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***Official*** 2016 Dynasty Value Assessment Thread (1 Viewer)

Pwingles said:
Interested to hear how this Rams trade will change rookie drafts for 2QB and Superflex leagues, if at all
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I don't like LA as a landing spot. Run first offense with no WR talent and now no picks to get WR/TE. Fisher is terrible and now gets another mulligan year. It does make me consider moving Wentz ahead of Goff. Being the 1st overall pick and the product of a massive trade up lends some stability which you have to consider in superflex/2qb. It is unlikely the Rams will move away from Wentz, and getting a number of years of QB2 production has a lot of value. Goff will have to get a really great landing spot to make me consider him over Wentz in this format. I always rate QBs highly but I think you have to consider Wentz as high as 2. I don't think you can take Wentz over Elliot in a PPR league that requires at least 2 RB.

 
Pwingles said:
Interested to hear how this Rams trade will change rookie drafts for 2QB and Superflex leagues, if at all
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Wentz is now undraftable.  Fisher is the king of mediocrity, and he is going to have a QB with 0 players to target.  It will be hike, handoff, hike handoff, hike, run around looking, looking, looking, 7-9.

 
steelers1080 said:
Wentz is now undraftable.  Fisher is the king of mediocrity, and he is going to have a QB with 0 players to target.  It will be hike, handoff, hike handoff, hike, run around looking, looking, looking, 7-9.
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was McNair a horrible FF QB? serious question, i didnt play FF then

 
Dr. Octopus said:
No, but he had rushing statistics as well.
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Derrick Mason was not highly drafted but ended up having a very lengthy and productive career with the Titans and Ravens. At this point we don't know if they have another Derrick Mason on the team, but it looks pretty unlikely.

 
Buckna said:
Derrick Mason was not highly drafted but ended up having a very lengthy and productive career with the Titans and Ravens. At this point we don't know if they have another Derrick Mason on the team, but it looks pretty unlikely.
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If they do it would be Stedmon Bailey. I used to have hope that he could become a similar player. Not as excited about him anymore.

 
Pwingles said:
was McNair a horrible FF QB? serious question, i didnt play FF then
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He had one year where he was producing as a top 5 QB. I recall trading McNabb (who was a consensus top 5 QB at the time) for him and Reggie Wayne (before Wayne broke out) I forget what else. I was happy to take the perceived downgrade from McNabb to McNair in order to steal Wayne. I really didn't care about the difference in QBs at the time. They were close enough.

McNair had injuries that he kept playing through for a few more years after that and didn't play at as high of a level because of it. He was pretty good at times though.

 
Dr. Octopus said:
No, it was a different game back then and he was in an ultraconservative offense. He was still a good fantasy QB due to his rushing stats and relatively decent passing stats though.
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Ok, just curious, what is the best a Jeff Fisher QB has ever done?

I'm pretty sure 3,400 yards is the best.  And that's nowhere near a top fantasy QB.  The plan is for either guy to come in and hand off a ton.  I just don't think a QB will ever be a fantasy star with Fisher as their coach.  Ever.

I bet if Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers were traded to the Rams for the #1 pick.  They'd instantly become QB 10 or worse.  That's how bad I think the Fisher-effect is on a QB's chances.

 
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steelers1080 said:
Ok, just curious, what is the best a Jeff Fisher QB has ever done?

I'm pretty sure 3,400 yards is the best.  And that's nowhere near a top fantasy QB.  The plan is for either guy to come in and hand off a ton.  I just don't think a QB will ever be a fantasy star with Fisher as their coach.  Ever.

I bet if Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers were traded to the Rams for the #1 pick.  They'd instantly become QB 10 or worse.  That's how bad I think the Fisher-effect is on a QB's chances.
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The "ultraconservative offense" was a direct result of Fisher being there. The guy loved running Eddie George into the line for 3.5 yards a carry - over and over.

 
Dr. Octopus said:
The "ultraconservative offense" was a direct result of Fisher being there. The guy loved running Eddie George into the line for 3.5 yards a carry - over and over.
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I agree, thus why I think the QB they draft is basically dead fantasy-wise. 

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What is Hunter Henry's value if he goes to the Falcons or Packers?

 
steelers1080 said:
I agree, thus why I think the QB they draft is basically dead fantasy-wise. 

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What is Hunter Henry's value if he goes to the Falcons or Packers?
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Packers wouldn't excite me much with Cook and Rodgers there already and a lot of mouths to feed at WR. Atlanta would be a great spot.

With that said, regardless of landing spot, I think he's worth at least an early second provided he's vetted by the NFL by being a first or second round pick.

 
Dr. Octopus said:
Packers wouldn't excite me much with Cook and Rodgers there already and a lot of mouths to feed at WR. Atlanta would be a great spot.

With that said, regardless of landing spot, I think he's worth at least an early second provided he's vetted by the NFL by being a first or second round pick.
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Agree on Green Bay and they also don't throw to their TE's much. Rodgers is incredibly efficient but not a TE heavy offense.

I've felt like Atlanta has been the first or second best TE destination ever since Gonzalez left. The other was the Saints and since they filled that spot I've back to putting Atlanta as the top destination spot for TE's but a few other solid landing spots and like you said if he's at least a late first/early second NFL draft pick he's a second round dynasty pick, likely first round in TE premium leagues. If he ended up in Atlanta I'd consider him in mid first of TE premium leagues.

 
Outside of Atlanta and GB, who could he go to?

I've heard Houston, but no real buzz other than some early buzz on the Steelers prior to them signing L. Green.

 
steelers1080 said:
Outside of Atlanta and GB, who could he go to?

I've heard Houston, but no real buzz other than some early buzz on the Steelers prior to them signing L. Green.
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Bear in mind that it doesn't have to be a team with an immediate need at TE that drafts him, but here are some other teams that either need a TE now or will need one soon:

Jets, Chargers, Giants, Bears, Texans, Titans, Cowboys, Broncos, Cardinals, Rams, 49ers, Seahawks

 
Matt's Eagles said:
Bolden.....he is older...had a good season last year...looking to sign with a contender....in dynasty is he worth a 3rd or 4th rounder?
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Boldin or Bolden?

I assume you mean Anquan. Id for sure give a 4th for him. Maybe a mid to late 3 if i had some injury troubles

 
Thoughts on Zach Zenner? Does he have a chance to earn the Joique Bell role? Or do you think they bring in someone in the draft?

 
mikel2014 said:
Thoughts on Zach Zenner? Does he have a chance to earn the Joique Bell role? Or do you think they bring in someone in the draft?
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I keep hearing sleeper buzz that he could be their main guy on downs 1 and 2 with Abdullah being a 3rd down back.  Not sure if that's true or not, but it's the rumor I've heard/read a lot.

Dr. Octopus said:
Bear in mind that it doesn't have to be a team with an immediate need at TE that drafts him, but here are some other teams that either need a TE now or will need one soon:

Jets, Chargers, Giants, Bears, Texans, Titans, Cowboys, Broncos, Cardinals, Rams, 49ers, Seahawks
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Those teams could definitely use a quality TE, just haven't heard anything about most of them liking him.

What is his best landing spot for fantasy?  I'm thinking either Atlanta, Tennessee (Walker getting older), or San Diego.

 
mikel2014 said:
Thoughts on Zach Zenner? Does he have a chance to earn the Joique Bell role? Or do you think they bring in someone in the draft?
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I think the fact they signed Ridley tells me what I need to know. I don't think he is anything that special. He could still stick, but I think if he becomes relevant he backs in, not earns it with merit. His startup ADP value right now is early 3rd and on par with Foster and other older RB. I would sell at that value if I could get it.

Matt's Eagles said:
Bolden.....he is older...had a good season last year...looking to sign with a contender....in dynasty is he worth a 3rd or 4th rounder?
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He's worth a 4th in market value. I love his career but his ceiling at age 35 is replaceable through cycling waiver players even in deep leagues. I would rather have the roster spot. If he signs with a contender as a WR4 he has even less value IMO. His best landing spot is somewhere like Rams that desperately needs someone with a pulse.

 
thriftyrocker said:
I think the fact they signed Ridley tells me what I need to know. I don't think he is anything that special. He could still stick, but I think if he becomes relevant he backs in, not earns it with merit. His startup ADP value right now is early 3rd and on par with Foster and other older RB. I would sell at that value if I could get it.
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Sabertooth said:
What is Stevan Ridley's value if he were available in say a rookie draft?  
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I grabbed Ridley from waivers/throw-in trades in a few leagues last year and I have no clue what his value is.  The contract he signed is a one year "prove it" deal for $870k with $250k guaranteed.  It doesn't scream starter money by any sense of the word and Ridley didn't look so hot in the Jets jersey last year - even Zac Stacy had a higher YPC.  He was coming off the ACL injury, so maybe he's fully rehabbed and ready to shine... but I just can't shake the feeling that he's not going to win that job.  I would think Abdullah has the best skill set of the four backs on the roster, but when you cough up the ball you ride the pine.  Riddick appears to be the guy for the 3rd down role... 

 
Borden said:
Price check on Lat. Murray and AJ Green. 
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I've never been a fan of Murray and I'd still be leery of him being replaced - although surviving free agency was a good start for him. Some one just offered him to me for my 1.08 in a league where I have some good RBs (Bell, CJ Anderson, Lewis) but surely could have used some depth and it was still an easy reject for me.

Green should still be viewed as a fantasy WR1 and command a price commensurate with that.

 
Borden said:
Price check on Lat. Murray and AJ Green. 
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In my league last season someone traded AJ Green for Sammy Watkins and a 1st.  It was while Watkins was hurt and right before he blew up, but that's the last value I saw.  Probably now it would be AJ and a 2nd for Sammy.

 
What is Jaelen Strong's value?

He had some off the field incident and he hasn't really taken off in Houston.  I really liked his skill coming out of school and he had one good 2 TD game, but other than that showed little of anything.

 
steelers1080 said:
What is Jaelen Strong's value?

