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*** Official 2011 San Francisco 49ers Thread *** (1 Viewer)

Really interesting blog post from Mike Sando:http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/40699/reflections-on-harbaughs-coaching-roots

Jim Harbaugh's reverence for Bill Walsh has been palpable since the San Francisco 49ers named him head coach this offseason.Harbaugh has sought to round up old coaching tapes featuring Walsh installing game plans. He has embraced Walsh's offensive philosophy, pledging to run a similar version of the West Coast system. He has paid homage to 49ers tradition. Before Walsh died in 2007, he backed Harbaugh at Stanford, where Walsh was twice head coach. Walsh even spoke to players at Harbaugh's first spring practice.Harbaugh has also been around the NFL long enough to know the league has produced a long list of outstanding coaches, even if few match Walsh in terms of success and overall legacy.Lindy Infante was one of those coaches in Harbaugh's eyes."Lindy doesn't get near the credit that Bill Walsh does," Harbaugh said this offseason, "but in many ways they are equals in terms of football minds. I never played for Bill Walsh, but there's no question in my mind."This statement struck me as profound, but context is key. Harbaugh wasn't comparing their careers. He was comparing football acumen. One of the things Harbaugh admires most about Infante, who coached him in Indianapolis and is now retired, applies directly to Harbaugh's current challenge with the 49ers."It would be the ability to make a quarterback really play well," Harbaugh said.Not just any quarterback, but quarterbacks with limitations."I went to the Pro Bowl playing for Lindy and up until that point, I wasn't thought of as a good quarterback at all," Harbaugh said. "But coaching made a difference."Bernie Kosar and Don Majkowski enjoyed their best statistical seasons with Infante coaching them.[+] EnlargeDon CoryellPhoto by George Rose/Getty ImagesThe passing concepts taught by longtime NFL coach Don Coryell influenced the coaches who influenced Jim Harbaugh.All of this came to mind Thursday during our blog discussion measuring Don Coryell's impact on Walsh and, by extension, on the 49ers.Coryell never won a championship as a head coach, but he affected modern football tremendously through his innovative scheming.Walsh served as Coryell's offensive coordinator before landing at Stanford and, two years later, with the 49ers. Though Walsh and Infante never worked together, Coryell influenced both. Infante expanded upon Coryell's innovations while serving as offensive coordinator for the Cincinnati Bengals during the early 1980s. The concepts became staples within offenses around the league, including the one Infante taught to Harbaugh while both were with the Colts during the 1990s.Infante, reached by phone at his Florida home, spoke specifically of the option routes Coryell used in San Diego to make Chargers tight end Kellen Winslow more dangerous.The way Infante tells it, he was studying the Chargers' offense under Coryell when something unusual stood out on film. San Diego would run what appeared to be the same play from the same formation, but Winslow seemed to be acting on his own.The first time, Winslow might run 12 yards and break toward the outside right. Ten or 12 plays would pass, and then the same play would come up again, but this time Winslow would run a tight hook to the inside, getting open for a first down. A quarter might pass and the same play would appear, with Winslow breaking across the field to his left."I kept writing these things down and diagramming them and I sat back and said, 'It looks to me like they are giving Winslow the right to go where he wants to go,' " Infante said. "We started playing around with what we call the 'Y' or tight end option. The first day out on the practice field, we had a full scrimmage and I said, 'Here goes, we're going to find out whether this thing is going to work.' "It worked."By about the third or fourth time we ran it, Kenny Anderson and the tight end, Danny Ross, ended up on the same timing-type situation, but the quarterback got to the point where he could tell where the receiver was going to go way before he went," Infante said. "He was trying to get the ball there early and we had the ball hit Danny Ross in the face because he couldn't get turned around fast enough. We had to do some on-the-job training, but that is what got us thinking."If the tight end could make such adjustments, Infante thought, why couldn't wide receivers do the same? If wide receivers could do it, why not the running backs? Before long, receivers could have as many as five options on a particular route based on the coverage, blitzes and the other factors.Ross caught 71 passes for 910 yards and five touchdowns in 1981. He was on pace for even bigger numbers a year later, finishing the strike-shortened 1982 season with 47 catches for 508 yards in just nine games. Ross went to the Pro Bowl that season."It evolved to the point where we were doing a lot of option-route running, a lot of route adjustments after the snap of the ball and the quarterback would have the right to change certain plays if certain things were going on," Infante said. "It was exciting because it was inventive and you had to feel free to go and try to invent something. When I started coaching with Harbaugh, they brought me in to Indianapolis and the idea was I would bring my offense with me."Harbaugh finished his playing career under Ted Marchibroda (Baltimore Ravens), Mike Riley (San Diego Chargers) and Marty Mornhinweg (Detroit Lions). He coached under Bill Callahan in Oakland before becoming a head coach at the University of San Diego and then Stanford.The lockout has prevented Harbaugh and offensive coordinator Greg Roman from installing their offense with the 49ers. The coaching staff has used the time to refine exactly how they'll present information to players once the lockout finally does end.Players might not know it, but former coaches will influence the process, at least indirectly."For this offense, there's a lot of Lindy Infante principles," Harbaugh said, "but I don't think it's exclusive to this offense. You talk about the option routes. The smash route now is a universally run route, but that was Lindy Infante."From a quarterback standpoint, I learned from him that there were more ways to read a route than just through a progression. I learned how to throw people open from him, that covered did not mean covered. That is a huge part of football now. The whole option game, the option routes, the smash concepts -- all those things I learned from him. He was very technical, very detailed. Just a different way to understand the passing game is what I learned from him."
This makes me pretty excited about Davis, and perhaps Crabtree.
 
