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** Official 2014 Philadelphia Eagles Thread ** (1 Viewer)
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Deranged Hermit
Not cool & Pissed
That's right, many viewed him as an interior lineman.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
You have to think Graham goes to someone in the next 2 days as well. Probably for a bag of peanuts (5th rounder) at this point.
GoBirds
Footballguy
Probably, sucks seeing someone we traded up in the 1st go for nothing. Wish they could make use of the guy.
JetMaxx
Footballguy
Not a bad prediction, got the player wrong but nailed the trade down concept and position drafted. Just seemed likely because almost every mocked scenario had the talent pool drying up by their pick.
Insein
Footballguy
Wish he was good enough to make use of. If we get a 5th for him, I'd call that a steal at this point.
Billy Bats
Footballguy
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
@JimmyKempski: Howie on @WIPMorningShow: Tried to trade back 2x when they were @ 26, were worried that they'd go too far back & lose a good tier of players
@JimmyKempski: Howie on @WIPMorningShow: Personnel around the league agreed Marcus Smith would not be there later in the 2nd round.
@SheilKapadia: ICYMI, No-22 breakdown of Marcus Smith. Has all the traits Eagles are looking for from OLB position: http://t.co/dlOaAVvecz
@EliotShorrParks: Here is a spider chart on Marcus Smith vs. other OLB, via @mockdraftable. Notice arm length, 10-sec burst #Eagles http://t.co/U4chlUooTk
@JimmyKempski: Howie on @WIPMorningShow: Personnel around the league agreed Marcus Smith would not be there later in the 2nd round.
@SheilKapadia: ICYMI, No-22 breakdown of Marcus Smith. Has all the traits Eagles are looking for from OLB position: http://t.co/dlOaAVvecz
@EliotShorrParks: Here is a spider chart on Marcus Smith vs. other OLB, via @mockdraftable. Notice arm length, 10-sec burst #Eagles http://t.co/U4chlUooTk
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
Honestly. I blame our media. How much damn time and energy was spent on Johnny F'ing Manziel coming here rather than what we actually needed? How can that Lawlor write-up be the ONLY thing prior to the draft having Smith as a candidate for us? It's unreal actually. We have to have some of the worst talk radio and reporters in the country.
dhockster
Footballguy
A couple points to reinforce my positive Eagles bias:
-Since this is a deep WR draft, you get better value by waiting to take a WR later than taking one early. Also, based on what Kelly did with Riley Cooper, when he had every right to cut him preseason, I would rather he take a WR that fits his system more than a WR that has better measurables.
-As to the pick of Smith: I worry first that they took a good player. I worry second about whether they took him at the right spot. If he turns out to be a good player, then I don't care so much that MAYBE they took him higher than he should have gone.
Until I see otherwise: In Chip we trust!
-Since this is a deep WR draft, you get better value by waiting to take a WR later than taking one early. Also, based on what Kelly did with Riley Cooper, when he had every right to cut him preseason, I would rather he take a WR that fits his system more than a WR that has better measurables.
-As to the pick of Smith: I worry first that they took a good player. I worry second about whether they took him at the right spot. If he turns out to be a good player, then I don't care so much that MAYBE they took him higher than he should have gone.
Until I see otherwise: In Chip we trust!
dhockster
Footballguy
Are you saying he is going to be shot? Darn it!
EDIT: Sorry, I thought you were talking about Smith
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Billy Bats
Footballguy
GoBirds
Footballguy
Haha, lets hope Smith turns out better than those two.
Typing " Haha" pisses me off today.
Buddy Ball 2K3
Footballguy
When you have zero pass rushers on your team and there are only a handful available in the draft you gotta get one.
NFL.com had Dee Ford graded at 5.75 and Marcus Smith at 5.64 for what its worth.
NFL.com had Dee Ford graded at 5.75 and Marcus Smith at 5.64 for what its worth.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
I liked Ford for the same reason I like Smith. I just wanted a guy to take Cole off of the field in obvious passing downs. My only issue with Ford was his size and it looks like that was an issue with Chip as well. As it stands now I'm totally behnd this pick. It was a need and more than likely the highest player on their board and we got an extra pick. Also, pretty much every WR we discussed is still availible and we have 3 picks today
Insein
Footballguy
Yep. All about the sizzle. They spent weeks on the "what if Johnny M was available at 22?" Then it happens and OMG they dont take him. What a freakin surprise.
Mighty Mice
Footballguy
It's this had had me shaking my head last night, as it seems even Philly knew he was overvalued at 26. Ideally, we could have gotten Smith at 40, not at 26. Trade down 10-15 slots and pick up a 4th or 5th and still get him...
