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Official 2015 Cowboys Thread- 4-12. We won the 4th pick! (2 Viewers)
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Routilla
Footballguy
From 247 Sports via CBS,
(Photo: Matthew Emmons, USA TODAY Sports)
Dallas Cowboys defensive end Greg Hardy missed the third day of OTAs in Week 1 because he was in Washington D.C. appealing his 10-game suspension.
Hardy went through the process and is now awaiting a decision. So when should we be expecting to hear on that from the NFL?
COO Stephen Jones doesn't know a specific date, but he believes it could be sometime within two weeks after the appeal occurred.
I think its usually two weeks, is the time frame, Jones said after OTAs on Wednesday. I dont think its a rule or anything, but thats usually what you expect. Sometimes it can be sooner.
Judging by that, we could see a decision in between the end of OTAs on June 11 and before mandatory minicamp on June 16. The NFL hasn't set an exact date, but be on the lookout when this time frame comes around.
There's a possibility that Hardy's suspension could get drastically reduced from 10 to two games. Big news could be on its way for the Cowboys defense.
(Photo: Matthew Emmons, USA TODAY Sports)
Dallas Cowboys defensive end Greg Hardy missed the third day of OTAs in Week 1 because he was in Washington D.C. appealing his 10-game suspension.
Hardy went through the process and is now awaiting a decision. So when should we be expecting to hear on that from the NFL?
COO Stephen Jones doesn't know a specific date, but he believes it could be sometime within two weeks after the appeal occurred.
I think its usually two weeks, is the time frame, Jones said after OTAs on Wednesday. I dont think its a rule or anything, but thats usually what you expect. Sometimes it can be sooner.
Judging by that, we could see a decision in between the end of OTAs on June 11 and before mandatory minicamp on June 16. The NFL hasn't set an exact date, but be on the lookout when this time frame comes around.
There's a possibility that Hardy's suspension could get drastically reduced from 10 to two games. Big news could be on its way for the Cowboys defense.
Bob Magaw
Footballguy
May be a re-post, but in case anybody hasn't seen it.
The Cowboys and the Indian (VIDEO 13 minutes)
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/cowboys-and-indian-fivethirtyeight-films-signals/
Decades Before Moneyball, The Dallas Cowboys Used Advanced Stats To Win Super Bowls
By FiveThirtyEight
A. Salam Qureishi grew up in India and knew nothing about football — or America. And yet in the early 1960s, Qureishi, a computer programmer and statistician, helped the Dallas Cowboys overhaul their scouting system, replacing hunches with hard numbers.
The result: five Super Bowl appearances and two titles. FiveThirtyEight and ESPN Films present “The Cowboys and the Indian,” directed by Mark Polish. It’s the second film in our short series “Signals.” (Watch our first “Signals” film, “The Man vs. the Machine,” here.)
The Cowboys and the Indian (VIDEO 13 minutes)
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/cowboys-and-indian-fivethirtyeight-films-signals/
Decades Before Moneyball, The Dallas Cowboys Used Advanced Stats To Win Super Bowls
By FiveThirtyEight
A. Salam Qureishi grew up in India and knew nothing about football — or America. And yet in the early 1960s, Qureishi, a computer programmer and statistician, helped the Dallas Cowboys overhaul their scouting system, replacing hunches with hard numbers.
The result: five Super Bowl appearances and two titles. FiveThirtyEight and ESPN Films present “The Cowboys and the Indian,” directed by Mark Polish. It’s the second film in our short series “Signals.” (Watch our first “Signals” film, “The Man vs. the Machine,” here.)
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mikmak8902
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STEADYMOBBIN 22
Footballguy
Lol- why are you linking your post on another forum? Do you think we're going to start posting there or something?
Anyway- They're filling out the bottom 90/special teams guys trying to replace what Dwayne Harris did.
Anyway- They're filling out the bottom 90/special teams guys trying to replace what Dwayne Harris did.
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cr8f
Footballguy
Of course. They are trying to hold him to last years agreement when he committed the crime the year before.
STEADYMOBBIN 22
Footballguy
I think he gets 2-4.
Bankerguy
Footballguy
Been a while since I posted much. So here are my current random thoughts and musings:
-I see Randle as the undisputed starter at RB *if* no moves are made and it's not even close for me. I am really worried about health for both Williams and DMac long term. Seastruck...meh. Couldn't even hang on teams with RB depth problems. Dunbar is a JAG too.
