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***Official 2013/2014 NHL Regular Season Thread*** (1 Viewer)

Hawks64 said:
ItsOnlytheRiver said:
The Blues may never score an even strength goal again.
Breaks my heart ;)
Pretty sure they will run the other teams' top players to make up for it. :pokey:
Oooook...

Anyway my reverse jinx worked even though what they scored on was basically a PP.

My next fearless prediction: Chicago will dominate the Preds tonight.
They are. Everywhere but the scoreboard.
Except the scoreboard is what counts. Rinne will stop everything from the outside, no one in front of the net = no goals. Pretty simple.
I agree in that they need more net presence. And less Handzus.

 
Hawks64 said:
ItsOnlytheRiver said:
The Blues may never score an even strength goal again.
Breaks my heart ;)
Pretty sure they will run the other teams' top players to make up for it. :pokey:
Oooook...

Anyway my reverse jinx worked even though what they scored on was basically a PP.

My next fearless prediction: Chicago will dominate the Preds tonight.
They are. Everywhere but the scoreboard.
Except the scoreboard is what counts. Rinne will stop everything from the outside, no one in front of the net = no goals. Pretty simple.
I agree in that they need more net presence. And less Handzus.
Shaw had been doing that really well the last handful of games.

 
ffldrew said:
Bill Brasky said:
looks like Michigan missed by a sliver. lol, I'm sure Penn State is laughing after beating them 3 times this year and ending their season.

here is where I would rip the pairwise for 3 ECAC teams getting in, but then of course last year happened so I'll shut up now. I do think Union looks legit this year. solid team.

Northeast looks really tough. BC going to have a tough time getting out of there alive.

Hockey East getting 5 teams in seems a tad ridiculous considering everyone was middling all year outside of BC.

would have liked to see Ohio St get in who is a solid team once they figured out their net. Miami too since they can be dangerous now that they were playing much better, they didn't deserve it though after being brutal most of the year.
First off Miami was missing Blake Coleman most all of the season - once he gets back they become the team everyone thought they would be. Guy is a great player.

This year was wild with the changes in conferences and scheduling out of conference games to help pairwise was tough for some teams. The pairwise is too much of a circle jerk - and that is what gets the ECAC/Hockey East teams higher rankings - because once one or two teams get strong the rest become strong with just one upset of the strong team - and then you pad your record against the patsies - meanwhile in the NCHC everyone beat everyone week in and out and there was no breakout team. Also scheduling is easier across ECAC and Hockey East with the easier travel schedule. No way North Dakota should have got in by a sliver - they are a good team playing in a really balanced conference. And that becomes a big issue around 10-20 in pairwise - there is a small difference in there. Back in the early days of pairwise the quality difference between 10 and 20 was huge. Today it's nothing and that is where eyeballs need to come into play. Also NCHC needs to invite a few patsies back in the league - like Mankato.

Union has a pretty good path to the final 4 - and we will see if St. Cloud has enough for the Gophers. Would like to see a RMU pull off a Holy Cross in St. Paul.

Union, Mass Lowell, Gophers and North Dakota would be my guess at the final 4.

I think Mass Lowell may get it - their goalie Conner Hellebuyck is nearly NHL ready. Last years experience will help also.
Miami struggled with Colman in the lineup too. He only missed 11 games and he's one guy. They were a big disapointment this year but were playing solid down the stretch. I think they could have made noise if they got the auto bid. Your DU team almost blew it to them late too. That was a frantic last 2 min.Gophers losing to Robert Morris would be even worse of an upset than Holy Cross. Won't happen, no matter how hard Lucia tries.

Lowell doesn't impress me much outside of Hellebuyck. Of course that's all they might need because he's unconscious right now.
PairWise is such a wacky system. I read somewhere, when it looked like NoDak would miss out because of an Ohio State victory (which didn't happen), that the difference between them getting in or not would have been Bentley upsetting Nebraska-Omaha back in October.

One thing that is good is that the system is transparent. Other than the seeding and placement of teams, you know who is getting in once all the games are played. But much like the RPI formula, you can "game" it a bit with your schedule. As mentioned above, HE and ECAC had the advantage of stability in scheduling this season, and HE was able to get better matchups with the smaller (20 games) league schedule thanks to Notre Dame's arrival (they probably go back to 27 next season once UConn joins).

I wouldn't bet against the hot goalie (Hellebuyck) either.

 
PairWise is such a wacky system. I read somewhere, when it looked like NoDak would miss out because of an Ohio State victory (which didn't happen), that the difference between them getting in or not would have been Bentley upsetting Nebraska-Omaha back in October.
lol
Yea - another shortcoming of pairwise is that the window to schedule an out of conference game is in October or December when a key player or two could be at World Juniors - and some teams aren't the same team come March that they were in October - freshmen, new coaching, no scouting/film etc. In March they are in conference and depending on how many times you have played an in conference opponent a win could count as a zero - or you lose points in the pairwise because that team will fall out of TUC. Yet the early season victory/loss out of conference means more than a tough in conference victory in a rivalry battle.

 
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PairWise is such a wacky system. I read somewhere, when it looked like NoDak would miss out because of an Ohio State victory (which didn't happen), that the difference between them getting in or not would have been Bentley upsetting Nebraska-Omaha back in October.
lol
Yea - another shortcoming of pairwise is that the window to schedule an out of conference game is in October or December when a key player or two could be at World Juniors - and some teams aren't the same team come March that they were in October - freshmen, new coaching, no scouting/film etc. In March they are in conference and depending on how many times you have played an in conference opponent a win could count as a zero - or you lose points in the pairwise because that team will fall out of TUC. Yet the early season victory/loss out of conference means more than a tough in conference victory in a rivalry battle.
:goodposting:

 
Oilers are still terrible, btw
VIDEO: Oilers fan throws jersey on ice, Ben Scrivens throws it back
Scrivens picked up the sweater with his goalie stick and flung it back into the crowd as quickly as it came on. The Professor was not happy at all and he ripped into the fan who would do such a thing (and really it was directed toward all fans).

"Pay your money, you get to do whatever you want. You want to boo me? Go for it. You want to jeer me, call me every name; you're entitled to that. You can spit on me for all I care if I deserve it.
"But when I see a jersey thrown out on the ice ... I'm from here. You're not just disrespecting guys in the room, you're disrespecting guys who wore this jersey before us. All the great guys who played for this organization and pulled that sweater over their heads. The Messiers, the Gretzkys, they take pride in wearing that jersey. Joey Moss, every day. The unsung heroes around the rink who pride themselves on that logo.
Like I said, you're a fan, you get to say and do whatever you want. Call me whatever name you want. But when it comes to that logo, that's a sacred thing for us. It's disheartening for me to see our fans treat it that way."
 
Speaking of the Oilers, one of the Hockey News writers recently speculated that one part of the problem is the players they selected 1st overall. He suggested if they had instead taken Tyler Seguin, Gabriel Landeskog, and Ryan Murray with those three #1 picks, they'd be in a lot better shape now.

Hall is obviously headed towards being an elite scorer if he's not one already, but Seguin is similarly talented and plays a more important position (Center). The thinking goes that if they had Seguin, they wouldn't have felt obligated to take a center in RNH the following year and could have instead taken a better all-around player with strong leadership attributes in Landeskog. Then, instead of taking the best offensive player once again in Yakupov, they should have taken Murray to log huge minutes on the blue line.

Basically, they took the best offensive player in those 3 classes, but they don't mesh well together and leave too many weak spots elsewhere. That's aggravated by the fact they had no real bridge players to help out...guys in their mid 20s who were solid vets that could take some pressure/attention off all the young guys. They also had to rush all these young players up since they had nobody else due to not drafting/developing players well and not being a popular choice for free agents to sign (apart from Schultz, who ).

I think the problem is more the fact they have no depth due to what appears to be a horrible draft record outside the first round, but I could see a case being made that maybe the Nuge is too soft/small for the #1 C role they are trying to force him into. Yakupov obviously seems like it might be a bust, but most people thought he was the best player in that class so tough to fault them too much there. Obviously they really need Nurse to come through for them, but I think he will if he gets enough time to develop.

 
Speaking of the Oilers, one of the Hockey News writers recently speculated that one part of the problem is the players they selected 1st overall. He suggested if they had instead taken Tyler Seguin, Gabriel Landeskog, and Ryan Murray with those three #1 picks, they'd be in a lot better shape now.

Hall is obviously headed towards being an elite scorer if he's not one already, but Seguin is similarly talented and plays a more important position (Center). The thinking goes that if they had Seguin, they wouldn't have felt obligated to take a center in RNH the following year and could have instead taken a better all-around player with strong leadership attributes in Landeskog. Then, instead of taking the best offensive player once again in Yakupov, they should have taken Murray to log huge minutes on the blue line.

