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Official 2016 GOP thread: Is it really going to be Donald Trump?? (3 Viewers)

Amused to Death said:
timschochet said:
Amused to Death said:
timschochet said:
Slapdash said:
This looks like a year to just write someone in. What a truly awful field of candidates, none of them are fit to lead the nation.
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It doesn't surprise me that you would write this, but it saddens me that many seem to agree with you.

Hillary Clinton, Jeb Bush, Scott Walker , Marco Rubio, John Kasich, and Chris Christie are all candidates with the necessary experience and gravitas to be President of the United States. Although I disagree with several of these (and Walker and Rubio scare me a little with their foreign policy pronouncements) I think that overall any of them would be a good President. I support Hillary because I believe she will be better than good; she will be excellent.

Anyone running who is not on the list I just mentioned does not, IMO, have the necessary experience and/or gravitas to be President.
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What do you see in Christie that you like? I've asked a few on here why they like him but I haven't gotten an answer. One thing's for sure, you won't find many people in NJ who like him for president. And I voted for him in his first election.
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From an outside perspective, I think he's done a pretty good job with New Jersey. I really liked how he handled Hurricane Sandy (in contrast to the Louisiana governor in 2005.) I also thought it was wise of him to try and tackle the pension issue- though that might hurt the state's economy in the short term, it should help it in the long term.

I'm not in love with Christie and I probably won't vote for him. But I do think he's qualified to be President.
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He handled the initial crisis well, but many people still have not received their money. He's completely botched the pension issue. First he passed a new law back in '11(?) and touted his ability to work towards fixing it - even used it as an example of how he can work with Dems. That deal included pubic workers increase their contribution, and they have. Now he says the State can't make its negotiated contributions and has reneged claiming his '11 law violates the State constitution. How convenient. Gets the workers to contribute more but can't pay his own share.

State's economy? NJ ranks 45th. One of the lowest states for job growth trailing both PA & NY. Our bond rating has been lowered a record 9 times under Christie - mostly due to his mishandling of the pensions.

NJ won an $8B judgement against Exxon Mobile, but he settled for $254 Mil. Remember the State's broke, but let the oil company off the hook.

Our transportation trust fund is broke but he won't do anything to address it (we have one of the lowest state gas tax in the country). Meanwhile we have bridges falling apart to the point they are being closed. There's an existing bridge in north Jersey that's been in design for replacement for years. I'll say 8 or more years in design. Keeps getting shut down due to lack of funding, then restarted for a bit, shut down again, etc. Last fall it was inspected again and immediately shut down because they were afraid it could no longer sustain the weight of a heavy snow plus the plow without collapsing onto the railroad below. The infrastructure in NJ is in bad shape and out of money. But candidate Christie needs to show he won't raise taxes, so nothing is done.

Christie made his reputation by hugging Obama and telling a teacher to sit down and shut up. Other than that, he's been useless.
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On the bright side he supports policies that prop up the prison industry.

 
Slapdash said:
This looks like a year to just write someone in. What a truly awful field of candidates, none of them are fit to lead the nation.
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I`m getting out of dodge before this whole #### house goes up in flames

 
timschochet said:
Slapdash said:
This looks like a year to just write someone in. What a truly awful field of candidates, none of them are fit to lead the nation.
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It doesn't surprise me that you would write this, but it saddens me that many seem to agree with you.

Hillary Clinton, Jeb Bush, Scott Walker , Marco Rubio, John Kasich, and Chris Christie are all candidates with the necessary experience and gravitas to be President of the United States. Although I disagree with several of these (and Walker and Rubio scare me a little with their foreign policy pronouncements) I think that overall any of them would be a good President.
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I can't take you seriously with Scott Walker in this list.

 
Well today Trump threatened to run as an independent.

Color me not shocked.

I think this is where this has been going, he can blow up the GOP now or blow up the GOP later.

We will see where this goes or if Trump fizzles away, but I don't think so. I think it's practically game over for the Clintons already.

 
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timschochet said:
Slapdash said:
This looks like a year to just write someone in. What a truly awful field of candidates, none of them are fit to lead the nation.
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It doesn't surprise me that you would write this, but it saddens me that many seem to agree with you.

Hillary Clinton, Jeb Bush, Scott Walker , Marco Rubio, John Kasich, and Chris Christie are all candidates with the necessary experience and gravitas to be President of the United States. Although I disagree with several of these (and Walker and Rubio scare me a little with their foreign policy pronouncements) I think that overall any of them would be a good President. I support Hillary because I believe she will be better than good; she will be excellent.