-Our off season was very much under rated league wide and it's obvious to me that our defense is going to be markedably better. A healthy Sean Lee, Ro Mac, and then add in Greg Hardy and a suddenly beasting looking Lawrence along with Jones who certainly looks the part along with the uber talented and raw Gregory.
-I may have to eat crow on Lawrence. I fully admit I bagged on his selection. Give me until Week 6 before i give a Mea Culpa.
-Collins looks solid, but I think he will batle Leary all camp for the right to start at LG. He is NOT a shoe in. He is very good, but not in the same league as Martin or Frederick imo.
-A heathly looking Tony Romo is always a good sign. Hopefully this continues.
-I have been hard on TWill so it was good to hear him come out this off season and admit he took plays off and that he needs to work on catching more balls with his hands and stop relying on his body so much. I know it's OTA's but Romo and Dooley have been complimentary.
-Mo Claiborne...this is your last shot with the Cowboys. The funny thing is with a good season from him, that D could be scary.
-I predict Hardy serves between 2-4 games.
-This team has the look of a 9-13 win team right now if we stay reasonable healthy.
-One player I would love to see added to the roster is Reggie Wayne. I had visions the other night. I couldn't stop thinking about running a 4 wide set with Dez, Wayne.......Beasley, Williams in the Red Zone. Defend that.
-I am not as worried as some about the Dez contract situation. It will get done at the right time and for the price. Dez wants to be a Cowboy and we want him. The hold up will be a couple other deals for top end WR's. I think Denver will have to act first or potentially lose one of D. Thomas or V. Miller next year in free agency. I think once that goes down the other deals happen shortly after that. Dez will sign his tender and attend camp....all IMO.
-Despite having a high number on the books, we have made significant strides in our CAP situation. This is vital as we hav some guys to look after the Dez deal goes down. Frederick and Martin will need doing over the next 2 years.
-I still have a feeling we trade for a RB by the trade deadline. I've said it somewhere else (either this thread or another Cowboys related one) but I think we do something. Forte makes too much sense. He's on a terrible team, FA at year's end. Decent runner, great ball catcher out of the backfield and solid in pass pro. I could stomach giving a 3rd or a 2nd conditional on a Super Bowl appreance.
This year is one of the most exciting ever for me as a fan. I truly have faith in all areas the franchise is going. As well, and I am sure nobody cares but I am possibly going to see 3 games live. In Buffalo for sure, also my buddy does business in Dall from time to time. His partners are and him are taking me to Dallas for the first time to see either Seatlle or New England. Lastly, my GF and I are also talking about a trip to Green Bay to see a great battle. It's a little unfortunate she is cheese head, which I find totally ironic with her being lactose intolerant...lol. So am I apparently. Go Cowboys!
Going to Dallas is an absolute dream come true for me. It will likely even be oddly emotional stepping into At&T. I have LOVED this team for over 35+ years (Fan at 6) and to finally cheer like crazy without fear (LOL-like in Buffalo) will be incredible. I will definately take a stadium tour if there are any available on the day before the game. Also, to any of my Dallas local friends.... I need some ideas for bars/nightclubs for my buddy and I to hit up.
If any anyone wants to tak out a couple of crazy 40 year old Canadians...I'll take a PM.
The season cannot get here soon enough!!!
*I am pretty sure BIG TEX if he still visits here...promised me a free steak dinner in his restaurant". Holler at your boy Tex!
-I see Randle as the undisputed starter at RB *if* no moves are made and it's not even close for me. I am really worried about health for both Williams and DMac long term. Seastruck...meh. Couldn't even hang on teams with RB depth problems. Dunbar is a JAG too.
-Our off season was very much under rated league wide and it's obvious to me that our defense is going to be markedably better. A healthy Sean Lee, Ro Mac, and then add in Greg Hardy and a suddenly beasting looking Lawrence along with Jones who certainly looks the part along with the uber talented and raw Gregory.
-I may have to eat crow on Lawrence. I fully admit I bagged on his selection. Give me until Week 6 before i give a Mea Culpa.
-Collins looks solid, but I think he will batle Leary all camp for the right to start at LG. He is NOT a shoe in. He is very good, but not in the same league as Martin or Frederick imo.
-A heathly looking Tony Romo is always a good sign. Hopefully this continues.
-I have been hard on TWill so it was good to hear him come out this off season and admit he took plays off and that he needs to work on catching more balls with his hands and stop relying on his body so much. I know it's OTA's but Romo and Dooley have been complimentary.
