Official 2013 Jets Season Thread (1 Viewer)

[mphtrilogy]

For real Jets news and analysis, dumping can stay in the "Disaster" news thread.

 

[mphtrilogy]

good piece on the newly signed backup qb:

http://thejetsblog.com/bga/bga-scouting-graham-harrell/#more-76007

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Simms looked good last night - he might be the Jets' best QB as of this moment.

And Spadola has just looked good all preseason, he might be their most effective WR (well Kerley is, after that...).

 

[mphtrilogy]

He looked good but it was all against 2nd teamers, smith has looked ok this camp, would like to see geno start and Simms make the team, I'd cut Sanchez and keep McElroy as the 3

 

[msommer]

So this is the thread where only positive things can be said about the Jets?

Hope for you it is a long thread then.

 

[Sabertooth]

I think Geno is going to be the best QB in this class. That said, I don't think Ryan survives Christmas and there is a new staff next year.

 

[TLEF316]

They couldn't cut Sanchez even if they wanted to. It would trigger a bunch of extra dead money that would probably put them over the cap.

Geno looked awful the other night, but he'll get his shot

 

[Sabertooth]

Yeah they really #### the bed on Sanchez but I put a lot of that on Ryan. He just doesn't give a #### about offense. He just doesn't have what it takes to be a head coach.

 

[SameSongNDance]

I think Geno is going to be the best QB in this class. That said, I don't think Ryan survives Christmas and there is a new staff next year.

Vegas thinks he'll keep his job.

 

[TLEF316]

Yeah they really #### the bed on Sanchez but I put a lot of that on Ryan. He just doesn't give a #### about offense. He just doesn't have what it takes to be a head coach.

Tannenbaum giving sanchez the "I'm sorry we went after Peyton Manning" extension was one of the dumbest moves in sports history. Absolutely crippled the franchise.

I don't know how much input Ryan has in drafting offensive players. I do know that he stuck with Schottenheimer for too long and that Sparano was an awful hire from day 1. As far as I'm concerned, that's on him.

The level of talent on offense fell off a cliff in a hurry (Thomas Jones, Braylon, Faneca, Damien Woody all left) and the cap situation made it impossible to add experienced play makers or linemen to fill the gaps. That's partially on Rex, but I really think Tanny is the biggest villain here. Dude botched a LOT of draft picks.

The good news is we're a year away from a clean slate, a lot of cap room and plenty of draft picks. (I believe they own all their picks next year and should get 3 or 4 compensatory picks for next season, including a likely 3rd for Landry)

edIt: They also get Tampa's 3rd rounder next year if Revis is doesn't get ball cancer before the 3rd day of the 2014 league year.

 

[mphtrilogy]

Watching the offense this Preseason with Marty m running the show has been very promising, actually resembles a real offense at times despite the turnovers , last years o was really rough...

 

[TLEF316]

Watching the offense this Preseason with Marty m running the show has been very promising, actually resembles a real offense at times despite the turnovers , last years o was really rough...

This. It obviously isn't the greatest show on turf, but the different between he and Sparano is night and day. Sparano had no idea how to design a passing attack and get guys open. No imagination.

 

[mphtrilogy]

Ryan Spadola ‏@DolaOcho 19m

Officially a NYJ. Words can't describe how grateful I am for the great friends, family, and friends who have supported me throughout this.

 

[SameSongNDance]

The New York Daily News reports GM John Idzik and coach Rex Ryan are now in agreement that it's time to turn the page on Mark Sanchez as the Jets' starting quarterback.
They're moving forward with Geno Smith. Although it's long been rumored Idzik has pushed Smith on Ryan, beat writer Manish Mehta reports Rex now sees Smith as "the better option if healthy." Per Mehta, Ryan strongly considered naming Smith the starter after just two weeks oftraining
camp. The Jets' brain trust "simply doesn't fully trust" Sanchez, and has "grown tired of his repeated red-zone mistakes." Smith also gives Rex the best chance to keep his job. If the Jets emerge from the 2013 season with a young franchise quarterback, Ryan's hot seat could cool off considerably.

 

[glock]

I still have Murawinski's Daily News gameday centerfold vs the Pats: "ON YOUR MARK, GET SET, GO JETS" on a wall in my office at work. The Jets thoroughly humbled the Pats in the playoffs...

The Jets since let Sanchez and the offense down and Sanchez returned the favor. Seems like a hundred years ago, not just three.

Un####ing believable, really...

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Ryan Spadola ‏@DolaOcho 19m

Officially a NYJ. Words can't describe how grateful I am for the great friends, family, and friends who have supported me throughout this.