Basically, they took the best offensive player in those 3 classes, but they don't mesh well together and leave too many weak spots elsewhere. That's aggravated by the fact they had no real bridge players to help out...guys in their mid 20s who were solid vets that could take some pressure/attention off all the young guys. They also had to rush all these young players up since they had nobody else due to not drafting/developing players well and not being a popular choice for free agents to sign (apart from Schultz, who ).

I think the problem is more the fact they have no depth due to what appears to be a horrible draft record outside the first round, but I could see a case being made that maybe the Nuge is too soft/small for the #1 C role they are trying to force him into. Yakupov obviously seems like it might be a bust, but most people thought he was the best player in that class so tough to fault them too much there. Obviously they really need Nurse to come through for them, but I think he will if he gets enough time to develop.
:goodposting: Definitely agree they may have taken the 3 BPAs in the drafts, but didn't consider how they would mesh together or with the current roster. Yakupov and Hall also lack character imo and RNH is a character guy, but it looks like a gust of wind could knock him over. He is miscast as a #1 Center imo. He might get there some day, but he's too slender to be there now.The young guys (Hall, RNH, Yakupov, Gagner, Eberle) all played in the NHL sooner than they should have and that was mainly because the team couldn't attract FAs to play instead of them. The cupboard was bare and the team badly needed an influx of talent. The vets the team did have weren't exactly good role models for the kids either. Hemsky was the last on the ice and first one off it at practice. When the Oilers lost, the young guys were outside the dressing room facing the media. No vets were to be seen.

They have added some character guys now like Scrivens, Hendricks and Ference, but no offensively skilled forwards to be a role model for the kids.

Fans have been incredibly impatient with the rebuild too. I hear fans at the games, on sportstalk radio,etc. complaining about the Blackhawks and Penguins rebuilds happening much quicker than the Oilers. You simply can't compare Crosby/Malkin/MAF/ Staal or Toews/Kane/Seabrook to Hall/RNH/Yakupov.

You could also argue the Oilers picked a horrible time to hit rock bottom because their 3 consecutive #1 picks were bookended by Tavares and MacKinnon as the #1 picks. Timing is everything.

 
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Bruins dominated last two periods. Just seemed the puck never bounced their way. Now, shootout for the points.

Loving the Julien three forward four-on-four strategy. Seemed like the Bruins pressed all night and had the better chances.

 
Bruins dominated last two periods. Just seemed the puck never bounced their way. Now, shootout for the points.

Loving the Julien three forward four-on-four strategy. Seemed like the Bruins pressed all night and had the better chances.
That is the problem with national broadcasts. The Bruins always play 3 forwards in OT.

 
Bruins dominated last two periods. Just seemed the puck never bounced their way. Now, shootout for the points.

Loving the Julien three forward four-on-four strategy. Seemed like the Bruins pressed all night and had the better chances.
That is the problem with national broadcasts. The Bruins always play 3 forwards in OT.
Or, that's the good thing. I'd noticed, but didn't know that was their strategy always.

 
Bruins dominated last two periods. Just seemed the puck never bounced their way. Now, shootout for the points.

Loving the Julien three forward four-on-four strategy. Seemed like the Bruins pressed all night and had the better chances.
That is the problem with national broadcasts. The Bruins always play 3 forwards in OT.
So they only play 3 forwards in OT when it's a national broadcast? Am I following this right?

 
Bruins dominated last two periods. Just seemed the puck never bounced their way. Now, shootout for the points.

Loving the Julien three forward four-on-four strategy. Seemed like the Bruins pressed all night and had the better chances.
That is the problem with national broadcasts. The Bruins always play 3 forwards in OT.
So they only play 3 forwards in OT when it's a national broadcast? Am I following this right?
Think he's saying that they're making a big deal of it and that it always is that way instead of an exceptional strategy.

Have to admit I'd never really noticed that it was that consistent before.

 
Bruins dominated last two periods. Just seemed the puck never bounced their way. Now, shootout for the points.

Loving the Julien three forward four-on-four strategy. Seemed like the Bruins pressed all night and had the better chances.
That is the problem with national broadcasts. The Bruins always play 3 forwards in OT.
So they only play 3 forwards in OT when it's a national broadcast? Am I following this right?
No, they play 3 forwards almost all the time in OT. The national guys make it sound like Julien is "going all out to win this game" when he does it all the time.

