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**Official 2015 Off-Season Dynasty Completed Trades Thread** (1 Viewer)
- Thread starter Dr. Octopus
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VarsityBlues123
Footballguy
The McCoy/Alonso trade in the NFL should be a clear example that not all people agree on a person or players value. I wonder if NFL teams are gonna bounce or call it collusion if they dont like the trade?ghostguy123 said:
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
That's an absurd comparison. There are lots of factors that go into NFL trades (salary, fit in system, locker room personality, etc) that do not exist in fantasy football trades. That's not even to mention that the vast difference in RB value in the NFL vs. fantasy football clouds your perception of how valuable a guy like McCoy is in the NFL compared to how valuable he is in fantasy football.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Allowing for picks 4 rookie drafts away to be traded seems a little dangerous. Has this caused any problems for your league?ex-ghost said:
I'm not ready to give up on Manziel yet but I can see making that trade if you are really short at RB.
Think probably team dealing Miller could have done better than Herron as the other piece in that deal
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Nothing about a trade with actual human beings and salary caps has anything to do with a fantasy football trade. WowVarsityBlues123 said:
ghostguy123
Footballguy
12 team PPR, FFPC
Dez
For
Sammy watkins
greg olsen
3rd rounder
dez easy for me
Dez
For
Sammy watkins
greg olsen
3rd rounder
dez easy for me
One More Rep
Footballguy
Gio pretty easily for me.
The other owner realizes Bradford blew his ACL in back to back years right?
Yeah. The guy getting Bradford only had RG3, Manziel, Hoyer, and RFitz rostered.
In a 2QB league that's tough.
Also doesn't have his first rounder this year :/
Hawkfire
Footballguy
This is the crux of the problem. Let's say it is not collusion. Let's give them the benefit of the doubt. As the commissioner, do I really want a team owner that friggin clueless running a team (as they will continue to run it into the ground till they quit in frustration) and do I really want an owner that is that big of an ##### as to take advantage of the clueless owner? Both ruin my league which eventually dissolves.
This isn't about differences in opinion about player value. This a a shark eating a guppy and it is bad for business.
Hawkfire
Footballguy
If I have Dez and not much else I consider this but would need a 2nd rounder not a 3rd since Olsen is getting older. Not terrible but he did not get full value for Dez.
ILUVBEER99
Footballguy
yup, Dez side but wouldn't be surprised if next offseason Watkins is viewed as/more valuable as Dez.
Hawkfire
Footballguy
I don't care if the only QB on my roster is Jamarcus Russell. He gave up Gio, the number 37 overall dynasty asset for a player not even rostered in many leagues. On THIS website, Gio is between Cam Newton and Russell Wilson on the overall dynasty list. This is trade rape.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
I would be surprised.
He will close the gap, but barring something crazy like injury, I can not see Watkins over Dez next year.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
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Hawkfire
Footballguy
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Knee jerk reaction to Thomas getting cut? Bad idea. And why did Teddy owner have to give the 25 pick too? Salt on the wound. 25 alone would have been closer to fair.
ILUVBEER99
Footballguy
not likely but possible. Watkins is 5 years younger and if he puts up 1,250/10 TD's or something like that the value difference won't be that much. Throw in Dez being a flake and some might prefer Watkins if he puts up those type of numbers this season.
loose circuits
Footballguy
how would Ingram resign from a team when he's a free agent? Also, why would he resign when he's only 26 or so? Wouldn't it make more sense for him to re-sign? Furthermore, if Ingram doesn't resign or re-sign, but they draft Amir Abdullah in the 3rd and someone like "Buck" Allen in the 5th would this still be a good deal?
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Hawkfire
Footballguy
Spend more time on analysis and less on being a tool over a dash in a post. The final value of the trade is not yet determined. On the surface it is a fair trade that each team felt met a need. Robinson's role is expanding, it is just a matter of by how much. The what-if scenario is useless because we don't know who any team is going to draft at this point. Fantasy owners will often trade away a player below maximum value because they are very strong at that position and want to bolster another. To be honest, this trade is not controversial or all that exciting that it needs to be picked apart.
For the previous poster that said that the 26th pick alone is enough, I disagree. You are comparing a roll of the dice rookie pick that is likely to be a career backup to a running back who is on the verge of a larger roll in a productive offense and a young WR. I would not trade Robinson for the 3.1. I think the better take is that Bridgewater for Robinson/Wheaton without the pick might have been fair value.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Bad. Pick 5 this year can probably land you a very late 1st st this year plus a future 1st. Or at least pretty close to that.
This, this is..............bleh
Sabertooth
Footballguy
After the Buffalo Trade:
Bishop Sankey
2016 First rounder
for
Lesean McCoy
Bishop Sankey
2016 First rounder
for
Lesean McCoy
bostonfred
Footballguy
Fairly cheap for mccoy.
One More Rep
Footballguy
JohnnyU
Footballguy
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
The Captain
Footballguy
Non-PPR
Team A gives: 2016 1st rd pick (If Lynch returns it's probably 1.8-1.10 range)
Team B gives: 2015 1.9 pick
Team A gives: 2016 1st rd pick (If Lynch returns it's probably 1.8-1.10 range)
Team B gives: 2015 1.9 pick
I see the point for the team getting the 1.9, but not why someone would trade it for a future pick that does not project to be any better and might be in a weaker draft.
If you are going to trade a current pick for a future pick the future pick needs to project higher. That should be common sense. Even in the thin 2013 draft that had 8 players I viewed as being worth a first round pick, you could have traded a late first for a higher projected first in 2014.
VarsityBlues123
Footballguy
Right, like most people would, which is why I said it makes sense for the team getting the 1.9. Makes zero sense from what I can tell for the team punting on the pick for next year.they want the pick this year instead of next?
For one, thats a whole extra year that the pick will have the value of a 1st round pick. Once the 1.9 is drafted, the rookie drafted in that spot can quickly have a value less than a 1.9. It can also go up of course once the season begins and the rookie flashes something, but there is a risk involved. The future pick is a different asset class and if I want a steady value on my roster, I might take the future projected 1.9 pick over the current 1.9 pick.
A future pick can also be worth more to other trading partners. For example, another team might view that team as a lower projected team. Or, a rebuilding team might prefer a pick in 2016 over a pick in 2015 (I know I usually do in startup years where I punt the 1st year).
Notice too that the 1.8-1.10 projection is if Lynch stays, so there is potential there for an earlier pick.
The Captain
Footballguy
If Lynch retires, next years pick value goes up quite a bit...unless the 1.9 this year nets immediate Lynch-like production.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
There are cases where i would prefer pick 9 in a future year over pick 9 of the current year.
Depends on my roster, assets, and roster sizes. If i have a ton of firsts and plan to draft guys, the future pick could easily be preferable.
Depends on my roster, assets, and roster sizes. If i have a ton of firsts and plan to draft guys, the future pick could easily be preferable.