Anyone running who is not on the list I just mentioned does not, IMO, have the necessary experience and/or gravitas to be President.
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O'Malley and Sanders both have more experience and gravitas than Hillary. Webb has more experience if you include his extremely substantive military record and he has more gravitas than all of them.

Walker, Bush and Christie are 2 term governors - several GOP candidates have that, including Jindal, Pataki, Etc. Honestly there are so many Goppers with credentials like "experience" and "gravitas" it's hard to type them all out.

Not that I would vote for many of these but that criteria is wide open.

 
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SaintsInDome2006 said:
Well today Trump threatened to run as an independent.

Color me not shocked.

I think this is where this has been going, he can blow up the GOP now or blow up the GOP later.

We will see where this goes or if Trump fizzles away, but I don't think so. I think it's practically game over for the Clintons already.
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He won't go independent until after the first couple debates. If he does, he washes away into oblivion. We know he doesn't want that.

 
timschochet said:
Slapdash said:
This looks like a year to just write someone in. What a truly awful field of candidates, none of them are fit to lead the nation.
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It doesn't surprise me that you would write this, but it saddens me that many seem to agree with you.

Hillary Clinton, Jeb Bush, Scott Walker , Marco Rubio, John Kasich, and Chris Christie are all candidates with the necessary experience and gravitas to be President of the United States. Although I disagree with several of these (and Walker and Rubio scare me a little with their foreign policy pronouncements) I think that overall any of them would be a good President. I support Hillary because I believe she will be better than good; she will be excellent.

Anyone running who is not on the list I just mentioned does not, IMO, have the necessary experience and/or gravitas to be President.
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Kasich and Rubio are the only people on your list that would be a decent president, even though I do not like their policies.

Clinton and Bush are only riding on the coattails of the family members, I refuse to help carry forward either dynasty. Particularly given how bad their previous terms have been.

 
BigSteelThrill said:
timschochet said:
Todd Andrews said:
Thanks Obama/Trump!
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I suspect at least some of this are conservatives frustrated by the inaction and ineptness of the Republican Congress.
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Pew Research Center poll found that public opinion of the Republican Party is at is lowest level in the history of the poll.

The mass exposure and availability of information in this era is terrific.
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Which is fantastically awesome considering they hold historic levels of control over legislative and executive branches of gov't -- localities, state legislatures, Congress, state governorships, etc.

The brand is bad, but people aren't voting how they view the brand. Think of it as a Pauline Kael thing and potentially really bad self-reporting.

It's almost a cliched sport to hit a Republican like a pinata. The actual voting results show a crazy difference from the party affiliation numbers, which is troubling for R's, but might reveal even deeper fault lines for the Dems.

 
BigSteelThrill said:
:lmao:

You are being the definition of short sighted.
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Yeah, that may be true. I'm not hitching my star to defending the GOP. I'm merely suggesting that the numbers may read a lot differently and be less encouraging than one thinks if one is an ardent Democrat.

I'd be frustrated that my own party -- or the party I affiliate with -- has an historic level of ineptitude given the public's stated preference for my own party. That would really worry me about either the state of my party or the public's ability to self-report.

 
QuizGuy66 said:
More :bs: from our lying governor: http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/2015/07/christie_calls_for_more_tunnels_years_after_killing_arc_project.html#incart_2box_nj-homepage-featured

-QG
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Five years after he killed a tunnel project that would have doubled the rail capacity between New Jersey and Manhattan, Gov. Chris Christie said in a new interview that he would work out a fairer way to build more tunnels under the Hudson River if he were elected president.

Christie's comments come as riders this week suffered through four days of NJ Transit delays — caused by electrical problems at Amtrak's system near Penn Station in New York City.

The governor, who is running for the Republican nomination, was asked how he would fix the area's aging, crowded transportation system during a taped radio interview with conservative talk show host Larry Kudlow that will air on WABC-770 AM in New York on Saturday.

"Here's the way we fix it," Christie said. "If I am president of the United States, I call a meeting between the president, my secretary of transportation, the governor of New York, and the governor of New Jersey and say, 'Listen if we are all in this Even Steven, if we are all going to put in an equal share, then let's go build these tunnels under the Hudson River. And we're all in equal. We're in equal for the upfront costs. We're in equal for the cost overruns. Everyone has an incentive for the project to run right, to run efficiently, because everyone's on the hook.''"

