Official 2016 GOP thread: Is it really going to be Donald Trump?? (2 Viewers)

[Amused to Death]

My ranking of who I like (I reserve the right to change at any moment for any reason):

3. Chris Christie

Why do you like Christie? Have you seen what he's done to NJ?

 

[joffer]

Walker/Rubio is still the best ticket for the GOP. Lots of time for that to change

 

[sho nuff]

Walker/Rubio is still the best ticket for the GOP. Lots of time for that to change

Why?

Im still trying to figure out if anyone can really give a reason why Walker would be a good candidate.

So far...being a winner and having a down to earth vibe are his best qualities.

 

[fatguyinalittlecoat]

Walker/Rubio is still the best ticket for the GOP. Lots of time for that to change

Why?

Im still trying to figure out if anyone can really give a reason why Walker would be a good candidate.

So far...being a winner and having a down to earth vibe are his best qualities.

He is generally acceptable to the crazies and the relatively sane Republicans. Very few of the 17 candidates can bridge that gap.

 

[joffer]

Walker/Rubio is still the best ticket for the GOP. Lots of time for that to change

Why?

Im still trying to figure out if anyone can really give a reason why Walker would be a good candidate.

So far...being a winner and having a down to earth vibe are his best qualities.

Not saying I like him. Just saying he's their best chance right now

 

[MaxThreshold]

Walker/Rubio is still the best ticket for the GOP. Lots of time for that to change

Why?

Im still trying to figure out if anyone can really give a reason why Walker would be a good candidate.

So far...being a winner and having a down to earth vibe are his best qualities.

What are you looking for?

 

[MaxThreshold]

Walker/Rubio is still the best ticket for the GOP. Lots of time for that to change

Why?

Im still trying to figure out if anyone can really give a reason why Walker would be a good candidate.

So far...being a winner and having a down to earth vibe are his best qualities.

He is generally acceptable to the crazies and the relatively sane Republicans. Very few of the 17 candidates can bridge that gap.

I know of no Liberals that find Walker acceptable.

 

[sho nuff]

Walker/Rubio is still the best ticket for the GOP. Lots of time for that to change

Why?

Im still trying to figure out if anyone can really give a reason why Walker would be a good candidate.

So far...being a winner and having a down to earth vibe are his best qualities.

What are you looking for?

Usually if someone is worth a vote for president...those supporting him would have some reasoning other than...he is a winner with a down to earth vibe.

Qualifications...why you think he may be a good president...things like that.

Its telling to me that I have asked this question multiple times...and have almost zero answers that would come close to qualifying someone to be president.

 

[Mister CIA]

I'd rank Romney head and shoulders above the current crop. Would probably even vote for him in November if he pinky-swore not to whore out the Office to all of his buddies.

 

[MaxThreshold]

Walker/Rubio is still the best ticket for the GOP. Lots of time for that to change

Why?

Im still trying to figure out if anyone can really give a reason why Walker would be a good candidate.

So far...being a winner and having a down to earth vibe are his best qualities.

What are you looking for?

Usually if someone is worth a vote for president...those supporting him would have some reasoning other than...he is a winner with a down to earth vibe.

Qualifications...why you think he may be a good president...things like that.

Its telling to me that I have asked this question multiple times...and have almost zero answers that would come close to qualifying someone to be president.

Again, what are YOU looking for?

It seems like you're going to eliminate reasons he's a good candidate one way or the other. So you don't like him - that doesn't discount the reasoning of others who do.

 

[timschochet]

Walker/Rubio is still the best ticket for the GOP. Lots of time for that to change

This may be the ticket but I think it needs to be reversed, because I don't believe Walker can win Florida. Rubio might.

 

[MaxThreshold]

Walker/Rubio is still the best ticket for the GOP. Lots of time for that to change

This may be the ticket but I think it needs to be reversed, because I don't believe Walker can win Florida. Rubio might.

I agree. I like it much better that way.

 

[Daywalker]

The GOP should run on single-payer health insurance. Trump for it in the past.

The democrats will never get that through anytime soon. Decades.

GOP should relent on that issue but get the executive branch and perhaps both houses. Do what they may.

Basically vote Republican and get single-payer or vote Dem and nothing happens.

Conservatives are not going to the other side. You won't lose them. Think enough of a % of liberals would take that deal.

The practical result of this would be a definite 3rd party run by a winger of some sort.

-QG

Conservatives masses already think we have government run healthcare. They'd flip on a dime on the issue. Think the polls already suggest they like everything in the ACA.

Also don't think they'd vote for 3rd party if it ruined their chances for the executive. They did with Perot but think healthcare would be another animal.

Yeah it's crazy but the Republicans winning the executive anytime soon seems far-fetched too.

 

[sho nuff]

Walker/Rubio is still the best ticket for the GOP. Lots of time for that to change

Why?

Im still trying to figure out if anyone can really give a reason why Walker would be a good candidate.

So far...being a winner and having a down to earth vibe are his best qualities.

What are you looking for?

Usually if someone is worth a vote for president...those supporting him would have some reasoning other than...he is a winner with a down to earth vibe.

Qualifications...why you think he may be a good president...things like that.

Its telling to me that I have asked this question multiple times...and have almost zero answers that would come close to qualifying someone to be president.

Again, what are YOU looking for?

It seems like you're going to eliminate reasons he's a good candidate one way or the other. So you don't like him - that doesn't discount the reasoning of others who do.

Because nobody can give a n actual reason he is qualified.

 

[RCon]

I haven't studied Walker much, but I'd suggest that on at least one occasion in the past, he wasn't afraid to do what he believed was right for his constituency, despite the fact that it was unpopular. In my opinion, that's an important quality in an executive.

 

[BroncoFreak_2K3]

Walker/Rubio is still the best ticket for the GOP. Lots of time for that to change

Why?

Im still trying to figure out if anyone can really give a reason why Walker would be a good candidate.

So far...being a winner and having a down to earth vibe are his best qualities.

What are you looking for?

Usually if someone is worth a vote for president...those supporting him would have some reasoning other than...he is a winner with a down to earth vibe.

Qualifications...why you think he may be a good president...things like that.

Its telling to me that I have asked this question multiple times...and have almost zero answers that would come close to qualifying someone to be president.

So you don't like Walker then huh...I think we get it.

What more experience or qualifications did Obama have when he entered the race? I'll hang up and listen.

 

[Johnnymac]

This GOP is very very close to losing me as a voter.

What issues would you like to see them emphasize?

Sanity.

This. Until they can get some sanity I dont see a GOP candidate winning the presidency. Republicans better start realizing this or the party could go bye bye.

 

[timschochet]

Jeb Bush made an honest, realistic comment last night which may come back to bite him: although he disapproves of the Iran deal, he said that if elected he wouldn't get rid of it right away; he'd have to consider all options, discuss it with our allies, etc.

This is an entirely reasonable comment but it's not at all what Republicans want to hear and it makes him sound weak and tepid. Watch the other candidates gang up on him, especially during the upcoming debates, over this response.

 

[Fennis]

My bottom 6 AKA Trump and below.

12. Trump

13. Perry

14 Huckabee

15. Santorum

16 Cruz

17 Carson

 

[Slapdash]

This election is going to be so awful. Crap on both sides with the exception of Bernie, whom is pretty far out there. Even Trump doesn't really seem worse than these guys...

 

[MaxThreshold]

Walker/Rubio is still the best ticket for the GOP. Lots of time for that to change

Why?

Im still trying to figure out if anyone can really give a reason why Walker would be a good candidate.

So far...being a winner and having a down to earth vibe are his best qualities.

What are you looking for?

Usually if someone is worth a vote for president...those supporting him would have some reasoning other than...he is a winner with a down to earth vibe.

Qualifications...why you think he may be a good president...things like that.

Its telling to me that I have asked this question multiple times...and have almost zero answers that would come close to qualifying someone to be president.

Again, what are YOU looking for?

It seems like you're going to eliminate reasons he's a good candidate one way or the other. So you don't like him - that doesn't discount the reasoning of others who do.

Because nobody can give a n actual reason he is qualified.

Several perfectly good and valid reasons have already been given. Just because YOU don't consider them "actual reasons" doesn't mean they aren't.

