read on Twitter last night that its roughly 4 million after this.

 

[Insein]

Does anyone know how much cap space they actually do have now?

I don't know the actual amount but I read on Twitter last night that its roughly 4 million after this.

Desean is making $555k this year. I think the Eagles can find a way to give him a little bit this year but guarantee a big amount over the life of the contract. Desean may have had to show up because of the FA status but he's there and has shown good faith by practicing and playing in games. He's done everything the Eagles said and hasn't blown up in social media at all. He's been the good soldier. The complete opposite of TO. I think he'll get paid. Vick was the obstacle and now its time for the real negotiations.

 

[unckeyherb]

I have a feeling that Desean is as good as gone next year. The Eagles have one of the most shrewd FO's in the league and I think the risk is not worth the reward for them. Desean wants big time money and while I agree that he is one of the most electric players in the league he is not going to get top WR money. He had 47 receptions last year (although, he does a lot with them). Throw in his durability concerns, the reality that Maclin was/is a more complete WR, bringing in Steve Smith and now this Vick signing, which I believe only freed up $1.5 Million in cap space (may be wrong about that though) and I see the writing on the wall that they will play hardball. They know that with the new CBA he has no leverage. He will have to play out his contract and take his services elsewhere next year.

I really hope I am wrong, but I am not feeling good about my #10 Jersey purchase...

 

[Insein]

I have a feeling that Desean is as good as gone next year. The Eagles have one of the most shrewd FO's in the league and I think the risk is not worth the reward for them. Desean wants big time money and while I agree that he is one of the most electric players in the league he is not going to get top WR money. He had 47 receptions last year (although, he does a lot with them). Throw in his durability concerns, the reality that Maclin was/is a more complete WR, bringing in Steve Smith and now this Vick signing, which I believe only freed up $1.5 Million in cap space (may be wrong about that though) and I see the writing on the wall that they will play hardball. They know that with the new CBA he has no leverage. He will have to play out his contract and take his services elsewhere next year. I really hope I am wrong, but I am not feeling good about my #10 Jersey purchase...

Relax. Eagles have only ever let a guy go before his prime once. Jeremiah Trotter. They recognized that mistake. Desean is in his prime. Eagles don't let guys go who have value to them. Desean will get paid.

 

[unckeyherb]

I have a feeling that Desean is as good as gone next year. The Eagles have one of the most shrewd FO's in the league and I think the risk is not worth the reward for them. Desean wants big time money and while I agree that he is one of the most electric players in the league he is not going to get top WR money. He had 47 receptions last year (although, he does a lot with them). Throw in his durability concerns, the reality that Maclin was/is a more complete WR, bringing in Steve Smith and now this Vick signing, which I believe only freed up $1.5 Million in cap space (may be wrong about that though) and I see the writing on the wall that they will play hardball. They know that with the new CBA he has no leverage. He will have to play out his contract and take his services elsewhere next year. I really hope I am wrong, but I am not feeling good about my #10 Jersey purchase...

Relax. Eagles have only ever let a guy go before his prime once. Jeremiah Trotter. They recognized that mistake. Desean is in his prime. Eagles don't let guys go who have value to them. Desean will get paid.

I hope you are right. I'll say this, they have proven time and again that they are willing to cut ties with someone they feel is not worth it. See Duce, Trotter, TO, Lito, Dawk, Sheldon. Not saying that they made bad decisions on most of them-actually think they have an uncanny knack for determining the exact year a player will start to decline, then subtracting by one. My point is though, that once they make a decision about a player (which I get the feeling they have regarding Desean-just my opinion) they have no qualms about carrying it out-even if at the time it seems ludicrous.I'm probably being a little "sky is falling" overboard; I know.

 

[dhockster]

I have a feeling that Desean is as good as gone next year. The Eagles have one of the most shrewd FO's in the league and I think the risk is not worth the reward for them. Desean wants big time money and while I agree that he is one of the most electric players in the league he is not going to get top WR money. He had 47 receptions last year (although, he does a lot with them). Throw in his durability concerns, the reality that Maclin was/is a more complete WR, bringing in Steve Smith and now this Vick signing, which I believe only freed up $1.5 Million in cap space (may be wrong about that though) and I see the writing on the wall that they will play hardball. They know that with the new CBA he has no leverage. He will have to play out his contract and take his services elsewhere next year. I really hope I am wrong, but I am not feeling good about my #10 Jersey purchase...