Crabtree hurt. Gore holding out. Alex Smith still the qb (that honestly makes me wonder how hurt Crabtree really is as it's clear the two are not fond of the other).

Clements cut. FA's going everywhere but SF.

:sadbanana:

 
Crabtree hurt. Gore holding out. Alex Smith still the qb (that honestly makes me wonder how hurt Crabtree really is as it's clear the two are not fond of the other). Clements cut. FA's going everywhere but SF. :sadbanana:
disappointing. Rams, cardinals improving. 49ers getting worse every day.
 
you have to think that he is literally just going to tank the season and then work from the top of the draft to rebuild his team. Problem is, the more you tank, the less people want to play for you. The other problem is the 49ers star talent like willis, smith, gore etc...are exactly young. Plus you had willis say he's tired of losing the other day. that's never a good sign

 
who would you have signed?

i would have liked to see a play made for joseph...and CB is still a hole with clements gone. but there was no pass rusher or qb available. :shrug: supply didnt fit need imo.

i'm bummed to see Baas go. i'd like to see franklin back (doubtful). not too concerned with the rest of our fas.

gore will be back in camp soon. crab will be ok before the season starts.

seattle is improved, but still is a headless horseman with no QB. StL upgraded their talent from terrible to below average, but didnt do squat to help bradford (sorry msw). I like AZ's moves, but they still have a terrible d. on paper SF still has the most talent in the division, but a huge hole at QB. our biggest offseason pickup was a coach who is a qb guru. i don't believe in smith, but with harbaugh...maybe just maybe it will click for alex. yah, right.

the sky is not falling, and the team still has a shot in the West.

 
I would have loved to see them make a play for Joseph as well. Aside from that I'm okay with the lack of throwing money around. Baas would have been a nice guy to keep. We'll see how this season goes but I think Smith's upside with Harbaugh is mediocrity. And that's pretty rough when that's the upside. Here's hoping Kaepernick is the answer and he steps up sooner rather than later.

