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Official 2016 GOP thread: Is it really going to be Donald Trump?? (4 Viewers)
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igbomb
Footballguy
So if that list is exhaustive, only 1 president in the last 100 years didn't graduate college
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
So we are really going to end up with yet another Bush vs yet another Clinton.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
What if he wins though. 
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Yup, most likely! Depressing moment in American history. The only compelling about it is John-Jeb has a shot at Fla which makes the electoral map harder for Hillary but still very doable.
Fennis
Footballguy
timschochet
Footballguy
Yeah I've heard the point made about Walker before. Personally, I don't think it's relevant. Walker has been an effective governor. You may love him or hate him or somewhere in between, but few people would argue his effectiveness at an executive position. To me, that makes the issue of a college degree beside the point.
Barack Obama has a couple of degrees, but he also was a pot smoker (and likely used other drugs as well.) As a society we're beyond caring about such stuff, and rightfully so. I'm not at all sure Scott Walker will be a good President (I don't share many of his views) but I do know that his lack of college degree won't be the deciding factor.
Barack Obama has a couple of degrees, but he also was a pot smoker (and likely used other drugs as well.) As a society we're beyond caring about such stuff, and rightfully so. I'm not at all sure Scott Walker will be a good President (I don't share many of his views) but I do know that his lack of college degree won't be the deciding factor.
timschochet
Footballguy
Clinton is a lock, Bush is nowhere near a lock. I'd say his odds right now are under 50%.
But I disagree with Saints again. I don't think a Clinton vs. Bush matchup would be depressing at all. I think it would be a reaffirmation of the fact that, despite the extremist and populist cross-currents that ride the waves of the top of our culture, at bottom the American public is steady, pro-establishment, and conservative. (By "conservative" here I'm not speaking of the political definition, but a more universal meaning: to avoid taking wild chances, going with what's solid, etc.)
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
If it's a reaffirmation it's that it's a rich man's/woman's game and getting richer.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
The Commish
Footballguy
NorvilleBarnes
Footballguy
Completely agree. Watching Hillary's press conference was painful - Bill's toenail has more charm and charisma. But she came off more intelligent and competent than the entire GOP field combined.The Commish said:
NorvilleBarnes
Footballguy
Of course he'll make noise. He's old. Old people are noisy. He'll fart and clear his throat and shout get off my lawn. He'll cough and wheez and clutch his chest and keel over. Then rattle.wdcrob said:
NorvilleBarnes
Footballguy
No. My money's on Rubio. He's young, intelligent, decent looking and will eventually pass the like-to-have-a-beer-with test.
whoknew
Footballguy
I think you are drastically underrating intelligence and education. Walker may be a fine governor, but he hasn't had to deal with the complex issues he will as President. International relations are hard and steeped in long history. Economics are hard. Is Walker smart enough and educated enough to grasp those (and other) difficult and nuanced issues? I don't know. I do know Hillary is. I do know Obama is. I suspect, based on his educational record, that Jindal is (though the religion thing really throws me).
But a 2.6 student who dropped out of Marquette? I don't know.
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Mister CIA
Footballguy
Are you more likely to overlook a history of performing exorcisms than you are a lack of a college degree?
Your opinion, it seems, cheapens the value of your own degree.
Boston
Footballguy
So a 4.0 student that had no social life in college while also having zero street smarts is qualified to be President? Sorry but I think being an effective Governor has a little more credibility than getting A's in Lesbian Poetry or Astronomy at the age of 20...
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whoknew
Footballguy
That's what I mean - I'm thoroughly confused on Jindal. I've said that multiple times in the last two pages. He's educational history is as good as it gets. You can't be an idiot and be a Rhodes Scholar.
But then...young earth creationism? Exorcism? Its inexplicable.
timschochet
Footballguy
I don't underrate intelligence. But education is something different. History doesn't bear out your assumptions all of the time. Harry Truman was one of our greatest Presidents. On the other hand, Jimmy Carter studied nuclear physics and was certainly one of the brightest men ever to be elected, and he will be remembered as one of our worst Presidents.