I think Desean's value is not necessarily in his # of catches but also what he does to opposing defenses to stretch the field and open things up for other guys (Maclin, Celek, McCoy) to be productive.I would keep in mind that the Eagles structured Vicks deal the way they did already knowing how they were going to proceed with Desean. I don't know if that means they are going to sign him to a long-term deal or not, but the Eagles know what their plans are. I think he has enough intrinsic value to extend his contract so that the Eagles have him locked him up for the next 3 years. He could get a very good signing bonus this year and a much higher base salary the next two years. The Eagles would not be on the hook for too long as I think he is an injury risk long-term. If Desean stays healthy, he could still get another big contract in 3 years (with the Eagles or somebody else).I also would not be surprised if the Eagles ultimately let Desean walk.

 

[zadok]

IMO, Desean is getting paid and will be on the Eagles in 2012 one way or another. Either he gets a new deal now or he is Franchised in 6 months.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

IMO, Desean is getting paid and will be on the Eagles in 2012 one way or another. Either he gets a new deal now or he is Franchised in 6 months.

Doesnt he still have 2 years left on his deal? This year and next?

 

[unckeyherb]

IMO, Desean is getting paid and will be on the Eagles in 2012 one way or another. Either he gets a new deal now or he is Franchised in 6 months.

Doesnt he still have 2 years left on his deal? This year and next?

I believe 2011 is the final year of his rookie contract.

 

[Insein]

IMO, Desean is getting paid and will be on the Eagles in 2012 one way or another. Either he gets a new deal now or he is Franchised in 6 months.

Doesnt he still have 2 years left on his deal? This year and next?

I believe 2011 is the final year of his rookie contract.

Correct. That was why he showed up on 8/9. He can be a FA after this season if the Eagles don't extend him.

 

[Irish Chaos]

IMO, Desean is getting paid and will be on the Eagles in 2012 one way or another. Either he gets a new deal now or he is Franchised in 6 months.

Doesnt he still have 2 years left on his deal? This year and next?

I believe 2011 is the final year of his rookie contract.

Correct. That was why he showed up on 8/9. He can be a FA after this season if the Eagles don't extend him.

This is probably a dumb question....but does this mean the only incentive the eagles have to give him a big contract is so he will remain with the team instead of losing him to free agency? I'm probably one of the more frugal people but I really dont think i would give him half of fitz's contract...

 

[Insein]

IMO, Desean is getting paid and will be on the Eagles in 2012 one way or another. Either he gets a new deal now or he is Franchised in 6 months.

Doesnt he still have 2 years left on his deal? This year and next?

I believe 2011 is the final year of his rookie contract.

Correct. That was why he showed up on 8/9. He can be a FA after this season if the Eagles don't extend him.

This is probably a dumb question....but does this mean the only incentive the eagles have to give him a big contract is so he will remain with the team instead of losing him to free agency? I'm probably one of the more frugal people but I really dont think i would give him half of fitz's contract...

Well they can always franchise him next year. They can make him play at $555k this year and there's nothing Desean can do about it. Then they can franchise him next year and give him top 5 money. Franchise hurts the cap though. I doubt the Eagles do that. DJax won't get Fitzgerald money. Fitz is paid as the best WR in the league because he's top 3 easily. Desean is arguably top 10 and I see a contract similar to Santonio's. Banner will find a way to fit it in the cap and make it so that they can cut ties after 3 seasons if necessary. It's what he does. Don't worry, Desean will get signed and it won't hurt the team's ability to sign other guys in the future.

 

[dhockster]

If you look at Vick's deal based on the link below, The Eagles can cut him after 3 years and they will only have $2.8 million in dead cap money. So, in effect, they are only locked into this deal for 3 years. Based on Vick's potential health over the next few years, that is much more manageable than being locked in for 6 years.

http://www.eaglescap.com/Players/MichaelVick.html

 

[Jason Wood]

Getting Vick signed was huge b/c it takes away Jackson's optionality.

Realistically we would be in line to franchise DJax next year, so he and the Eagles brass both know that any "guaranteed" money has to be $12 million or more. The key will be just how out of his mind Jackson is in terms of his value. I could see Philly guaranteeing him $20-$25mm and giving him a contract of $10-$12mm over three years (the out years would be for headlines, but meaningless otherwise). Will he want more? The Eagles won't feel compelled to do much more than that b/c of the tag.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

I think Desean's value is not necessarily in his # of catches but also what he does to opposing defenses to stretch the field and open things up for other guys (Maclin, Celek, McCoy) to be productive.