That being said, we needed an OLB and pass rush. In fact, IMO pass rush was the teams BIGGEST need. Smith has the measurables and fits the system. And, he wouldn't be there at 54.
Seeing as how they tried to trade down, couldn't, they took a player they liked, who fits a need for the defense and will contribute on passing downs this season, and did get an extra third.
It's grown on me a lot since last night with the extra info.
Good write up from Walter Football I posted last night. They had him ranked 5th, right behind Shazier and Mosley and ahead of Dee Ford
Marcus Smith, DE/OLB, Louisville
Height: 6-3. Weight: 251.
40 Time: 4.68.
Projected Round (2014): 1-3.
5/5/14: In a draft that lacks pass-rushing talent, Smith has had a late rise. Some feel he could go late in the first round.
The Cardinals had a tough defense in 2013, and Smith was the leader of the unit. He was the American Conference Defensive Player of the Year as he finished the season with 14.5 sacks for Louisville. Smith also had 42 tackles with 18.5 tackles for a loss, four forced fumbles and three passes broken up. The senior's sack total put him second in the nation behind only Stanford's Trent Murphy.
Smith had multi-sack games against Florida International, Rutgers, South Florida, Connecticut and Miami. He then held his own at the Senior Bowl and did well at the Combine. Smith's stock has been rising down the home stretch.
Smith collected four sacks and 5.5 sacks as a junior and sophomore, respectively. He played defensive end for the Cardinals, but in the NFL, he will have to move to outside linebacker. Smith would fit best as an outside linebacker in a 3-4 defense.
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Mighty Mice
Footballguy
Wouldn't shock me one bit. Maclin on a one year deal and really only Cooper behind him. Need to replace DJax, of course, but also Avant took lots of snaps at WR last year. Need depth for sure.
Lots of good WRs here, highlighted be Lee who I kind of wish we had taken at 26 really.
Lee, Latimer, Adams, Moncrief, A. Robinson all worth 54 or better IMO
Billy Bats
Footballguy
With Chip's comments about their 6 players being taken by 22, and Howie referencing known players with injury history, sounds like Lee was never a target.
I struggled to watch the whole thing last night as I kept seeing players I'd hoped for falling off the board early, knowing full well that most would. I had alerts coming in to my phone as picks were made, so I would flip back to NFLN to check in and then go back to whatever I was watching. I was already getting tired when they traded back in the first. I had a hard time staying awake until pick 26 and the only thing keeping me up was the possibility of landing a top prospect. When they took Smith, I said, "Whaaa?" and fell promptly asleep. Glad I didn't over think it and waited until this morning to get a better read on this guy.
I like Allen Robinson, more than most I suspect, and would be happy to land him today. I just don't see (or want) us moving up to grab any of the others and I also think they will be long gone by the time we pick next. I'd like to see a WR, S and DL taken tonight.
I like Allen Robinson, more than most I suspect, and would be happy to land him today. I just don't see (or want) us moving up to grab any of the others and I also think they will be long gone by the time we pick next. I'd like to see a WR, S and DL taken tonight.
I don't think Lee's worth what it's going to take to move up and get him - maybe for some teams he'd be worth "overpaying" for, but to be honest he reminds me a whole lot of Maclin, and the Birds have one of those already.
My biggest worry tonight is seeing a WR run happen above us and having all those guys fall off the board before #54. I don't have a real strong preference among your group but, man, they've gotta get somebody.
GoBirds
Footballguy
I wouldnt mind seeing them take 2 WR out of the next 3 picks.....if Maclin leaves next year all we have is Cooper.
I bet that wasn't exclusive to the Philadelphia media. Manziel WAS the sizzle in this year's draft. Having him be the topic-of-the-day was good for ratings, number of callers, and heated debate. I'm not disagreeing about the talk radio hosts in general, but I think the Manziel stuff was caller-driven.
Billy Bats
Footballguy
My god Gruden wanted every team to take Johnny football, it was hysterical.
And here is a good summary of all of our reactions:
http://nbcsports700level.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/iggle.gif
And here is a good summary of all of our reactions:
http://nbcsports700level.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/iggle.gif
Buddy Ball 2K3
Footballguy
More importantly who is the chick in the back?My god Gruden wanted every team to take Johnny football, it was hysterical.
And here is a good summary of all of our reactions:
http://nbcsports700level.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/iggle.gif
CaptainCrunch
Footballguy
What about the Eagles trading for Bills WR Stevie Johnson as they have a glut @ WR. Should be able to get him for a later round pick (4th or 5th?). Has had a few 1,000 yard seasons and at 6'2"/ 207 lbs has some half decent size which Chip Kelly seems to like. Not the sexiest add, but he is only 27 and might be a good option if no one is there of their liking in the 2nd.