I don't know if Walker is that intelligent or not, and I agree with you about our difficult and nuanced issues ahead, which is one reason I am for Hillary Clinton. But Walker's lack of college education doesn't prove anything to me one way or another.
whoknew
Footballguy
I agree it doesn't prove anything. What I think educational record does is shift the burden of proof. With Jindal's record, you get the benefit of the doubt until you prove you are an idiot (like he has). With Walker's record, he needs to prove he is smart to overcome what his educational record shows.
Walker may be brilliant. I don't know. But he needs to prove it to me before I would want him to win.
joffer
Footballguy
no it's not
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Does anyone disagree we should have the transcripts and any papers written by all candidates? Why do we know Walker's record and no one else's? Cards should be on the table. Hell Carson is probably the smartest guy out there in either party.
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NorvilleBarnes
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"Today, Donald Trump became the second major Republican candidate to announce for president in two days. He adds some much-needed seriousness that has previously been lacking from the G.O.P. field, and we look forward hearing more about his ideas for the nation.” - DNC 
timschochet
Footballguy
Politico's 10 best lines from Donald Trump's nomination speech:
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/06/donald-trump-2016-announcement-10-best-lines-119066.html?ml=po
10. On terrorism: “Islamic terrorism is eating large portions of the Mideast. They’ve become rich. I’m in competition with them.”
9. On his GOP rivals: “The other candidates — they went in, they didn’t know the air conditioning didn’t work. They sweated like dogs. They didn’t know the room was too big because they didn’t have anybody there. How are they gonna beat ISIS? I don’t think it’s gonna happen.”
8. On the future of the Affordable Care Act: “Remember, Obamacare really kicks in in ‘16. 2016. Obama’s gonna be out playing golf. He might even be on one of my courses. I would invite him, I actually would say it. I have the best courses in the world so I’d say, you know what if he wants to. I have one right next to the White House. Right on the Potomac. If he’d like to play, that’s fine. In fact, I’d love him to leave early and play.”
7. On his love of China: “I’m not saying they’re stupid. I like China. I just sold an apartment for $15 million. Am I supposed to dislike ‘em? … People say you don’t like China. No, I love them. But their leaders are much smarter than our leaders. And we can’t sustain ourselves with that. It’s like, take the New England Patriots and Tom Brady and have them play your high school football team.”
6. On negotiating with foreign countries: “I know the smartest negotiators in the world. I know the good ones, I know the bad ones, I know the overrated ones. You got a lot of them that are overrated. They’re not good, they think they are, they get good stories, cause the newspapers get buffaloed. But they’re not good. But I know the best negotiators in the world. I’d put them one for each country. Believe me, folks, we’d do very well.”
5. On the economy: “I will be the greatest jobs president that God ever created.”
4. On America’s borders: “I would build a great wall. And nobody builds walls better than me, believe me. And I’ll build them very inexpensively. I will build a great great wall on our southern border and I’ll have Mexico pay for that wall.”
3. On John Kerry and the Iran nuclear talks: “I will stop Iran from getting nuclear weapons. And we won’t be using a man like Secretary Kerry that has absolutely no concept of negotiation, who’s making a horrible and laughable deal, who’s just being tapped along as they make weapons right now and then goes into a bicycle race at 72-years-old and falls and breaks his leg. I won’t be doing that. And I promise, I will never be in a bicycle race — that I can tell you.”
2. On his wealth: “I don’t need anybody’s money. It’s nice. I don’t need anybody’s money. I’m using my own money. I’m not using the lobbyists. I’m not using donors. I don’t care. I’m really rich, I’ll show you that in a second. And by the way, I’m not even saying that in a braggadocios … that’s the kind that’s the kind of thinking you need for this country.”
1. On immigration: “When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs, they’re bringing crime, they’re rapists, and some, I assume, are good people.”
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/06/donald-trump-2016-announcement-10-best-lines-119066.html?ml=po
10. On terrorism: “Islamic terrorism is eating large portions of the Mideast. They’ve become rich. I’m in competition with them.”
9. On his GOP rivals: “The other candidates — they went in, they didn’t know the air conditioning didn’t work. They sweated like dogs. They didn’t know the room was too big because they didn’t have anybody there. How are they gonna beat ISIS? I don’t think it’s gonna happen.”
8. On the future of the Affordable Care Act: “Remember, Obamacare really kicks in in ‘16. 2016. Obama’s gonna be out playing golf. He might even be on one of my courses. I would invite him, I actually would say it. I have the best courses in the world so I’d say, you know what if he wants to. I have one right next to the White House. Right on the Potomac. If he’d like to play, that’s fine. In fact, I’d love him to leave early and play.”
7. On his love of China: “I’m not saying they’re stupid. I like China. I just sold an apartment for $15 million. Am I supposed to dislike ‘em? … People say you don’t like China. No, I love them. But their leaders are much smarter than our leaders. And we can’t sustain ourselves with that. It’s like, take the New England Patriots and Tom Brady and have them play your high school football team.”
6. On negotiating with foreign countries: “I know the smartest negotiators in the world. I know the good ones, I know the bad ones, I know the overrated ones. You got a lot of them that are overrated. They’re not good, they think they are, they get good stories, cause the newspapers get buffaloed. But they’re not good. But I know the best negotiators in the world. I’d put them one for each country. Believe me, folks, we’d do very well.”
5. On the economy: “I will be the greatest jobs president that God ever created.”
4. On America’s borders: “I would build a great wall. And nobody builds walls better than me, believe me. And I’ll build them very inexpensively. I will build a great great wall on our southern border and I’ll have Mexico pay for that wall.”
3. On John Kerry and the Iran nuclear talks: “I will stop Iran from getting nuclear weapons. And we won’t be using a man like Secretary Kerry that has absolutely no concept of negotiation, who’s making a horrible and laughable deal, who’s just being tapped along as they make weapons right now and then goes into a bicycle race at 72-years-old and falls and breaks his leg. I won’t be doing that. And I promise, I will never be in a bicycle race — that I can tell you.”
2. On his wealth: “I don’t need anybody’s money. It’s nice. I don’t need anybody’s money. I’m using my own money. I’m not using the lobbyists. I’m not using donors. I don’t care. I’m really rich, I’ll show you that in a second. And by the way, I’m not even saying that in a braggadocios … that’s the kind that’s the kind of thinking you need for this country.”
1. On immigration: “When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs, they’re bringing crime, they’re rapists, and some, I assume, are good people.”
krista4
Footballguy
I saw this earlier today and have read it at least half a dozen times since. It just pleases me so much. No matter what else happens, he will give us amusement the likes of which we haven't seen since Sarah Palin, and I thank him for that.
rockaction
Footballguy
I know. It's like ####### A, right? You can't get a Democratic rock to give water about anything, why not get a blubbering Democrat to run as a Republican and cry Reform tears.
So much funny. Everybody in here is so much more clever than everyone. I love it. Keep cleverin'.
Hey, how's your President working out for you with Russia invading your airspace, China hacking your computer systems, Benghazi and the like, ISIS and the JV, a revolting economy, a wonderful health care bill where you had to pass it to see what's in it and then you lost your doctor, fast-track authority, etc. etc.
I love this thread. It's where stupid Dems come to piss all cleverly when they should just go home and use the ####### bathroom for the special kids.
Wait, that was hostile on my end. Here's something for ya.
EVOLUSHION!!!
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krista4
Footballguy
It's the usual. Would be funny if it weren't so sad. No wait...actually it's very funny, always.
rockaction
Footballguy
This thread has been drunk since page one and its originator.
Nobody is confused.
