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Agreed. I really like both Hill and Mason. Think they both are going to be RB1s as soon as next year. Mason has to work on his pass catching, but he just turned 21. Hill just turned 22, and he's got it all going for him already, save Gio.Concept Coop said:
The injury history is a worry. My hope is that most of those were flukes, and now that he's behind a monster line he'll do amazing. My bigger worry is that he'll be on a different team next year. There's a chance he's put his injury history in the past only missing a couple games in the last 2 years. He missed 6 in 2012 and 3 in 2011, but 2013 and 2014 he's been mostly healthy. The cowboy's line is also super young and should be the same for a couple more years. Hopefully the combo of Murray and Randle will do well there, but if he leaves in FA I'll be sad.
Even though I'm of the opinion that Shady is rated WAY too high by the dynasty community right now, this trade is beyond awful.
I agree with this. Shady is still a top 10 dynasty back and top 25 overall dynasty player. This isn't even top 50 price
Horrendous
Cooks. I would have a hard time making that deal even if I was contendingSebowski said:
I wouldn't be so harsh. If you are in a position to win the league it is worth sacrificing future potential instead of taking at least a little money and potentially a lot of money 1 year. In this league only 4 teams out of 12 have won titles in the last 9 years. You have a shot, you take it.Dawg Pound 69 said:
This is the best thread going in the Shark Pool, but I wonder sometimes how many of these are really completed trades and how many are "hey, do you think if I offer this he would consider it"?
Why do that when you have the assistant coach? Or better yet why not just offer the trade and see what happens?I can tell you I was the recipient of Graham in the deal above and it was the Graham owners counter to the following offer: Ladarius Green, Tavon Austin, 2015 1, 2015 2. I was a bit surprised because I felt like the initial offer was better than his counter.
The OP clearly states "This is not the place to ask if you should offer/accept a trade. This thread is completed threads only."
Agreed. White isn't some washed up Randy Moss here, he's a solid WR2 (outscoring Cooks) with plenty left in the tank. I could see 2-3 more years like this easily. Cooks isn't exactly ripping it up either. He looks like a nice WR, but it wouldn't shock if he caps out at high-WR2 status. Short WR's typically have trouble breaking double-digit TD's, a prereq for top 10 status.
I think White has a little left in the tank - maybe a couple more Boldin-ish years. I gave up a lot less than Cooks (Cruz and a couple 4th's) for him though since his career is winding down.
Yes in general, in a vaccuum, I agree, easily. However, if competing for a title is on the line, I can see it. Maybe even move Roddy next year for next year's hot-but-on-IR rookie.
Still a garbage offer. If he sent you that offer first that's one thing, but these are the kind that I feel can completely sour leagues and at minimum makes owners more likely to shell up and refuse to consider future trades. There's not much skill involved in being the first person in your league to screw the less experienced player out of probably his best asset.
I think it's a terrible move by Team B. Even is his panic move turns out to be correct and McCoy is never good again (which isn't likely) he got basically nothing for him. Landry is the best asset coming back to him and he's a dime a dozen type WR.Andrew74 said:
Not a "garbage offer". It was simply a startpoint. There is an art to the trade. Everyone has their own approach. You choose to show all your cards up front I guess? Everyone values players differently. At the beginning of the season I traded Christine Michael, Latavius Murray, Crabtree and Witten for Lacy. Many here thought I gave up way too much and got ripped off. Where's the dynasty value of the 4 players I gave up now? Things change quickly.
Pretty much take the players in all those deals...Walker is the one I would be most fine taking the pick
I agree. I'm fine with people selling McCoy but at least get something of value for him. At least get a 1st rounder plus some change. I'd happily give a 1st rounder for McCoy and I'd happily accept a 1st rounder for all the stuff that Team A is giving up.
If you are playing with owners that will shut it down if there is a bad trade or two then you are playing with a bunch of wusses and need to find a new league
If someone in my league would consider selling Graham for table scraps I would consider finding a new league
Yepmaxhyde said:
So you want to keep leagues going, but would leave if someone made a deal you assume is bad? Sounds like a winning formula.fredsavage said:
I'll give a bit of commentary on this one. I'm team A and am on the outside looking in for a playoff spot (5-6 record). Before the trades, I may have made the playoffs with week 12 and 13 wins - far from a sure thing though. With the loss of Cooks to IR, I felt I should fold up shop for the year and play for the next one. Core group after the trades:
