**Official** 2015 Washington Redskins Thread YOU LIKE THAT! (1 Viewer)

[fatness]

this team does not travel well.

Yeah that's a brutal 1 hour flight to Charlotte, not sure how they do it. Maybe next time they'll go down a few days early to adjust.Teams that play this inconsistently shows the coach isn't getting them focused and ready to play and isn't putting together game plans successfully.

was referring to 0 wins on the road this season, our last road win was colt vs dallas. no need to be sarcastic about it this isnt reddit, and some of us are looking at the big picture and dont get caught in the /wrists to paly0ffs to /wrists cycle on a weekly basis, but its cute some of you thought we would actually be competitive against a team that hasnt lost a regular season game since the reagan administration.

I'm pretty sure thayman was directing his sarcasm towards the Redskins, not toward you.

/never been on reddit

 

[thayman]

this team does not travel well.

Yeah that's a brutal 1 hour flight to Charlotte, not sure how they do it. Maybe next time they'll go down a few days early to adjust.Teams that play this inconsistently shows the coach isn't getting them focused and ready to play and isn't putting together game plans successfully.

was referring to 0 wins on the road this season, our last road win was colt vs dallas. no need to be sarcastic about it this isnt reddit, and some of us are looking at the big picture and dont get caught in the /wrists to paly0ffs to /wrists cycle on a weekly basis, but its cute some of you thought we would actually be competitive against a team that hasnt lost a regular season game since the reagan administration.

I'm pretty sure thayman was directing his sarcasm towards the Redskins, not toward you.

/never been on reddit

My irritation is directed at The Team and The Coaches, not to you directly. Carolina is close, relatively friendly place to play. Prior to The Panthers being there it was an area that was largely populated with Redskins fans. The fact that the team plays that poorly on the road shows you how piss poor the preparation and game planning is.

 

[thayman]

It's icing on the cake that if we win that game we're tied for first. But more fundamental than that -- not to sound like a caveman -- but you have to come out and regain your manhood. I mean, Carolina just b-slapped you all over the field. You need to come out and beat the Giants just for the sake of beating someone...because you have some pride.

The Giants will be ready coming off a loss and a bye. We are going to learn a whole lot about the character of this Redskins team on Sunday.

Hello, Doc.

Funny. But you know, when you listen to many of those players from the successful Redskins teams of the past, they do have a certain "ethic" that makes you see why they are winners. Doc can be annoying sometimes, but I actually like him overall and I definitely respect what he's done...

The problem with former players is I go from being a fan of theirs to really disliking them. If Doc, B Mitch and Cooley were on sparingly I'd like their insight. Giving these guy regular shows for a few hours a day and they start to sound either apologetic for the team or just incredibly idiotic.

 

[thayman]

I have hope for the future. Regardless of anything else, this season is a step forward from last year. It wasn't a giant leap, but what rationale person was expecting a giant leap? I'll settle for slow steps forward every year, with the hopes that we can become a perennial contender a few seasons down the road.

I have hope for the future, too. It's just that it's too damn early in the season to be talking about the future. That's what we do when we're giving up on the current season. And I'm not ready to give up on this season yet. The division stinks, it's sitting right there, and time after time the Skins prevent themselves from taking advantage, and shoot themselves in the foot. Or feet.

The Giants game will tell us a lot.

The Giants game will be their 5th CODE RED game this year. So far it seems like that's the only time the team has been up and ready to play out of the gate.

 

[Sebowski]

I didn't edit your original post at all. If I did I was posting from my phone and did it inadvertently.

Sorry about that. It was just my bad drunk reading. I swear I read that a few times.. Any who,

 

[dhockster]

Man they stink in road games. I didn't realize it was this bad:

54 possessions

20 punts (14 3&outs)

8 INTs

7 FG

6 fumbles

6 TD

3 end of half

2 downs

1 safety

1 FG missed

Offensive yardage in road games: 393, 270, 225, 250, 186. Not good. Of course that is a pretty good slate of defenses they are playing: Giants, Falcons, Jets, NE, Carolina.

On the plus side: 3 special teams TD's in 5 road games.

 

[Sebowski]

OK, that was brutal to watch.

I am not upset that they lost -- I fully expected them to lose on the road to what is probably one of the top teams in the league in Carolina.