They should give Spadola some chances to play, he obviously does not have the attitude problem that has been creeping out of the Jets locker room for a while now, especially from the WRs.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

The New York Daily News reports GM John Idzik and coach Rex Ryan are now in agreement that it's time to turn the page on Mark Sanchez as the Jets' starting quarterback.
They're moving forward with Geno Smith. Although it's long been rumored Idzik has pushed Smith on Ryan, beat writer Manish Mehta reports Rex now sees Smith as "the better option if healthy." Per Mehta, Ryan strongly considered naming Smith the starter after just two weeks oftraining
camp. The Jets' brain trust "simply doesn't fully trust" Sanchez, and has "grown tired of his repeated red-zone mistakes." Smith also gives Rex the best chance to keep his job. If the Jets emerge from the 2013 season with a young franchise quarterback, Ryan's hot seat could cool off considerably.

And they sign Brady, who Tebow beat out in Denver.

 

[mphtrilogy]

This Brady signing could be a few things.

A Solid locker room guy, class act from what i hear, who can help mentor Geno. Sanchez is hurt, this could allow Idzik to explore putting him on IR, or hopefully trading him, so it gives Geno a vet to lean on for some basic Pro Football off the field stuff that can only help the Rookie

Simms is still the long range project, who should stay on the roster, this is about Sanchez and his health and possible "trade" status (hoping).

 

[Righetti]

I think Geno is going to be the best QB in this class. That said, I don't think Ryan survives Christmas and there is a new staff next year.

Vegas thinks he'll keep his job.

I've always thought that starting Geno in week 1 was the best way for Rex to keep his job. For pure selfish reasons for Rex, I always thought it would have been in his interest to start Geno knowing that this is what the organization wanted. If he goes 6-10 with Sanchez or 4-12 with Geno, there really is no difference and he could always come back and say "we had a starting QB on the 4th youngest team in the NFL and we made all these strides blah blah blah."

it will also help shape his story for future employers... "they wanted to start the kid to see what he had, we knew we wouldn't be any good but needed to see if he developed etc"

going in with Sanchez is a total death-wish

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Some factoids:

Bucs are 1-9 all time vs the Jets; all-time score is 145-273.

The Bucs' last win vs the NYJ was 1984.

The Bucs have never won in NY/NJ, all-time 0-6, since 1976, though I'm sure it helps that it's a bit warmer right now.

I would think that the Bucs would be a very nice defensive matchup, but then you see buzzsaw results like this and makes one wonder.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/game_query.cgi?tm1=tam&tm2=nyj&yr=all

 

[Tool]

Giving Sanchez that contract was one of the dumbest decisions i can remember. And it's not like that's even hindsight. At the time, i was like what the hell are they doing.

 

[mphtrilogy]

mistakes happen, the gm paid the price, moving on with the fallout.. not out of the question to see sanchez cut soon

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

mistakes happen, the gm paid the price, moving on with the fallout.. not out of the question to see sanchez cut soon

How about a trade?

Any rumors or talk on that?

 

[mphtrilogy]

no rumors just speculation, idzik gets exec of the year if he can pull that off...

Cimini also stated the following in this article:



Sanchez is due to make a guaranteed $8.25 million this season from the Jets, whether he’s on the team or not. It would be unusual for a team to eat that much salary, but general manager John Idzik hasn’t ruled out the possibility of cutting Sanchez at some point, according to a source.

 

[Righetti]

mistakes happen, the gm paid the price, moving on with the fallout.. not out of the question to see sanchez cut soon

How about a trade?

Any rumors or talk on that?

not trying to be a jerk but... who the heck would trade for him?

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

mistakes happen, the gm paid the price, moving on with the fallout.. not out of the question to see sanchez cut soon

How about a trade?

Any rumors or talk on that?

not trying to be a jerk but... who the heck would trade for him?

Ha, ok, right, good point.

Still, Heath Shuler was traded once, anything is possible.

 

[msommer]

mistakes happen, the gm paid the price, moving on with the fallout.. not out of the question to see sanchez cut soon

How about a trade?

Any rumors or talk on that?

not trying to be a jerk but... who the heck would trade for him?

Both Oakland and Jacksonville have crap at QB. They probably have too much sense to go after Sanchez though,

 

[Righetti]

mistakes happen, the gm paid the price, moving on with the fallout.. not out of the question to see sanchez cut soon

How about a trade?

Any rumors or talk on that?

not trying to be a jerk but... who the heck would trade for him?

Both Oakland and Jacksonville have crap at QB. They probably have too much sense to go after Sanchez though,

they'd be on the hook for that contract (at least for salary cap reasons).. not sure why you'd give up anything for him knowing that you can get him for "free" next year.

 

[msommer]

mistakes happen, the gm paid the price, moving on with the fallout.. not out of the question to see sanchez cut soon

How about a trade?

Any rumors or talk on that?

not trying to be a jerk but... who the heck would trade for him?

Both Oakland and Jacksonville have crap at QB. They probably have too much sense to go after Sanchez though,

they'd be on the hook for that contract (at least for salary cap reasons).. not sure why you'd give up anything for him knowing that you can get him for "free" next year.