 
Here is what I'd have done if possible. Agree with you and sign Baas and Franklin. Joseph would have been nice but got a huge offer from Houston so I'm ok with that. I would have let Alex Smith leave and picked up Orton if he could be gotten for a 3 or 4.

who would you have signed?i would have liked to see a play made for joseph...and CB is still a hole with clements gone. but there was no pass rusher or qb available. :shrug: supply didnt fit need imo.i'm bummed to see Baas go. i'd like to see franklin back (doubtful). not too concerned with the rest of our fas.gore will be back in camp soon. crab will be ok before the season starts. seattle is improved, but still is a headless horseman with no QB. StL upgraded their talent from terrible to below average, but didnt do squat to help bradford (sorry msw). I like AZ's moves, but they still have a terrible d. on paper SF still has the most talent in the division, but a huge hole at QB. our biggest offseason pickup was a coach who is a qb guru. i don't believe in smith, but with harbaugh...maybe just maybe it will click for alex. yah, right.the sky is not falling, and the team still has a shot in the West.
 
I'd rather keep Smith for this year and see if Kaepernick is the answer. With a possible suck for Luck type season. I am very, very happy the team did not trade for Orton. He's crap.

 
Here is what I'd have done if possible. Agree with you and sign Baas and Franklin. Joseph would have been nice but got a huge offer from Houston so I'm ok with that. I would have let Alex Smith leave and picked up Orton if he could be gotten for a 3 or 4
Orton wanted a contract like what Kolb got. Giving Kolb that kind of money was insane, giving it to Orton would be even worse. Plenty of good football players still available & prices are dropping by the day. The teams that have waited will be getting bargains instead of over spending.
 
Here is what I'd have done if possible. Agree with you and sign Baas and Franklin. Joseph would have been nice but got a huge offer from Houston so I'm ok with that. I would have let Alex Smith leave and picked up Orton if he could be gotten for a 3 or 4
Orton wanted a contract like what Kolb got. Giving Kolb that kind of money was insane, giving it to Orton would be even worse. Plenty of good football players still available & prices are dropping by the day. The teams that have waited will be getting bargains instead of over spending.
Hey, who let Baalke or Jed in here?
 
Here is what I'd have done if possible. Agree with you and sign Baas and Franklin. Joseph would have been nice but got a huge offer from Houston so I'm ok with that. I would have let Alex Smith leave and picked up Orton if he could be gotten for a 3 or 4
Orton wanted a contract like what Kolb got. Giving Kolb that kind of money was insane, giving it to Orton would be even worse. Plenty of good football players still available & prices are dropping by the day. The teams that have waited will be getting bargains instead of over spending.
Hey, who let Baalke or Jed in here?
I don't have a problem with how Baalke has handled this off season. The one thing I might have done differently was make a strong early run at Joseph, otherwise none of these guys are worth what they initially asked for. Both Goldson & Franklin have seen their market dry up & are now available at a much more reasonable price if wanted. Did anyone really want Clements back??? 49er fans were cussing him all last season. I would have preferred we kept Bass but really, last year when Heitmann went down it was debatable who would get the center spot between Bass & Synder. None of these losses has crippled this team, anymore so than it already was.
 
totally agree...so many fans are killing the 9ers across all the blogs...but really who was there to sign? They should've never went after Nnamdi and put more effort towards Joseph, but he was expensive and just because you offer guys a contract doesn't mean they will sign. We had to get rid of Clements for that cost and we are hurting big time at CB now. I believe teams have to be at the 123million cap on thursday Aug. 4th...so there could be some salary cuts and what not later in the week. As for Goldson...that guy needs to stop tweeting, haha! It also looks like Snyder will be fine taking over at center. I know things look pretty dismal now, but I believe we have a potentially great coach now and you can't expect a new staff to get immediate results, so it makes sense to not over pay for FAs. Also, let's say we get a top 2 pick...do you think the 9ers would take Luck or Landry Jones? I LOVE Kaepernick's potential under Harbaugh's guidance...I think we have to draft a CB next year and now that there is rookie slotting it would be a lot easier to move around in the draft order. Go 9ers!

who would you have signed?i would have liked to see a play made for joseph...and CB is still a hole with clements gone. but there was no pass rusher or qb available. :shrug: supply didnt fit need imo.i'm bummed to see Baas go. i'd like to see franklin back (doubtful). not too concerned with the rest of our fas.gore will be back in camp soon. crab will be ok before the season starts. seattle is improved, but still is a headless horseman with no QB. StL upgraded their talent from terrible to below average, but didnt do squat to help bradford (sorry msw). I like AZ's moves, but they still have a terrible d. on paper SF still has the most talent in the division, but a huge hole at QB. our biggest offseason pickup was a coach who is a qb guru. i don't believe in smith, but with harbaugh...maybe just maybe it will click for alex. yah, right.the sky is not falling, and the team still has a shot in the West.
 
