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In fairness to Pagac, the starters this year were: Greenway, Henderson and Mitchell...Greenway is good, but the others, not so much (honestly, special teamers at best). You saw how Audie Cole shined when given a shot. If they spend a 1st-3rd round pick on a LB and can bring Hodges along, as well as Mauti (who I think can be a stud), they could be ok. But as the saying goes: "You can't make chicken salad out of chicken s>>>!"
As I mentioned before, if those 3 are gone, I'd rather trade down and get extra picks, go Defense in the 1st round and draft Mettenberger in the 2nd.
Yup, from what I've seen and read on Carr, he seems like he has very similar issues as Ponder. Maybe a stronger arm, but really bad decisions under pressure. He also tends to do really well in practice and places where he is not under pressure.As I mentioned before, if those 3 are gone, I'd rather trade down and get extra picks, go Defense in the 1st round and draft Mettenberger in the 2nd.
Before his injury he was projected to be one of the top QB's for the 2014 draft.
Here is one persons opinion on Mettenberger
I'm sure the TC will host one soon, the NFL always gives new stadiums a SB. But that will be the only one. If I was going to a super bowl as a fan and had paid a massive price for tickets to see my team literally the last place I'd want to travel to in February is MN. Can you imagine the uproar and complaining from the national and international press corps if the morning of the SB everyone woke up and the temp was -20? Even the people that live there hate this time of year. Why the hell would people who don't live there want to deal with it?
Since the Senior Bowl the stock of a couple of the players I put in my Vikings mock draft have gone up and Colvin tore his ACL so I am going to try a post Senior Bowl edition. I am still going to add 1 compensatory pick for the expected loss of Jared Allen but I am going to make it a 4th rounder instead of a 3rd like I did in my first one. Since I think we have no shot at getting Manziel, I still believe we should load up on Defense this year and give Cassel a full year under Norv Turner and if it doesnt work out go all out for our franchise QB next year in what will be a loaded QB draft. So here's version 2:
Good comments Bia. I feel that Spielman learned his lesson with Ponder and reaching too far for a QB and wont make that mistake again. I think the only QB that will be there at 8 is Carr and he should not even sniff the top 30 players overall on the Vikings draft board so they will pass and go highest Defensive player. I think Manziel is the only player worth moving up to get and we dont have the ammo some teams like Cleveland have to move up so I really think our best play is to move down a bit and pick up a pick in the 2nd or 3rd round. I agree with you completely about the LB corp and I think this position will be where Zimmer will need to really assemble a group to play exactly the style of Defense he wants to play. I believe Mauti and Hodges have alot to offer that we didnt get to see and Greenway and Cole in the right scheme can be very effective. Adding some young aggressive tackling LB's like Borland and Kirksey would give us a real talented and young group that Zimmer could mold in his image. I love Dennard, Donald, and Murphy as real aggressive and tough players. We could do a complete Defensive identity switch with a draft like this and a strategic free agent or 2. I think on Offense that Cassel being the starter from the get go with Turner in a new Offensive scheme with the weapons we have in Peterson, Patterson, Jennings, and Rudolph and a little upgrade to our Offensive line can do well. Is Cassel ideal.....no but I think our QB of the future is in next years draft and not this one.
My expectations for the Vikings are much lower this year. The Vikings defense was one of the worst in franchise history. They have 11 free agents on defense including vets like Jared Allen and Kevin Williams. I don't expect Zimmer to be a miracle worker. Usually the turn over is large in a new coaches first year especially when they are bringing in a new scheme. The over/under for this the season should be around 6 games.
I dont necessarily think that we will be in a better position to draft a QB next year but that we go balls to the wall to get up into the top of the draft to get one at whatever cost. We have had alot of 1st round picks the last couple of years that will need to be re-signed in the next couple years so giving up a 2016 1st round along with our 1st in 2015 plus whatever other picks we need to go get an elite prospect like Winston, Mariota, or Hundley. I also think Petty, Mannion, and Cook could also go in the 1st round so shaping up to be a real strong QB draft. I dont expect a Kansas City style turnaround but laying a foundation on Defense with this draft is what I think we need. Even with the QB situation we had our Offense was not the reason we were as bad as we were. I am willing to give Cassel a chance with the new regime and a full off-season as "the guy" in order to concentrate on the D.Biabreakable said:
Because Derek Carr is so thin I expected him to measure in at 6'3" or 6'4" at the senior bowl but he actually measured in at 6'2" 215. So the strong arm is one thing Turner may value but his size is very average.
.Eric Galko had this to report on Mettenberger,
I have personally never been impressed by Mettenberger. I always thought that AJ McCarron looked better than him when they played each other.
I can see that with Nix as well. I see a Hageman/Floyd mix as more of a Randle/Hank Thomas duo than the Williams Wall. More upfield pressure. They need to bring in somebody to play DT, whether it is in the first or later...
I get people feeling like this, but I'd rather the team try to win whenever it can. You see teams remaining competitive even when drafting late each year and it spotlights for me that it all really comes down to having good scouting and personnel decisions, wherever you draft. You need to be able to find the Brees/Kaepernick/Wilson etc. Vikes are probably drafting right where they should be given the number of close losses they had.
Who are other possible FA targets? He may be a square peg, but Michael Vick anyone? Looked pretty good at the beginning of 2013 but definitely proved too fragile for that QB option stuff Chip Kelly was heavy on. He's shown a strong (albeit inaccurate at times) arm historically.
http://espn.go.com/blog/minnesota-vikings/post/_/id/4754/turner-vikings-want-to-add-young-qb?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
It's going to be fun!!
Link to the video of Norv's press conference.
Carr and a "quarterback later in the draft" are not mutually exclusive. He is a second round pick according to many scouts.
People said the same thing about Manuel last year. I'm not convinced that the Raiders don't reach for him at #5. Personally, I think Carr is a perfect fit for Turner's offense and they'd be lucky to get him at #8.
They might have that but I do know that people did say that Geno Smith would be in consideration as the #1 pick, that Ryan Nassib wouldn't make past Buffalo at 8 and some QB desperate team would use a first rounder on Tyler wilson or Matt Barkley. So in my view that makes that more likely wrong when they say that Carr is a top 8 pick.
Up off Lake Mille Lacs. Probably interviewed him at the annual Arctic Blast event... ran Feb 6-9.
Yeah! No one has ever found a franchise QB after the first 7 picks of rd 1.
might as well just pack in now.. before free agency, before the possibility of moving up in the draft if they feel one of the QB's is worth it.In fact lets just pack it in for the next two years so we can build for a new stadium run at the super bowl 
