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**Official 2015 Off-Season Dynasty Completed Trades Thread** (4 Viewers)

Looks like Jordy Nelson might be the most overvalued player in dynasty right now. And he isn't 29, he is 30. 30 when the season starts, so he is 30. No idea how it can be looked at any other way. What, does his value go down on his 30th birthday, meaning you value him more right now?? i sure hope not. That's just silly.

Cooks, based on his ADP, can probably be traded for a top 3 pick.

Pick 1 can pretty easily be traded for a couple fairly early 1sts in most leagues, say picks 4 and 5.

Either can be traded straight up for a really good and valuable player.

I can't fathom even considering trading both for Nelson. Not when I know I can get a better/younger/more valuable player than Nelson for the same package.

Looks some some are commanding 2012 Calvin type stud package for him.

I can understand someone deciding to send pick 1 for Nelson. I wouldnt fault someone too much. Adding Cooks just makes it a very bad trade.
Let me re-focus this a touch on Cooks. Would you pay a top 3 pick for him? I would not. Secondly and different but sort of relevant, I am also not the type of trader who acquires guys like Cooks for the sole purpose of working the phones enough to flip him for other value. I pick my spots and go for certain players I want. I maybe losing out some value in the long run but that is how I operate.
I would offer a top 3 pick for him
I think most full PPR leagues you can get a top 5. Based on DLF ADP he's worth 1.2 but that will change once rookies get teams. He's worth a lot no matter how you phrase it.

 
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Looks like Jordy Nelson might be the most overvalued player in dynasty right now. And he isn't 29, he is 30. 30 when the season starts, so he is 30. No idea how it can be looked at any other way. What, does his value go down on his 30th birthday, meaning you value him more right now?? i sure hope not. That's just silly.

Cooks, based on his ADP, can probably be traded for a top 3 pick.

Pick 1 can pretty easily be traded for a couple fairly early 1sts in most leagues, say picks 4 and 5.

Either can be traded straight up for a really good and valuable player.

I can't fathom even considering trading both for Nelson. Not when I know I can get a better/younger/more valuable player than Nelson for the same package.

Looks some some are commanding 2012 Calvin type stud package for him.

I can understand someone deciding to send pick 1 for Nelson. I wouldnt fault someone too much. Adding Cooks just makes it a very bad trade.
Let me re-focus this a touch on Cooks. Would you pay a top 3 pick for him? I would not. Secondly and different but sort of relevant, I am also not the type of trader who acquires guys like Cooks for the sole purpose of working the phones enough to flip him for other value. I pick my spots and go for certain players I want. I maybe losing out some value in the long run but that is how I operate.
If you did, you would have a better team. More value = more ability to get the players you want

 
. But at some point, you have to take value when it comes your way.
This x 100

Jordy Nelson helps my team for than seven 2016 1sts, but guess what..........................I would have to go ahead and deal Jordy for that.

Recency bias is just skyrocketing Nelson's value right now.

 
. But at some point, you have to take value when it comes your way.
This x 100

Jordy Nelson helps my team for than seven 2016 1sts, but guess what..........................I would have to go ahead and deal Jordy for that.

Recency bias is just skyrocketing Nelson's value right now.
It's not recency bias. The guy has been real good for a couple years running. Yes or no on 1.3 for Cooks? BTW, I wasn't even involved in the deal but I appreciate the conversation.
 
. But at some point, you have to take value when it comes your way.
This x 100

Jordy Nelson helps my team for than seven 2016 1sts, but guess what..........................I would have to go ahead and deal Jordy for that.

Recency bias is just skyrocketing Nelson's value right now.
It's not recency bias. The guy has been real good for a couple years running. Yes or no on 1.3 for Cooks? BTW, I wasn't even involved in the deal but I appreciate the conversation.
I'm a definite no on Cooks for 1.03, I think he's being hyped too much. But I expect in most leagues, there are multiple people who value him there, especially as long as New Orleans hasn't acquired or drafted another legitimate WR. I think a lot of his perceived value right now is that he's Brees's "only" target. He's a promising rookie besides that, but that's why people are willing to give up top 3 rookie picks for him imo.

 
. But at some point, you have to take value when it comes your way.
This x 100

Jordy Nelson helps my team for than seven 2016 1sts, but guess what..........................I would have to go ahead and deal Jordy for that.

Recency bias is just skyrocketing Nelson's value right now.
It's not recency bias. The guy has been real good for a couple years running. Yes or no on 1.3 for Cooks? BTW, I wasn't even involved in the deal but I appreciate the conversation.
I am actually lower on Cooks that pretty much anyone else, but pick 3 would be right about where I put him. He has talent, he has Brees, and he has opportunity.

Yes, recency bias. He has been good for a couple years running, and he is 30. He had spurts before that, but spent time underperforming and/or injured till he was 28.

Nelson is awesome. I am trying to trade for him in every league where I do not own him. However, I am willing to give HALF, or even less, than the sum of Cooks/pick 1.

I have a guy who would deal him to me for two 2016 1sts (one of which is 100% guaranteed to be pretty high). That is a HECK of a lot less than pick 1 and Cooks, and even that I am apprehensive about cause those picks value will dwarf nelson's value at this time next year, even is he scores 300 again

 
I'm a definite no on Cooks for 1.03, I think he's being hyped too much. But I expect in most leagues, there are multiple people who value him there, especially as long as New Orleans hasn't acquired or drafted another legitimate WR. I think a lot of his perceived value right now is that he's Brees's "only" target. He's a promising rookie besides that, but that's why people are willing to give up top 3 rookie picks for him imo.
He was a pretty high pick in just about every PPR draft last year, looked good when he played, and has opportunity. If his value only SLIGHTLY went up, that puts him right near pick 3.

In my two current FFPC leagues, last year he was drafted at pick 3 in one and pick 5 in the other.

Did he lose value??

 
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I'm a definite no on Cooks for 1.03, I think he's being hyped too much. But I expect in most leagues, there are multiple people who value him there, especially as long as New Orleans hasn't acquired or drafted another legitimate WR. I think a lot of his perceived value right now is that he's Brees's "only" target. He's a promising rookie besides that, but that's why people are willing to give up top 3 rookie picks for him imo.
He was a pretty high pick in just about every PPR draft last year, looked good when he played, and has opportunity. If his value only SLIGHTLY went up, that puts him right near pick 3.

In my two current FFPC leagues, last year he was drafted at pick 3 in one and pick 5 in the other.

Did he lose value??
Sure. Brees looks to be starting his decline, the Saints are going through what could turn into a huge upheaval, Cooks will be facing a lot more defensive pressure without Graham, the Saints' run game might become more featured, etc etc. A bunch of the 2014 rookies shined more than him anyway, so I'd expect he wouldn't go 1.03 or 1.05 if people could re-do the draft now, right? I still think he'll be decent to good, especially in full PPR, I'm just not as high on him as some of you other guys are. I think a lot of his perceived value is based on his situation, and I'm not sure it's actually as good a situation as "Brees' main WR" looks like. But we'll see, I could be too low on him. I'd still super easily deal Jordy for him and the 1.01, but I'd look to sell on Cooks before New Orleans brings in another WR and dampens Cooks' perceived value a little.

 
Team A gives: Eddie Lacy

Team B gives: 1.05 & 1.06

I was not involved and think this is an overpay for Lacy, but Team B had a huge need at RB.

 
Team A gives: Eddie Lacy

Team B gives: 1.05 & 1.06

I was not involved and think this is an overpay for Lacy, but Team B had a huge need at RB.
Cheap for Lacy. Give me the 24 year old, three down RB on a fantastic offense, all day. He's easily my number 2 dynasty RB and I don't think the gap between him and Bell is as huge as the difference between what it costs to buy each one.

 
Team A gives: Eddie Lacy

Team B gives: 1.05 & 1.06

I was not involved and think this is an overpay for Lacy, but Team B had a huge need at RB.
he was traded early last season in a league im in, while he was slow to produce for the (what ended up being) 1.04 straight up. I thought it was a steal for the lacy side, the guy trading for lacy projected himself to finish mid pack, 6-9 range. I still dont think its an overpay

 
Ppr league.

Gave - Landry

Received - Gio

I had them ranked neck and neck, but with Julio, Calvin, Hilton, Alshon, Edelman, and Torrey already at WR and just Murray and Vereen as decent RB options, I went ahead and did the deal.

 
solorca said:
Ppr league.

Gave - Landry

Received - Gio

I had them ranked neck and neck, but with Julio, Calvin, Hilton, Alshon, Edelman, and Torrey already at WR and just Murray and Vereen as decent RB options, I went ahead and did the deal.
Gio

 
solorca said:
Ppr league.

Gave - Landry

Received - Gio

I had them ranked neck and neck, but with Julio, Calvin, Hilton, Alshon, Edelman, and Torrey already at WR and just Murray and Vereen as decent RB options, I went ahead and did the deal.
Gio
I must be totally missing the boat on Landy. Seems he is valued rather high by a ton of people.

 
Team A:

Drew Brees

Justin Forsett

Frank Gore

Brandin Cooks

Marvin Jones

Richard Rogers

Team B:

Bishop Sankey

CJ Spiller

Andre Williams

Larry Fitzgerald

Andre Johnson

Cordarelle Patterson

Jace Amaro

2.08

3.08

 
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. But at some point, you have to take value when it comes your way.
This x 100

Jordy Nelson helps my team for than seven 2016 1sts, but guess what..........................I would have to go ahead and deal Jordy for that.

Recency bias is just skyrocketing Nelson's value right now.
It's not recency bias. The guy has been real good for a couple years running. Yes or no on 1.3 for Cooks? BTW, I wasn't even involved in the deal but I appreciate the conversation.
I am actually lower on Cooks that pretty much anyone else, but pick 3 would be right about where I put him. He has talent, he has Brees, and he has opportunity.

Yes, recency bias. He has been good for a couple years running, and he is 30. He had spurts before that, but spent time underperforming and/or injured till he was 28.

Nelson is awesome. I am trying to trade for him in every league where I do not own him. However, I am willing to give HALF, or even less, than the sum of Cooks/pick 1.

I have a guy who would deal him to me for two 2016 1sts (one of which is 100% guaranteed to be pretty high). That is a HECK of a lot less than pick 1 and Cooks, and even that I am apprehensive about cause those picks value will dwarf nelson's value at this time next year, even is he scores 300 again
That's where we disagree. I'd gladly give up cooks for Nelson unless I'm rebuilding.wouldn't give 1.01 for him.

I also wouldn't give pick 3 for cooks. He did fairly well when he played but not enough to raise his value to a top 3 pick. maybe in a league that severely devalues rb - as you could argue for him over white, but not in most leagues.

Eta: I guess it depends where he went last year. In one of my leagues he was pick 3 so he's probably still worth that. In another he was pick 7 (32 teams with up to 4 rb starting) and he isn't worth it there.

 
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Looks like Jordy Nelson might be the most overvalued player in dynasty right now. And he isn't 29, he is 30. 30 when the season starts, so he is 30. No idea how it can be looked at any other way. What, does his value go down on his 30th birthday, meaning you value him more right now?? i sure hope not. That's just silly.

Cooks, based on his ADP, can probably be traded for a top 3 pick.

Pick 1 can pretty easily be traded for a couple fairly early 1sts in most leagues, say picks 4 and 5.

Either can be traded straight up for a really good and valuable player.

I can't fathom even considering trading both for Nelson. Not when I know I can get a better/younger/more valuable player than Nelson for the same package.

Looks some some are commanding 2012 Calvin type stud package for him.

I can understand someone deciding to send pick 1 for Nelson. I wouldnt fault someone too much. Adding Cooks just makes it a very bad trade.
Let me re-focus this a touch on Cooks. Would you pay a top 3 pick for him? I would not. Secondly and different but sort of relevant, I am also not the type of trader who acquires guys like Cooks for the sole purpose of working the phones enough to flip him for other value. I pick my spots and go for certain players I want. I maybe losing out some value in the long run but that is how I operate.
If you did, you would have a better team. More value = more ability to get the players you want
more value to get those players does not equal to more points. while value gets you the players you want maybe the player he wanted was nelson.

 
Idp (obviously)

Gave Duron Carter, d poe, perry Riley

got Paul Worrilow
Smart move getting rid of Worrilow while his value is high. He is one of those LB's, that Altanta would love to replace but nothing has gone right. One of the worst pFF scores from a year ago. Guy is a liability.
As is frequently the case in IDP, a liability they can't replace is exactly what you want. They will keep running at him, he'll keep making a ton of tackles 6 yards down the field, and you'll keep racking up fantasy points. Miles Burris is another great example.
Exactly. This was very much a short term move. He should be a good ff lb while not being a good nfl lb. Long term he won't have a job without improving but for 2015 I think he'll do well.
FWIW, followed this up by sending a 6th (pick 91) and Worrilow for EJ Manuel and Ez Ansah. My DEs last year were Ware and Mario; with the possibility of them moving to OLB a new DE was needed, plus they're getting old. LBs generally outscore DEs by a lot in this format.

 
. But at some point, you have to take value when it comes your way.
This x 100

Jordy Nelson helps my team for than seven 2016 1sts, but guess what..........................I would have to go ahead and deal Jordy for that.

