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**Official 2015 Off-Season Dynasty Completed Trades Thread** (1 Viewer)

Just went down in a PPR league I'm in (I'm not part of the trade):

Gronkowski, Rob NEP TE

for

Murray, Latavius OAK RB
Seferian-Jenkins, Austin TBB TE
Year 2015 Draft Pick 1.09
Year 2015 Draft Pick 1.10

The team that traded Gronk has been trading all its better players. Frankly, I don't get his motivation.

 
The reality is that the owners in this league are very tight. It's the first rookie draft for the league and many think they're going to get ODB with their 1st and 2nd round picks. Plus, no one wants to move future picks. It's a weak market and I also had Gronk and have a need at a young RB. This gives me a couple of shots plus backfills a bit with Walker. My other league the value of Graham is MUCH higher.
This trade is instantly much worse if you plan to draft a RB at 5

 
Just went down in a PPR league I'm in (I'm not part of the trade):

Gronkowski, Rob NEP TE

for

Murray, Latavius OAK RB

Seferian-Jenkins, Austin TBB TE

Year 2015 Draft Pick 1.09

Year 2015 Draft Pick 1.10

The team that traded Gronk has been trading all its better players. Frankly, I don't get his motivation.
good god

 
Recently made a few trades in 2 different PPR leagues.

Trade 1

Gave: Trent Richardson 2015 rookie pick 2.08

Received: Marshawn Lynch
:shock:
Must've been TRich that traded for himself in that league, kinda like MJD always drafting himself in the first round.. Only explanation.
From his recent comments I think TRich would have made the Lynch side add the 2nd
Yep. Terrible trade. Unbelievable.

 
cstu said:
maxhyde said:
cstu said:
Made another one:

Gave: ADP

Got: CJ Anderson
How?
It got offered to me, may be a Vikings fan.
In some leagues I'd prefer Peterson here. You have to remember that there's quite a bit of risk with CJA. He looked great when given a chance last year but I can't with certainty say that he'll be a workhorse RB or even the lead back. Hillman looked good last year as well and there's been rumblings that Kubiak/Elway may see Ball as the best system fit.

It likely is CJA's job to lose, but with Peterson you know that you're getting a workhorse RB, regardless if he's a Viking or if they trade him. In terms of ADP and rankings this is a small win for the CJA side but it really depends on how much risk you're willing to take on and how important Peterson's age is.

 
cstu said:
maxhyde said:
cstu said:
Made another one:

Gave: ADP

Got: CJ Anderson
How?
It got offered to me, may be a Vikings fan.
In some leagues I'd prefer Peterson here. You have to remember that there's quite a bit of risk with CJA. He looked great when given a chance last year but I can't with certainty say that he'll be a workhorse RB or even the lead back. Hillman looked good last year as well and there's been rumblings that Kubiak/Elway may see Ball as the best system fit.

It likely is CJA's job to lose, but with Peterson you know that you're getting a workhorse RB, regardless if he's a Viking or if they trade him. In terms of ADP and rankings this is a small win for the CJA side but it really depends on how much risk you're willing to take on and how important Peterson's age is.
Peterson has been hurt at the end of seasons and suspended just about all of last year and one strike away from banishment. But CJ is the one with risk?

Also, CJ is clearly better than Hillman and Ball. System fit? The system is Peyton Manning's. I would be surprised if much changes at all. In fact, I would venture to guess nothing changes unless Manning changes something on his own.

Not like I am sitting here saying CJ>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Peterson, but come on. These reasons are blehh

 
After AP's miracle recovery everyone thinks/expects him to just come back and run wild over the league at age 31. Let's not forget how quickly fantasy stud rb's fade, Priest Holmes, Larry Johnson, LT, Shawn Alexander, MJD, the list goes on. So AP outscores CJ for this year, you may get 5 years of production out of CJ and hopefully 2 years out of AP. Granted, you may get 5 years of backup duty, that risk is there, but this seems like a pretty fair trade imo.

 
cstu said:
maxhyde said:
cstu said:
Made another one:

Gave: ADP

Got: CJ Anderson
How?
It got offered to me, may be a Vikings fan.
In some leagues I'd prefer Peterson here. You have to remember that there's quite a bit of risk with CJA. He looked great when given a chance last year but I can't with certainty say that he'll be a workhorse RB or even the lead back. Hillman looked good last year as well and there's been rumblings that Kubiak/Elway may see Ball as the best system fit.

It likely is CJA's job to lose, but with Peterson you know that you're getting a workhorse RB, regardless if he's a Viking or if they trade him. In terms of ADP and rankings this is a small win for the CJA side but it really depends on how much risk you're willing to take on and how important Peterson's age is.
Peterson has been hurt at the end of seasons and suspended just about all of last year and one strike away from banishment. But CJ is the one with risk?

Also, CJ is clearly better than Hillman and Ball. System fit? The system is Peyton Manning's. I would be surprised if much changes at all. In fact, I would venture to guess nothing changes unless Manning changes something on his own.

Not like I am sitting here saying CJ>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Peterson, but come on. These reasons are blehh
You're simplifying the argument and you seem to have a lot of recency bias on these players.

I don't see any reason to label Peterson as injury-prone, particularly with rested legs after sitting out a season. Injuries are going to happen to RBs but that's just the nature of the game/position. It's not like Peterson was popped for a DUI or smoking weed. I think the likelihood of the same type of occurrence happening again with Peterson is pretty small. I'd be much more worried if he had been suspended for substance-abuse or using PEDs, or hitting his wife/girlfriend.

Obviously they will maintain some of the elements that Peyton prefers, but Kubiak has a very defined offensive philosophy so it will clearly be a new system in place. To say anything different shows a poor understanding of blocking and running game concepts. Gase's system developed into more gap schemes and some power plays with occasional zone-blocking plays. I'm not saying that the Kubiak scheme is bad news for CJA, but Ball's college background is zone-blocking so it's a great fit for him. It fits a powerful one-cut and go RB which both CJA and Ball are, but Ball certainly has more experience in this type of system.

I like CJA and he might be a monster next season, but the problem is that his current market value already has workhorse back built into the price, and I think it is a risky investment considering all the young unproven RBs that used to be top 10 dynasty RBs a year or two ago but disappeared totally off the grid. CJA is currently going 39 overall and Ball is going 155 overall. You have to be very confident in CJA's position on the depth chart to pay that kind of price for him. Ball had so many injury troubles last year, between his appendectomy and groin injuries, so you can't judge his talent purely based on what he did last year - he looked pretty good when he was backing up Knowshon the year before. Here's what Elway said a few weeks ago:

I still think that Montee’s a very good running back and it’s just a matter of getting him in the right spot, right position, have him be healthy, have him get some confidence. In this offense we’re going to use more than one back and I believe that Montee can be very helpful to the football team and do good things for us.”

I can understand that people want to invest in CJA because of the tremendous potential upside if it works out, but in my win now leagues I'd rather have ADP and lowball an offer for Montee Ball.

 
I don't see any reason to label Peterson as injury-prone

I never came anywhere close to calling Peterson injury prone.

Obviously they will maintain some of the elements that Peyton prefers, but Kubiak has a very defined offensive philosophy so it will clearly be a new system in place.

Not possible for me to agree with this. Tweaks here and there sure. Total new system? No chance

You have to be very confident in CJA's position on the depth chart to pay that kind of price for him.

Ball looked pretty terrible, and I didn't think he was all that good coming into the league anyway. So, since I didn't think he was all that good before he entered the league, and I don't think he looked good at all when he played, I am pretty comfortable saying that I don't think he is very good and that CJ is pretty obviously ahead of him.

I still think that Montee’s a very good running back and it’s just a matter of getting him in the right spot, right position, have him be healthy, have him get some confidence. In this offense we’re going to use more than one back and I believe that Montee can be very helpful to the football team and do good things for us.”

Look up "coach speak". What, you want him to say Ball sucks and he should retire? I remember a coach saying similar things about Trent Richardson in the middle of his historically bad play.
Again, I am not sitting here saying I clearly take CJ over AP. I am just completely disagreeing with your entire reasoning for clearly taking AP over CJ.

On the flip side, I don't like some people's logic comparing AP to other 30-31 year old RBs who fell off the map. Most (really all) of those guys are not in the same league as AP regarding physical ability and pure freakishness.

 
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I don't see any reason to label Peterson as injury-prone

I never came anywhere close to calling Peterson injury prone.

Obviously they will maintain some of the elements that Peyton prefers, but Kubiak has a very defined offensive philosophy so it will clearly be a new system in place.

Not possible for me to agree with this. Tweaks here and there sure. Total new system? No chance

You have to be very confident in CJA's position on the depth chart to pay that kind of price for him.

Ball looked pretty terrible, and I didn't think he was all that good coming into the league anyway. So, since I didn't think he was all that good before he entered the league, and I don't think he looked good at all when he played, I am pretty comfortable saying that I don't think he is very good and that CJ is pretty obviously ahead of him.

I still think that Montee’s a very good running back and it’s just a matter of getting him in the right spot, right position, have him be healthy, have him get some confidence. In this offense we’re going to use more than one back and I believe that Montee can be very helpful to the football team and do good things for us.”

Look up "coach speak". What, you want him to say Ball sucks and he should retire? I remember a coach saying similar things about Trent Richardson in the middle of his historically bad play.
Again, I am not sitting here saying I clearly take CJ over AP. I am just completely disagreeing with your entire reasoning for clearly taking AP over CJ.

On the flip side, I don't like some people's logic comparing AP to other 30-31 year old RBs who fell off the map. Most of those guys in the same league as AP regarding physical ability and pure freakishness.
You brought up Peterson's injuries towards the end of seasons as a factor in him carrying just as much risk as Ball. Rhetorical question; what was your point if you weren't trying to say that he is injury prone?

As for their system I'm sure they'll stick with some of the typical Peyton route combinations like mesh, levels and verticals, it would be stupid not to, but that has little to do with them changing their run blocking scheme. I don't understand why you think their run blocking scheme will stay the same because of Peyton. Last time I checked Peyton didn't play o-line or RB.

In any case; their ADP isn't vastly different so I don't think there is a big argument to be made that CJA or Peterson is a vastly superior option compared to the other, but if someone invests in CJA without considering the risk that he might not be the leadback or that he might end up being part of a committee you better be a good judge of talent.

 
You brought up Peterson's injuries towards the end of seasons as a factor in him carrying just as much risk as Ball. Rhetorical question; what was your point if you weren't trying to say that he is injury prone?
I didn't even say that was a factor. I just said he wasn't without risk. Everyone has risk. Everyone. Obviously.

 
but if someone invests in CJA without considering the risk that he might not be the leadback or that he might end up being part of a committee you better be a good judge of talent.
I dont see that as any more of a risk than AP getting hurt/suspended.

So CJ did great with Peyton last year, so yeah, they will just change up the running scheme completely. :wall:

I suppose they COULD. Anything is possible. It was just be stupid to do so. I trust Kubiak to not be a total moron. If he wants to implement all new stuff fine, but he can wait a year or so for that, and pretty sure he knows it.

Then again maybe he is some ego maniac who will come in and try and totally change a historic offense who only faltered a bit late in the year when Peyton was hurt and struggling. Like I said, anything is possible.

 
but if someone invests in CJA without considering the risk that he might not be the leadback or that he might end up being part of a committee you better be a good judge of talent.
I dont see that as any more of a risk than AP getting hurt/suspended.

So CJ did great with Peyton last year, so yeah, they will just change up the running scheme completely. :wall:

I suppose they COULD. Anything is possible. It was just be stupid to do so. I trust Kubiak to not be a total moron. If he wants to implement all new stuff fine, but he can wait a year or so for that, and pretty sure he knows it.

Then again maybe he is some ego maniac who will come in and try and totally change a historic offense who only faltered a bit late in the year when Peyton was hurt and struggling. Like I said, anything is possible.
I understand that you're trying to "win" a discussion here, but I don't want to turn this thread into a pedantic argument where we misconstrue each others words. Obviously there is risk with any player, and CJA could also get injured. What CJA has, that Peterson doesn't have, is a risk of not being used as a workhorse back.

Kubiak has been running his zone-blocking scheme with great success in several places and with so many different players. That is who he is as a coach. If you think he's going to move away from that in Denver then please feel free to believe that. I think it's rather obvious that they will be more balanced this season and you'll obviously see the influence of Kubiak. They've basically come out and said all this already.

To say that a Peyton offense is simply a Peyton offense is a very rudimentary understanding of the tactical aspect of football. With Gase you could see his pedigree through the Air Coryell vertical concepts (Mike Martz) and west coast spacing concepts (Steve Mariucci), mixed with the typical route combinations that has defined Peyton's career. What Peyton primarily brings is pre-snap adjustments and coverage recognition that is on another level, and great execution through precise anticipation and ball placement. If you think the head coach and OC doesn't impact the offensive system then I don't really know what to tell you.

Sorry to clutter the thread, guys. I'll let everyone get back to trades again.

 
A few trades in a 32 team salary cap league recently:

1. Matt Ryan for RG3, cousins, Corey Washington. Roughly $5k in space to the team gaining RG3

2. I gave 2016 4th and 5th for Brian Robison and Greg toler. Not much of a cap difference

3. I gave toler, bw3 (Titans cb) for Demarcus Lawrence, 5th. Again not much of a cap difference.

4. I gave charles clay for charles sims. Sims is $5k less than clay

In this league you can probably expect a startable idp for $5k but not a stud, for offense you're probably looking at a guy like nicks or stevie johnson.

 
Ppr, must start 1 RB can start 2 max. 12 team, deep, QRWWWTFF

Team A gets John Brown, Tali (owns forsett)

team B gets Alf

 
Ppr, must start 1 RB can start 2 max. 12 team, deep, QRWWWTFF

Team A gets John Brown, Tali (owns forsett)

team B gets Alf
prefer Alf but understand if others like Brown in that setup.
I was alf side. For reference here are my other backs;

Knile, Ivory, Fjax, Latavius, sankey, asiata

And my Wr-

DT, Jordy, Mike Floyd, Cruz, Charles Johnson, Latimer, Marquess Wilson, hurns, Andre Holmes

I felt like i could get away from brown to make my team better, same with Tali. I am going to grab at least one RB in the rookie draft

 
bostonfred said:
Tybeeman said:
Trade 2

Gave: Matt Forte/Ka'Deem Carey/Jordan Matthews

Received: LeVeon Bell/2015 rookie pick 5.03
I'll never understand the fifth round pick in these deals.
There are certain owners that even when they are getting a nice deal always feel they need to squeeze out a little more. It's like a sickness.

 
16tm TE Prem 1QB 2RB 2WR 1TE 2OFLX 1DL 2LB 1DB 2DFLX

Not involved

Team A gets Gio, Andre Johnson, Jurrell Casey

Team B gets Torrey Smith, 2.05, 3.05

Team A earned the 1.02 this past season, but has managed to somehow trade for Charles, Watt, Alshon, and now Gio&Andre. Also acquired Ball and Martin in other trades.

Team B earned the 1.15 and looked like a contender again before moving Gio&Andre w/ Dez, Murray, Miller, Sammy, Bennett, Donnell

 
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16tm TE Prem 1QB 2RB 2WR 1TE 2OFLX 1DL 2LB 1DB 2DFLX

Not involved

Team A gets Gio, Andre Johnson, Jurrell Casey

Team B gets Torrey Smith, 2.05, 3.05

Team A earned the 1.02 this past season, but has managed to somehow trade for Charles, Watt, Alshon, and now Gio&Andre. Also acquired Ball and Martin in other trades.

Team B earned the 1.15 and looked like a contender again w/ Dez, Murray, Miller, Sammy, Bennett, Donnell to go w/ Gio & Andre.
If A looks like a contender, I like it for him.

Regardless I like it for B.

 
cstu said:
maxhyde said:
cstu said:
Made another one:

Gave: ADP

Got: CJ Anderson
How?
It got offered to me, may be a Vikings fan.
Good deal...can't argue with deals offered to you
Doesn't seem that strange to me. While not the "consensus" view, owners rating the aging freak of nature Adrian Peterson over CJ Anderson are not all that uncommon.
Yeah I don't even like CJ Anderson that much so I can totally see the other side...value-wise I take your side but AP is probably as useful for as long

 
I don't see any reason to label Peterson as injury-prone

I never came anywhere close to calling Peterson injury prone.

Obviously they will maintain some of the elements that Peyton prefers, but Kubiak has a very defined offensive philosophy so it will clearly be a new system in place.

Not possible for me to agree with this. Tweaks here and there sure. Total new system? No chance

You have to be very confident in CJA's position on the depth chart to pay that kind of price for him.

Ball looked pretty terrible, and I didn't think he was all that good coming into the league anyway. So, since I didn't think he was all that good before he entered the league, and I don't think he looked good at all when he played, I am pretty comfortable saying that I don't think he is very good and that CJ is pretty obviously ahead of him.

I still think that Montee’s a very good running back and it’s just a matter of getting him in the right spot, right position, have him be healthy, have him get some confidence. In this offense we’re going to use more than one back and I believe that Montee can be very helpful to the football team and do good things for us.”

Look up "coach speak". What, you want him to say Ball sucks and he should retire? I remember a coach saying similar things about Trent Richardson in the middle of his historically bad play.
Again, I am not sitting here saying I clearly take CJ over AP. I am just completely disagreeing with your entire reasoning for clearly taking AP over CJ.

On the flip side, I don't like some people's logic comparing AP to other 30-31 year old RBs who fell off the map. Most (really all) of those guys are not in the same league as AP regarding physical ability and pure freakishness.
Is there a real argument here? Louche never said he would clearly take AP over CJ, but you continue to argue against him when you yourself wouldn't clearly take CJ. When it gets down to it, you probably both agree on a number of points.

 
12 team superflex league w/full IDP

QRRWWWTFFK-DLx3 LBx4 DBx3

Calvin Johnson

Julius Thomas

2.10

3.04

2016 1st Round Pick (likely 9-12)

for

Antonio Brown

Charles Clay

2.02

2016 2nd round pick (likely 1-6)

 
12 team superflex league w/full IDP

QRRWWWTFFK-DLx3 LBx4 DBx3

Calvin Johnson

Julius Thomas

2.10

3.04

2016 1st Round Pick (likely 9-12)

for

Antonio Brown

Charles Clay

2.02

2016 2nd round pick (likely 1-6)
think I'd take Brown/Clay but about as fair as they can come. The picks are almost a wash.

Brown by a solid margin
Don't like Calvin or what? Brown did better this year of course but many would still consider Calvin to be the #1 WR or at least in that tier.

 
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12 team superflex league w/full IDP

QRRWWWTFFK-DLx3 LBx4 DBx3

Calvin Johnson

Julius Thomas

2.10

3.04

2016 1st Round Pick (likely 9-12)

for

Antonio Brown

Charles Clay

2.02

2016 2nd round pick (likely 1-6)
Only a 3 year difference between Calvin and Antonio. Give me the Megatron super meal.

 
Zealots Field league (PPR)

I traded:

Ryan Tannehill, QB, MIA

for:

Robert Quinn, DE, STL

Bobby Wagner, LB, SEA

Starting lineup requirements is 1QB/1RB/3WR/1TE/3Flex (only 2 of which can be RB) for offense; 3DL/3LB/3DB (no flex) for defense. Scoring definitely favors offense.

Tannehill was my QB3 (behind Luck and Brady). Quinn becomes my top DL and Wagner becomes my LB2 (behind Keuchly).
My team made another trade today in this same league.

I traded:

Lance Dunbar, RB, DAL

Mike Wallace, WR, MIN

Whitney Mercilus, LB, HOU

I received:

Frank Gore, RB, IND

Vincent Jackson, WR, TB

I initially was offered Jackson and Benny Cunningham for Wallace; while I could definitely use RBs, I don't really need WRs.

My RBs - Helu, Riddick, Spiller, Vereen and Andre Williams (can start 1-3 RBs)

My WRs - Beckham, Boldin, Bowe, Edelman, Evans, Green, Megatron and Julio Jones (can start 3-5 WRs)

I decided to do this because even if I only get 1 or 2 seasons of RB2 production from Gore, it'll be better than what I've been getting at the position; as for Wallace, he never made it in my lineup so swapping him for VJax doesn't hurt me.
I flipped my Vincent Jackson acquisition (from above) as follows:

Traded:

Vincent Jackson, WR, TB

my 2016 2nd round rookie pick (I was the league champion this year)

for

His 2016 1st round rookie pick (he finished 6-7 this past season but had the 3rd lowest number of points scored)

VJax would have been my 6th or 7th top WR, so no loss there. (I do feel he could have a resurgent year this year with Winson, but that's beside the point.)

 
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Spike said:
Zealots Field league (PPR)

I traded:

Ryan Tannehill, QB, MIA

for:

Robert Quinn, DE, STL

Bobby Wagner, LB, SEA

Starting lineup requirements is 1QB/1RB/3WR/1TE/3Flex (only 2 of which can be RB) for offense; 3DL/3LB/3DB (no flex) for defense. Scoring definitely favors offense.

Tannehill was my QB3 (behind Luck and Brady). Quinn becomes my top DL and Wagner becomes my LB2 (behind Keuchly).
My team made another trade today in this same league.

I traded:

Lance Dunbar, RB, DAL

Mike Wallace, WR, MIN

Whitney Mercilus, LB, HOU

I received:

Frank Gore, RB, IND

Vincent Jackson, WR, TB

I initially was offered Jackson and Benny Cunningham for Wallace; while I could definitely use RBs, I don't really need WRs.

My RBs - Helu, Riddick, Spiller, Vereen and Andre Williams (can start 1-3 RBs)

My WRs - Beckham, Boldin, Bowe, Edelman, Evans, Green, Megatron and Julio Jones (can start 3-5 WRs)

I decided to do this because even if I only get 1 or 2 seasons of RB2 production from Gore, it'll be better than what I've been getting at the position; as for Wallace, he never made it in my lineup so swapping him for VJax doesn't hurt me.
I flipped my Vincent Jackson acquisition (from above) as follows:

Traded:

Vincent Jackson, WR, TB

my 2016 2nd round rookie pick (I was the league champion this year)

for

His 2016 1st round rookie pick (he finished 6-7 this past season but had the 3rd lowest number of points scored)

VJax would have been my 6th or 7th top WR, so no loss there. (I do feel he could have a resurgent year this year with Winson, but that's beside the point.)
Good move. I would take the 1st too

 
12 team superflex league w/full IDP

QRRWWWTFFK-DLx3 LBx4 DBx3

Calvin Johnson

Julius Thomas

2.10

3.04

2016 1st Round Pick (likely 9-12)

for

Antonio Brown

Charles Clay

2.02

2016 2nd round pick (likely 1-6)
this trade a year ago might have made the worst dynasty offer thread. i think it's pretty even now and could go either way

 
bostonfred said:
Trade 2

Gave: Matt Forte/Ka'Deem Carey/Jordan Matthews

Received: LeVeon Bell/2015 rookie pick 5.03
I'll never understand the fifth round pick in these deals.
There are certain owners that even when they are getting a nice deal always feel they need to squeeze out a little more. It's like a sickness.
I am in 3 different Dynasty leagues, and in all of them the draft is spread out over the summer. In one of them the 4th round is a week or so after training camp starts, and the 5th round is held after the last preseason game and before week 1 game. It helps keep owners involved all summer. I often try to get 4.1 and 5.1 because you never know what injuries or sleepers are going to pop up.

 
12 team PPR superflex (pre-NO-MIA trade)

Gave: Kelce, Charles Johnson, Kenny Stills,2.12

Got: Cooks, Ebron, 3.06
Kelce pretty easily here for me. Not a Cooks fan and I like Kelce more than Ebron so it's an easy choice. I hate almost any deal for the side receiving Cooks.

 
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10 team 1 QB 2 RB 3 WR 1 TE 1 K 1 D non ppr

Gave J Graham, 2015 3.03 and 2016 2nd (should be early to mid)

Got Michael Floyd and Allen Robinson

Have Kelce still at TE and needed WR help (A Brown, S Watkins, D Adams, E Decker, Latimer, John Brown, Crabtree, C Patterson )

 
10 team 1 QB 2 RB 3 WR 1 TE 1 K 1 D non ppr

Gave J Graham, 2015 3.03 and 2016 2nd (should be early to mid)

Got Michael Floyd and Allen Robinson

Have Kelce still at TE and needed WR help (A Brown, S Watkins, D Adams, E Decker, Latimer, John Brown, Crabtree, C Patterson )
If Palmer comes back healthy and decent, it isn't the worst trade, but I think you could have gotten more for Graham. Picks should've been on the other side for sure.

 

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