 
My favorites:

Alexa Bellenzeni ‏@lexaaabelle 59s

what's it like to be the child of satan? #AskNeal

Danny Riordan ‏@Danny_Riordan 3m

Which is your favorite? Kneeing Marchand in the head or cross checking coots in the throat? #askNeal

Kevin ‏@Bruinguy905 50s

The #AskNeal campaign is almost as disastrous as the Pens 2013 playoff round vs the #Bruins #epicfail

rob berenato ‏@doodle_rob 2m

You're a turd. Wait, that's not a question.. How does it feel to be a turd? #AskNeal
 
Hope Mike Smith is okay. Looked bad.

Ryan McDonagh was a monster last night. Sometimes before bed, I forget to say a quiet thanks to Bob Gainey, but not last night. Richards was on another level picking up for Stepan and MSL who had the flu, and the 4th line was amazing.

 
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Hope Mike Smith is okay. Looked bad.

Ryan McDonagh was a monster last night. Sometimes before bed, I forget to say a quiet thanks to Bob Gainey, but not last night. Richards was on another level picking up for Stepan and MSL who had the flu, and the 4th line was amazing.
that 4th line had been perfect the last few games.
 
Teravainen is 19 and has never played North American hockey. Granlund took about a half a season and offseason to figure it out and he was two years older and had dominated SM-liiga since he was 17. Teravainen is small and has a similar game. might want to temper the expectations.

 
Bill Brasky said:
Teravainen is 19 and has never played North American hockey. Granlund took about a half a season and offseason to figure it out and he was two years older and had dominated SM-liiga since he was 17. Teravainen is small and has a similar game. might want to temper the expectations.
It's so freaking ridiculous. The way the media is talking the Hawks have brought Wayne Gretzky over from Finland.

 
Bill Brasky said:
Teravainen is 19 and has never played North American hockey. Granlund took about a half a season and offseason to figure it out and he was two years older and had dominated SM-liiga since he was 17. Teravainen is small and has a similar game. might want to temper the expectations.
It's so freaking ridiculous. The way the media is talking the Hawks have brought Wayne Gretzky over from Finland.
While it has been overkill in the media, the kid has some serious skills. Try and be positive here. Wayne Gretzkinen.

 
Bill Brasky said:
Teravainen is 19 and has never played North American hockey. Granlund took about a half a season and offseason to figure it out and he was two years older and had dominated SM-liiga since he was 17. Teravainen is small and has a similar game. might want to temper the expectations.
It's so freaking ridiculous. The way the media is talking the Hawks have brought Wayne Gretzky over from Finland.
While it has been overkill in the media, the kid has some serious skills. Try and be positive here. Wayne Gretzkinen.
Sure he has skills, no doubt but the way he's being hyped is so over the top ridiculous. This will be a great measuring stick for him and the Hawks but no way is he cracking the Top 6 in the next year.

 
Bill Brasky said:
Teravainen is 19 and has never played North American hockey. Granlund took about a half a season and offseason to figure it out and he was two years older and had dominated SM-liiga since he was 17. Teravainen is small and has a similar game. might want to temper the expectations.
Looking good so far.

 
The difference between Columbus' main logo and their alternate third is staggering. Never seen a team have such a horrid, ridiculous main logo and such a clean sharp third jersey.

 
Speaking of Hawks prospects, Kevin Hayes was named a Hobey Baker Top 10 Finalist.

http://www.ncaa.com/news/icehockey-men/article/2014-03-20/hobey-baker-award-announces-top-10-candidates-list

Kevin Hayes – Boston College, Senior, Forward, Dorchester, Massachusetts
A linemate of Gaudreau, Hayes is third in the nation in points and has tripled his goal output from the previous season. His plus-minus of +26 is tied for third in the nation as he continues to average one and a half points per game. Hayes collected points in 12 straight outings mid-season, and was named the MVP of the historic Beanpot Tournament.
· Has 24 goals, 32 assists for 56 points in 37 games – has 6 game-winning goals
· Chicago draft pick (1st round) – Communications major
· Recorded points in 29 of 37 games and Eagles went 24-2-3
 
ffldrew> honest thoughts on DU vs BC?
Hey BB. Well this is going to be difficult. This has been a really rough year at Denver - to get the first 4 game win streak during the last 2 weeks is pretty difficult to believe given the history of our program. We are pretty weak on discipline - assignment discipline is really lacking - I think it is an extension of the coaching as Coach Montgomery seems to be loose - you just hear it in his voice and demeanor. Under Gwoz they played a pretty strict assignment hockey style - this has been hard to get used to. Passes are loose and turnovers easy this year- sloppy stick work- it has been ugly to watch at times. Real ugly. That said they can play good in stretches - sometimes an entire game. North Dakota, Miami 3 weeks ago and on Saturday- what has been difficult to believe is that we seem to run out of gas late in periods and in the 3rd. Playing without any extra gear. They do have some talent - Brittain has been really good - he's faced more shots than any keeper in the regional and has stats that are close in comparison either in SAV% or GAA.