But, again, I suspect it's because you really won't accept ANY reasons because you just don't like Walker.

 

[MaxThreshold]

This GOP is very very close to losing me as a voter.

What issues would you like to see them emphasize?

Sanity.

This. Until they can get some sanity I dont see a GOP candidate winning the presidency. Republicans better start realizing this or the party could go bye bye.

Again, the problem with posts like this is that "sanity" basically means "whatever I believe in". And when it comes from liberals it's even more laughable because of the obvious bias.

 

[MaxThreshold]

Jeb Bush made an honest, realistic comment last night which may come back to bite him: although he disapproves of the Iran deal, he said that if elected he wouldn't get rid of it right away; he'd have to consider all options, discuss it with our allies, etc.

This is an entirely reasonable comment but it's not at all what Republicans want to hear and it makes him sound weak and tepid. Watch the other candidates gang up on him, especially during the upcoming debates, over this response.

That's a completely incorrect assumption.

 

[timschochet]

Jeb Bush made an honest, realistic comment last night which may come back to bite him: although he disapproves of the Iran deal, he said that if elected he wouldn't get rid of it right away; he'd have to consider all options, discuss it with our allies, etc.

This is an entirely reasonable comment but it's not at all what Republicans want to hear and it makes him sound weak and tepid. Watch the other candidates gang up on him, especially during the upcoming debates, over this response.

That's a completely incorrect assumption.

The almost unanimous reaction to the Iran deal, among Republicans, is that they hate it. You don't think they want candidates who promise to get rid of it ASAP?

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Jeb Bush made an honest, realistic comment last night which may come back to bite him: although he disapproves of the Iran deal, he said that if elected he wouldn't get rid of it right away; he'd have to consider all options, discuss it with our allies, etc.

This is an entirely reasonable comment but it's not at all what Republicans want to hear and it makes him sound weak and tepid. Watch the other candidates gang up on him, especially during the upcoming debates, over this response.

That's a completely incorrect assumption.

The almost unanimous reaction to the Iran deal, among Republicans, is that they hate it. You don't think they want candidates who promise to get rid of it ASAP?

Tim, you do realize that even those who support the deal believe by a slight majority that the Iranians won't comply with it, right?

28% of goppers support it, 38% of Indies support it, 39% of Demos oppose it or are not sure about it.

https://today.yougov.com/news/2015/07/17/americans-tend-favor-iran-deal-they-doubt-it-will-/

55% of Demos think Iran is a threat to the US. 61% of Demos are either not confident or not sure that the deal with prevent Iran from gaining nukes.

https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/yyvy5bd7mq/tabs_OPI_Iran_20150716.pdf

Even people in the administration are saying they just hope the deal will halt the Iranians from gaining nukes, and the president himself just said he "believes" the Iranians will comply. I'm overall in favor of the deal but it's got serious flaws.

 

[MaxThreshold]

Jeb Bush made an honest, realistic comment last night which may come back to bite him: although he disapproves of the Iran deal, he said that if elected he wouldn't get rid of it right away; he'd have to consider all options, discuss it with our allies, etc.

This is an entirely reasonable comment but it's not at all what Republicans want to hear and it makes him sound weak and tepid. Watch the other candidates gang up on him, especially during the upcoming debates, over this response.

That's a completely incorrect assumption.

The almost unanimous reaction to the Iran deal, among Republicans, is that they hate it. You don't think they want candidates who promise to get rid of it ASAP?

Of course they hate it because Obama basically gave them the house. However, I don't think this is high on anyone's list of issues for not voting for a candidate.

 

[timschochet]

Jeb Bush made an honest, realistic comment last night which may come back to bite him: although he disapproves of the Iran deal, he said that if elected he wouldn't get rid of it right away; he'd have to consider all options, discuss it with our allies, etc.

This is an entirely reasonable comment but it's not at all what Republicans want to hear and it makes him sound weak and tepid. Watch the other candidates gang up on him, especially during the upcoming debates, over this response.

That's a completely incorrect assumption.

The almost unanimous reaction to the Iran deal, among Republicans, is that they hate it. You don't think they want candidates who promise to get rid of it ASAP?

Tim, you do realize that even those who support the deal believe by a slight majority that the Iranians won't comply with it, right?

28% of goppers support it, 38% of Indies support it, 39% of Demos oppose it or are not sure about it.

https://today.yougov.com/news/2015/07/17/americans-tend-favor-iran-deal-they-doubt-it-will-/

55% of Demos think Iran is a threat to the US. 61% of Demos are either not confident or not sure that the deal with prevent Iran from gaining nukes.

https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/yyvy5bd7mq/tabs_OPI_Iran_20150716.pdf

Even people in the administration are saying they just hope the deal will halt the Iranians from gaining nukes, and the president himself just said he "believes" the Iranians will comply. I'm overall in favor of the deal but it's got serious flaws.

Im not discussing the merits of the deal in this thread, only the political ramifications for the GOP.

 

[timschochet]

Jeb Bush made an honest, realistic comment last night which may come back to bite him: although he disapproves of the Iran deal, he said that if elected he wouldn't get rid of it right away; he'd have to consider all options, discuss it with our allies, etc.

This is an entirely reasonable comment but it's not at all what Republicans want to hear and it makes him sound weak and tepid. Watch the other candidates gang up on him, especially during the upcoming debates, over this response.

That's a completely incorrect assumption.

The almost unanimous reaction to the Iran deal, among Republicans, is that they hate it. You don't think they want candidates who promise to get rid of it ASAP?

Of course they hate it because Obama basically gave them the house. However, I don't think this is high on anyone's list of issues for not voting for a candidate.

I think it will be a central issue discussed in the first few debates, and that Bush's statement will be used as an opening for more conservative candidates to attack him. That's my prediction; we'll see.

 

[Kal El]

Jeb Bush made an honest, realistic comment last night which may come back to bite him: although he disapproves of the Iran deal, he said that if elected he wouldn't get rid of it right away; he'd have to consider all options, discuss it with our allies, etc.

This is an entirely reasonable comment but it's not at all what Republicans want to hear and it makes him sound weak and tepid. Watch the other candidates gang up on him, especially during the upcoming debates, over this response.

That's a completely incorrect assumption.

The almost unanimous reaction to the Iran deal, among Republicans, is that they hate it. You don't think they want candidates who promise to get rid of it ASAP?

Of course they hate it because Obama basically gave them the house. However, I don't think this is high on anyone's list of issues for not voting for a candidate.

Agreed. Pretty much everyone believes that Iran can't be trusted any further than they can be thrown, so this is hardly a make-or-break issue.

 

[yak651]

I haven't studied Walker much, but I'd suggest that on at least one occasion in the past, he wasn't afraid to do what he believed was right for his constituency, despite the fact that it was unpopular. In my opinion, that's an important quality in an executive.

False...He supports what his handlers tell him to support. He wanted to get rid of the open records in this last budget, soon as people found out about it, he threw his senators under the bus and said he knew nothing about it. Whenever he gets called out on something he backtracks or said he didn't know about it, definitely doesn't stand up and take ownership for what "he believed in".

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Jeb Bush made an honest, realistic comment last night which may come back to bite him: although he disapproves of the Iran deal, he said that if elected he wouldn't get rid of it right away; he'd have to consider all options, discuss it with our allies, etc.

This is an entirely reasonable comment but it's not at all what Republicans want to hear and it makes him sound weak and tepid. Watch the other candidates gang up on him, especially during the upcoming debates, over this response.

That's a completely incorrect assumption.

The almost unanimous reaction to the Iran deal, among Republicans, is that they hate it. You don't think they want candidates who promise to get rid of it ASAP?

Tim, you do realize that even those who support the deal believe by a slight majority that the Iranians won't comply with it, right?

28% of goppers support it, 38% of Indies support it, 39% of Demos oppose it or are not sure about it.

https://today.yougov.com/news/2015/07/17/americans-tend-favor-iran-deal-they-doubt-it-will-/

55% of Demos think Iran is a threat to the US. 61% of Demos are either not confident or not sure that the deal with prevent Iran from gaining nukes.

https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/yyvy5bd7mq/tabs_OPI_Iran_20150716.pdf

Even people in the administration are saying they just hope the deal will halt the Iranians from gaining nukes, and the president himself just said he "believes" the Iranians will comply. I'm overall in favor of the deal but it's got serious flaws.