I heard Sal Pal on ESPN say this very thing yesterday - and I would agree with both of you.

 

[Insein]

Getting Vick signed was huge b/c it takes away Jackson's optionality.Realistically we would be in line to franchise DJax next year, so he and the Eagles brass both know that any "guaranteed" money has to be $12 million or more. The key will be just how out of his mind Jackson is in terms of his value. I could see Philly guaranteeing him $20-$25mm and giving him a contract of $10-$12mm over three years (the out years would be for headlines, but meaningless otherwise). Will he want more? The Eagles won't feel compelled to do much more than that b/c of the tag.

We do vilify Rosenhaus but there's one thing he's good at. Getting his client's paid. If he feels that the Eagles have the best offer possible for Desean, he'll advise him to take it. If he feels that he can get Desean more money in 2013 when the Eagles let him go, then he'll advise him for that. Its up to Desean, like you said, how much risk he wants to take on his own end. He can get pretty well paid now and be secure for the next 3 years or so or he can go all in and risk his career to get the big pay day in 2 seasons. I think Desean will be moderately reasonable and realize that he's not in the same tier as Fitz, AJ and CJ. If asks around the Holmes area, I think he'll get it.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Getting Vick signed was huge b/c it takes away Jackson's optionality.Realistically we would be in line to franchise DJax next year, so he and the Eagles brass both know that any "guaranteed" money has to be $12 million or more. The key will be just how out of his mind Jackson is in terms of his value. I could see Philly guaranteeing him $20-$25mm and giving him a contract of $10-$12mm over three years (the out years would be for headlines, but meaningless otherwise). Will he want more? The Eagles won't feel compelled to do much more than that b/c of the tag.

I'm curious as to who you would compare him for contractual comparisons. Would VJax be a good basis of comparison? Obviously Fitz is too high.Here are Fitz's numbers:8/20/2011: Signed an eight-year, $128.5 million contract. The deal contains $50 million guaranteed, including a $10 million signing bonus and first-year roster bonus of $8 million. Fitzgerald is eligible for annual $250,000 workout bonuses in years two through eight. 2011: $2 million2012: $5 million (+ $6 million roster bonus due 3/31)2013: $5 million (+ $10 million option bonus due 3/15)2014: $12.75 million2015: $8 million (+ $8 million roster bonus)2016: $15 million2017-2018: $14.75 million2019: Free AgentSo realistically Fitz's $16+ mil/year is overstated. Not sure where the guarantees really are, but no way DeSean is above $10M / year.Andre Johnson signed a 7yr/$62M deal last year - which looks relatively cheap.So what do you think - 5/$40-45 for DeSean? I would guess that they do that once the year clicks over via the franchise tag so that they can afford him better with the cap tight now for 2011 (only 4-5M left).

 

[Deranged Hermit]

DeSean's deal will come. They needed to get Vick's deal done first to know what cap space they have to play with in future years.

 

[Insein]

Getting Vick signed was huge b/c it takes away Jackson's optionality.Realistically we would be in line to franchise DJax next year, so he and the Eagles brass both know that any "guaranteed" money has to be $12 million or more. The key will be just how out of his mind Jackson is in terms of his value. I could see Philly guaranteeing him $20-$25mm and giving him a contract of $10-$12mm over three years (the out years would be for headlines, but meaningless otherwise). Will he want more? The Eagles won't feel compelled to do much more than that b/c of the tag.

I'm curious as to who you would compare him for contractual comparisons. Would VJax be a good basis of comparison? Obviously Fitz is too high.Here are Fitz's numbers:8/20/2011: Signed an eight-year, $128.5 million contract. The deal contains $50 million guaranteed, including a $10 million signing bonus and first-year roster bonus of $8 million. Fitzgerald is eligible for annual $250,000 workout bonuses in years two through eight. 2011: $2 million2012: $5 million (+ $6 million roster bonus due 3/31)2013: $5 million (+ $10 million option bonus due 3/15)2014: $12.75 million2015: $8 million (+ $8 million roster bonus)2016: $15 million2017-2018: $14.75 million2019: Free AgentSo realistically Fitz's $16+ mil/year is overstated. Not sure where the guarantees really are, but no way DeSean is above $10M / year.Andre Johnson signed a 7yr/$62M deal last year - which looks relatively cheap.So what do you think - 5/$40-45 for DeSean? I would guess that they do that once the year clicks over via the franchise tag so that they can afford him better with the cap tight now for 2011 (only 4-5M left).