There are currently two rail tunnels under the Hudson — both operated by Amtrak and leased by NJ Transit _ carrying more than 160,000 passengers a day. But the tunnels are more than a century old.

Amtrak CEO Joseph Boardman said last year that at least one of the two will have to be closed in "something less than 20 years."

For decades, lawmakers and officials discussed plans for new rail tunnels across the Hudson. Finally, then-Gov. Jon Corzine broke ground in 2009 on a $8.7 billion project called Access to the Region's Core — ARC for short — which would have added twice as many tunnels. It was to be funded by the federal government and the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey.

But New Jersey was responsible for all cost overruns, and fearing it would go billions of dollars over, Christie shut the project down in 2010. He called it a "dollars and cents issue," saying there was an "unacceptable level of risk and cost that was being asked to be borne by the taxpayers of the state of New Jersey."

Transportation advocates, politicians, and union leaders were both angered and baffled. Hudson County Executive Thomas DeGise called it "a devastating blow for our region."

And a report by independent Congressional investigators declared that Christie exaggerated the cost overruns, saying the range of estimates had remained unchanged in the two years before he announced he was cutting the project.

Still, in the interview set to air Saturday, Christie explained that he killed the ARC tunnel because "the federal government was contributing to it, the state of New Jersey was contributing to it, and the state or city of New York was contributing nothing."

"And New Jersey was going to be responsible for every nickel of cost overruns, which at that time was estimated to be three to five billion dollars," he told WABC.

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Well Chris if you didn't let Exxon off the hook for several billion.......Oh yeah, they contributed to your campaign. Just telling it like it is, right Chris?

 
LOL didn't even think of the comparable to Exxon and the fact that the number he deplored was less. Then again this guy attacks superindent salaries (ultimately a local decision if you ask me) while campaigning around the country on the back of taxpayers (at least Walker is - whether by arrangement or because required by law - reimbursing the people of Wisconsin).

-QG

 
NJ's economy and job creation is among the worst in the nation and he kills off almost $9B in transportation construction. Think that could have created some jobs? Like, 1000's? Not to mention that was all federal funding that NJ didn't get due to Christie. Him president? No thanks.

 
Amused to Death said:
NJ's economy and job creation is among the worst in the nation and he kills off almost $9B in transportation construction. Think that could have created some jobs? Like, 1000's? Not to mention that was all federal funding that NJ didn't get due to Christie. Him president? No thanks.
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maybe he's just trying to save the environment. maybe people won't drive their cars so much if the roads are ####. Maybe he should get some credit instead? Stop being a glass half empty guy.

 
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MaxThreshold said:
Amused to Death said:
NJ's economy and job creation is among the worst in the nation and he kills off almost $9B in transportation construction. Think that could have created some jobs? Like, 1000's? Not to mention that was all federal funding that NJ didn't get due to Christie. Him president? No thanks.
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maybe he's just trying to save the environment. maybe people won't drive their cars so much if the roads are ####. Maybe he should get some credit instead? Stop being a glass half empty guy.
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The glass has been painted to look half empty - there's a hole in the bottom of it.

-QG

 
Amused to Death said:
NJ's economy and job creation is among the worst in the nation and he kills off almost $9B in transportation construction. Think that could have created some jobs? Like, 1000's? Not to mention that was all federal funding that NJ didn't get due to Christie. Him president? No thanks.
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:rolleyes:

He'll do better once he's POTUS

 
More Christie shenanigans:

"NJ Transit commuters were victimized by nearly an entire week of extreme delays and cancellations for one reason only: Amtrak's indifference to New Jersey commuters and its abject neglect of the infrastructure that New Jersey and our entire region relies upon," Christie, a Republican candidate for president, said in a statement Friday. "We have tried again and again to work cooperatively with Amtrak to resolve these issues."

I get a kick out of him saying the delays are due to Amtrak's neglect of our infrastructure. Such a freaking hypocrite. Um, Chris - I know you don't spend much time here in your home state these days, but have you seen the condition of our overall infrastructure? The one you're in charge of? Its broke - please fix it! Sadly these days the needs of NJ are secondary to his White House aspirations. The comments section is worth reading if you want to get a good feel for how the people of NJ feel about him.

 
joffer said:
Billionaire brothers give Cruz super PAC $15M

http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/25/politics/ted-cruz-wilks-brothers/index.html

This is what we've become. Someone just gave this lunatic $15 million.
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Shocker here, fellas:

"Our country was founded on the idea that our rights come from the Creator, not the government. I'm afraid we're losing that," Farris Wilks, a 63-year-old pastor in the small town of Cisco, said in a statement to CNN. "Unless we elect a principled conservative leader ready to stand up for our values, we'll look back on what once was the land of opportunity and pass on a less prosperous nation to our children and grandchildren. That's why we need Ted Cruz."[. . .]

"We need a true leader in Washington," Farris' younger brother, Dan, 59, said in the statement. "A leader that will stand up for biblical morals. We need a leader who is proud of America, not one who apologizes for us. We need a leader who encourages hard work, not one who tells people who don't work that they should make the same living as people who do. We need a leader who will make sure America doesn't end up a socialist nation."
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Steve Tasker said:
joffer said:
Billionaire brothers give Cruz super PAC $15M

http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/25/politics/ted-cruz-wilks-brothers/index.html

This is what we've become. Someone just gave this lunatic $15 million.
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Shocker here, fellas:

"Our country was founded on the idea that our rights come from the Creator, not the government. I'm afraid we're losing that," Farris Wilks, a 63-year-old pastor in the small town of Cisco, said in a statement to CNN. "Unless we elect a principled conservative leader ready to stand up for our values, we'll look back on what once was the land of opportunity and pass on a less prosperous nation to our children and grandchildren. That's why we need Ted Cruz."[. . .]

"We need a true leader in Washington," Farris' younger brother, Dan, 59, said in the statement. "A leader that will stand up for biblical morals. We need a leader who is proud of America, not one who apologizes for us. We need a leader who encourages hard work, not one who tells people who don't work that they should make the same living as people who do. We need a leader who will make sure America doesn't end up a socialist nation."
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I just can't wrap my head around the way these people think.

 
Johnnymac said:
Steve Tasker said:
joffer said:
Billionaire brothers give Cruz super PAC $15M

http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/25/politics/ted-cruz-wilks-brothers/index.html

This is what we've become. Someone just gave this lunatic $15 million.
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Shocker here, fellas:

"Our country was founded on the idea that our rights come from the Creator, not the government. I'm afraid we're losing that," Farris Wilks, a 63-year-old pastor in the small town of Cisco, said in a statement to CNN. "Unless we elect a principled conservative leader ready to stand up for our values, we'll look back on what once was the land of opportunity and pass on a less prosperous nation to our children and grandchildren. That's why we need Ted Cruz."[. . .]

"We need a true leader in Washington," Farris' younger brother, Dan, 59, said in the statement. "A leader that will stand up for biblical morals. We need a leader who is proud of America, not one who apologizes for us. We need a leader who encourages hard work, not one who tells people who don't work that they should make the same living as people who do. We need a leader who will make sure America doesn't end up a socialist nation."
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I just can't wrap my head around the way these people think.
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I'm lost with anyone who appear to put social issues over economic and foreign policy issues; that eliminates guys like Huckabee and Santorum.

 
timschochet said:
21 pages and we haven't even gotten to the first debate yet. This thread is going to be awesome.
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I don't think I've ever been as excited about a debate as the one coming up. Maybe Palin-Biden but I don't think so. Trump is magical. Really hoping Christie and Perry grab the last two spots because they'll be way more fun than the other alternatives (Kasich, Santorum, Jindal, Fiorina).

 
fatguyinalittlecoat said:
timschochet said:
21 pages and we haven't even gotten to the first debate yet. This thread is going to be awesome.
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I don't think I've ever been as excited about a debate as the one coming up. Maybe Palin-Biden but I don't think so. Trump is magical. Really hoping Christie and Perry grab the last two spots because they'll be way more fun than the other alternatives (Kasich, Santorum, Jindal, Fiorina).
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Perry has helped himself with the attacks on Trump. That was smart. I think Christie will get in.

Jindal just can't get the media to notice him no matter what he does.

 
wdcrob said:
Is there a Hunger Games competition to get the viewers' attention? Or do they all sit back and let Trump implode? What's the right approach in a 10-way debate with a couple loose cannons?
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I think it depends on who you are. A guy like Cruz is just gonna sit back and try to look smart. He's got enough money and support to hang around for a while and he's hoping to grab a big chunk of the Trump support if and when Trump flames out. I think the more marginal candidates like Rick Perry are likely to be more aggressive. He's struggling just to stay in the conversation, he needs to try to stand out.