I just listed the two teams with arguably worse QB stables than Sanchez. But as part of any trade is the possibility of renegotiating the contract. Seen before.

The carrot for Sanchez (to agree a renegotiation) would be a reboot, signing bonus and a chance to start.

 

[mphtrilogy]

i dont know the cap implications, but I doubt a team who needs a starting quality qb would trade for him, probably a solid org whos looking for a backup, thats really all the guy is, hes david carr....

sanchez is not a starter in this league, he has a future as a backup only and a long term rehab project possibly...

 

[QuizGuy66]

I'll save my negative Jets comments for the other thread

Serious question - if the Jets puts Sanchez on IR is it possible they recoup some of those dollars via insurance? Hurt or no I think that contract is just too much of a bear for any other team to want to pick up.

-QG

 

[mphtrilogy]

Bulletin board material

"I don’t think the Jets team or the receivers are even worthy of him coming out for this game … He coulda had the bad knee and covered these guys … He should sit out this game and wait to make a real splash … He is absolutely the best and wants to play the best and I think you’re gonna get the best out of him if he respects the other guy. I don’t think he respect anybody on the Jets and then you never know, what are they even playing for? I mean, they’re the type of team that might wanna get [him] hurt or try to take him out or something like that. So, I wouldn’t even play him because they’re not worthy."

Former Jets and Patriots CB Ty Law on Darrelle Revis (Source: SI Now)

Gonna be interesting, say what u want about Rex, but I do believe he is a great motivator....

 

[Mystery Achiever]

I just went to Yahoo to put in my pick for tonight and the final line went from 12 to zero since yesterday. Is that real? I thought 12 points was high, but have a hard time putting the Jets chances at 50:50

 

[mphtrilogy]

I don't

All the NE injuires have made the game interesting..

Geno needs to stay calm and minimize the turnovers.. a decent if, but we shall see

Jets Front line is pretty darn good...

 

[KellysHeroes]

#1 Team in New York

 

[Hedgehog]

Nice to see the O air it out a bit...haven't seen any vertical game in a while.....impressed with Geno so far

 

[TLEF316]

Super bowl baby!!!

Actually, we'll probably go like 6-10

 

[mphtrilogy]

looks like some jets are not worthy of a pickup..

whodathunkit?

powell

shill

sholmes

geno

folk

all worthy of a bench spot...

looks like marty m is gonna let geno air it out a couple of times a game and he throws a pretty nice deep ball. he also recognizes he has to have a balanced attack and b powell, who earned the starting job in camp, is now running hard to offer a solid compliment to the air game. sholmes looks like he is getting healthy and should be worth holding a roster spot for, geno likes to look at Shill a lot.. here are some targets, SHill leads the team.

http://www.ganggreennation.com/2013/9/24/4765940/new-york-jets-who-are-geno-smiths-favorite-targets

Below is a chart of stats from Pro Football Focus and ESPN along with some numbers I crunched to offer an idea about Geno's favorite and most effective targets at this early date.

Player Number of pass routes (PFF) Targets (ESPN) Receptions (ESPN) Yards (ESPN) % of routes targeted Completion percentage throwing to him Yards per target Yards per route run Player Stephen Hill 122 23 13 233 18.8 56.5 10.13 1.90 Stephen Hill Santonio Holmes 104 19 9 218 18.2 47.3 11.47 2.09 Santonio Holmes Kellen Winslow II 77 14 10 95 18.1 71.4 6.78 1.23 Kellen Winslow II Jeremy Kerley 50 9 5 70 18.0 55.5 7.77 1.40 Jeremy Kerley Bilal Powell 69 13 8 66 18.8 61.5 5.07 0.95 Bilal Powell Clyde Gates 50 13 3 59 26.0 23.0 4.53 1.18 Clyde Gates Tommy Bohanon 33 4 3 27 12.1 75.0 6.75 0.81

Tommy Bohanon Jeff Cumberland 34 3 3 26 8.8 100.0 8.66 0.76 Jeff Cumberland Konrad Reuland 4 1 1 7 25.0 100.0 7.00 1.75 Konrad Reuland

 

[mphtrilogy]

Great win!

4-3 whodathunkit?

 

[Tool]

Rex must be bribing the refs with foot rubs after the games. They've won 2 games on personal foul calls

 

[Mystery Achiever]

In honor of the upcoming game

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/terrific-college-graduation-photo-jets-coach-rex-ryan-182652809--nfl.html?soc_src=mediacontentstory

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

When do the Jets finally go get a real live franchise QB.

40+ years since Namath's best years now. Not one real successful franchise starting star QB in all the years since - O'Brien and a couple good years there aside.

Someone made a point that with that line they have a real chance to be good, and that is one good reason to keep Ryan, because the DL seems like the heart of that team.