Recency bias is just skyrocketing Nelson's value right now.
It's not recency bias. The guy has been real good for a couple years running. Yes or no on 1.3 for Cooks? BTW, I wasn't even involved in the deal but I appreciate the conversation.
I am actually lower on Cooks that pretty much anyone else, but pick 3 would be right about where I put him. He has talent, he has Brees, and he has opportunity.
You just contradicted yourself in the span of one sentence :)

 
solorca said:
Ppr league.

Gave - Landry

Received - Gio

I had them ranked neck and neck, but with Julio, Calvin, Hilton, Alshon, Edelman, and Torrey already at WR and just Murray and Vereen as decent RB options, I went ahead and did the deal.
Gio

 
. But at some point, you have to take value when it comes your way.
This x 100

Jordy Nelson helps my team for than seven 2016 1sts, but guess what..........................I would have to go ahead and deal Jordy for that.

Recency bias is just skyrocketing Nelson's value right now.
It's not recency bias. The guy has been real good for a couple years running. Yes or no on 1.3 for Cooks? BTW, I wasn't even involved in the deal but I appreciate the conversation.
I am actually lower on Cooks that pretty much anyone else, but pick 3 would be right about where I put him. He has talent, he has Brees, and he has opportunity.
You just contradicted yourself in the span of one sentence :)
Not really. I just didn't explain it in further detail. I would be looking to move Cooks anywhere I have him because I know the majority of people value him higher than I do.

I value him at pick 3 based on the market. If i could get him for less I would, and then try and move him in a package for a top tier guy.

 
16 teams PPR - 53 Men Rosters (IDP)

Team A: Alex Smith, Allen Hurns, Latavius Murray, Rookie 1.08

Team B: Newton, Huff, Garoppolo

 
ghostguy123 said:
Ernol said:
ghostguy123 said:
. But at some point, you have to take value when it comes your way.
This x 100

Jordy Nelson helps my team for than seven 2016 1sts, but guess what..........................I would have to go ahead and deal Jordy for that.

Recency bias is just skyrocketing Nelson's value right now.
It's not recency bias. The guy has been real good for a couple years running. Yes or no on 1.3 for Cooks? BTW, I wasn't even involved in the deal but I appreciate the conversation.
I am actually lower on Cooks that pretty much anyone else, but pick 3 would be right about where I put him. He has talent, he has Brees, and he has opportunity.
You just contradicted yourself in the span of one sentence :)
Not really. I just didn't explain it in further detail. I would be looking to move Cooks anywhere I have him because I know the majority of people value him higher than I do.

I value him at pick 3 based on the market. If i could get him for less I would, and then try and move him in a package for a top tier guy.
I actually did this a while back. I was able to get Cooks at a reasonable price (got Cooks/2.04 for Jeremy Hill). I was then able to turn the 2nd in Jarvis Landry and Cooks/2016 2nd into Calvin. I also flipped Landry into Gio.

So in the end, I got Calvin Johnson and Gio Bernard for Jeremy Hill and a future 2nd (of a very good team) because of that good deal for Cooks.

 
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ghostguy123 said:
Ernol said:
ghostguy123 said:
. But at some point, you have to take value when it comes your way.
This x 100

Jordy Nelson helps my team for than seven 2016 1sts, but guess what..........................I would have to go ahead and deal Jordy for that.

Recency bias is just skyrocketing Nelson's value right now.
It's not recency bias. The guy has been real good for a couple years running. Yes or no on 1.3 for Cooks? BTW, I wasn't even involved in the deal but I appreciate the conversation.
I am actually lower on Cooks that pretty much anyone else, but pick 3 would be right about where I put him. He has talent, he has Brees, and he has opportunity.
You just contradicted yourself in the span of one sentence :)
Not really. I just didn't explain it in further detail. I would be looking to move Cooks anywhere I have him because I know the majority of people value him higher than I do.

I value him at pick 3 based on the market. If i could get him for less I would, and then try and move him in a package for a top tier guy.
I actually did this a while back. I was able to get Cooks at a reasonable price (got Cooks/2.04 for Jeremy Hill). I was then able to turn the 2nd in Jarvis Landry and Cooks/2016 2nd into Calvin. I also flipped Landry into Gio.

So in the end, I got Calvin Johnson and Gio Bernard for Jeremy Hill and a future 2nd (of a very good team) because of that good deal for Cooks.
Yeah, this exactly. This is how you make a dominant team!