What I am disappointed in is how they totally came unglued after they got some bad breaks and got behind. After the INT-TD was called back, then Carolina scores, it was like they just got rattled. I mean, even if you feel that they got jobbed on that call (which was probably a fair call but weak, you know?), but even if you feel they got jobbed, you cannot lose your composure and just come unglued.

WIth all that said, it just shows where the team is right now, a mediocre team with some solid pieces to build on. And I agree with dgreen and others. For us to be playing the Giants at home for a share of the division lead is tremendous. Even though the Giants are superior, we are at home and that is a winnable game. No, it doesn't mean we are going to the Super Bowl, but it is a game late in the year that means something, and that is some serious progress for this team since 2012, so I'll take it. Basically, at this point the Giants game is "our Super Bowl"...it will be interesting to see if we come out and play like it.

Yup. Bad call. Ok. ####. That sucks. #### those refs. Dammit. Now move on. Refs caught us that INT, but then we dropped another one on that same drive in the end zone. That's not the refs fault. Then on the same drive we bail them out on third down with a PI on a ball that wasn't going to get caught. That's not the refs fault either.

 

[MattFancy]

Went to check in on Extreme Skins today. Holy hell are there some delusional fans.

 

[fatness]

Went to check in on Extreme Skins today. Holy hell are there some delusional fans.

Delusional as in expecting playoffs? Or delusional as in jumping off bridges?

 

[MikeApf]

Went to check in on Extreme Skins today. Holy hell are there some delusional fans.

Delusional as in expecting playoffs? Or delusional as in jumping off bridges?

Or delusional as in seeing flying monkeys, circling your house?

Not...that...I...would...know...anything...about...um, that.

 

[MattFancy]

Went to check in on Extreme Skins today. Holy hell are there some delusional fans.

Delusional as in expecting playoffs? Or delusional as in jumping off bridges?

Expecting playoffs, that Kirk is still going to be great, oh and there's a huge conspiracy circling the team headed by Mara.

We should have beaten the Panthers if the refs didn't screw us. One person is actually claiming the refs were the cause of some of our turnovers.

It's ridiculous!

 

[MikeApf]

The other stinky think about that game yesterday was that Andre Roberts finally did something noteworthy (only took him two years) and yet it gets overshadowed by that stupid blowout...

(you know this is tongue in cheek hopefully)

 

[Arodin]

A while back someone made the point that the Redskins have been scheduled to play a lot of teams after they have long breaks. So I started thinking about it.

1. We played Tampa Bay after their bye.

2. The one team we got to play after our bye was New England, and New England got to play the previous Thursday, so had a long break themselves.

3. We are playing New York Giants after their bye.

4. We are playing the Dallas Cowboys after their long post-Thanskgiving break.

Any others?

Seems like a lot strung fairly closely together. That said, no excuses...you play the schedule in front of you. Just can't catch many breaks is all...

I hear this a lot, but how does it compare to other teams? I wouldn't be surprised if having 4 or 5 games against teams on more rest is common across the league.

Some back-of-the-envelope calculations:

a) 32 teams have byes, after which they each face one opponent.

b) Over the season, there are about 18 Thursday games. (none week 17, three on Thanksgiving, the season opener doesn't apply). Each features two teams who will then play someone after a long rest.

c) Let's lump Monday games in with Sunday games for simplicity, and not sweat the difference between Thurs-Mon vs Thurs-Sun.

That is 68 unique instances of a team playing a game with extra rest. With 32 teams in the league, we would expect this to happen to any random team an average of two times. (2.125 for the math geeks. Science geeks will object to that much precision given the lack of certainty in calculations b and c.)

I can't do the standard deviation in my head, but I'd be willing to get that four instances in a season is high enough to qualify as unusual.

Having four close together would be less usual, although the fact that byes are not spread unifromly across the season makes this slightly more likely than otherwise.

 

[MikeApf]

A while back someone made the point that the Redskins have been scheduled to play a lot of teams after they have long breaks. So I started thinking about it.

1. We played Tampa Bay after their bye.

2. The one team we got to play after our bye was New England, and New England got to play the previous Thursday, so had a long break themselves.

3. We are playing New York Giants after their bye.

4. We are playing the Dallas Cowboys after their long post-Thanskgiving break.

Any others?

Seems like a lot strung fairly closely together. That said, no excuses...you play the schedule in front of you. Just can't catch many breaks is all...

I hear this a lot, but how does it compare to other teams? I wouldn't be surprised if having 4 or 5 games against teams on more rest is common across the league.

Some back-of-the-envelope calculations:

a) 32 teams have byes, after which they each face one opponent.

b) Over the season, there are about 18 Thursday games. (none week 17, three on Thanksgiving, the season opener doesn't apply). Each features two teams who will then play someone after a long rest.

c) Let's lump Monday games in with Sunday games for simplicity, and not sweat the difference between Thurs-Mon vs Thurs-Sun.

That is 68 unique instances of a team playing a game with extra rest. With 32 teams in the league, we would expect this to happen to any random team an average of two times. (2.125 for the math geeks. Science geeks will object to that much precision given the lack of certainty in calculations b and c.)

I can't do the standard deviation in my head, but I'd be willing to get that four instances in a season is high enough to qualify as unusual.

Having four close together would be less usual, although the fact that byes are not spread unifromly across the season makes this slightly more likely than otherwise.

Thank you for that quick calculation. I think it shows why it *seems* that the Redskins are facing a lot of teams coming off a long rest, because in fact, they really are doing it a bit more than average...

 

[DallasDMac]

The playoff talk is interesting to me. All the "hard to believe we have a shot at the playoffs!" type comments. Does the fact that they have a shot because the whole division is terrible, with the lead team being .500, factor at all? I'm personally way more interested in how they play than and look week in and week out. If they end up 6-10 and just miss the playoffs behind the 8-8 division winner, does that look better than if they finished 6-10 and the division winner was 12-4? Serious question, not sarcasm. I actually do find it interesting that as bad as they have looked, some folks are quite as excited as they are based on the product on the field. But once again, like with wanting to see RGIII and what he could do, I realize I might be in the large minority here.

 

[MattFancy]

The playoff talk is interesting to me. All the "hard to believe we have a shot at the playoffs!" type comments. Does the fact that they have a shot because the whole division is terrible, with the lead team being .500, factor at all? I'm personally way more interested in how they play than and look week in and week out. If they end up 6-10 and just miss the playoffs behind the 8-8 division winner, does that look better than if they finished 6-10 and the division winner was 12-4? Serious question, not sarcasm. I actually do find it interesting that as bad as they have looked, some folks are quite as excited as they are based on the product on the field. But once again, like with wanting to see RGIII and what he could do, I realize I might be in the large minority here.

The only reason the playoffs are a possibility is because the rest of the division is bad. It has nothing to do with how the Redskins are playing.

Now, the Skins have played a bit better than I thought they would going into this season. Finishing 6-10 and just missing the playoffs, doesn't make finishing 6-10 any better IMO.

 

[fatness]

The playoff talk is interesting to me. All the "hard to believe we have a shot at the playoffs!" type comments. Does the fact that they have a shot because the whole division is terrible, with the lead team being .500, factor at all? I'm personally way more interested in how they play than and look week in and week out.

That's exactly how I feel. I want to watch the team play well, week after week. Let the wins take care of themselves. I want to see tackling, to see the defensive backfield know their assignments, see the d-line push O-lines back or knife through them occasionally, see some actual run blocking, see some actual run blocking, and see some actual run blocking.

I want to see quick play with less than 2 minutes in the half, no coaching uncertainty on critical playcalls, sticking with a RB more than 3 plays in a row, playcalling that takes advantage of things set up earlier, playcalling that keeps calling what's working.

And some actual run blocking.

 

[fatness]

I have the weirdest feeling that at the end of the season my Redskin MVP for 2015 will be Shawn Lauvao. The blocking collapsed when he went out. I feel weird saying that.

 

[dgreen]

The playoff talk is interesting to me. All the "hard to believe we have a shot at the playoffs!" type comments. Does the fact that they have a shot because the whole division is terrible, with the lead team being .500, factor at all? I'm personally way more interested in how they play than and look week in and week out. If they end up 6-10 and just miss the playoffs behind the 8-8 division winner, does that look better than if they finished 6-10 and the division winner was 12-4? Serious question, not sarcasm. I actually do find it interesting that as bad as they have looked, some folks are quite as excited as they are based on the product on the field. But once again, like with wanting to see RGIII and what he could do, I realize I might be in the large minority here.