It's a wankfest of Gawker-esque proportions.
I could be on crack, heroin, gin, whiskey, ether, and pills and realize it.
Have fun, fellas. (And that Hawk broad.)
rockaction
Footballguy
timschochet
Footballguy
Damn rockaction. Amusement over Trump brought all that on?
rockaction
Footballguy
Nah, mang. Who do you run from if you went to Wellesley? What sort of privileged background could make you so upset? Your alma mater kicks serious ###. It takes no prisoners, holds no quarrel, asks no questions. It isn't moved, scared, nor recalcitrant. It moves rocks, shoves boulders, hikes the unknown, seizes the mountaintops, answers the questions.Are you going to have a meltdown again? If so I'll stay up for it
Pride!
http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2014/02/06/the_sleepwalker_at_wellesley_students_complain_that_a_statue_of_a_man_in.html
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rockaction
Footballguy
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Jeb Bush. "the next president will need to privatize Social Security."
And with that, he is finished.
And with that, he is finished.
cstu
Footballguy
Seriously, what is wrong with Republicans? There's no need to even bring this subject up.
The Commish
Footballguy
Agreed....though it feels like we're having to dig deeper and deeper just so these dolts can clear the bar....pretty sad. Also pretty sad that "we" continue to lower the bar.
The Commish
Footballguy
rockaction
Footballguy
This is where the ***OFFICIAL 2016 FFA Democratic Headquarters Thread*** would be if Hillary weren't running, isn't it? I can almost sense the butthurt over having to vote for a candidate that an entire party hates so that Democrats might entrench a platform that has become an epically bad stinkfest over the past eight years.
timschochet
Footballguy
Yeah if the Dems had a race this time around I would have started a thread like that as well, sure. Or somebody else would have.
But I don't quite get your criticism. Sure this thread has lots of posts by people mocking some of the more colorful candidates, but if you read through it there's also a lot of thoughtful analysis, much of it by conservatives in the forum discussing which candidates they prefer or don't prefer and why. Hopefully that discussion will continue.
But I don't quite get your criticism. Sure this thread has lots of posts by people mocking some of the more colorful candidates, but if you read through it there's also a lot of thoughtful analysis, much of it by conservatives in the forum discussing which candidates they prefer or don't prefer and why. Hopefully that discussion will continue.
rockaction
Footballguy
I get what you're saying, but not really. It's more like an open primary in here. In Connecticut. Where there aren't any (not one) Republicans elected to federal office. If any "conservative" has commented, it's really about how they can't vote for any of the candidates because they're just too darn conservative, which then sort of beggars belief about the characterization of them as conservative. I'm sure there is an example or two you could point to, but I think, at least, that the majority of the thread has been overwhelmingly negative, snarky, and less than thoughtful. A Democratic wankfest with DNC Gawker talking points, as it were. 
I hope you might understand that primary analogy.
I just read the last four pages of this thread before I stepped in. I love your characterization of it as a "thoughtful" discussion of the GOP candidates.
I hope you might understand that primary analogy.
I just read the last four pages of this thread before I stepped in. I love your characterization of it as a "thoughtful" discussion of the GOP candidates.
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timschochet
Footballguy
Well again, I don't think that's the case, but if you truly believe the tone of conversation is too negative, I invite you to change it.I get what you're saying, but not really. It's more like an open primary in here. In Connecticut. Where there aren't any (not one) Republicans elected to federal office. If any "conservative" has commented, it's really about how they can't vote for any of the candidates because they're just too darn conservative, which then sort of beggars belief about the characterization of them as conservative. I'm sure there is an example or two you could point to, but I think, at least, that the majority of the thread has been overwhelmingly negative, snarky, and less than thoughtful. A Democratic wankfest with DNC Gawker talking points, as it were.
I hope you might understand that primary analogy.
I just read the last four pages of this thread before I stepped in. I love your characterization of it as a "thoughtful" discussion of the GOP candidates.