I'd rather keep Smith for this year and see if Kaepernick is the answer. With a possible suck for Luck type season. I am very, very happy the team did not trade for Orton. He's crap.
Agreed. :thumbup: Orton is being way overrated around here based on putting up pretty numbers in McD's pass happy system. I don't see him as better than Alex :ph34r: . Kap is the future, let Smith keep the seat warm until he's ready.
 
Making some news today. Sent an email to every team saying Taylor Mays is on the trading block. Signed Braylon Edwards. Signed Donte Whitner. :thumbup:

 
Lots of offseason overreaction about this team. Lost Baas and Clements and got killed for it, but ended up replacing them with players at least as good. Looks like Goldson is out, but he regressed last year after a promising 2009. I'm a little confused as to why they were apathetic about losing Franklin, but nobody else was in a rush to sign him either. By far the worst thing that has happened this preseason is the Crabtree injury - that injury could really hurt.

 
Liking the moves so far.

Clements --> Rogers

Goldson --> Whitner

Baas --> Goodwin

All upgrades in my book. And Braylon is just a "what the hell, let's see what happens" signing. Nothing to lose on that one. Getting excited about the season.

 
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Liking the moves so far.Clements --> RogersGoldson --> WhitnerBaas --> GoodwinAll upgrades in my book. And Braylon is just a "what the hell, let's see what happens" signing. Nothing to lose on that one. Getting excited about the season.
:goodposting: I actually love the Braylon 1yr/$1mil signing. Before his acquisition, our #3 WR was Ted ####### Ginn. Ginn as anything higher than a WR5 is scary.Trips Crab/Braylon/Morgan with VD and Gore....improvement. :thumbup:
 
Goldson re-signed, never thought that would happen after the last week or two.

With all the good praise being heaped on Aldon Smith, this defense looks like it may actually be improved from last seasons. I've never been a big fan of Fangio's defense but hopefully he can work some magic with this underperforming squad.

 
I was entirely ticked a couple of weeks ago, but I like the quiet signings that the niners have made. I'd still like them to get a bit more depth at WR and DB, but that's true on a lot of teams.

 
Josh McCown was signed a few days ago. Taylor Mays was just traded to the Bengals for an undisclosed draft pick. No idea what Mays must have done behind the scenes to fall out of favor but I'll trust Harbaugh on this one.

 
Josh McCown was signed a few days ago. Taylor Mays was just traded to the Bengals for an undisclosed draft pick. No idea what Mays must have done behind the scenes to fall out of favor but I'll trust Harbaugh on this one.
I had hoped that Singletary saw something he could work with in Mays that wasn't apparent to most of us when he drafted him last year. Obviously he was what we thought he was. Hopefully they got at least a 6th for him.
 
the 49ers looked like easily one of the worst teams in the league (as did seattle).

 
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Bay area teams are just stuck in mediocrity. Just bad enough to miss the playoffs and good enough where they will never get the #1 pick.

 
It's 2007 all over again.
It's possible. But unlike 2007, Alex Smith looks not awful. That's not to say I want this guy as the qb of the future. Or that I want him with the team next year. Or even that he's good. But he's completing an above average percent of his passes and has only thrown 1 interception through 3 games. He's taking too many sacks (throw it away!) and his ypa is lower than I'd like but let's face it - what he's doing now is a huge upgrade from what we're used to recently. It's low standards but it's better than what we feared.In 2007 he started decently then got hurt...and came back and was absolutely horrid. He claimed he was still hurt. :shrug:
 
It's 2007 all over again.
It's possible. But unlike 2007, Alex Smith looks not awful. That's not to say I want this guy as the qb of the future. Or that I want him with the team next year. Or even that he's good. But he's completing an above average percent of his passes and has only thrown 1 interception through 3 games. He's taking too many sacks (throw it away!) and his ypa is lower than I'd like but let's face it - what he's doing now is a huge upgrade from what we're used to recently. It's low standards but it's better than what we feared.In 2007 he started decently then got hurt...and came back and was absolutely horrid. He claimed he was still hurt. :shrug:
Alex is playing like a backup QB at best. He still has loopy throws, still stares down routes, etc. The offense looks as bad as Hostler's. They faced a rook at QB, and Smith fared a bit better than Dalton. When you can't count the number of good throws on one hand, you don't have a good QB at the helm. Every week it's "Alex made a couple of nice throws". Alex had better production under Jimmy Raye, and that was due to he drawing up plays Smith could handle. Bring a more dynamic offense, and the offense as a whole sucks hard. Getting better at QB should be priority #1 for the future. That means flushing Smith down the crapper.
 
It's 2007 all over again.
It's possible. But unlike 2007, Alex Smith looks not awful. That's not to say I want this guy as the qb of the future. Or that I want him with the team next year. Or even that he's good. But he's completing an above average percent of his passes and has only thrown 1 interception through 3 games. He's taking too many sacks (throw it away!) and his ypa is lower than I'd like but let's face it - what he's doing now is a huge upgrade from what we're used to recently. It's low standards but it's better than what we feared.In 2007 he started decently then got hurt...and came back and was absolutely horrid. He claimed he was still hurt. :shrug:
Alex is playing like a backup QB at best. He still has loopy throws, still stares down routes, etc. The offense looks as bad as Hostler's. They faced a rook at QB, and Smith fared a bit better than Dalton. When you can't count the number of good throws on one hand, you don't have a good QB at the helm. Every week it's "Alex made a couple of nice throws". Alex had better production under Jimmy Raye, and that was due to he drawing up plays Smith could handle. Bring a more dynamic offense, and the offense as a whole sucks hard. Getting better at QB should be priority #1 for the future. That means flushing Smith down the crapper.
Re-read what I said. I said he's not the qb of the future. Nor do I want him to return next year. I simply said he's looking not awful. It's true.
 
It's 2007 all over again.
It's possible. But unlike 2007, Alex Smith looks not awful. That's not to say I want this guy as the qb of the future. Or that I want him with the team next year. Or even that he's good. But he's completing an above average percent of his passes and has only thrown 1 interception through 3 games. He's taking too many sacks (throw it away!) and his ypa is lower than I'd like but let's face it - what he's doing now is a huge upgrade from what we're used to recently. It's low standards but it's better than what we feared.

In 2007 he started decently then got hurt...and came back and was absolutely horrid. He claimed he was still hurt. :shrug:
Alex is playing like a backup QB at best. He still has loopy throws, still stares down routes, etc. The offense looks as bad as Hostler's. They faced a rook at QB, and Smith fared a bit better than Dalton. When you can't count the number of good throws on one hand, you don't have a good QB at the helm. Every week it's "Alex made a couple of nice throws". Alex had better production under Jimmy Raye, and that was due to he drawing up plays Smith could handle. Bring a more dynamic offense, and the offense as a whole sucks hard.

Getting better at QB should be priority #1 for the future. That means flushing Smith down the crapper.
Re-read what I said. I said he's not the qb of the future. Nor do I want him to return next year. I simply said he's looking not awful. It's true.
Sorry, I forgot this was all about you.
 
When you quoted my post it seemed like you were responding to me. That's how things work around here. You've been here since 2006 and must surely realize this.

I get Smith sucks. Every Niners fan does. He's not the answer. But you've been a confrontational tool more than once in this thread and to more than one person. Walk away from your computer and take a deep breath.