Im not discussing the merits of the deal in this thread, only the political ramifications for the GOP.

I was addressing your premise about "almost unanimous reaction." It hasn't been that for either party.

 

[MaxThreshold]

I haven't studied Walker much, but I'd suggest that on at least one occasion in the past, he wasn't afraid to do what he believed was right for his constituency, despite the fact that it was unpopular. In my opinion, that's an important quality in an executive.

False...He supports what his handlers tell him to support. He wanted to get rid of the open records in this last budget, soon as people found out about it, he threw his senators under the bus and said he knew nothing about it. Whenever he gets called out on something he backtracks or said he didn't know about it, definitely doesn't stand up and take ownership for what "he believed in".

Ahhh...FALSE.

No reports yet of who submitted that proposal in the budget. So blaming it on Walker is premature at best. And, they weren't going to "get rid of the open records" like you claim, just make it more restrictive.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Wowowowow.

Trump Attacks McCain for Being Prisoner of War: 'I Like People That Weren't Captured'"He's not a war hero," Trump, a Republican running for president, said of McCain. "I like people that weren’t captured. "He’s a war hero because he was captured. I like people that weren’t captured."

McCain, of course, was the Republican nominee for president in 2008.

In 1973, John McCain wrote a first-person account of being shot down over Vietnam and held in prison for over five years. You can read it here. Trump graduated from college in 1968, but avoided serving in Vietnam.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/trump-attacks-mccain-being-prisoner-war-i-people-werent-captured_993092.html?nopager=1

Trump has graduated from demagogue narcissist to a33h0le.

 

[krista4]

Wowowowow.

Trump Attacks McCain for Being Prisoner of War: 'I Like People That Weren't Captured'"He's not a war hero," Trump, a Republican running for president, said of McCain. "I like people that weren’t captured. "He’s a war hero because he was captured. I like people that weren’t captured."

McCain, of course, was the Republican nominee for president in 2008.

In 1973, John McCain wrote a first-person account of being shot down over Vietnam and held in prison for over five years. You can read it here. Trump graduated from college in 1968, but avoided serving in Vietnam.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/trump-attacks-mccain-being-prisoner-war-i-people-werent-captured_993092.html?nopager=1

Trump has graduated from demagogue narcissist to a33h0le.

That was incredible.

 

[QuizGuy66]

Wowowowow.

Trump Attacks McCain for Being Prisoner of War: 'I Like People That Weren't Captured'"He's not a war hero," Trump, a Republican running for president, said of McCain. "I like people that weren’t captured. "He’s a war hero because he was captured. I like people that weren’t captured."

McCain, of course, was the Republican nominee for president in 2008.

In 1973, John McCain wrote a first-person account of being shot down over Vietnam and held in prison for over five years. You can read it here. Trump graduated from college in 1968, but avoided serving in Vietnam.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/trump-attacks-mccain-being-prisoner-war-i-people-werent-captured_993092.html?nopager=1

Trump has graduated from demagogue narcissist to a33h0le.

That was incredible.

I shouldn't say I'm surprised that he said something that would totally destroy his numbers, but I am.

I like people who weren't captured. Might as well put that on Trump's tombstone.

-QG

 

[timschochet]

WILL it destroy his numbers? As I wrote in the other thread I certainly hope so.

But I have my doubts. Many of those who agree most with Trump about illegal immigration have no love whatsoever for John McCain...

 

[QuizGuy66]

WILL it destroy his numbers? As I wrote in the other thread I certainly hope so.

But I have my doubts. Many of those who agree most with Trump about illegal immigration have no love whatsoever for John McCain...

Yeah but it does do 2 things:

1) Highlights that he got out of Vietnam and he said so in an inartful Trumpian way.

2) Calls anyone who was a POW stupid for getting caught essentially - his comments went beyond McCain. He'll have a tough time with it.

-QG

 

[QuizGuy66]

Well maybe you're right looking at the comments section of his Facebook Post not apologizing:

https://www.facebook.com/DonaldTrump/posts/10155852371680725?_rdr=p

I will say I'm not surprised by his approach (Trump could murder someone on TV and wouldn't apologize, I am convinced). It will be interesting to see how it plays out though - it does give his opponents the kind of ammo they need. It's one thing for Trump to be offensive to a group that isn't strongly represented in the Republican party - it's quite another when he picks a group like POWs.

Anyway opocorn:

-QG

 

[QuizGuy66]

I've always seen Trump as a low ceiling and high floor guy. The question is whether this gaffe (and it is - can you imagine what the reaction would be if Biden had said this would be?) lowers that floor a bit.

-QG

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Well maybe you're right looking at the comments section of his Facebook Post not apologizing:

https://www.facebook.com/DonaldTrump/posts/10155852371680725?_rdr=p

I will say I'm not surprised by his approach (Trump could murder someone on TV and wouldn't apologize, I am convinced). It will be interesting to see how it plays out though - it does give his opponents the kind of ammo they need. It's one thing for Trump to be offensive to a group that isn't strongly represented in the Republican party - it's quite another when he picks a group like POWs.

Anyway opocorn:

-QG

well if you go by the comments under the post, Americans are still behind him

 

[QuizGuy66]

Right.

I was coming around to the point of the other post.

Guess it shouldn't surprised based on what they did with Kerry.

-QG

 

[SHIZNITTTT]

. for when Trump becomes GOP Presidential Candidate

 

[Johnnymac]

This GOP is very very close to losing me as a voter.

What issues would you like to see them emphasize?

Sanity.

This. Until they can get some sanity I dont see a GOP candidate winning the presidency. Republicans better start realizing this or the party could go bye bye.

Again, the problem with posts like this is that "sanity" basically means "whatever I believe in". And when it comes from liberals it's even more laughable because of the obvious bias.

Except I'm not a liberal.. I'm an independent, I think for myself.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

This GOP is very very close to losing me as a voter.

What issues would you like to see them emphasize?

Sanity.

This. Until they can get some sanity I dont see a GOP candidate winning the presidency. Republicans better start realizing this or the party could go bye bye.

Again, the problem with posts like this is that "sanity" basically means "whatever I believe in". And when it comes from liberals it's even more laughable because of the obvious bias.

Except I'm not a liberal.. I'm an independent, I think for myself.

johnnymac and yankee23fan have never been liberal. max just wants to perpetuate the us vs them mindset.

 

[Kal El]

Seriously, Trump is leading this group? He's on This Week, and he's making an ### of himself even more than usual. I want to punch him in his dumb stupid face.

 

[NorvilleBarnes]

I want to punch him in his dumb stupid face.

 

[MaxThreshold]

This GOP is very very close to losing me as a voter.

What issues would you like to see them emphasize?

Sanity.

This. Until they can get some sanity I dont see a GOP candidate winning the presidency. Republicans better start realizing this or the party could go bye bye.

Again, the problem with posts like this is that "sanity" basically means "whatever I believe in". And when it comes from liberals it's even more laughable because of the obvious bias.

Except I'm not a liberal.. I'm an independent, I think for myself.

I never said you were. I said "when it comes from a liberals" - you took it as an implication which it wasn't.

 

[MaxThreshold]

This GOP is very very close to losing me as a voter.

What issues would you like to see them emphasize?

Sanity.

This. Until they can get some sanity I dont see a GOP candidate winning the presidency. Republicans better start realizing this or the party could go bye bye.

Again, the problem with posts like this is that "sanity" basically means "whatever I believe in". And when it comes from liberals it's even more laughable because of the obvious bias.

Except I'm not a liberal.. I'm an independent, I think for myself.

johnnymac and yankee23fan have never been liberal. max just wants to perpetuate the us vs them mindset.

Wrong once again. See this post for proof.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Last time we had a pretty big turnover rate of crazies at the top of the poll, didn't we? Cain, Bachman, Santorum all had their time well ahead of anything that mattered at the top of the polls iirc.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Last time we had a pretty big turnover rate of crazies at the top of the poll, didn't we? Cain, Bachman, Santorum all had their time well ahead of anything that mattered at the top of the polls iirc.

I think Herman Cain was out front at this point too. But Trump is self-funded, has huge name recognition, and the network and cable news programs of all stripes are eating him up.