The nomination process is still in it's early stages. It has seemed to me all along that, despite the large number of candidates this time around, there's really only 3 guys with a serious chance at winning: Bush, Rubio, and Walker, with (VERY!) outside shots for Kasich and Christie. One of those 5 men will be the eventual GOP nominee, and I imagine we'll get into a lengthy discussion of their policy and stylistic differences. I plan on it.
timschochet
Footballguy
Speaking of the major candidates:
http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/17/politics/jeb-bush-marco-rubio-florida-republican-party/index.html
Miami (CNN)The decision of whether to support Jeb Bush or Marco Rubio was one Florida Republicans hoped they'd never have to face.
But now that both are seeking the White House, longtime Republicans here have been forced to choose between a Bush, a 62-year-old governor they deeply admire or Rubio, a 44-year-old senator they believe has a bright future in national politics.
For those who chose Bush, the reason for their allegiance comes down to one word: "Experience."
"I think as you look at the two, Jeb Bush is ready to be president," former Florida Sen. Mel Martinez, a Republican, told CNN. "I think Marco Rubio very well may be president someday. I think just for 2016, after a failed Obama presidency, we need somebody like Jeb Bush to step in there."
Bush quickly moved to flex muscle in Florida early.
During his first presidential rally here Monday, the son and brother of two U.S. presidents trotted out a parade of top Republicans from the Sunshine State. The campaign trumpted that it had secured endorsements from 11 of the 17 Republicans in the Florida House of Representatives, including members of Cuban descent representing the Miami area. Key members of Florida Gov. Rick Scott's administration -- Attorney General Pam Bondi, Commissioner of Agriculture Adam Putnam and Chief Financial Officer Jeff Atwater -- all attended his campaign kick-off.
Bush's Florida allies point directly to President Barack Obama, and how he came into office before completing his first term in the Senate. They admire Rubio and think he could make a fine president -- just not yet -- and they point to Bush's executive experience as a reason to support him.
"When it comes time to figuring out who's ready to be commander-in-chief on Day 1, I think there's no contest," said Al Cardenas, who ran the state Republican Party while Bush was governor and also mentored Rubio.
"I think it's Jeb Bush," he said.
Former Sen. George LeMieux, another Florida Republican, also declared Bush's experience a trump card as well.
"You don't get training wheels for the presidency. You need to be on the job and ready on Day 1," he said.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/17/politics/jeb-bush-marco-rubio-florida-republican-party/index.html
Miami (CNN)The decision of whether to support Jeb Bush or Marco Rubio was one Florida Republicans hoped they'd never have to face.
But now that both are seeking the White House, longtime Republicans here have been forced to choose between a Bush, a 62-year-old governor they deeply admire or Rubio, a 44-year-old senator they believe has a bright future in national politics.
For those who chose Bush, the reason for their allegiance comes down to one word: "Experience."
"I think as you look at the two, Jeb Bush is ready to be president," former Florida Sen. Mel Martinez, a Republican, told CNN. "I think Marco Rubio very well may be president someday. I think just for 2016, after a failed Obama presidency, we need somebody like Jeb Bush to step in there."
Bush quickly moved to flex muscle in Florida early.
During his first presidential rally here Monday, the son and brother of two U.S. presidents trotted out a parade of top Republicans from the Sunshine State. The campaign trumpted that it had secured endorsements from 11 of the 17 Republicans in the Florida House of Representatives, including members of Cuban descent representing the Miami area. Key members of Florida Gov. Rick Scott's administration -- Attorney General Pam Bondi, Commissioner of Agriculture Adam Putnam and Chief Financial Officer Jeff Atwater -- all attended his campaign kick-off.
Bush's Florida allies point directly to President Barack Obama, and how he came into office before completing his first term in the Senate. They admire Rubio and think he could make a fine president -- just not yet -- and they point to Bush's executive experience as a reason to support him.