Thats about the Santonio area. He got 5yrs, $45mil, $24.5mil guaranteed.

 

[Jason Wood]

Getting Vick signed was huge b/c it takes away Jackson's optionality.Realistically we would be in line to franchise DJax next year, so he and the Eagles brass both know that any "guaranteed" money has to be $12 million or more. The key will be just how out of his mind Jackson is in terms of his value. I could see Philly guaranteeing him $20-$25mm and giving him a contract of $10-$12mm over three years (the out years would be for headlines, but meaningless otherwise). Will he want more? The Eagles won't feel compelled to do much more than that b/c of the tag.

I'm curious as to who you would compare him for contractual comparisons. Would VJax be a good basis of comparison? Obviously Fitz is too high.Here are Fitz's numbers:8/20/2011: Signed an eight-year, $128.5 million contract. The deal contains $50 million guaranteed, including a $10 million signing bonus and first-year roster bonus of $8 million. Fitzgerald is eligible for annual $250,000 workout bonuses in years two through eight. 2011: $2 million2012: $5 million (+ $6 million roster bonus due 3/31)2013: $5 million (+ $10 million option bonus due 3/15)2014: $12.75 million2015: $8 million (+ $8 million roster bonus)2016: $15 million2017-2018: $14.75 million2019: Free AgentSo realistically Fitz's $16+ mil/year is overstated. Not sure where the guarantees really are, but no way DeSean is above $10M / year.Andre Johnson signed a 7yr/$62M deal last year - which looks relatively cheap.So what do you think - 5/$40-45 for DeSean? I would guess that they do that once the year clicks over via the franchise tag so that they can afford him better with the cap tight now for 2011 (only 4-5M left).

Well, I think we always have to look at the most recent FA deals as the top comparison, because agents will always point to those as "setting the market." Holmes got $24mm guaranteed, and has other similarities to Jackson. He's smallish (5'11", 192 pounds), and doesn't have the eye popping stats that necessarily justify being paid like one of THE top receivers.I'm sure Jackson won't take less than what Sidney Rice got, who had one good season and lots of injuries beyond that. Rice got a 5-year, $41mm deal that included $18.5 million in guarantees.I would think the Eagles will offer $20mm guaranteed and Jackson will ask for $30+, and they'll meet in the middle with $25-$26, just so Jackson can say he got the most guaranteed money of anyone at his position outside of Fitz.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Getting Vick signed was huge b/c it takes away Jackson's optionality.Realistically we would be in line to franchise DJax next year, so he and the Eagles brass both know that any "guaranteed" money has to be $12 million or more. The key will be just how out of his mind Jackson is in terms of his value. I could see Philly guaranteeing him $20-$25mm and giving him a contract of $10-$12mm over three years (the out years would be for headlines, but meaningless otherwise). Will he want more? The Eagles won't feel compelled to do much more than that b/c of the tag.

We do vilify Rosenhaus but there's one thing he's good at. Getting his client's paid. If he feels that the Eagles have the best offer possible for Desean, he'll advise him to take it. If he feels that he can get Desean more money in 2013 when the Eagles let him go, then he'll advise him for that. Its up to Desean, like you said, how much risk he wants to take on his own end. He can get pretty well paid now and be secure for the next 3 years or so or he can go all in and risk his career to get the big pay day in 2 seasons. I think Desean will be moderately reasonable and realize that he's not in the same tier as Fitz, AJ and CJ. If asks around the Holmes area, I think he'll get it.

Based on Holmes, my guesstimate looks good:Holmes:7/30/2011: Signed a five-year, $45.25 million contract. The deal contains $24 million guaranteed. 2011: $1 million, 2012-2015: Under Contract, 2016: Free Agent

 

[CentralPA]

DeSean's deal will come. They needed to get Vick's deal done first to know what cap space they have to play with in future years.

Isn't Vick's deal already set? I think with the deal they have in place they now have 4 million left in cap space this year. Not sure how it will project out to next year.