-Mo Claiborne...this is your last shot with the Cowboys. The funny thing is with a good season from him, that D could be scary.
-I predict Hardy serves between 2-4 games.
-This team has the look of a 9-13 win team right now if we stay reasonable healthy.
-One player I would love to see added to the roster is Reggie Wayne. I had visions the other night. I couldn't stop thinking about running a 4 wide set with Dez, Wayne.......Beasley, Williams in the Red Zone. Defend that.
-I am not as worried as some about the Dez contract situation. It will get done at the right time and for the price. Dez wants to be a Cowboy and we want him. The hold up will be a couple other deals for top end WR's. I think Denver will have to act first or potentially lose one of D. Thomas or V. Miller next year in free agency. I think once that goes down the other deals happen shortly after that. Dez will sign his tender and attend camp....all IMO.
-Despite having a high number on the books, we have made significant strides in our CAP situation. This is vital as we hav some guys to look after the Dez deal goes down. Frederick and Martin will need doing over the next 2 years.
-I still have a feeling we trade for a RB by the trade deadline. I've said it somewhere else (either this thread or another Cowboys related one) but I think we do something. Forte makes too much sense. He's on a terrible team, FA at year's end. Decent runner, great ball catcher out of the backfield and solid in pass pro. I could stomach giving a 3rd or a 2nd conditional on a Super Bowl appreance.
This year is one of the most exciting ever for me as a fan. I truly have faith in all areas the franchise is going. As well, and I am sure nobody cares but I am possibly going to see 3 games live. In Buffalo for sure, also my buddy does business in Dall from time to time. His partners are and him are taking me to Dallas for the first time to see either Seatlle or New England. Lastly, my GF and I are also talking about a trip to Green Bay to see a great battle. It's a little unfortunate she is cheese head, which I find totally ironic with her being lactose intolerant...lol. So am I apparently. Go Cowboys!
Going to Dallas is an absolute dream come true for me. It will likely even be oddly emotional stepping into At&T. I have LOVED this team for over 35+ years (Fan at 6) and to finally cheer like crazy without fear (LOL-like in Buffalo) will be incredible. I will definately take a stadium tour if there are any available on the day before the game. Also, to any of my Dallas local friends.... I need some ideas for bars/nightclubs for my buddy and I to hit up.
If any anyone wants to tak out a couple of crazy 40 year old Canadians...I'll take a PM.
The season cannot get here soon enough!!!
*I am pretty sure BIG TEX if he still visits here...promised me a free steak dinner in his restaurant". Holler at your boy Tex!
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georg013
Footballguy
Not a Cowboys fan but this is a genuine question. Why trade for a RB? If you didn't bring Murray back, why pay another aging vet to come in? The only way I see them bringing anyone in is if Randle falls flat on his face. You can count on McFadden and Williams being hurt so it pretty much falls on the shoulders of Randle's performance and ability to keep his nose clean. They had plenty of opportunities to go get a guy but they stood pat? Why? Again, Im not supporting Randle here but wondering why it makes sense to go that route. Thanks in advance.
Bankerguy
Footballguy
Good question....I will give you my answer.
If you really take time to watch what Murray did, you have to ask yourself, was it Murray or was it the line? Are you going to pay this guy 40 million? In today's NFL, the position is just not premium or really worth the $$$ spent at a certain threshold. Look at the Pats.
I truly liked Murray the Cowboy and the team mate. I don't like Murray the 40 million dollar RB.
Cowboys brass got this right.
Here is an article about Murray and some of his challenges.
http://mmqb.si.com/2015/06/11/joseph-randle-dallas-cowboys-offensive-line-rushing-nfl/
georg013
Footballguy
I have noticed that Fantasy Sharks has tempered its MFL prediction for Joseph Randle down to about 200 carries, 1,100 yards, and 11 tds (I believe). If Randle comes out and plays solid (which shouldnt be difficult behind that line) do you still see them going after and paying another RB? I cant help but feel the reason they didnt cut Randle or draft one was because they were confident with Randle (on field). I think there is a quote by Jerry Jones suggesting what Randle could do with 20 carries a game. Collectively, it SEEMS as though Dallas is fine with its RB situation but fantasy owners are the ones who aren't? I dont know. McFadden is also someone to look out for (when and if he gets healthy).
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dhockster
Footballguy
Regarding the bolded: The Cowboys have improved their situation IF Tony Romo does not have a career ending injury in the next two years. He still has $30 million in deferred salary going into next season.
Overall, good post on the state of the Cowboys. Assuming Randle steps up into the starting role nicely and the defense improves like it looks like they should, the Cowboys will be very, very tough.
Should we make a bet on who plays more games this year, Sean Lee or Sam Bradford?
Bankerguy
Footballguy
Someone in a Cowboys forum posted everyone of Randle's runs last year from the all 22. I watched and came away confident that if this knucklehead doesn't steal anymore under wear he can be the lead back in a split situation. I would throw out a 60% of the carries number.
However, I still would not be surprised to see a trade for a Forte or someone of that ilk.
Bankerguy
Footballguy
dhockster
Footballguy
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CentralPA
Footballguy
I know you said you weren't worried about the Dez situation but it sure seems like the Cowboys are not pressing the right buttons with him. The deadline for him to sign his tender is July 15th right? What happens after that?Sure is quiet in here.
I think 4-6 games is more in the realm for Greg Hardy but I have no clue to be honest. I haven't read much up on the case but it sounded as if the evidence was damning but money talks and that seems to be how he is getting off the hook.
Definitely have my eye on Randle in fantasy PPR. Think he could have a monster year because of that O-Line.
STEADYMOBBIN 22
Footballguy
Posted this in the Dez thread...I know you said you weren't worried about the Dez situation but it sure seems like the Cowboys are not pressing the right buttons with him. The deadline for him to sign his tender is July 15th right? What happens after that?I think 4-6 games is more in the realm for Greg Hardy but I have no clue to be honest. I haven't read much up on the case but it sounded as if the evidence was damning but money talks and that seems to be how he is getting off the hook.Sure is quiet in here.
Definitely have my eye on Randle in fantasy PPR. Think he could have a monster year because of that O-Line.
It isn't as if the Cowboys haven't tried (although media reports suggest otherwise), it's that you have to have two to tango.
Agents of these free-agent wide receivers are scared that their client is going to sign a deal and then all the other free agents going to go sign deals using that deal to break the bank. In the end the first agent who gets the lousy deal is going to look really bad.
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
stop f-ing around and get this thing done
Bankerguy
Footballguy
Routilla
Footballguy
STEADYMOBBIN 22
Footballguy
He's not just a WR- he's the heartbeat of the team. All the stuff the media and opposing fans point at as negatives are actually positives for the Cowboys.
dhockster
Footballguy
Bankerguy
Footballguy
Look..no one loves Dez more then me. If he seriously wants 17 million, he can go play for Oakland or Jacksonville. I am sure they will pay it.
Dallas has been very disciplined of late with both cap distrubution with positional value. We finally seem to be building from the lines out which I have been screaming for what....10+ years now.
As far as WR contracts go it seems most teams are starting to wise up, like they did with RB's. Most are starting to see that WR's are currently being over paid and are not as valueable as some of past contracts handed out (Calvin). i believe the if you look at the 2 teams in the SuperBowl you see a bit of what I am talking about:
NE
RB- Blount and scrubs
WR-Edelman, Amendola and some young guys
Sea
RB-Lynch (This hurts my theory a bit)
WR-Baldwin, Kearse and more scrubs
The way to win in the NFL. Strong QB play, pass rush, good defense and efficient offense.
Dallas has been very disciplined of late with both cap distrubution with positional value. We finally seem to be building from the lines out which I have been screaming for what....10+ years now.
As far as WR contracts go it seems most teams are starting to wise up, like they did with RB's. Most are starting to see that WR's are currently being over paid and are not as valueable as some of past contracts handed out (Calvin). i believe the if you look at the 2 teams in the SuperBowl you see a bit of what I am talking about:
NE
RB- Blount and scrubs
WR-Edelman, Amendola and some young guys
Sea
RB-Lynch (This hurts my theory a bit)
WR-Baldwin, Kearse and more scrubs
The way to win in the NFL. Strong QB play, pass rush, good defense and efficient offense.
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mikmak8902
Footballguy
As I understand it, July 15th is the deadline for Dez Bryant to sign his franchise tender. At the moment, all the pressure is on Dez. He need to decide in the next month if he is going to take his 12M, smile, and play or not sign the tender and make the boys sign him to a long term deal now.I know you said you weren't worried about the Dez situation but it sure seems like the Cowboys are not pressing the right buttons with him. The deadline for him to sign his tender is July 15th right? What happens after that?Sure is quiet in here.
I think 4-6 games is more in the realm for Greg Hardy but I have no clue to be honest. I haven't read much up on the case but it sounded as if the evidence was damning but money talks and that seems to be how he is getting off the hook.
Definitely have my eye on Randle in fantasy PPR. Think he could have a monster year because of that O-Line.
If we get to July 16th and Dez hasn't signed his franchise tender, the pressure has now shifted to Dallas to get him signed or not have his services until they do so.
If Dez DOES sign his tender, July 15th is also the deadline for renegotiation. Once we get to July 16th, there is no re-negotiating contracts with players that have signed tenders. Even if the boys wanted to, they couldn't by rule.
*** just did some more research and I could be wrong about the deadline for the player to sign the franchise tender. It doesn't appear there is a deadline for the signing of the tender ... only the issue of the tender by the team?
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STEADYMOBBIN 22
Footballguy
Dez can hold out if he wants to, but he'll lose 800k guarantee each week he does.
Cowboys have all the leverage.
Cowboys have all the leverage.
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mikmak8902
Footballguy
Depends on how you look at it. Did they have all the leverage when Emmit held out in '93? It all depends on if the Boys are winning or not. If they struggle out of the gate with an aging Romo, they will probably cave. I don't blame Dez for taking this approach and I wouldn't blame Dallas if they told him to go #### in his hat.
STEADYMOBBIN 22
Footballguy
Emmitt didn't have a contract. There was no franchise tag. Not even close to the same thing.
mikmak8902
Footballguy
Right, forgot that none of the other clubs would offer him a deal knowing Jones would simply match it. Still, I don't think it's accurate to say that the team has ALL the leverage. Dez is a monstrous piece of that offense. Tony Romo is aging and they have a smallish window to win a championship. I'd be surprised if Stephen Jones didn't cave if it got much closer to kickoff week 1. As it stands now, it's not much of a story. Neither side will be doing anything for another month at the earliest.
Does anyone know if there is a deadline for the player to sign the tender? I couldn't find it anywhere.
Does anyone know if there is a deadline for the player to sign the tender? I couldn't find it anywhere.
mikmak8902
Footballguy
Found this article where Condon explains his situation:
http://cowboysblog.dallasnews.com/2015/03/dez-bryants-agent-raises-interesting-question-would-a-team-give-cowboys-2-first-round-picks-for-dez.html/
So here are Dez's options:
1. Sign the tag and show up to camp. If he doesn't show up to camp he starts getting fined. He can still negotiate a long term deal up until July 15th.
2. Don't sign the tag and take all the way up to Week 10 to show up if he wants to sit out and the boys don't want to sign him.
3. Sign with another team. This is unlikely as any team that signs Dez would have to give up 2 first round picks as compensation considering he has been offered a franchise tag by Dallas.
STEADYMOBBIN 22
Footballguy
Also, all cowboys fans will tell you that the Jones like waiting until the deadline to get deals done. They almost always sign their rookies last minute and Dez's deal will be no different.
Nothing gets done until there is a line on the sand and folks are forced to make some concessions.
Nothing gets done until there is a line on the sand and folks are forced to make some concessions.
dhockster
Footballguy
If Emmitt didn't have a contract and there was no franchise tag, how was Emmitt not a free agent, available to sign with anybody?
Not questioning your memory, what you wrote doesn't seem to be all the information.
mikmak8902
Footballguy
He's correct. Emmitt could have signed with anyone but none of the other teams in the league would bother offering a contract because they knew Jones would simply match.
dhockster
Footballguy
Gotcha. Thanks for clearing that up. My memory is not what it used to be. What were we talking about?
sspunisher
Footballguy
Dez is our heartbeat. IMO, a guy like him who's "struggled" with off field issues, got his act together, and is respected as one of the elite at his position is huge for our organization more than his contribution on offense. He's one of the reasons we can take a chance on young troubled rookies and have a better shot than most other teams to fix them up. You know young guys look up to him.
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Dezbelief
Footballguy
http://www.realclearsports.com/lists/memorable_nfl_holdouts/emmitt_smith_1993.html
This article claims Emmitt was a RFA.
This article claims Emmitt was a RFA.
Bankerguy
Footballguy
sspunisher
Footballguy
Loving how he can't stay away from the team. I'd be absolutely shocked if he missed more than a couple days of training camp.
dhockster
Footballguy
