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***Official 2012 Hot Stove Thread (1 Viewer)
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Mr. Know-It-All
Footballguy
When I look at ballpark adjustments I see that all of the aprks I suspect are offensive ballparks are there - the one the surprised me was Detroit...I thought that was a pitchers park. That said, Philly by any estimation is a hitters park - unless you happen to be facing Halladay - then no one hits.'dparker713 said:
Dr. Awesome
Footballguy
About an hour. Any fan who is able to make it to Oakland's current stadium will be able to show up to their new stadium.Edit to include map: http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&q=san+jose&gs_upl=1833l4809l0l5290l8l7l0l0l0l0l533l2218l1.0.2.2.1.1l7l0&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.,cf.osb&biw=1280&bih=737&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=0x808fcae48af93ff5:0xb99d8c0aca9f717b,San+Jose,+CA&gl=us&ei=dEb3Tv67KIWmiQLIuYy-Dg&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&ct=image&resnum=1&ved=0CDQQ8gEwAA
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Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
Since San Jose has the most people of any city in the Bay Area, this makes a lot of sense. The Oakland folks will still come down, and you'll develop the next generation of fans from San Jose. I just want them to get out of that awful stadium, gllllllllllll.
Captain Hook
Footballguy
Obviously depends on your league and the number of spots but Cole and then Peacock should definitely be rostered in AL only leaguesSorry, talking strictly about fantasy baseball and rostering one of those kids in my minor league spot. I thought my original question would've made that clear.
Eephus
Footballguy
The Athletics are going to lose a lot of East Bay fans if the San Jose ballpark ever gets built
Good Posting Judge
Footballguy
I live in the East Bay (I can see the current stadium from the top of our street) and I'm happy they're moving. There's no money in Oakland.
Dr. Awesome
Footballguy
Who are these fans being lost to? Are they just going to stop following baseball? If they've suffered through the last few years of Oakland I doubt moving a few miles will scare them off. Where are the folk of Concord/Danville areas going to go? I'm sure some will move to the Giants but I'm pretty sure the East Bay folk who follow the team now will follow the team when (if) they move to San Jose.
dparker713
Footballguy
ESPN park factors for Citizens Bank 2011: 0.9972010: 0.9912009: 1.0282008: 1.029Only really one year where that park played as heavily hitter friendly in 2005. Most seasons its been right around league average.
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
Bailey's Boston bound with Ryan Sweeney
A's get Josh Reddick, 3B prospect Miles Head, Pitching prospect Raul Alcantara
A's get Josh Reddick, 3B prospect Miles Head, Pitching prospect Raul Alcantara
Eephus
Footballguy
A's 2012 payroll will be in the $35M range. They ought to be able to make nearly that much from just MLB revenue sharing payouts.
the moops
Footballguy
I guess Bard goes to the rotation for the Sox
Good Posting Judge
Footballguy
The Fremont plan ran into several snags, IIRC: There were some major environmental concerns with the site (in terms of the hazards nearby, not the environmental damage it would do) and not being able to get the necessary commitment from the city of Fremont, which leans heavily blue. Logistically, there really was no good way to get a BART stop close to the proposed ballpark site. You would still need buses or something. Oh, and then the economy crapped the bed.The upside would've been you wouldn't have any territory beef with SF because it's in Alameda County, but it was a doomed plan from the outset, IMO.
Good Posting Judge
Footballguy
What fight? Territorial rights can be changed with approval of 75% of the owners via vote. I'm sure that most owners are keen on having one fewer team on revenue-sharing welfare.My guess is that Oakland believes that there are enough owner votes to get this passed, hence the full tear-down which is now in progress. (down to under $25m in committed salary for next year!) Save money, stockpile talent for 2015, and batten down the hatches until then. The political issues will be tricky, but a lot less tricky in San Jose than a lot of other places. There's lots of corporate financing down there, and a relatively affluent population. The Sharks kill in San Jose.
And, c'mon, the A's gave those territorial rights to SF as a gesture of good faith. Not reciprocating is kind of a #### move, really.
I like Reddick, no real strong feelings on the other two or Sweeney. Bailey's kind of crummy away from Oakland for some reason.
the moops
Footballguy
Head #17, Alcantara #25 on Sox Prospects.Head is actually a 1B and blocked by Gonzalez for years. Alcantara is 19 years old and shows promise but is just too young to know how good he can be.
Dr. Awesome
Footballguy
Let's make a list of teams that are going to be worse than Oakland this year. I'll start:
jfranco77
Footballguy
I think you missed the AstrosLet's make a list of teams that are going to be worse than Oakland this year. I'll start:
dparker713
Footballguy
Seems like its taken Bud 2 years, but at this point the vote is probably 29-1 at worst.'Good said:What fight? Territorial rights can be changed with approval of 75% of the owners via vote. I'm sure that most owners are keen on having one fewer team on revenue-sharing welfare.My guess is that Oakland believes that there are enough owner votes to get this passed, hence the full tear-down which is now in progress. (down to under $25m in committed salary for next year!) Save money, stockpile talent for 2015, and batten down the hatches until then. The political issues will be tricky, but a lot less tricky in San Jose than a lot of other places. There's lots of corporate financing down there, and a relatively affluent population. The Sharks kill in San Jose.'Eephus said:
And, c'mon, the A's gave those territorial rights to SF as a gesture of good faith. Not reciprocating is kind of a #### move, really.