Of course it's all possible right now because the division is bad. That does temper my excitement a little because none of this is based on the Redskins actually being good. But, for me, it's really just all about having meaningful December games. Watching a 4-10 team show little life and get blasted in late December is a waste of three hours on my weekend...yet I continue to put myself through that. I'm going to watch them no matter what, but I'd rather feel good about watching rather than wondering what I'm doing with my life.

 

[MikeApf]

The playoff talk is interesting to me. All the "hard to believe we have a shot at the playoffs!" type comments. Does the fact that they have a shot because the whole division is terrible, with the lead team being .500, factor at all? I'm personally way more interested in how they play than and look week in and week out. If they end up 6-10 and just miss the playoffs behind the 8-8 division winner, does that look better than if they finished 6-10 and the division winner was 12-4? Serious question, not sarcasm. I actually do find it interesting that as bad as they have looked, some folks are quite as excited as they are based on the product on the field. But once again, like with wanting to see RGIII and what he could do, I realize I might be in the large minority here.

I think I am both interested in them playing well/improving as a team AND sneaking into the playoffs in a weak division if it's possible.

The two are not mutually exclusive. Obviously improving is more important. But why not get excited that they have something to play for?

Perhaps your confusion is based on a failure to understand that just because someone is excited they are playing meaningful games, it doesn't mean that person is a mindless homer that doesn't realize they need to grow a long way before truly competing.

 

[Ted Mullins]

Didn't see this posted yet - Mike Silver from NFL network claimed on twitter that he was told Jay Gruden is definitely back next year.

http://247sports.com/Bolt/Report-Jay-Grudens-fate-for-2016-already-known-by-Redskins-41351731

I have been told that no matter what happens, Jay is coming back in 2016 https://t.co/4RW3u5kBVR

— Michael Silver (@MikeSilver) November 23, 2015

“I wasn't saying what I thought should happen,” said Silver. “I was reporting what high-placed organizational sources told me.”

 

[thayman]

Didn't see this posted yet - Mike Silver from NFL network claimed on twitter that he was told Jay Gruden is definitely back next year.

http://247sports.com/Bolt/Report-Jay-Grudens-fate-for-2016-already-known-by-Redskins-41351731

I have been told that no matter what happens, Jay is coming back in 2016 https://t.co/4RW3u5kBVR Michael Silver (@MikeSilver) November 23, 2015

I wasn't saying what I thought should happen, said Silver. I was reporting what high-placed organizational sources told me.

That doesn't surprise me. With his contract and the fact they've improved just enough to this point. Obviously it depends on what happens the rest of the year.

 

[Ted Mullins]

Yeah, considering they seem to have improved and the contract, it seems reasonable - I was just surprised to hear it's supposedly already been decided already.

 

[dehaven123]

Gruden coming back is an awful proposition to me. Does anyone think we can win the SB with him at the helm? If the answer is 'no', lets move on now. I get that the contract weighs in favor of this being more likely, but the team hasn't taken huge steps forward. Besides, we have a long way to go in the season, so any determination above team improvement is premature, they could just as easily flat line the rest of the way.

 

[(HULK)]

Anyone want tickets to this weekend's game against the Giants? Section 104 row 18. Face is $125 and I've got two available. I would sell them to a fellow fbg @ face value even though typically division games command more.

PM me if you want them

 

[fatness]

Yeah, considering they seem to have improved and the contract, it seems reasonable - I was just surprised to hear it's supposedly already been decided already.

I read that as "Our opinion right now is that Gruden will be back next year".

If they get blasted this weekend, for example, and the slide continues, you know they would rethink that decision.

 

[fatness]

Gruden coming back is an awful proposition to me. Does anyone think we can win the SB with him at the helm? If the answer is 'no', lets move on now. I get that the contract weighs in favor of this being more likely, but the team hasn't taken huge steps forward. Besides, we have a long way to go in the season, so any determination above team improvement is premature, they could just as easily flat line the rest of the way.

I'm not sure it's awful, good, or mediocre to be honest. Right now they do look improved over last year, and some of that improvement is coaching. Some is personnel. And some of their weaknesses now are coaching, some personnel. Whether the improvement continues or not remains to be seen. I still think this Giants game is huge both to the team and to the front office evaluation of Gruden.

 

[Sebowski]

One reason I think we should keep Gruden despite me thinking he is terrible is that we need to show that we are not a coaching carousel to the rest of the league amd future coaching targets. Gruden needs the chance to do his thing. Even if it doesn't look like it's going to work at this point.

 

[MikeApf]

I'm not saying Gruden is the next Vince Lombardi or anything, but I am honestly more surprised that so many people want him fired midway into his second season (and that started EARLY in his second season). Isn't firing coaches after 1 1/2 years part of the "lack of consistency", "ADHD Management Style" that we said was the MAIN Redskins problem? So you are going to fire a guy in his second year, in a program that is clearly rebuilding, with new players in prominent roles -- when that team is improving? Why the hurry to do it this year? We've been "hurrying" to reboot for the last 20 years and it's brought us more mediocrity.

For once can the team actually comport itself like a creature that is deliberate and makes deliberate decisions? If this team finishes with 6 or 7 wins and you fire Gruden, look for a WORSE season next year, I GUARANTEE it. And I'm NOT saying Gruden is even a great coach...just that the Redskins should be a little deliberate for a change.

 

[MikeApf]

Anyone want tickets to this weekend's game against the Giants? Section 104 row 18. Face is $125 and I've got two available. I would sell them to a fellow fbg @ face value even though typically division games command more.

PM me if you want them

It's your money, but I hope that you do not end up having to sell them to a Giants fan! Not that I would judge you if you need to get back $ on your investment... :(

 

[MattFancy]

I'd rather see Gruden gone. I never really liked him from the beginning and I haven't seen much from him so far that has proven me wrong. Have we improved? I think from a personnel stand point, we have. However, I don't think we've seen much improvement in game-planning, play calling, or in-game adjustments.

 

[thayman]

I'm not saying Gruden is the next Vince Lombardi or anything, but I am honestly more surprised that so many people want him fired midway into his second season (and that started EARLY in his second season). Isn't firing coaches after 1 1/2 years part of the "lack of consistency", "ADHD Management Style" that we said was the MAIN Redskins problem? So you are going to fire a guy in his second year, in a program that is clearly rebuilding, with new players in prominent roles -- when that team is improving? Why the hurry to do it this year? We've been "hurrying" to reboot for the last 20 years and it's brought us more mediocrity.

For once can the team actually comport itself like a creature that is deliberate and makes deliberate decisions? If this team finishes with 6 or 7 wins and you fire Gruden, look for a WORSE season next year, I GUARANTEE it. And I'm NOT saying Gruden is even a great coach...just that the Redskins should be a little deliberate for a change.

I think most of that frustration from fans comes from the fact that Gruden looks so clueless so many times. Plus early in the year penalties were a major issue, but they've corrected that so Gruden should get credit for that. The team also comes out flat so often, the only times they've looked good is on a Code Red game against mediocre teams.That being said unless they were 0-6 or so you let him at least finish out the season.

 

[thayman]

I'm not saying Gruden is the next Vince Lombardi or anything, but I am honestly more surprised that so many people want him fired midway into his second season (and that started EARLY in his second season). Isn't firing coaches after 1 1/2 years part of the "lack of consistency", "ADHD Management Style" that we said was the MAIN Redskins problem? So you are going to fire a guy in his second year, in a program that is clearly rebuilding, with new players in prominent roles -- when that team is improving? Why the hurry to do it this year? We've been "hurrying" to reboot for the last 20 years and it's brought us more mediocrity.

For once can the team actually comport itself like a creature that is deliberate and makes deliberate decisions? If this team finishes with 6 or 7 wins and you fire Gruden, look for a WORSE season next year, I GUARANTEE it. And I'm NOT saying Gruden is even a great coach...just that the Redskins should be a little deliberate for a change.

I think most of that frustration from fans comes from the fact that Gruden looks so clueless so many times. Plus early in the year penalties were a major issue, but they've corrected that so Gruden should get credit for that. The team also comes out flat so often, the only times they've looked good is on a Code Red game against mediocre teams.That being said unless they were 0-6 or so you let him at least finish out the season.

Also is that Grudens only way of getting a team up and ready to play? Calling a Code Red and saying this is it?

 

[MikeApf]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/11/25/jaguars-rams-bengals-to-play-london-home-games/

Redskins will play the Bengals in London in 2016. It will be an "away" game...

 

[MattFancy]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/11/25/jaguars-rams-bengals-to-play-london-home-games/

Redskins will play the Bengals in London in 2016. It will be an "away" game...

Could get back to back games there if we finish in the same place as the Rams.

 

[fatness]

Jay Gruden: “It’s a one-game season for us.”

