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***Official 2013/2014 NHL Regular Season Thread*** (1 Viewer)
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rockaction
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Yeah, just surprised. St. Louis played in the ECAC when I was going to school at an ECAC school. Sort of always followed his career. The TB-Calgary series was when I thought LeCavalier would be the best goal-scorer in hockey.
Regardless, I'm not as up as you guys. Big trade.
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where did you go?
I went to school with Marty at UVM. He was a year behind me but had some friends in common.
Time Kibitzer
Footballguy
That's true, but perhaps there's a team out there that has the cap space and thinks they have a good shot of re-signing that would be willing to make that kind of trade.
rockaction
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northern exposure
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RUSF18
Footballguy
Don't love giving up the 2015 1st but I think Acer is being a bit too sentimental on Callahan. His skills have eroded, doesn't sniff much PP time anymore, he gets hurt pretty frequently, and his contract demands were insane. You can't pay up for intangibles in a cap league. Hell, I'd rather give away every 1st for 6 years than be saddled with him for 6 years at $6MM and with a NMC, which is what he demanded. I'm pissed enough at Sather for going that high in years/$ in the first place.
I'd be really surprised if he sniffs anything near that on the open market from a contending team. I think that's why the price paid for MSL was so high, because Callahan had little value to the rest of the league once everyone knew what he was looking for in free agency. The only name ever connected in a deal, prior to this one, was Chris Stewart, which should tell you something. He'll need to take a more modest offer from a stronger organization, or chase money and go home to Buffalo and serve as a mentor to all they're building up there.
Thought this was an interesting stat/reference point on Callahan that I picked up elsewhere. He ranks 95th in pts/game over last 3 years combined. In between Wayne Simmonds ($3.975M/yr) & Michael Ryder ($3.5M/yr)
I'd be really surprised if he sniffs anything near that on the open market from a contending team. I think that's why the price paid for MSL was so high, because Callahan had little value to the rest of the league once everyone knew what he was looking for in free agency. The only name ever connected in a deal, prior to this one, was Chris Stewart, which should tell you something. He'll need to take a more modest offer from a stronger organization, or chase money and go home to Buffalo and serve as a mentor to all they're building up there.
Thought this was an interesting stat/reference point on Callahan that I picked up elsewhere. He ranks 95th in pts/game over last 3 years combined. In between Wayne Simmonds ($3.975M/yr) & Michael Ryder ($3.5M/yr)
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AcerFC
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Do you think they could have gotten a younger player for two first round picks. The goal is to get to the Stanley Cup and the eastern conf finals is not a crazy thought if Henrik is on.
So why not just offer a 2014 and 2015 first rounder for a younger offensive talent (dont ask me for names)
Im OK with losing Cally since I agree with everything you said, BUT, two possible firsts for a 38 year old doesnt make sense to me. I know he is always in the top 5 in scoring, but at some point he wont be and age will catch up. Lets hope they win the cup (still think they need another scorer) and the picks are late picks
Billy Bats
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Mckenzie: Hearing EDM's Ales Hemsky is going to OTT for picks. No official confirmation or details just yet.
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RUSF18
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I just said to a buddy that I hated having the condition be the conference finals, and not the SCF, so I agree with you. Huge difference there. You can luck into a conf finals appearance.
I assume if they thought they could get a premium younger offensive talent for two 1sts, they would have done so
Time Kibitzer
Footballguy
@FriedgeHNIC: Think PIT is taking a look at Thomas Vanek
northern exposure
Footballguy
Hemsky to Ottawa for a 2014 5th rd pick and a 2015 3rd round pick. So, they replace the picks given up in the Fasth deal.
I'm surprised the return wasn't higher.
I'm surprised the return wasn't higher.
Sheriff66
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Bill Brasky
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Sheriff66
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Nick Kypreos @RealKyper 5s
Doesn't sound like Tim Thomas will be united with Lou.. #Panthers talking to a few teams including #Stars
Doesn't sound like Tim Thomas will be united with Lou.. #Panthers talking to a few teams including #Stars
Senators probably wish he wouldn't have scored 2 goals on them last night.
Also reported the Oilers are eating half his salary.
Bob McKenzie @TSNBobMcKenzie 3m
Hearing prospect Hudson Fasching (U of Minnesota) is likely on way to BUF as part of Brayden McNabb trade with BUF. Awaiting confirmation.
hope the return on McNabb is more than that.
Hearing prospect Hudson Fasching (U of Minnesota) is likely on way to BUF as part of Brayden McNabb trade with BUF. Awaiting confirmation.
hope the return on McNabb is more than that.
northern exposure
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Even worse deal then, in my opinion. Dreger said at least 6 teams had interest in Hemsky, so I'm surprised they couldn't get a prospect for him or maybe a 2nd round pick.
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Time Kibitzer
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Billy Bats
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From Stevie Y:
""We'd like to thank Marty for everything he has done on and off the ice during his outstanding 13-year career in Tampa Bay. He has been one of the greatest players in the organization's history but in the end we honored his request today. We wish him and his family the best of luck as he continues his career in New York."
Well he couldn't have made that any clearer.
http://lightning.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=707885
""We'd like to thank Marty for everything he has done on and off the ice during his outstanding 13-year career in Tampa Bay. He has been one of the greatest players in the organization's history but in the end we honored his request today. We wish him and his family the best of luck as he continues his career in New York."
Well he couldn't have made that any clearer.
http://lightning.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=707885
I don't know.
I really liked McNabb.
EDIT: I guess Deslauriers is the other prospect. This sounds no bueno to me but I guess they must really like these two guys.
McNabb and two 2nd round picks? This is not sounding great.
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Bill Brasky
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um, I'd be pretty happy with that deal. Fasching is as pro-ready as you'll see out of a college kid in his first year and he is going to be a player in the NHL.
I guess I'm underrating him. Saw him listed 4th on the Kings RW prospect chart at HF:
http://www.hockeysfuture.com/teams/los_angeles_kings/
I'm a big McNabb fan. Not sure why he hasn't played more with the big club.
I know Fasching is a good player with power forward potential, but haven't had a chance to watch any of him in Minnesota.
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Dubnyk traded to Montreal for future considerations.
Bill Brasky
Footballguy
well, I didn't know there were two 2nd rounders as well, but I still like it for Buffalo...Fasching will be the star out of this deal. he will be making an impact by the time he is 21. should be a really good power forward that can skate and has great hands. I think he stays one more year before leaving, but if not he may be up even sooner. he won't spend long in the AHL. great prospect.
some scouting reports on Fasching. too nice? not a great sign.
McKeen's:
Quote:
Pulled out of a steep nose-dive with a ‘dirty’ performance for Team
USA winning silver at the U18 Worlds (7-0-6-6) .. led the Americans
with six assists while distinguishing himself with a strong board
and crease-front presence .. the late reprieve helped salvage a
trying season in which he battled concussion problems to start the
year and laboured to find a groove .. SCOUTING REPORT .. strong,
big-bodied forward - difficult to knock off the puck - or clear from
the slot once he parks his wide, brawny frame .. best weapon is a
hard shot that features a quick, compact release .. displays vision
in the offensive zone - and an ability to make plays from the boards
- exploiting soft hands, excellent hand-eye co-ordination, and a
large lateral transition step .. clunky skater however, limited by
sloppy footwork and sluggish startup quickness .. will have to work
diligently to upgrade his co-ordination and footspeed .. not sure
whether ‘Jekyll’ or ‘Hyde’ side will show up either .. needs to find
better consistency - especially as a physical factor .. lacks urgency
at times and doesn’t play up to his size - too easy to play against ..
will attend the University of Minnesota .. intriguing potential given
his size and skill set, however his skating did not show the progress
needed to guarantee a top 60 spot. HockeyProspect:
Quote:
Fasching, Hudson – RW – US NTDP Under-18 Team – 6’2, 214
Hudson has seen his stock plummet since this time last year, and rightly so. He teases with great size and great flashes of offensive talent, but his hockey sense is questionable and infrequently gives his best effort. When he’s on his game he moves well for his size, controls the puck well, shows good hands along the boards, and plays an intelligent, physical defensive game. More often than not, he has a hard time handling the puck and tries to force plays, leading to frustration and the rest of his game falling apart. It’s easy to tell what kind of game Fasching will have based on his first shift. Part of his issues this year seemed to draw from puck luck as well, as he went stretches where he was ridiculously snake bitten with frequent goalposts and near misses. He also dealt with a concussion at the beginning of the season, and it’s possible that the lingering effects of that were also a factor. Such negatives do have a way of snowballing. Fasching will surely be drafted and will be looking at next year as a clean slate, which could be just the thing he needs to get his game back together.
Quotable: “Some games he seems to have it all together, other games he’s not a factor. Physically he has all the tools. I just don’t see him putting it all together.
I have coached some players in the past who were just too nice. It’s
difficult to make a nice kid be something he’s not comfortable being. I see some of that in Hudson.” – Mark Edwards
Quote:
Pulled out of a steep nose-dive with a ‘dirty’ performance for Team
USA winning silver at the U18 Worlds (7-0-6-6) .. led the Americans
with six assists while distinguishing himself with a strong board
and crease-front presence .. the late reprieve helped salvage a
trying season in which he battled concussion problems to start the
year and laboured to find a groove .. SCOUTING REPORT .. strong,
big-bodied forward - difficult to knock off the puck - or clear from
the slot once he parks his wide, brawny frame .. best weapon is a
hard shot that features a quick, compact release .. displays vision
in the offensive zone - and an ability to make plays from the boards
- exploiting soft hands, excellent hand-eye co-ordination, and a
large lateral transition step .. clunky skater however, limited by
sloppy footwork and sluggish startup quickness .. will have to work
diligently to upgrade his co-ordination and footspeed .. not sure
whether ‘Jekyll’ or ‘Hyde’ side will show up either .. needs to find
better consistency - especially as a physical factor .. lacks urgency
at times and doesn’t play up to his size - too easy to play against ..
will attend the University of Minnesota .. intriguing potential given
his size and skill set, however his skating did not show the progress
needed to guarantee a top 60 spot. HockeyProspect:
Quote:
Fasching, Hudson – RW – US NTDP Under-18 Team – 6’2, 214
Hudson has seen his stock plummet since this time last year, and rightly so. He teases with great size and great flashes of offensive talent, but his hockey sense is questionable and infrequently gives his best effort. When he’s on his game he moves well for his size, controls the puck well, shows good hands along the boards, and plays an intelligent, physical defensive game. More often than not, he has a hard time handling the puck and tries to force plays, leading to frustration and the rest of his game falling apart. It’s easy to tell what kind of game Fasching will have based on his first shift. Part of his issues this year seemed to draw from puck luck as well, as he went stretches where he was ridiculously snake bitten with frequent goalposts and near misses. He also dealt with a concussion at the beginning of the season, and it’s possible that the lingering effects of that were also a factor. Such negatives do have a way of snowballing. Fasching will surely be drafted and will be looking at next year as a clean slate, which could be just the thing he needs to get his game back together.
Quotable: “Some games he seems to have it all together, other games he’s not a factor. Physically he has all the tools. I just don’t see him putting it all together.
I have coached some players in the past who were just too nice. It’s
difficult to make a nice kid be something he’s not comfortable being. I see some of that in Hudson.” – Mark Edwards
Time Kibitzer
Footballguy
Other prospect going to Buffalo in that deal is Nicholas Deslaurier apparently..
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Bill Brasky
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meh, plus they look old. watch him in the NCAA tourney this year, he is a stud. really stands out on a good deep Gopher team at 18.
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reports earlier were that Canucks ownership wanted to keep him and hope to make a run for the playoffs to make some extra loot. then they would ship him out in the summer still.
I guess teams are still trying to pry him away though.
Bill Brasky
Footballguy
have to think they would need to send Koivu in that deal, no? otherwise I'm not sure how they get there because they aren't moving Granlund or Coyle and they'd have a glut of guys who can play center if they don't and I'm sure they'd want a center back.
Team America?
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northern exposure
Footballguy
meh, plus they look old. watch him in the NCAA tourney this year, he is a stud. really stands out on a good deep Gopher team at 18.Maybe you are looking at the kid through golden (gopher) colored glasses.
Bill Brasky
Footballguy
meh, plus they look old. watch him in the NCAA tourney this year, he is a stud. really stands out on a good deep Gopher team at 18.Maybe you are looking at the kid through golden (gopher) colored glasses.
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Kings closing on Gaborik.
WTF is up with Vanek and Moulson?
WTF is up with Vanek and Moulson?
Dickie Dunn
Footballguy
Bruins are expected to try to find a left-shot defenseman (or two), but not a big name ... other than the fact they supposedly are looking at perennial Norris favorite Andrej Meszaros.
There were some rumblings last night when Eriksson got scratched, but supposedly it was a maintenance thing and he's not going anywhere.
There were some rumblings last night when Eriksson got scratched, but supposedly it was a maintenance thing and he's not going anywhere.
Bill Brasky
Footballguy
I have to think that if Price were really hurt they would have went after Halak. must be just a safety depth move since it cost them almost nothing?
Dickie Dunn
Footballguy
yeah, I saw some Habs reporters say it's not a sign that anything is seriously wrong with Price.
Bill Brasky
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Pierre LeBrun @Real_ESPNLeBrun 49s
Callahan and Rangers were really close at the end, just $200,000 apart a year or so... lack of NTC in deal apparently big issue though...
Callahan and Rangers were really close at the end, just $200,000 apart a year or so... lack of NTC in deal apparently big issue though...
Time Kibitzer
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Renaud Lavoie @LavoieRenaud 1m
My friend just told me I made a mistake on Kesler. Its not the Wild but the Ducks who are in Kesler's derby.
My friend just told me I made a mistake on Kesler. Its not the Wild but the Ducks who are in Kesler's derby.
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