With that said, I don't know how disciplined these guys can be. I can't remember ever seeing a debate where the leading candidate was calling all the other guys "dummy" and "loser." Things could get weird.

 
fatguyinalittlecoat said:
wdcrob said:
Is there a Hunger Games competition to get the viewers' attention? Or do they all sit back and let Trump implode? What's the right approach in a 10-way debate with a couple loose cannons?
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I think it depends on who you are. A guy like Cruz is just gonna sit back and try to look smart. He's got enough money and support to hang around for a while and he's hoping to grab a big chunk of the Trump support if and when Trump flames out. I think the more marginal candidates like Rick Perry are likely to be more aggressive. He's struggling just to stay in the conversation, he needs to try to stand out.

With that said, I don't know how disciplined these guys can be. I can't remember ever seeing a debate where the leading candidate was calling all the other guys "dummy" and "loser." Things could get weird.
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Nixon was calling Kennedy a dumb ###### lover, Jew ******* ####. We just didn't know about it:

 
timschochet said:
fatguyinalittlecoat said:
timschochet said:
21 pages and we haven't even gotten to the first debate yet. This thread is going to be awesome.
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I don't think I've ever been as excited about a debate as the one coming up. Maybe Palin-Biden but I don't think so. Trump is magical. Really hoping Christie and Perry grab the last two spots because they'll be way more fun than the other alternatives (Kasich, Santorum, Jindal, Fiorina).
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Perry has helped himself with the attacks on Trump. That was smart. I think Christie will get in.

Jindal just can't get the media to notice him no matter what he does.
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How about an exorcism? That will garner some attention.

 
timschochet said:
Huckabee: with the Iran deal, Obama is "marching Israel to the doors of the ovens!"
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The ADL is against it.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/jewish-groups-gird-for-epic-battle-over-iran-deal/2015/07/17/c5ff0f2c-2bf6-11e5-a5ea-cf74396e59ec_story.html

Aside from JStreet, are any Jewish groups actually for the deal. They are the ones closest to the line here. As part of this we are releasing sanctions on ballistic missile technology, nukes aren't even needed for that.

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
timschochet said:
Huckabee: with the Iran deal, Obama is "marching Israel to the doors of the ovens!"
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The ADL is against it.http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/jewish-groups-gird-for-epic-battle-over-iran-deal/2015/07/17/c5ff0f2c-2bf6-11e5-a5ea-cf74396e59ec_story.html

Aside from JStreet, are any Jewish groups actually for the deal. They are the ones closest to the line here. As part of this we are releasing sanctions on ballistic missile technology, nukes aren't even needed for that.
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The ADL has condemned Huckabee's comments. So has Hillary; she says she is personally offended.
 
timschochet said:
SaintsInDome2006 said:
timschochet said:
Huckabee: with the Iran deal, Obama is "marching Israel to the doors of the ovens!"
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The ADL is against it.http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/jewish-groups-gird-for-epic-battle-over-iran-deal/2015/07/17/c5ff0f2c-2bf6-11e5-a5ea-cf74396e59ec_story.html

Aside from JStreet, are any Jewish groups actually for the deal. They are the ones closest to the line here. As part of this we are releasing sanctions on ballistic missile technology, nukes aren't even needed for that.
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The ADL has condemned Huckabee's comments. So has Hillary; she says she is personally offended.
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When I said "it" I meant the Iran deal.

 
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As for Huck's comments it's ugly stuff but let's face it ISIL is an example of how there are people who think like that. They seriously want to do it, that is not a joke. And they view Israel and Palestine as part of the Levante, which they are right now trying to fully conquer. Does anyone seriously believe that like minded people as to Israel do not exist in the Iranian government? The deal is a different issue, it might be the best thing and can help stop Iran, maybe, but let's face it that was not an exaggeration of the ideology of some.

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
As for Huck's comments it's ugly stuff but let's face it ISIL is an example of how there are people who think like that. They seriously want to do it, that is not a joke. And they view Israel and Palestine as part of the Levante, which they are right now trying to fully conquer. Does anyone seriously believe that like minded people as to Israel do not exist in the Iranian government? The deal is a different issue, it might be the best thing and can help stop Iran, maybe, but let's face it that was not an exaggeration of the ideology of some.
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The only reason Huckabee made that comment is to draw attention ahead of the first debate. He should be safe for the first Fox debate, but making an insane statement should draw some media reaction to him. I can only assume guys like Perry and Graham will have more off the wall comments in the upcoming days.

 
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