 
12 Team, 1PPR, 2QB-2RB-2WR-1TE-1Flex

Team A: Aaron Rodgers

Team B: Rob Gronkowski, Colin Kaepernick

Starting lineups for teams involved are now:

A: Aaron Rodgers/Peyton Manning-Stafford, AJG/Dez/Cobb-Allen/Marshall, Graham/Cameron, Mason/Crowell-Stewart

B: Kaepernick/Mariota-Foles, VJax/Stevie Johnson-Jennings/Crabtree, Gronk/Olsen, Charles/Lynch/Foster-Ridley

 
12 Team, 1PPR, 2QB-2RB-2WR-1TE-1Flex

Team A: Aaron Rodgers

Team B: Rob Gronkowski, Colin Kaepernick

Starting lineups for teams involved are now:

A: Aaron Rodgers/Peyton Manning-Stafford, AJG/Dez/Cobb-Allen/Marshall, Graham/Cameron, Mason/Crowell-Stewart

B: Kaepernick/Mariota-Foles, VJax/Stevie Johnson-Jennings/Crabtree, Gronk/Olsen, Charles/Lynch/Foster-Ridley
Undersell on Rodgers imo but Kaep is the dealbreaker/dealmaker here.

 
12 Team, 1PPR, 2QB-2RB-2WR-1TE-1Flex

Team A: Aaron Rodgers

Team B: Rob Gronkowski, Colin Kaepernick

Starting lineups for teams involved are now:

A: Aaron Rodgers/Peyton Manning-Stafford, AJG/Dez/Cobb-Allen/Marshall, Graham/Cameron, Mason/Crowell-Stewart

B: Kaepernick/Mariota-Foles, VJax/Stevie Johnson-Jennings/Crabtree, Gronk/Olsen, Charles/Lynch/Foster-Ridley
Is it even TE premium?

Seems Rodgers by a LOT here even if TE premium

 
12 Team, 1PPR, 2QB-2RB-2WR-1TE-1Flex

Team A: Aaron Rodgers

Team B: Rob Gronkowski, Colin Kaepernick

Starting lineups for teams involved are now:

A: Aaron Rodgers/Peyton Manning-Stafford, AJG/Dez/Cobb-Allen/Marshall, Graham/Cameron, Mason/Crowell-Stewart

B: Kaepernick/Mariota-Foles, VJax/Stevie Johnson-Jennings/Crabtree, Gronk/Olsen, Charles/Lynch/Foster-Ridley
Is it even TE premium?

Seems Rodgers by a LOT here even if TE premium
Not TE premium

 
12 Team, 1PPR, 2QB-2RB-2WR-1TE-1Flex

Team A: Aaron Rodgers

Team B: Rob Gronkowski, Colin Kaepernick

Starting lineups for teams involved are now:

A: Aaron Rodgers/Peyton Manning-Stafford, AJG/Dez/Cobb-Allen/Marshall, Graham/Cameron, Mason/Crowell-Stewart

B: Kaepernick/Mariota-Foles, VJax/Stevie Johnson-Jennings/Crabtree, Gronk/Olsen, Charles/Lynch/Foster-Ridley
Is it even TE premium?

Seems Rodgers by a LOT here even if TE premium
Not TE premium
Nope, scoring is standard 1PPR across the board. He was originally wanting a deal revolving around Rodgers/+ for Dez/+, but then I threw this out there and I accepted his first counter offer. I tried going after Julio/Bradford yesterday with Gronk/Kaepernick/Marshall but the owner wouldn't budge, so I'm happy he didn't take the value there! Only changes to my lineup are going from Stafford/Gronk to Rodgers/Graham, and I prefer the stability Rodgers provides in this format.I hadn't shopped Kaepernick around at all, but Id imagine his value is down quite a bit. I don't think more than 1-2 owners had sent offers for him this off-season. This particular owner has seemed to always be higher on Kaep than the rest of the league though. He used to make an offer for him once every month or two throughout the season and off-season

 
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Team A Gets:

Jeremy Hill

2.04

2016 1st

Team B Gets:

Le'Veon Bell
Any idea where the 2016 1st projects?

Only way I think about dealing Bell for this is if I pretty much knew for a fact that 2016 1st belonged to a terrible team.
I would say probably a playoff team at this point. 1st and a 2nd though seems like pretty good value to go down 5 spots in RB ranking.
Lot more uncertainty about whether Hill can keep up or improve on his production next year, though. I'd have to think for a while before accepting if I was the Bell owner. I do like Hill, though, and expect Bell won't be quite so dominant next year, so I'd probably eventually lean towards accepting.

 
FFPC 12-team TE Premium

Team A

AJ Green and 3.4

Team B

1.1, 1.9, Ryan Mathews, and 3.2 (team also has DeMarco)

Flame away! :D

 

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