We will have our hands full against BC - in Worcester it will be all BC. We didn't fare very well against UNH in Manchester last year. BC should be tan rested and ready - and I would think ole Jerry will have them ready to go - Johnny Hockey is probably itching to get back on the ice as well. But you never know - Sam could have a huge game. DU has shown some signs of life lately on offense - but it can disappear just as easily. Quentin Shore should be getting closer to 100% - and we have some really good offensive defensmen - Joey LaLeggia is back to 100%.

In the end it's going to be a major uphill climb in my book - maybe this is the year without expectations that we finally put some stuff together. But a 5-3 BC win looks to be in the more likely outcomes then some 2-1 DU victory. I want to be very very wrong

You pulling for the Purple Cows?

 
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Caps with another collapse, preventing them from getting 2 points. Nice to see Kuzy get his first goal in a big spot, but overall a very disappointing point.

 
Caps with another collapse, preventing them from getting 2 points. Nice to see Kuzy get his first goal in a big spot, but overall a very disappointing point.
They have blown 15 2 goals leads this season.Going into the 3rd leading 3-1 you have to be able to finish a team off but they rarely seem able to do so in this situations.The Kings were the better team 5 on 5(as are most teams in the NHL against the Caps)and they were able to cash it in with hard work and costly turnovers from the Caps to get a 4-3 lead into the last minute.

Even bigger loss,besides the point,is Backstrom who didn't return and the report early on was upper body.If he is lost for any amount of time they can go ahead and get the clubs warmed up now.

Ovie with 2 more PP goals but hasn't scored an even strength goal in almost a month.Unless they improve 5 on 5(stop me if I've said this before)they have very little chance to do any damage if they somehow manage to get in.Clearly +/- is a flawed stat but Ovie is now a -31 for the season and a -14 for the month,thankfully the ST's have bailed them out but you can't expect that if you get in the playoffs.

 
You pulling for the Purple Cows?
no, not really pulling for anyone. would be nice to see Mankato do well though, sucks for them that they build that program up and finally get in the WCHA and then everyone leaves.

tough to say how they do, they haven't beaten a quality ranked team all season other than Ferris who hasn't beaten anyone themselves. I think they have a decent shot against Lowell simply because their special teams aren't bad and they do have some decent scoring up front. like I said, Lowell doesn't impress me with a lot of skill, they just come at you hard and have great goaltending.

lot of good matchups round one. outside of Minnesota and Union they all look like they should be tight to me.

 
Hope Mike Smith is okay. Looked bad.

Ryan McDonagh was a monster last night. Sometimes before bed, I forget to say a quiet thanks to Bob Gainey, but not last night. Richards was on another level picking up for Stepan and MSL who had the flu, and the 4th line was amazing.
McDonagh is playing huge minutes every game. I just hope he doesn't get warn out come playoff time.

Big potential loss with Kreider. It looks like he's out for ca. a month with a hand injury. He's been great for the Rangers. A strong grinder with skill.

Big game tonight against the Flyers. Go Rangers....

 
Speaking of Hawks prospects, Kevin Hayes was named a Hobey Baker Top 10 Finalist.

http://www.ncaa.com/news/icehockey-men/article/2014-03-20/hobey-baker-award-announces-top-10-candidates-list

Kevin Hayes – Boston College, Senior, Forward, Dorchester, MassachusettsA linemate of Gaudreau, Hayes is third in the nation in points and has tripled his goal output from the previous season. His plus-minus of +26 is tied for third in the nation as he continues to average one and a half points per game. Hayes collected points in 12 straight outings mid-season, and was named the MVP of the historic Beanpot Tournament.

· Has 24 goals, 32 assists for 56 points in 37 games – has 6 game-winning goals

· Chicago draft pick (1st round) – Communications major

· Recorded points in 29 of 37 games and Eagles went 24-2-3
Was reading (can't find the link right now) that Hawks and his agent aren't exactly close on a new contract.

 

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