"When it comes time to figuring out who's ready to be commander-in-chief on Day 1, I think there's no contest," said Al Cardenas, who ran the state Republican Party while Bush was governor and also mentored Rubio.
"I think it's Jeb Bush," he said.
Former Sen. George LeMieux, another Florida Republican, also declared Bush's experience a trump card as well.
"You don't get training wheels for the presidency. You need to be on the job and ready on Day 1," he said.
timschochet
Footballguy
As I see it, the winner of the Florida primary will be either Bush or Rubio. And if that is the same person who wins New Hampshire, then that will be the nominee. For Walker to have a chance, he needs to win Iowa and have Bush and Rubio split New Hampshire and Florida.
QuizGuy66
Footballguy
clear that Florida establishment fears no repercussions siding with Bush over Rubio (given that he is a senator and not a state elected this is not that big a surprise I guess). I have to try and out together a list of the states that have their Presidential and Downballot primaries on the same day (such as NJ). That is where choices can get more difficult for incumbents as they have to picj who they are on the line with and also can be a hazard for a national candidate as they could be stuck picking sides in any contested party prinaries.
I do think that most states early in the process have the prez primary split apart from everyone else. But if the battle drags on between a couple candidates and it gets into May and June this factor could come into play.
-QG
I do think that most states early in the process have the prez primary split apart from everyone else. But if the battle drags on between a couple candidates and it gets into May and June this factor could come into play.
-QG
rockaction
Footballguy
I'm not too worked up about it; I'm just defending my beloved GOP, a party that I've never been a member of. I was snarkin' just like everybody else and was told that I was drunk and to go home, so I figured I'd point out that it's a snarky wankfest in here of diehard Dems. Who have a candidate that won't answer a single question about any policy. Ever. Not one. Six questions answered in two months, and about nothing of substance.Well again, I don't think that's the case, but if you truly believe the tone of conversation is too negative, I invite you to change it.I get what you're saying, but not really. It's more like an open primary in here. In Connecticut. Where there aren't any (not one) Republicans elected to federal office. If any "conservative" has commented, it's really about how they can't vote for any of the candidates because they're just too darn conservative, which then sort of beggars belief about the characterization of them as conservative. I'm sure there is an example or two you could point to, but I think, at least, that the majority of the thread has been overwhelmingly negative, snarky, and less than thoughtful. A Democratic wankfest with DNC Gawker talking points, as it were.
I hope you might understand that primary analogy.
I just read the last four pages of this thread before I stepped in. I love your characterization of it as a "thoughtful" discussion of the GOP candidates.
The nomination process is still in it's early stages. It has seemed to me all along that, despite the large number of candidates this time around, there's really only 3 guys with a serious chance at winning: Bush, Rubio, and Walker, with (VERY!) outside shots for Kasich and Christie. One of those 5 men will be the eventual GOP nominee, and I imagine we'll get into a lengthy discussion of their policy and stylistic differences. I plan on it.
Boston
Footballguy
Of course they do...he is a weak candidate that would be the best matchup for Clinton...time to push him and tell us how great he will do with moderates and how some dems will think about voting for him...until he wins the nomination and they turn him into Barry Goldwater on rabies...it is the same playbook all the time and the GOP establishment does a decent job falling for it...the good news is I don't see him winning the nomination...Quez said:
rockaction
Footballguy
The bolded is a playbook straight out a media narrative from 1962. And it still works! I'm always amazed by that.
One of my favorite Firing Lines is William F. Buckley debating some guy from the Anti-Defamation League (or a similar organization) who believes that Republicans are the party of extremism. It never changes. The charges against the right of extremism and against the left as unpatriotic are as old as the day is long, and they still work. The right had John Kerry "reporting for duty" in a bit of the most absurd political theater I've ever seen in my short time on this earth. And Kerry got pounded like a drum.
My advice to the candidates, were they ever to listen: run as who you are, run to your platform, run to your base, run to your strengths.
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