And there is Morninwheg, who can build offenses, but Smith is not the answer.

I'm not sure if this is on par with the 1983 and 2004 drafts in terms of QBs available, but if it is the Jets should stick their nose in there and take a shot while they can.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

In honor of the upcoming game

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/terrific-college-graduation-photo-jets-coach-rex-ryan-182652809--nfl.html?soc_src=mediacontentstory

Wow, I ran into Rob Ryan at a Saints charity event last night, would have been cool to show him this.

 

[Fariq]

The guy who said Spadola would be the Jets best WR has already concluded Smith will never be a good QB.

 

[Tool]

When do the Jets finally go get a real live franchise QB.

40+ years since Namath's best years now. Not one real successful franchise starting star QB in all the years since - O'Brien and a couple good years there aside.

Someone made a point that with that line they have a real chance to be good, and that is one good reason to keep Ryan, because the DL seems like the heart of that team.

And there is Morninwheg, who can build offenses, but Smith is not the answer.

I'm not sure if this is on par with the 1983 and 2004 drafts in terms of QBs available, but if it is the Jets should stick their nose in there and take a shot while they can.

I've read similar posts before, and i think the odds of obtaining a franchise QB are not fully appreciated. Right now let's say for arguments sake their are maybe 10-12 in the league. But 3 of them were drafted in 2001 or earlier, that's over 12 years ago. So 7-9 drafted in the last 12 years is less than 1 per year. For the most part it comes down to luck - either the luck of the draw when you have a top pick that there's one at the top of the draft, i.e Indy, Washington, or just being lucky in picking someone lower in the draft i.e Seattle. So not sure what you want the Jets to do. They took a shot at Geno in the 2nd round. He's looked decent so far. Give him at least another year, maybe 2 and see how he develops.

 

[Fariq]

Drew Brees didn't look good through two seasons. Smith is a rookie with Spadola as his best receiver. A little patience, please.

 

[FUBAR]

Geno certainly deserves another year, he's done better than I thought he would.

Seems to me that as he develops, he needs a #1 outlet but hill makes a good deep threat. His backs aren't great and his receivers have been hurt. Give him time.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

1. A decision with ramifications: If Rex Ryan benches the struggling Geno Smith at some point, it means Smith's season-long audition is over. The Jets would try to spin it another way, of course, but you don't replace a second-round pick in a playoff race for an unproven commodity (Matt Simms) unless you're absolutely convinced Smith isn't the answer. They'd be admitting they blew the draft pick. That's why I think Ryan, with perhaps nudging from GM John Idzik, won't make a panic move. Many fans are screaming for Simms, but be careful for what you wish for.

"He's a developing reserve," said an AFC scout, speaking on the condition of anonymity. "You know when he goes in, the game is over. He has size and arm talent, but I think he's a good No. 3 who has some developmental upside. ... You have to take some lumps with [smith]. He's a second-rounder, not a top-10 guy. Get the ball out of his hand, give him easy reads and throws. Run the ball and run it some more. Let him manage the game and not be the difference maker."

Easier said than done, as the Jets are finding out. Ryan is in a tough spot. He needs wins to save his job, but he's stuck with a limited quarterback situation -- one he helped create.

Will the Jets use another early draft pick to select a QB if rookie Geno Smith continues to struggle the rest of the season?

2. This makes no sense: QB David Garrard is on the team for one reason only -- to serve as a mentor to Smith. Garrard is a good and willing teacher, but his arrival has coincided with Smith's downturn. In the five games before Garrard's arrival, Smith was 3-2 with a respectable passer rating of 80. In five games with Garrard at his side, Smith is 2-3 with an atrocious 48 rating. It's probably coincidence, but it's weird, no?

3. Back-to-back QBs?: This question has been coming up a lot lately: If the Jets aren't happy with Smith, could they pick another quarterback in the next draft? It wouldn't be unprecedented for a team to use two high picks on a quarterback in consecutive drafts. The last time it happened was 2010-11, when the Carolina Panthers picked Jimmy Clausen in the second round (No. 48 overall) and Cam Newton in the first (No. 1 overall), respectively. Clausen went 1-9 as a rookie, so Newton was a no-brainer. It would be different for the Jets, who probably will be picking in the middle of the first round. By then, the franchise-type quarterbacks will be gone, complicating the decision. If Smith doesn't make dramatic improvement over the final six games, the Jets have to be in the quarterback market.

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/jets/post/_/id/31777/sunday-notes-rex-ryans-qb-dilemma

 

[Tool]

3 or 4 weeks ago, mel kiper did a re-draft of where players would be picked if the draft were held now. Smith went in the top 10 (i think #6). So yeah, he's looked pretty bad the last few weeks, but geez, unless he just plays like crap for the rest of the season, give him a little more time and bring in a vet who can compete.