Deranged Hermit
Not cool & Pissed
I don't want that bloated contract. He's apparently pretty lazy too.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
I just want one to be Martavis Bryant...Jordan Matthews and him would be my drean scanerio
GoBirds
Footballguy
CaptainCrunch
Footballguy
Insein
Footballguy
Funny that Stevie and Desean are very similar players with similar contracts and similar personalities. One gets a 4th. The other nothing.
Nucker101
Footballguy
Plus they had picks to spare. Not too high on Stevie, but he's solid when not asked to be the go-to WR. He turns 28 this year, 25-28 is typically the prime for most WR's.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
@EliotShorrParks: Roseman says Graham is an outside linebacker, won't go to DE bc of Smith #Eagles
@EliotShorrParks: Howie says he thought about trading back from 26, but he is "certain" that Smith wouldn't have been there #Eagles
@LesBowen: Smith said he thinks his best attribute is pass rush. Wants to be able to set stronger edge, be a three-down guy and not a specialist.
@LesBowen: Smith said he feels Eagles and Louisville defensive schemes are similar.
@LesBowen: Smith: fans should relax. I feel like I can be a great player ... It's not about how you're projected...I'll try not to let anybody down.
@MattLombardo975: Smith: We have great linebackers here and I'm excited to learn under them and hopefully contribute to the team. #Eagles #EaglesTalk
@LesBowen: Smith: I never doubted I could go in the first...I know how good I can be.
@MattLombardo975: Smith: I think I needed to get my legs stronger-when transitioning from QB. I weight 217, now I weigh 255. My playing weight is 250-255.
@howardeskin: 1st rd @Eagles wanted Cooks, Clinton Dix so traded out to 26. The eag tried to trade out of 26 w #vikings and wanted multiple pks. Minn not
@MattLombardo975: Newest Eagle, Marcus Smith. #EaglesTalk http://t.co/ctQ2XToFLp
@EliotShorrParks: Marcus Smith is easily the most athletic looking of the #Eagles linebackers. Leaner than Barwin, taller than Kendricks #Eagles
@EliotShorrParks: Howie says he thought about trading back from 26, but he is "certain" that Smith wouldn't have been there #Eagles
@LesBowen: Smith said he thinks his best attribute is pass rush. Wants to be able to set stronger edge, be a three-down guy and not a specialist.
@LesBowen: Smith said he feels Eagles and Louisville defensive schemes are similar.
@LesBowen: Smith: fans should relax. I feel like I can be a great player ... It's not about how you're projected...I'll try not to let anybody down.
@MattLombardo975: Smith: We have great linebackers here and I'm excited to learn under them and hopefully contribute to the team. #Eagles #EaglesTalk
@LesBowen: Smith: I never doubted I could go in the first...I know how good I can be.
@MattLombardo975: Smith: I think I needed to get my legs stronger-when transitioning from QB. I weight 217, now I weigh 255. My playing weight is 250-255.
@howardeskin: 1st rd @Eagles wanted Cooks, Clinton Dix so traded out to 26. The eag tried to trade out of 26 w #vikings and wanted multiple pks. Minn not
@MattLombardo975: Newest Eagle, Marcus Smith. #EaglesTalk http://t.co/ctQ2XToFLp
@EliotShorrParks: Marcus Smith is easily the most athletic looking of the #Eagles linebackers. Leaner than Barwin, taller than Kendricks #Eagles
Awful Waffle
Footballguy
Good thing we didn't trade for Josh Gordon
GoBirds
Footballguy
Well there will be one less WR available when we pick tonight. Wish this news couldve waited a day ot two.
zadok
Footballguy
still need a DB or 2 of course, but as far as WR, I really like Donte Moncrief. Jordan Matthews, Allen Robinson, Martavis Bryant, Jarvis Landry, Shaq Evans all good.
ETA: a healthy Marqise Lee would be great, but I'm not sure he is or ever will be...
ETA: a healthy Marqise Lee would be great, but I'm not sure he is or ever will be...
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Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
Matthews, Batiste and Bryant please!
Mighty Mice
Footballguy
Besides the WR's who somehow keep falling past CLE, I'll take Verett at CB even if he's small, Bucannon at S, or see who falls at OLine. Love Richburg if he's there at C...can he play G?
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GoBirds
Footballguy
Mighty Mice
Footballguy
YES! My bad, was looking at old list. Obviously, both gone end of round 1
At CB looking at McGill, much better size but slower. Next best S IMO would be Dion Bailey.
Very encouraged by the WRs falling at the top of the second, though, and we may be looking at some good choices there.
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