He had some off the field incident and he hasn't really taken off in Houston.  I really liked his skill coming out of school and he had one good 2 TD game, but other than that showed little of anything.
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I don't know what his market is but he's a hold for me (and I'm heavily invested). I liked him a lot as a prospect but being a little out of shape into camp did not sit well with O'Brien and he was buried behind some uninspiring veterans. he looked pretty good when he did see the field. I think he starts the season with a four game suspension so hopefully that doesn't cause him to fall behind on the depth charts again. I've seen  a bunch of mocks that have Houston taking a WR in the first. that could hurt his chances as well, but I'm not really sure if that happens.

 
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Dr. Octopus said:
I don't know what his market is but he's a hold for me (and I'm heavily invested). I liked him a lot as a prospect but being a little out of shape did not see well with O'Brien and he was buried behind some uninspiring veterans. he looked pretty good when he did see the field. I think he starts the season with a four game suspension so hopefully that doesn't cause him to fall behind on the depth charts again. I've seen  a bunch of mocks that have Houston taking a WR in the first. that could hurt his chances as well, but I'm not really sure if that happens.
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If HOU goes WR in the first, I'm not sure Strong ever turns into a top 25 WR.

 
steelers1080 said:
In my league last season someone traded AJ Green for Sammy Watkins and a 1st.  It was while Watkins was hurt and right before he blew up, but that's the last value I saw.  Probably now it would be AJ and a 2nd for Sammy.
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Green is the black sheep of the Elite WR tier, no one wants to pay anything for him. You'd probably have to add at least a 1st to him to get Watkins and even then it is iffy the owner would accept the "downgrade" to Green. Same thing for Cooper, Evans, etc.

 
steelers1080 said:
What is Jaelen Strong's value?

He had some off the field incident and he hasn't really taken off in Houston.  I really liked his skill coming out of school and he had one good 2 TD game, but other than that showed little of anything.
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I've been offering for every single player +/- 10 of his ranking and can't get a bite.  No one will pay a mid-2nd, either.

 
tangfoot said:
I've been offering for every single player +/- 10 of his ranking and can't get a bite.  No one will pay a mid-2nd, either.
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I think he's a strong hold at the moment (pun intended!).  He should show his value this season.  If they draft a WR in the 1st or 2nd, it implies that he isn't their #2.  If they don't then I think he has a good chance of becoming the #2 to Hopkins.

Buckna said:
Green is the black sheep of the Elite WR tier, no one wants to pay anything for him. You'd probably have to add at least a 1st to him to get Watkins and even then it is iffy the owner would accept the "downgrade" to Green. Same thing for Cooper, Evans, etc.
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I think some people are worried about the effect of Hue Jackson, Sanu, and Marvin Jones leaving.  They weren't great WRs but they definitely took the heat off AJ a little bit.  If Cincy goes WR in the 1st I think it actually increases AJ's value overall.  In my eyes AJ is like Roddy White from 4-5 years ago.  He was an annual top 10 WR but he just isn't flashy.  He scores consistently, but doesn't do anything ridiculous to make people remember him.

 
steelers1080 said:
I think he's a strong hold at the moment (pun intended!).  He should show his value this season.  If they draft a WR in the 1st or 2nd, it implies that he isn't their #2.  If they don't then I think he has a good chance of becoming the #2 to Hopkins.
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Yes, this is exactly what I'm expecting to happen, and I'm trying to exit while he still has some value.

 
2nd to Hopkins with Oz as his QB is his ceiling. I'd pass and I was a big proponent of Strong before every team passed on him multiple times.

 
tangfoot said:
Yes, this is exactly what I'm expecting to happen, and I'm trying to exit while he still has some value.
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If I was you I'd try and sell him for a 4th (in my league 0 people want him for anything).  At least a 4th would be a lotto pick and could turn into a big deal.

 
Buckna said:
Green is the black sheep of the Elite WR tier, no one wants to pay anything for him. You'd probably have to add at least a 1st to him to get Watkins and even then it is iffy the owner would accept the "downgrade" to Green. Same thing for Cooper, Evans, etc.
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Uhhh, this is wrong.

 
steelers1080 said:
What is Jaelen Strong's value?

He had some off the field incident and he hasn't really taken off in Houston.  I really liked his skill coming out of school and he had one good 2 TD game, but other than that showed little of anything.
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I sold him for Jonathon Stewart for a team I needed a RB on. They have a similar ADP and don't see a huge upside for Strong. Having said that, I don't see a huge upside for Stewart either.

 
Buckna said:
Green is the black sheep of the Elite WR tier, no one wants to pay anything for him. You'd probably have to add at least a 1st to him to get Watkins and even then it is iffy the owner would accept the "downgrade" to Green. Same thing for Cooper, Evans, etc.
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:shock:

I have Watkins in multiple leagues, I probably wouldn't trade him straight up for Green, but its not because Watkins is the better prospect. Watkins is 5 years younger and seems to be trending upwards, whereas Green is a known-elite quantity.

Those respective qualities have some value that offsets some. I don't know where the line is, but I would snapcall Green and a first for Watkins and a second.

 
I posted it on the completed trades thread, but just for posterity, last week in one of my leagues, AJ Green went for Moncrief, Crowder and a 2017 3rd.  I thought it was a terrible undervaluing of Green. 

 
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