 

[Sebowski]

Jay Gruden: “It’s a one-game season for us.”

Again?

 

[fatness]

Jay Gruden: “It’s a one-game season for us.”

Again?

Yes. He said that this week.

And that's one of my complaints about his coaching. His players come out flat way too often. And he has to resort to using the media to motivate them with "code red" and "It's a one game season". Good coaches do not need to do that. Their players play hard every week.

 

[fatness]

Happy Thanksgiving everyone.

 

[MattFancy]

We want Gruden on that wall. We need Gruden on that wall.

 

[dgreen]

@RapSheet: #Redskins CB Chris Culliver has torn his MCL and ACL, source said. His MRI was completed and he's out for the season. Horrible development

 

[Sidewinder16]

The winner of Sunday's WAS v NYG game leads the division. 7-9 might be good enough to win the NFC East and make the playoffs.

 

[fatness]

Thanksgiving Day games went well.

That sucks about Culliver though.

 

[MattFancy]

This is problem the most confident I've been all year that we could possibly make the playoffs. Dallas is done now with Romo back on the shelf. The Eagles look totally lost and Kelly is definitely gone after this season. It's a 2 team race with us and the Giants now. If we win on Sunday, we have a good shot going forward since the Dallas games just got a lot more manageable going forward. Never would have thought we'd have a real shot to win the division, but its there for the taking now.

 

[jurb26]

Schedule seems to shape up well for the Skins the rest of the season. Getting Dal 2x in this back stretch is proving a nice plus. Romo-less, those are both winnable games.

Really, if Was can just win the 4 divisional games remaining they are probably taking the division.

I'm still betting on the NYG, but yeah it's there for the taking.

 

[thayman]

This is problem the most confident I've been all year that we could possibly make the playoffs. Dallas is done now with Romo back on the shelf. The Eagles look totally lost and Kelly is definitely gone after this season. It's a 2 team race with us and the Giants now. If we win on Sunday, we have a good shot going forward since the Dallas games just got a lot more manageable going forward. Never would have thought we'd have a real shot to win the division, but its there for the taking now.

Really hope Kelly isn't gone at the end of the year.

 

[GoBirds]

This is problem the most confident I've been all year that we could possibly make the playoffs. Dallas is done now with Romo back on the shelf. The Eagles look totally lost and Kelly is definitely gone after this season. It's a 2 team race with us and the Giants now. If we win on Sunday, we have a good shot going forward since the Dallas games just got a lot more manageable going forward. Never would have thought we'd have a real shot to win the division, but its there for the taking now.

Really hope Kelly isn't gone at the end of the year.

Just like how the rest of the division feels about Gruden I guess?

Lines up nicely for you guys although whoever wins the division is getting smoked 1st round. What a division.

 

[dehaven123]

The eagles are the biggest disappointment to me. They have a 3rd year coach who has the keys to the car, rearranged the roster and cap space to his liking, has suffered no major long term injuries, and ended up blowing. I had them being a legit SB threat. there isn't a whole lot for them to build around if they go to a full reset this offseason. I'm curious what the impact to their cap looks like if a new regime comes in and dumps guys like Murray and that overrated #2 corner they signed to be a #1.

Eagles fans have to be particularly frustrated, which I enjoy thoroughly.

 

[dehaven123]

This is problem the most confident I've been all year that we could possibly make the playoffs. Dallas is done now with Romo back on the shelf. The Eagles look totally lost and Kelly is definitely gone after this season. It's a 2 team race with us and the Giants now. If we win on Sunday, we have a good shot going forward since the Dallas games just got a lot more manageable going forward. Never would have thought we'd have a real shot to win the division, but its there for the taking now.

Really hope Kelly isn't gone at the end of the year.

Just like how the rest of the division feels about Gruden I guess?

Lines up nicely for you guys although whoever wins the division is getting smoked 1st round. What a division.

Dallas gets a pass.

Giants could and is likely to still end with a winning record.

Skins are almost credible and average, season outcome unknown.

The division really looks bad because the eagles ended up being the suck.

NFC east can blame the eagles for any perception of or for actually being bad when the season ends.

Its their fault.

 

[dgreen]

Lines up nicely for you guys although whoever wins the division is getting smoked 1st round. What a division.

Whoever wins the division gets a home playoff game. Doesn't guarantee a win, of course, but could reduce the probability of getting smoked.