I like Reddick, no real strong feelings on the other two or Sweeney. Bailey's kind of crummy away from Oakland for some reason.
dparker713
Footballguy
I think Beane decided to get what he could for Bailey while he was healthy, rather than wait til the trade deadline.
Good Posting Judge
Footballguy
Bailey's probably good for about 2 WAR. Reddick did that as a rookie in half a season.
Eephus
Footballguy
True but WAR as a statistic doesn't think much of closersBailey's probably good for about 2 WAR. Reddick did that as a rookie in half a season.
shadyridr
Footballguy
i dont think reddick is anything special. i just think he had a hot stretchBailey's probably good for about 2 WAR. Reddick did that as a rookie in half a season.
Brady Marino
Footballguy
Padres acquire OF Carlos Quentin from White Sox for RHP Simon Castro and LHP Pedro Hernandez.
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
I could see PetCo absolutely crippling Q! mentally. He'll hit a ball that would have been 5 rows deep at US Cell, only to see it caught on the warning track. That will send him into a 2 month spiral as he tries to fix his swing.
Brady Marino
Footballguy
And when he fixes it, he'll end up on the DL and will lose whatever he gained.
Good Posting Judge
Footballguy
That's because closers aren't as valuable as position players and starting pitchers.True but WAR as a statistic doesn't think much of closersBailey's probably good for about 2 WAR. Reddick did that as a rookie in half a season.
RnR
Footballguy
This as big of a lock as St. Louis Bob's source on Pujols to STL?
Good Posting Judge
Footballguy
Crisp back to the A's for 7 million a year.
I mean, what the ####.
I mean, what the ####.
Eephus
Footballguy
Good Posting Judge
Footballguy
Fun fact: the last Athletics prospect to crack Baseball America's Top 20 was Carlos Pena. In 2002.
Dr. Awesome
Footballguy
Tanking.I guess he figures Crisp is decent enough and he can possibly flip him for some more low level prospects. Or worst case he rides him for the next two years when healthy until the prospects can take over.'Eephus said:A two year deal'Good said:
I have no idea what Beane is doing here
Can Oakland hit 60 wins this year? 70?
Captain Hook
Footballguy
BINGOOne injury to a starting OF of a contending team and Beane will take in another nice haul on Crisp
Eephus
Footballguy
Except Crisp is more injury prone than the average OF
Dr. Awesome
Footballguy
It's a gamble but it's not a terrible one. If Crisp gets hurt it's not going to cripple Oakland's chances of making the playoffs. They have to spend some money. Might as well spend it on a guy who could really help the team.
I understand it. Melancon is a decent arm. Red Sox need bullpen help and got a good, cheap arm. he's only 26 and has 4+ years before he becomes free agent eligible.Lowrie is not exactly a 22 year old big time prospect any longer, he's 27, will be 28 first month of the season. There are younger, higher ceiling guys behind him. A change of scenery was probably needed, so if anything, Red Sox probably did him a favor by moving him to a club where he should easily get 500+ ab's and a few years without anyone pushing him too hard. He couldn't beat out Scutaro who was playing with one shoulder for an every day job.Is it possible he blossoms into a Ben Zobrist type player, kind of out of nowhere? Sure it is. But I don't think the Red Sox thought that was going to happen in Boston. Red Sox bullpen becomes a whole lot younger and a #### load cheaper in a few months. Whether it becomes good or not is yet to be determined, but I think they are better off having just a few million tied up in the likes of Bailey, MElancon, and either a Bard or Aceves, and the likes of Jenks, Albers, et al Then having 15-20 million tied up with a Papelbon, Wheeler, etc..'Matthias said:
the moops
Footballguy
YepIm thinking they wanted to make Melancon closer and move Bard to the rotation and didnt realize Bailey would be available
Captain Hook
Footballguy
sorry guys but this is just wrong - everyone knew Bailey was available......granted Melancon could have been obtained as a Plan B but they wanted him as the 8th inning guy to move Bard into the rotation not as the closerYepIm thinking they wanted to make Melancon closer and move Bard to the rotation and didnt realize Bailey would be available
Brady Marino
Footballguy
Carlos Zambrano and $16 mil of his $18 mil contract in 2012 to the Marlins for Chris Volstad.
So, the Cubs get to pay $16 mil for Chris Volstad. WINNING
So, the Cubs get to pay $16 mil for Chris Volstad. WINNING
boubucarow
Footballguy
The fact that they got anything out of it is a win. Staff filler with no future financial ties is better than I could have hoped (if in fact the reported deal is complete). Of course, we will get to see Big Z turn it around in Miami. Not that it matters, it wouldn't have happened in Chicago.'Brady Marino said:
