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**Official 2015 Off-Season Dynasty Completed Trades Thread** (2 Viewers)

Just lost Foster and have only one playable RB - Forsett

received this trade offer - McCoy for Foster, Julius Thomas and 2016 rookie pick

I don't need Thomas so how high should rookie pick for next year be to do this deal - I don't have another way besides trade to get a second starting RB

 
12 Team PPR 2 RB 3 WR 1 Flex

Team A: Gave C.Polk

Team B: Gave Josh Huff
Give me Huff I suppose. Hopefully neither needs to start for me anytime soon.
Chris Polk could be starting for Houston with Foster and Blue nicked up
I'm not really getting all the Polk love. What has he done to suggest that he will be any better than Blue, whom everyone is pretty much panning anyway?

Yes he might get a few spot starts. But why should we expect him to be any more than a placeholder? And even that assumes they don't sign any of the much-mentioned free agents and push Polk back to 3rd string.

 
Just lost Foster and have only one playable RB - Forsett

received this trade offer - McCoy for Foster, Julius Thomas and 2016 rookie pick

I don't need Thomas so how high should rookie pick for next year be to do this deal - I don't have another way besides trade to get a second starting RB
I'd like that trade with anything from a 2nd onward. If he insists on a 1st see if you can work something else of value onto his side in the negotiations.

 
Non PPR TD heavy

Peterson

For

1.7

2016 2nd (likely late)

 
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Non PPR TD heavy

Peterson

For

1.7

2016 2nd (likely late)
Lol
What side wins? I have AD in a league and that offer would make me think.
Same here... I like the AP side more but circumstances could make this a split.
In any league It's Peterson easy for me.

In a non PPR TD heavy??? wow. Where on Earth do I sign up for a league where I can get AP for pick 7 in a league like that

Hey Dez, in our league together that is PPR, I will give ya pick 4 for Peterson. Deal??

 
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Non PPR TD heavy

Peterson

For

1.7

2016 2nd (likely late)
Peterson, and quite easily.
I agree. I'd very much like to see the logic for which of the players typically available at 1.7 are remotely comparable to AP.
Of course no one at 1.7 is going to be close to Peterson, but if you are rebuilding it makes no sense to keep Peterson. He hurts you twice, one he helps you win games costing you draft spots and he will also likely be retired or useless by time you are competing. I guess if you like to gamble you can try to keep him and get more in season if he is tearing it up, but if he gets hurt you get nothing.

 
Of course no one at 1.7 is going to be close to Peterson, but if you are rebuilding it makes no sense to keep Peterson. He hurts you twice, one he helps you win games costing you draft spots and he will also likely be retired or useless by time you are competing. I guess if you like to gamble you can try to keep him and get more in season if he is tearing it up, but if he gets hurt you get nothing.
Reasonable. If an owner is at the "blow it up and start over" point, then that may be as much as can be had for an older RB. But aside from that very specific circumstance, I don't see it. And even then...could more have been had by holding out longer?

 
Of course no one at 1.7 is going to be close to Peterson, but if you are rebuilding it makes no sense to keep Peterson. He hurts you twice, one he helps you win games costing you draft spots and he will also likely be retired or useless by time you are competing. I guess if you like to gamble you can try to keep him and get more in season if he is tearing it up, but if he gets hurt you get nothing.
The why not just take a 3rd rounder for AP?? it will help your team more down the road right?

There has to be a value cutoff point when selling a player if rebuilding. That deal did not reach that cutoff point, made even worse by the scoring system. AP is probably the favorite to be the #1 scoring RB/WR for the next couple years in a non-PPR TD heavy league.

It's just not enough, and I guarantee you he could have easily done much better than that deal. And if not, who are the dummys in that league who have good teams that are not willing to beat THAT offer??

 
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Of course no one at 1.7 is going to be close to Peterson, but if you are rebuilding it makes no sense to keep Peterson. He hurts you twice, one he helps you win games costing you draft spots and he will also likely be retired or useless by time you are competing. I guess if you like to gamble you can try to keep him and get more in season if he is tearing it up, but if he gets hurt you get nothing.
The why not just take a 3rd rounder for AP?? it will help your team more down the road right?

There has to be a value cutoff point when selling a player if rebuilding. That deal did not reach that cutoff point, made even worse by the scoring system. AP is probably the favorite to be the #1 scoring RB/WR for the next couple years in a non-PPR TD heavy league.

It's just not enough, and I guarantee you he could have easily done much better than that deal. And if not, who are the dummys in that league who have good teams that are not willing to beat THAT offer??
Lol

 
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Of course no one at 1.7 is going to be close to Peterson, but if you are rebuilding it makes no sense to keep Peterson. He hurts you twice, one he helps you win games costing you draft spots and he will also likely be retired or useless by time you are competing. I guess if you like to gamble you can try to keep him and get more in season if he is tearing it up, but if he gets hurt you get nothing.
The why not just take a 3rd rounder for AP?? it will help your team more down the road right?

There has to be a value cutoff point when selling a player if rebuilding. That deal did not reach that cutoff point, made even worse by the scoring system. AP is probably the favorite to be the #1 scoring RB/WR for the next couple years in a non-PPR TD heavy league.

It's just not enough, and I guarantee you he could have easily done much better than that deal. And if not, who are the dummys in that league who have good teams that are not willing to beat THAT offer??

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That is one of those trades where you can't believe you weren't asked to up the offer.

 
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Speaking of LOL, you said Peterson hurts you twice. You seem to be saying it would be better to just CUT him rather than have him screw up your future pick situation.

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Peterson is the most popular 30.5 year old running back in dynasty football history
Agreed. He's proven people wrong before but I think the hype train is getting to be too much for me. I think people's excitement to see him back on the field is clouding judgment. Flame away!
 
Speaking of LOL, you said Peterson hurts you twice. You seem to be saying it would be better to just CUT him rather than have him screw up your future pick situation.

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That's not really what she said.

The value wasn't there on this trade, but what she said was sound logic. If you are in a rebuild with no chance to win getting rid of any older asset with fantasy value helps you on two levels - that obviously doesn't mean you just drop players or give them away but I guess some people lack any nuance in their interpretation skills.

 
Of course no one at 1.7 is going to be close to Peterson, but if you are rebuilding it makes no sense to keep Peterson. He hurts you twice, one he helps you win games costing you draft spots and he will also likely be retired or useless by time you are competing. I guess if you like to gamble you can try to keep him and get more in season if he is tearing it up, but if he gets hurt you get nothing.
The why not just take a 3rd rounder for AP?? it will help your team more down the road right?

There has to be a value cutoff point when selling a player if rebuilding. That deal did not reach that cutoff point, made even worse by the scoring system. AP is probably the favorite to be the #1 scoring RB/WR for the next couple years in a non-PPR TD heavy league.

It's just not enough, and I guarantee you he could have easily done much better than that deal. And if not, who are the dummys in that league who have good teams that are not willing to beat THAT offer??
A point I think you're missing out on is that, at times, people don't shop offers around. If the owner who dealt Peterson is the one who received the offer, he might have just accepted without checking around; if he was the one who sent the offer, maybe he sent numerous offers to teams within the league and this guy is just the one fortunate enough to accept it before the others.

 
Speaking of LOL, you said Peterson hurts you twice. You seem to be saying it would be better to just CUT him rather than have him screw up your future pick situation.

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If you knew for a fact that you wouldn't be a competitor for 2-3 years and you knew for a fact that you would never get an offer for AP, the smart play would absolutely be to drop AP. But things change quickly so you can always compete and someone at some point will make an offer for AP so you wouldn't just cut him.

But, at some point you have to weigh the offers and see what makes sense for you. If you think that it's the best offer that you will get (or close enough to an offer you will get at a later date after you win a few games and hurt your draft position), then you take the offer even if it is a little light.

People can laugh at this all they want but it's the smart play.

 
Spike said:
ghostguy123 said:
msudaisy26 said:
Of course no one at 1.7 is going to be close to Peterson, but if you are rebuilding it makes no sense to keep Peterson. He hurts you twice, one he helps you win games costing you draft spots and he will also likely be retired or useless by time you are competing. I guess if you like to gamble you can try to keep him and get more in season if he is tearing it up, but if he gets hurt you get nothing.
The why not just take a 3rd rounder for AP?? it will help your team more down the road right?

There has to be a value cutoff point when selling a player if rebuilding. That deal did not reach that cutoff point, made even worse by the scoring system. AP is probably the favorite to be the #1 scoring RB/WR for the next couple years in a non-PPR TD heavy league.

It's just not enough, and I guarantee you he could have easily done much better than that deal. And if not, who are the dummys in that league who have good teams that are not willing to beat THAT offer??
A point I think you're missing out on is that, at times, people don't shop offers around. If the owner who dealt Peterson is the one who received the offer, he might have just accepted without checking around; if he was the one who sent the offer, maybe he sent numerous offers to teams within the league and this guy is just the one fortunate enough to accept it before the others.
I am well aware that there are bad owners.

I will automatically assume that if someone does not shop around when trading AP that they are a bad owner.

 
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wakelawyer said:
ghostguy123 said:
Speaking of LOL, you said Peterson hurts you twice. You seem to be saying it would be better to just CUT him rather than have him screw up your future pick situation.

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If you knew for a fact that you wouldn't be a competitor for 2-3 years and you knew for a fact that you would never get an offer for AP, the smart play would absolutely be to drop AP. But things change quickly so you can always compete and someone at some point will make an offer for AP so you wouldn't just cut him.

But, at some point you have to weigh the offers and see what makes sense for you. If you think that it's the best offer that you will get (or close enough to an offer you will get at a later date after you win a few games and hurt your draft position), then you take the offer even if it is a little light.

People can laugh at this all they want but it's the smart play.
Poor value trade = smart play. I suppose I have seen it all now.

Are any of you actually in a league where this is all you could get for Peterson? Again, ESPECIALLY in a non PPR TD heavy league where APs value is much much higher than a normal PPR.

We aren't talking about the strategy of a rebuild here. We are talking about how terrible of a trad that was. But even if you want to incorporate strategy, this is poor strategy, and is always poor strategy, to take the bottom of the barrel value on a high end player.

I still have no idea why I am the only person mentioning the league scoring system. I think this is terrible value for AP in a regular PPR league, let alone the scoring system in that particular league where RBs rise in value by default, especially the ones who score the rushing TDs for their teams.

It's a terrible trade, and one of two things are true. Either this owner is just a bad owner and has no idea how to trade, or the other 10 owners who missed out are also bad owners.

 
wakelawyer said:
ghostguy123 said:
Speaking of LOL, you said Peterson hurts you twice. You seem to be saying it would be better to just CUT him rather than have him screw up your future pick situation.

Love it
If you knew for a fact that you wouldn't be a competitor for 2-3 years and you knew for a fact that you would never get an offer for AP, the smart play would absolutely be to drop AP. But things change quickly so you can always compete and someone at some point will make an offer for AP so you wouldn't just cut him.

But, at some point you have to weigh the offers and see what makes sense for you. If you think that it's the best offer that you will get (or close enough to an offer you will get at a later date after you win a few games and hurt your draft position), then you take the offer even if it is a little light.

People can laugh at this all they want but it's the smart play.
Poor value trade = smart play. I suppose I have seen it all now.

Are any of you actually in a league where this is all you could get for Peterson? Again, ESPECIALLY in a non PPR TD heavy league where APs value is much much higher than a normal PPR.

We aren't talking about the strategy of a rebuild here. We are talking about how terrible of a trad that was. But even if you want to incorporate strategy, this is poor strategy, and is always poor strategy, to take the bottom of the barrel value on a high end player.

I still have no idea why I am the only person mentioning the league scoring system. I think this is terrible value for AP in a regular PPR league, let alone the scoring system in that particular league where RBs rise in value by default, especially the ones who score the rushing TDs for their teams.

It's a terrible trade, and one of two things are true. Either this owner is just a bad owner and has no idea how to trade, or the other 10 owners who missed out are also bad owners.
League dynamics could be completely different. I know I'm in 1 league that "normal" value doesn't mean anything when it comes to some players. I agree AP is inflated due to TD heavy and non-ppr but why not take what you can get? You have no idea what this owner went through to get that offer, or have that one be the only one accepted... I'd say if you remove the "Adrian Peterson" and put in "Player A" then it's pretty good value for a 30+ year old RB on a questionable team (although looking better, but we still don't know). It's not that bad IMO, but it seems like the owner got what he could while he still could. I doubt, even as a contender and missing a RB, I'd offer much more than that in season assuming Peterson is his-self.

 
Busy day today for my team....I actually bought on Arian as well. Should say crazy day instead of busy then eh? I'm Team A in all 3 deals....

12 Team, PPR, 20 man roster, start QB RB RB WR WR TE K D ( or 1RB 3WR / 3RB 1 WR )

Team A trades Kendall Wright/2016 3rd Rd Pick

Team B trades Rashard Jennings

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Team A trades Rashard Jennings

Team B trades Kenny Stills

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Team A trades Tevin Coleman/Markus Wheaton

Team B trades Arian Foster/Phillip Dorsett/2016 2nd Rd Pick

Below is roster. I don't care if Arian comes back after week 10 as I'm just hoping whenever he comes back he's 100% healthy ( or as healthy as Arian can be then deal him or hold as my #3 ) - Figured I wouldn't start Tevin over Bell/Hill ever and was able to add Dorsett which I like bc I have Luck/T.Y. plus grabbed a 2 to add to my war chest of 2016 draft picks.

QB - Andrew Luck / Jay Cutler

RB - Le'Veon Bell / Jeremy Hill / Gio Bernard / Arian Foster / David Johnson / LeGarrette Blount / James White / Stephen Jackson

WR - T.Y. Hilton / Alshon Jeffery / Brandin Cooks / Martavis Bryant / Davante Adams / Phillip Dorsett / Kenny Stills

TE - Jordan Cameron / Delanie Walker / Coby Fleener

No K or D yet ( have till 9/9 to fix that )

1 2016 1st rd pick

5 2016 2nd rd picks

 
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Team A trades Kendall Wright/2016 3rd Rd Pick

Team B trades Rashard Jennings

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Team A trades Rashard Jennings

Team B trades Kenny Stills
I almost never prefer the side getting Wright, but I prefer Wright.

 
Team A trades Tevin Coleman/Markus Wheaton

Team B trades Arian Foster/Phillip Dorsett/2016 2nd Rd Pick
I have Dorsett ahead of Coleman so it looks like you got Foster and a 2nd for Wheaton, who doesn't have much value at all.

 
Team A trades Kendall Wright/2016 3rd Rd Pick

Team B trades Rashard Jennings

_________________________________________

Team A trades Rashard Jennings

Team B trades Kenny Stills
I almost never prefer the side getting Wright, but I prefer Wright.
Yeah honestly I thought another team in my league would jump at Jennings as he has Brown but he had no interest so I then realized a gamble mightve backfired however I saw the team with a wicked lack of rb and he owned Vereen so I offered up RJ for Stills and he took it so I felt redeemed.

 
12 Team PPR 3wr 2rb 1flex

Team A gets DeMarco Murray, Brandin Cooks, and Sammy Watkins

Team B gets Mike Evans and Amari Cooper
Evans and Cooper for me
For me, this is close to a 60/40 split in favor of Evans/Cooper. Don't get me wrong... I do like Sammy. I can see it either way if Team A needs RB.
This was exactly the situation. Team A was RB needy and Team B had excess RBs and needed improvement at WR.

 
12 t ppr

Team A gets D Murray and Hopkins

Team B gets Alf Morris and AJGreen
Fairly balanced, but I think I take Green.

Busy day today for my team....I actually bought on Arian as well. Should say crazy day instead of busy then eh? I'm Team A in all 3 deals....

12 Team, PPR, 20 man roster, start QB RB RB WR WR TE K D ( or 1RB 3WR / 3RB 1 WR )

Team A trades Kendall Wright/2016 3rd Rd Pick

Team B trades Rashard Jennings

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Team A trades Rashard Jennings

Team B trades Kenny Stills
I like the Wright/3rd side of this whether the payout is Jennings or Stills.

 
.5 ppr, qb, RB,rb, WR,wr,wr, te, flex, k, def

Team A trades 1.1 and 2.9 (Todd Guirley and Phillip Dorsett) to

Team B for 1.5 (Periman) , Frank Gore, and A Johnson.

Team A needed a starting RB. Gore had to be released after this year for Team A but team b can keep him indefinitely. Johnson was team A's WR 6. Johnson and Gore will start for team B.

Thoughts?

 
12 Team PPR 3wr 2rb 1flex

Team A gets DeMarco Murray, Brandin Cooks, and Sammy Watkins

Team B gets Mike Evans and Amari Cooper
Evans and Cooper for me
For me, this is close to a 60/40 split in favor of Evans/Cooper. Don't get me wrong... I do like Sammy. I can see it either way if Team A needs RB.
This was exactly the situation. Team A was RB needy and Team B had excess RBs and needed improvement at WR.
It seems pretty fair to me honestly. I have Cooper, Watkins, Cooks all valued very similarly, so it's effectively Cooks + Murray for Evans. I would take that If I needed a RB. If I don't need the RB, I take Evans.
 
Team A trades Kendall Wright/2016 3rd Rd Pick

Team B trades Rashard Jennings

_________________________________________

Team A trades Rashard Jennings

Team B trades Kenny Stills
I almost never prefer the side getting Wright, but I prefer Wright.
Yeah honestly I thought another team in my league would jump at Jennings as he has Brown but he had no interest so I then realized a gamble mightve backfired however I saw the team with a wicked lack of rb and he owned Vereen so I offered up RJ for Stills and he took it so I felt redeemed.
Personally, I wouldnt trade Wright for Stills (which is ultimately what you did, as well as including a 3). Wright is his team's WR1 and should be the top option in the passing game with a blue chip QB prospect now in town. He has played with total garbage at QB since coming into the league, but he came in with a 1st round pedigree, and has definitely shown flashes. I think his arrow is up.

Stills...put up some decent numbers with Drew Brees, but comes in now with a downgrade at QB, and at least 2 WR ahead of him in the pecking order as of today, if not 3 or 4 (Landry, Jennings, Parker...and maybe even Cameron).

I am a Fins fan, and a Wright owner, so my biases go both ways. As a Wright owner, no way I would trade him away for Stills straight up.

ETA - Stills best asset is his elite speed and ability to go deep. Sound like a highly paid WR from Miami who is now in Minnesota after throwing a tantrum because his QB couldnt hit him deep?

 
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Team A trades Kendall Wright/2016 3rd Rd Pick

Team B trades Rashard Jennings

_________________________________________

Team A trades Rashard Jennings

Team B trades Kenny Stills
I almost never prefer the side getting Wright, but I prefer Wright.
Yeah honestly I thought another team in my league would jump at Jennings as he has Brown but he had no interest so I then realized a gamble mightve backfired however I saw the team with a wicked lack of rb and he owned Vereen so I offered up RJ for Stills and he took it so I felt redeemed.
Personally, I wouldnt trade Wright for Stills (which is ultimately what you did, as well as including a 3). Wright is his team's WR1 and should be the top option in the passing game with a blue chip QB prospect now in town. He has played with total garbage at QB since coming into the league, but he came in with a 1st round pedigree, and has definitely shown flashes. I think his arrow is up.Stills...put up some decent numbers with Drew Brees, but comes in now with a downgrade at QB, and at least 2 WR ahead of him in the pecking order as of today, if not 3 or 4 (Landry, Jennings, Parker...and maybe even Cameron).

I am a Fins fan, and a Wright owner, so my biases go both ways. As a Wright owner, no way I would trade him away for Stills straight up.

ETA - Stills best asset is his elite speed and ability to go deep. Sound like a highly paid WR from Miami who is now in Minnesota after throwing a tantrum because his QB couldnt hit him deep?
Agree with your thoughts on Wright v. Stills as players, but I have much more faith in Dolphins offense moving forward. I prefer Stills for that reason. Wright could move on in FA but I just don't see a ton of upside there. As a Dolphin fan, thrilled with Stills add
 
ffac,had an iffy squad for this year and then Foster goes down, sold old guys for future value

gave A Foster, Andre Johnson, Woodhead, R Bush and a 4th

got D Cobb, Ajayi, Langford, and 2 2nd's

 
ffac,had an iffy squad for this year and then Foster goes down, sold old guys for future value

gave A Foster, Andre Johnson, Woodhead, R Bush and a 4th

got D Cobb, Ajayi, Langford, and 2 2nd's
Not a bad haul for players on the downside of their careers. Not thrilled with those particular prospects, but based on adp this translates to about 5 second rd. picks for those players.

 
Team A trades Kendall Wright/2016 3rd Rd Pick

Team B trades Rashard Jennings

_________________________________________

Team A trades Rashard Jennings

Team B trades Kenny Stills
I almost never prefer the side getting Wright, but I prefer Wright.
Yeah honestly I thought another team in my league would jump at Jennings as he has Brown but he had no interest so I then realized a gamble mightve backfired however I saw the team with a wicked lack of rb and he owned Vereen so I offered up RJ for Stills and he took it so I felt redeemed.
Personally, I wouldnt trade Wright for Stills (which is ultimately what you did, as well as including a 3). Wright is his team's WR1 and should be the top option in the passing game with a blue chip QB prospect now in town. He has played with total garbage at QB since coming into the league, but he came in with a 1st round pedigree, and has definitely shown flashes. I think his arrow is up.

Stills...put up some decent numbers with Drew Brees, but comes in now with a downgrade at QB, and at least 2 WR ahead of him in the pecking order as of today, if not 3 or 4 (Landry, Jennings, Parker...and maybe even Cameron).

I am a Fins fan, and a Wright owner, so my biases go both ways. As a Wright owner, no way I would trade him away for Stills straight up.

ETA - Stills best asset is his elite speed and ability to go deep. Sound like a highly paid WR from Miami who is now in Minnesota after throwing a tantrum because his QB couldnt hit him deep?
Yeah in the end game I did give Wright & a 3 for Stills and even agree with your assessment for the most part. I expect more of a 2013 year from Kendall vs the 2014 campaign. I also expect a bump in Miami's offense though which should/hopefully help Stills. I think a small variable for me is my current draft picks. Having 1 1st & 5 2nd rd picks made it ok for me to throw in the 3 which I probably could have got away without doing. Not a Phins fan but I am expecting big things from Tannehill this season and the Sooner in me probably makes me think higher of Stills then most although I try to suppress those feelings. Good take though...

 
12 team PPR FFPC

2016 1st (projected late)

2016 3rd

Fred jackson

For

Lynch

2016 6th
I don't get this trade at all for the guy moving Lynch. If you are getting 2015 picks, then fine. But 2016? He could've easily rode Lynch for a half-season and then moved him for the same or more. Makes no sense to move him now, especially to a team which already projects to draft late in 2016.
 

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