 
When you quoted my post it seemed like you were responding to me. That's how things work around here. You've been here since 2006 and must surely realize this.I get Smith sucks. Every Niners fan does. He's not the answer. But you've been a confrontational tool more than once in this thread and to more than one person. Walk away from your computer and take a deep breath.
Oh, now I get the dreaded "This is how it works around here Bro". Saying Smith is "not awful" is really going out there on a limb there. I assume you've spent all day behind your computer to come up with something as vapid as that.
 
When you quoted my post it seemed like you were responding to me. That's how things work around here. You've been here since 2006 and must surely realize this.I get Smith sucks. Every Niners fan does. He's not the answer. But you've been a confrontational tool more than once in this thread and to more than one person. Walk away from your computer and take a deep breath.
Oh, now I get the dreaded "This is how it works around here Bro". Saying Smith is "not awful" is really going out there on a limb there. I assume you've spent all day behind your computer to come up with something as vapid as that.
I'm trying to be nice with you but I don't know what your problem is. I stated Smith hasn't sucked horribly. With a passer rating in the 90's prior to today's game he's been much better than feared/expected. Then you responded with an overly emotional response. I'll assume this is a misunderstanding and me interpreting things differently than you're meaning. Let's hope Vick is out for next week. :thumbup:
 
When you quoted my post it seemed like you were responding to me. That's how things work around here. You've been here since 2006 and must surely realize this.I get Smith sucks. Every Niners fan does. He's not the answer. But you've been a confrontational tool more than once in this thread and to more than one person. Walk away from your computer and take a deep breath.
Oh, now I get the dreaded "This is how it works around here Bro". Saying Smith is "not awful" is really going out there on a limb there. I assume you've spent all day behind your computer to come up with something as vapid as that.
I'm trying to be nice with you but I don't know what your problem is. I stated Smith hasn't sucked horribly. With a passer rating in the 90's prior to today's game he's been much better than feared/expected. Then you responded with an overly emotional response. I'll assume this is a misunderstanding and me interpreting things differently than you're meaning. Let's hope Vick is out for next week. :thumbup:
You're really full of yourself today. You went from "Smith wasn't awful" to this ^^^^While including passer rating to boot.
 


I'll assume this is a misunderstanding and me interpreting things differently than you're meaning.

Let's hope Vick is out for next week. :thumbup:
You're really full of yourself today. You went from "Smith wasn't awful" to this ^^^^While including passer rating to boot.
This is my olive branch. Let's move on.
I recommend the ignore feature
It is 2007 all over again.
 
:excited:

What a comeback. I'm still not a Smith supporter but it's time to give credit where it's due. He looked awful...then the game is over and he's 21/33 for 291 yards and 2 touchdowns? With no interceptions? What happened?

It was 23-3 at one point. And SF's offense is questionable at best.

Yes, Philly had yet another meltdown. But Smith played a great second half and with each week gives us hope of continued mediocrity at the quarterback position. It's been ugly but we're 3-1.

3-1.

:banned:

 
When you quoted my post it seemed like you were responding to me. That's how things work around here. You've been here since 2006 and must surely realize this.I get Smith sucks. Every Niners fan does. He's not the answer. But you've been a confrontational tool more than once in this thread and to more than one person. Walk away from your computer and take a deep breath.
Oh, now I get the dreaded "This is how it works around here Bro". Saying Smith is "not awful" is really going out there on a limb there. I assume you've spent all day behind your computer to come up with something as vapid as that.
Actually it's how it works everywhere Ace. New to the innerwebs?
 
The good and the bad:

Anthony Davis was beat play after play after play after play. I know he's still extremely young but right now it's painful to watch him try stopping anyone. Staley and Iupati are doing a good job on the left side but it does no good to have half an o-line.

Navarro Bowman! He replaced Takeo Spikes this year and is looking incredible. He's leading the NFL in solo tackles. Aldon Smith also looks great. Our linebackers have the promise of being something special. :yes:

 

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