Official 2016 GOP thread: Is it really going to be Donald Trump?? (3 Viewers)

[SaintsInDome2006]

Saints you just wrote that Trump will definitely win Iowa and New Hampshire. I don't believe he will come close to winning either.

You're right, that was too strong to say 'definitely' but 'won't come close' is too strong too.

 

[skol asylum]

Did the Onion somehow get CNN to post one of their stories?

http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/04/politics/charles-koch-cronyism-corporate-welfare/

The Koch brothers and their friends are going to spend close to a billion dollars on this election and want nothing in return. Uh huh.

 

[timschochet]

Scott Walker was asked this weekend whether or not Obama is a Christian: "I really don't know."

 

[roadkill1292]

Scott Walker was asked this weekend whether or not Obama is a Christian: "I really don't know."

Asked by whom? Let's stop asking this question.

 

[whoknew]

Scott Walker was asked this weekend whether or not Obama is a Christian: "I really don't know."

I think that's a fair answer. I don't really know either, though I suspect Obama's Christianity is mostly because, sadly, he still has to act like a Christian to get elected. Obviously only a few people know for sure, but I don't think he's particularly religious.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Scott Walker was asked this weekend whether or not Obama is a Christian: "I really don't know."

I think that's a fair answer. I don't really know either, though I suspect Obama's Christianity is mostly because, sadly, he still has to act like a Christian to get elected. Obviously only a few people know for sure, but I don't think he's particularly religious.

Is the pope a Christian?

How do you know?

 

[Amused to Death]

Scott Walker was asked this weekend whether or not Obama is a Christian: "I really don't know."

Asked by whom? Let's stop asking this question.

Does it even matter in a government that does not endorse one religion over another? Its a private matter.

 

[joffer]

Scott Walker was asked this weekend whether or not Obama is a Christian: "I really don't know."

perfectly good answer. I'd add "why are you asking me? Ask him if it matters to you"

 

[ffldrew]

I caught Rubio taking a legalize marijuana question into people hooked on Opiates and a Heroin problem. Does he know that Oxy abuse is down in Colorado now that weed is legal?- and he's been the Senator of the state that leads the nation in Oxy fake prescriptions? You would think he would be smarter and listen to more practical solutions rather than the knee jerk stuff spouted by the prohibition crew.

And I gather that he and all the other idiots on the GOP side are of similar thought

 

[whoknew]

Scott Walker was asked this weekend whether or not Obama is a Christian: "I really don't know."

I think that's a fair answer. I don't really know either, though I suspect Obama's Christianity is mostly because, sadly, he still has to act like a Christian to get elected. Obviously only a few people know for sure, but I don't think he's particularly religious.

Is the pope a Christian?

How do you know?

I mean, again, obviously I am not 100% sure. But he certainly talks about Jesus a lot. And goes to church a lot. And otherwise holds himself out as being overtly Christian.

 

[timschochet]

The reason it's a fair question, IMO, is because a poll taken last year suggested that 54% of all Republicans believe that Obama is secretly a Muslim, while another 29% is not sure. Those are pretty depressing numbers. (if anyone wants a link, I got those numbers from a Dana Millbank article that is featured today at Real Clear Politics).

So I think Walker's answer is political, just like his comment earlier this year that he didn't know if evolution was real. He's playing to the worst part of the Republican base, and it's depressing.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Scott Walker was asked this weekend whether or not Obama is a Christian: "I really don't know."

I think that's a fair answer. I don't really know either, though I suspect Obama's Christianity is mostly because, sadly, he still has to act like a Christian to get elected. Obviously only a few people know for sure, but I don't think he's particularly religious.

Is the pope a Christian?

How do you know?

I mean, again, obviously I am not 100% sure. But he certainly talks about Jesus a lot. And goes to church a lot. And otherwise holds himself out as being overtly Christian.

Cool. So just like Obama, except he name-drops more and attends services more frequently.

How about if we just let people define themselves as members of a religion if they choose to do so? Why is that problematic? Seems like a matter of courtesy and basic human decency to me.

 

[whoknew]

Scott Walker was asked this weekend whether or not Obama is a Christian: "I really don't know."

I think that's a fair answer. I don't really know either, though I suspect Obama's Christianity is mostly because, sadly, he still has to act like a Christian to get elected. Obviously only a few people know for sure, but I don't think he's particularly religious.

Is the pope a Christian?

How do you know?

I mean, again, obviously I am not 100% sure. But he certainly talks about Jesus a lot. And goes to church a lot. And otherwise holds himself out as being overtly Christian.

Cool. So just like Obama, except he name-drops more and attends services more frequently.

How about if we just let people define themselves as members of a religion if they choose to do so? Why is that problematic? Seems like a matter of courtesy and basic human decency to me.

I don't understand. I don't really give a #### what Obama is or what he says he is. (Actually, that's not entirely true - I hope he's an atheist. I'd prefer religion did not have any influence on his decision making).

But just because I don't really care what he is doesn't mean I can't speculate on what he really believes when the cameras are off. Why wouldn't I speculate on that? I'm not running for President. I'm just a schmo on a message board.

ETA: And I don't have any problem with Scott Walker responding this way - unless Tim is right and he really believes/is pandering to people who think he's a muslim. Then that's just ignorant and racist.

 

[Amused to Death]

The reason it's a fair question, IMO, is because a poll taken last year suggested that 54% of all Republicans believe that Obama is secretly a Muslim, while another 29% is not sure. Those are pretty depressing numbers. (if anyone wants a link, I got those numbers from a Dana Millbank article that is featured today at Real Clear Politics).

So I think Walker's answer is political, just like his comment earlier this year that he didn't know if evolution was real. He's playing to the worst part of the Republican base, and it's depressing.

I agree that with today's GOP that's a legit question. The sad part is that they do consider it legit because they still want to inject religion into our politics. That question should be as relevant as "what's your favorite vegetable?"

 

[fatguyinalittlecoat]

Shouldn't the reporter's follow up be "are you a Christian? How can we know for sure?"

 

[jamny]

It's amazing. All these candidates and I can't find one I would confidently vote for.

 

[timschochet]

I didn't think abortion should be a major topic this time around, but since it apparently is, the question I would ask all of the candidates on Thursday is:

"If the House of Representatives carries out their threat to shut down the government in September rather than to allow a budget extension that continues to fund Planned Parenthood, do you approve of and endorse this action?"

We already that Fiorina said yes. Let's get the rest of these guys on record.

 

[roadkill1292]

The reason it's a fair question, IMO, is because a poll taken last year suggested that 54% of all Republicans believe that Obama is secretly a Muslim, while another 29% is not sure. Those are pretty depressing numbers. (if anyone wants a link, I got those numbers from a Dana Millbank article that is featured today at Real Clear Politics).

So I think Walker's answer is political, just like his comment earlier this year that he didn't know if evolution was real. He's playing to the worst part of the Republican base, and it's depressing.

I agree that with today's GOP that's a legit question. The sad part is that they do consider it legit because they still want to inject religion into our politics. That question should be as relevant as "what's your favorite vegetable?"

We need to start treating candidates like they're on a job interview. No more asking their religious beliefs; we should be asking how they'd address policy questions. If they want to volunteer their religious views, well, that would give us a chance to assess their work perspectives and ability to lead the team (where I live this would not be a positive sign from a job applicant).

I know full well this is not currently realistic. But the job starts now.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Scott Walker was asked this weekend whether or not Obama is a Christian: "I really don't know."

I think that's a fair answer. I don't really know either, though I suspect Obama's Christianity is mostly because, sadly, he still has to act like a Christian to get elected. Obviously only a few people know for sure, but I don't think he's particularly religious.

Is the pope a Christian?

How do you know?

I mean, again, obviously I am not 100% sure. But he certainly talks about Jesus a lot. And goes to church a lot. And otherwise holds himself out as being overtly Christian.

Cool. So just like Obama, except he name-drops more and attends services more frequently.

How about if we just let people define themselves as members of a religion if they choose to do so? Why is that problematic? Seems like a matter of courtesy and basic human decency to me.

I don't understand. I don't really give a #### what Obama is or what he says he is. (Actually, that's not entirely true - I hope he's an atheist. I'd prefer religion did not have any influence on his decision making).

But just because I don't really care what he is doesn't mean I can't speculate on what he really believes when the cameras are off. Why wouldn't I speculate on that? I'm not running for President. I'm just a schmo on a message board.

ETA: And I don't have any problem with Scott Walker responding this way - unless Tim is right and he really believes/is pandering to people who think he's a muslim. Then that's just ignorant and racist.

You're welcome to speculate on a message board, that's fine. The problem is people like Walker not taking other people at their word on matters like these. The sort of logic he employed- that you need to have a personal conversation and/or know what's in someone's heart before you can accept their own description of their beliefs- opens the door to all kinds of dirty pool.

For example: is Scott Walker a Satan worshipper? Here's Walker's answer to the Obama question, with slight edits to make it responsive to this question instead:

“I don’t know. I presume he isn't. … But I’ve never asked him about that. As someone who is not a believer myself, I don’t presume to know someone’s beliefs about whether they follow Satan or not unless I’ve actually talked with them.”

 

[timschochet]

Next question: "If the House of Representatives in October refuses to increase the debt ceiling unless President Obama accepts a repeal of Obamacare, will you approve this?"

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

The reason it's a fair question, IMO, is because a poll taken last year suggested that 54% of all Republicans believe that Obama is secretly a Muslim, while another 29% is not sure. Those are pretty depressing numbers. (if anyone wants a link, I got those numbers from a Dana Millbank article that is featured today at Real Clear Politics).

So I think Walker's answer is political, just like his comment earlier this year that he didn't know if evolution was real. He's playing to the worst part of the Republican base, and it's depressing.

The governor is flirting with a significant segment of the Republican primary electorate: those who have peddled the notion (accepted by 17 percent of Americans at the end of Obama’s first term) that Obama is a Muslim.

- Milbank, WaPo article

This was a Pew poll that saw the Christian/Muslim number go from 47/12 to 34/18 between 2008 and 2010.

But even among many of his supporters and allies, less than half now say Obama is a Christian. Among Democrats, for instance, 46% say Obama is a Christian, down from 55% in March 2009.

http://www.pewforum.org/2010/08/18/growing-number-of-americans-say-obama-is-a-muslim/

That's not a really strong number.

And I'm not supporting this line of reasoning but it's a lousy point in this instance. And one of the people most responsible for this line is Sidney Blumenthal who floated it on behalf of Hillary with his mainstream media contacts in 2007-08. And even Obama supporters like Nicholas Kristoff who went out of his way to portray Obama's global reach by highlighting his muslim connections, which btw Obama would do as well after he became president. There's no shame in that, but you can't promote it and decry it at the same time.

 

[QuizGuy66]

Ew

http://www.businessinsider.com/chris-christie-birth-control-rhythm-method-2015-8

:X

-QG

 

[sho nuff]

Scott Walker was asked this weekend whether or not Obama is a Christian: "I really don't know."

Didn't that already happen months ago?

 

[sho nuff]

Scott Walker was asked this weekend whether or not Obama is a Christian: "I really don't know."

perfectly good answer. I'd add "why are you asking me? Ask him if it matters to you"

Dumb question sure...but the answer is dumb...he leaves it that way purposefully to keep up the notion that Obama practices Islam.

Trap question...and Walker gave the answer that will give the soundbite.

And again...pretty sure he had fallen for it before.

 

[RBM]

Hey Tim, you get as worked up at the people who think Obama is not really religious but just says he is to get votes as you do with the people who think he's a Muslim?

 

[Ookie Pringle]

Scott Walker was asked this weekend whether or not Obama is a Christian: "I really don't know."

Didn't that already happen months ago?

He was asked this weekend about it again. Here is his response.

“You’re not going to get a different answer than I said before,” Walker said toward the end of a Q&A session moderated by Politico’s Mike Allen. Walker said he’s never asked Obama about his faith. “As someone who is a believer myself, I don’t presume to know someone’s beliefs about whether they follow Christ or not unless I’ve actually talked with him.”

 

[TobiasFunke]

The reason it's a fair question, IMO, is because a poll taken last year suggested that 54% of all Republicans believe that Obama is secretly a Muslim, while another 29% is not sure. Those are pretty depressing numbers. (if anyone wants a link, I got those numbers from a Dana Millbank article that is featured today at Real Clear Politics).

So I think Walker's answer is political, just like his comment earlier this year that he didn't know if evolution was real. He's playing to the worst part of the Republican base, and it's depressing.

The governor is flirting with a significant segment of the Republican primary electorate: those who have peddled the notion (accepted by 17 percent of Americans at the end of Obama’s first term) that Obama is a Muslim.

- Milbank, WaPo article

This was a Pew poll that saw the Christian/Muslim number go from 47/12 to 34/18 between 2008 and 2010.

But even among many of his supporters and allies, less than half now say Obama is a Christian. Among Democrats, for instance, 46% say Obama is a Christian, down from 55% in March 2009.

http://www.pewforum.org/2010/08/18/growing-number-of-americans-say-obama-is-a-muslim/

That's not a really strong number.

And I'm not supporting this line of reasoning but it's a lousy point in this instance. And one of the people most responsible for this line is Sidney Blumenthal who floated it on behalf of Hillary with his mainstream media contacts in 2007-08. And even Obama supporters like Nicholas Kristoff who went out of his way to portray Obama's global reach by highlighting his muslim connections, which btw Obama would do as well after he became president. There's no shame in that, but you can't promote it and decry it at the same time.

Wut

 

[sho nuff]

Scott Walker was asked this weekend whether or not Obama is a Christian: "I really don't know."

Didn't that already happen months ago?

He was asked this weekend about it again. Here is his response.

“You’re not going to get a different answer than I said before,” Walker said toward the end of a Q&A session moderated by Politico’s Mike Allen. Walker said he’s never asked Obama about his faith. “As someone who is a believer myself, I don’t presume to know someone’s beliefs about whether they follow Christ or not unless I’ve actually talked with him.”

See...now that full answer sounds much better.

I guess he learned a little from the first time.

 

[sho nuff]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pCgjd-Ta24

This was funny though...

 

[Snoopy]

Scott Walker was asked this weekend whether or not Obama is a Christian: "I really don't know."

I think that's a fair answer. I don't really know either, though I suspect Obama's Christianity is mostly because, sadly, he still has to act like a Christian to get elected. Obviously only a few people know for sure, but I don't think he's particularly religious.

Is the pope a Christian?

How do you know?

I mean, again, obviously I am not 100% sure. But he certainly talks about Jesus a lot. And goes to church a lot. And otherwise holds himself out as being overtly Christian.

There are members of the Republican Christian-right base who don't believe Catholics are true Christians

 

[rockaction]

I think the problem is that when you go to a church that prides itself on politics, revivalism, and screaming "### #### America" over and over, you can safely bet the fidelity of your ### to a particular set of beliefs will get questioned unless a bunch of hacks are in the media waiting to bait other idiots on your behalf.

And joffer's statement up above was probably the best one, IMO. I keep agreeing with this guy lately for some reason. Perhaps we can unite and support Gary Johnson's utile self in '16.

 

[rockaction]

Scott Walker was asked this weekend whether or not Obama is a Christian: "I really don't know."

I think that's a fair answer. I don't really know either, though I suspect Obama's Christianity is mostly because, sadly, he still has to act like a Christian to get elected. Obviously only a few people know for sure, but I don't think he's particularly religious.

Is the pope a Christian?

How do you know?

I mean, again, obviously I am not 100% sure. But he certainly talks about Jesus a lot. And goes to church a lot. And otherwise holds himself out as being overtly Christian.

There are members of the Republican Christian-right base who don't believe Catholics are true Christians

This is also true.

And probably because any Catholic worth his salt is a Democrat, by and large.

(I am a lapsed one, so I vote Republican).

 

[Ookie Pringle]

Scott Walker was asked this weekend whether or not Obama is a Christian: "I really don't know."

I think that's a fair answer. I don't really know either, though I suspect Obama's Christianity is mostly because, sadly, he still has to act like a Christian to get elected. Obviously only a few people know for sure, but I don't think he's particularly religious.

Is the pope a Christian?

How do you know?

I mean, again, obviously I am not 100% sure. But he certainly talks about Jesus a lot. And goes to church a lot. And otherwise holds himself out as being overtly Christian.

There are members of the Republican Christian-right base who don't believe Catholics are true Christians

This is also true.

And probably because any Catholic worth his salt is a Democrat, by and large.

(I am a lapsed one, so I vote Republican).

Why would any Catholic worth his salt be a Democrat? So they can help support the Pro-Choice movement? I know a lot of devout Catholics that are Republican.

 

[sho nuff]

Scott Walker was asked this weekend whether or not Obama is a Christian: "I really don't know."

I think that's a fair answer. I don't really know either, though I suspect Obama's Christianity is mostly because, sadly, he still has to act like a Christian to get elected. Obviously only a few people know for sure, but I don't think he's particularly religious.

Is the pope a Christian?

How do you know?

I mean, again, obviously I am not 100% sure. But he certainly talks about Jesus a lot. And goes to church a lot. And otherwise holds himself out as being overtly Christian.

There are members of the Republican Christian-right base who don't believe Catholics are true Christians

This is also true.

And probably because any Catholic worth his salt is a Democrat, by and large.

(I am a lapsed one, so I vote Republican).

Why would any Catholic worth his salt be a Democrat? So they can help support the Pro-Choice movement? I know a lot of devout Catholics that are Republican.

There is still the notion that Catholics are so liberal.

There are parts of the faith that would support a more liberal social policy...but others that lean right.

 

[rockaction]

Scott Walker was asked this weekend whether or not Obama is a Christian: "I really don't know."

I think that's a fair answer. I don't really know either, though I suspect Obama's Christianity is mostly because, sadly, he still has to act like a Christian to get elected. Obviously only a few people know for sure, but I don't think he's particularly religious.

Is the pope a Christian?

How do you know?

I mean, again, obviously I am not 100% sure. But he certainly talks about Jesus a lot. And goes to church a lot. And otherwise holds himself out as being overtly Christian.

There are members of the Republican Christian-right base who don't believe Catholics are true Christians

This is also true.

And probably because any Catholic worth his salt is a Democrat, by and large.

(I am a lapsed one, so I vote Republican).

Why would any Catholic worth his salt be a Democrat? So they can help support the Pro-Choice movement? I know a lot of devout Catholics that are Republican.

It's an off-handed comment about traditional Catholics. Before 1980, there were very few Catholics ever voting R. If you did have a Catholic R, it was rare. Not only were the waves of immigrants disposed socially to vote D because of the Republican WASP-yness, the economic programs that Democrats espoused tended to favor the first and second generations of immigrants. It's really an old joke I made, and probably not best served on a message board. It's an inner-city white thing.

William F. Buckley, Jr., was a notable exception, and changed things.

 

[sho nuff]

It's an off-handed comment about traditional Catholics. Before 1980, there were very few Catholics ever voting R. If you did have a Catholic R, it was rare. Not only were the waves of immigrants disposed socially to vote D because of the Republican WASP-yness, the economic programs that Democrats espoused tended to favor the first and second generations of immigrants. It's really an old joke I made, and probably not best served on a message board. It's an inner-city white thing.

Buckley was a notable exception, and changed things.

Ummm...you may be thinking too much about the northeast.

 

[rockaction]

It's an off-handed comment about traditional Catholics. Before 1980, there were very few Catholics ever voting R. If you did have a Catholic R, it was rare. Not only were the waves of immigrants disposed socially to vote D because of the Republican WASP-yness, the economic programs that Democrats espoused tended to favor the first and second generations of immigrants. It's really an old joke I made, and probably not best served on a message board. It's an inner-city white thing.

Buckley was a notable exception, and changed things.

Ummm...you may be thinking too much about the northeast.

Yes. I agree with this. Maryland and the mid-Atlantic, too.

 

[joffer]

I think the problem is that when you go to a church that prides itself on politics, revivalism, and screaming "### #### America" over and over, you can safely bet the fidelity of your ### to a particular set of beliefs will get questioned unless a bunch of hacks are in the media waiting to bait other idiots on your behalf.

And joffer's statement up above was probably the best one, IMO. I keep agreeing with this guy lately for some reason. Perhaps we can unite and support Gary Johnson's utile self in '16.

Gary ####ing Johnson!

 

[Bucky86]

JFC Has this been posted yet?

 

[QuizGuy66]

JFC Has this been posted yet?

https://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?/topic/726646-official-2016-gop-thread/page-23#entry18233832

-QG

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

The reason it's a fair question, IMO, is because a poll taken last year suggested that 54% of all Republicans believe that Obama is secretly a Muslim, while another 29% is not sure. Those are pretty depressing numbers. (if anyone wants a link, I got those numbers from a Dana Millbank article that is featured today at Real Clear Politics).

So I think Walker's answer is political, just like his comment earlier this year that he didn't know if evolution was real. He's playing to the worst part of the Republican base, and it's depressing.

The governor is flirting with a significant segment of the Republican primary electorate: those who have peddled the notion (accepted by 17 percent of Americans at the end of Obama’s first term) that Obama is a Muslim.

- Milbank, WaPo article

This was a Pew poll that saw the Christian/Muslim number go from 47/12 to 34/18 between 2008 and 2010.

But even among many of his supporters and allies, less than half now say Obama is a Christian. Among Democrats, for instance, 46% say Obama is a Christian, down from 55% in March 2009.

http://www.pewforum.org/2010/08/18/growing-number-of-americans-say-obama-is-a-muslim/

That's not a really strong number.

And I'm not supporting this line of reasoning but it's a lousy point in this instance. And one of the people most responsible for this line is Sidney Blumenthal who floated it on behalf of Hillary with his mainstream media contacts in 2007-08. And even Obama supporters like Nicholas Kristoff who went out of his way to portray Obama's global reach by highlighting his muslim connections, which btw Obama would do as well after he became president. There's no shame in that, but you can't promote it and decry it at the same time.

Wut

I'm talking about his speeches in Cairo and Ankara (IIRC).

 

[TobiasFunke]

The reason it's a fair question, IMO, is because a poll taken last year suggested that 54% of all Republicans believe that Obama is secretly a Muslim, while another 29% is not sure. Those are pretty depressing numbers. (if anyone wants a link, I got those numbers from a Dana Millbank article that is featured today at Real Clear Politics).

So I think Walker's answer is political, just like his comment earlier this year that he didn't know if evolution was real. He's playing to the worst part of the Republican base, and it's depressing.

The governor is flirting with a significant segment of the Republican primary electorate: those who have peddled the notion (accepted by 17 percent of Americans at the end of Obama’s first term) that Obama is a Muslim.

- Milbank, WaPo article

This was a Pew poll that saw the Christian/Muslim number go from 47/12 to 34/18 between 2008 and 2010.

But even among many of his supporters and allies, less than half now say Obama is a Christian. Among Democrats, for instance, 46% say Obama is a Christian, down from 55% in March 2009.

http://www.pewforum.org/2010/08/18/growing-number-of-americans-say-obama-is-a-muslim/

That's not a really strong number.

And I'm not supporting this line of reasoning but it's a lousy point in this instance. And one of the people most responsible for this line is Sidney Blumenthal who floated it on behalf of Hillary with his mainstream media contacts in 2007-08. And even Obama supporters like Nicholas Kristoff who went out of his way to portray Obama's global reach by highlighting his muslim connections, which btw Obama would do as well after he became president. There's no shame in that, but you can't promote it and decry it at the same time.

Wut

I'm talking about his speeches in Cairo and Ankara (IIRC).

I knew what you were referencing. It's the logic that is baffling.

 

[timschochet]

I didn't think abortion should be a major topic this time around, but since it apparently is, the question I would ask all of the candidates on Thursday is:

"If the House of Representatives carries out their threat to shut down the government in September rather than to allow a budget extension that continues to fund Planned Parenthood, do you approve of and endorse this action?"

We already that Fiorina said yes. Let's get the rest of these guys on record.

Next question: "If the House of Representatives in October refuses to increase the debt ceiling unless President Obama accepts a repeal of Obamacare, will you approve this?"

Bump. Really hope these questions get asked.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

The reason it's a fair question, IMO, is because a poll taken last year suggested that 54% of all Republicans believe that Obama is secretly a Muslim, while another 29% is not sure. Those are pretty depressing numbers. (if anyone wants a link, I got those numbers from a Dana Millbank article that is featured today at Real Clear Politics).

So I think Walker's answer is political, just like his comment earlier this year that he didn't know if evolution was real. He's playing to the worst part of the Republican base, and it's depressing.

The governor is flirting with a significant segment of the Republican primary electorate: those who have peddled the notion (accepted by 17 percent of Americans at the end of Obama’s first term) that Obama is a Muslim.

- Milbank, WaPo article

This was a Pew poll that saw the Christian/Muslim number go from 47/12 to 34/18 between 2008 and 2010.

But even among many of his supporters and allies, less than half now say Obama is a Christian. Among Democrats, for instance, 46% say Obama is a Christian, down from 55% in March 2009.

http://www.pewforum.org/2010/08/18/growing-number-of-americans-say-obama-is-a-muslim/

That's not a really strong number.

And I'm not supporting this line of reasoning but it's a lousy point in this instance. And one of the people most responsible for this line is Sidney Blumenthal who floated it on behalf of Hillary with his mainstream media contacts in 2007-08. And even Obama supporters like Nicholas Kristoff who went out of his way to portray Obama's global reach by highlighting his muslim connections, which btw Obama would do as well after he became president. There's no shame in that, but you can't promote it and decry it at the same time.

Wut

I'm talking about his speeches in Cairo and Ankara (IIRC).

I knew what you were referencing. It's the logic that is baffling.

Well I threw a dart myself. Any idea why the number who think he is a Christian is so low among Democrats or why the overall number who thought he was muslim or weren't sure went up after he became president?

The % number of Democrats who thought he was Christian in 2010 was just slightly lower (46) than the number of Republicans who thought he was Christian after his inauguration (47).

I don't think it's that crazy to refer to his speeches which were in the middle.

 

[QuizGuy66]

See last paragraph for an exciting new candidate to support

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2015/08/walker-clinton-lead-in-minnesota-general-looks-like-2004.html

Spoiler

'Deez Nuts' filed as an independent candidate for President recently so for the sake of entertainment we tested him(?) as a candidate in a three way contest with Clinton and Trump. Deez Nuts haven't had much exposure to the American public- 89% say they have no opinion about them either way. Among those few who are familiar with Deez Nuts, only 3% rate them favorably to 8% who have an unfavorable opinion. Nevertheless 8% say they would support Deez Nuts for President, to 41% for Hillary Clinton and 36% for Donald Trump. When you look at how supporters of Deez Nuts split in a head to head between Clinton and Trump 25% are for Clinton, 15% are for Trump, and 60% are undecided. So Deez Nuts are largely providing an outlet for voters to express their frustration with the other candidates.

-QG

 

[Bucky86]

I'd vote for Deez Nuts over any of these other freaks.

 

[rockaction]

See last paragraph for an exciting new candidate to support

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2015/08/walker-clinton-lead-in-minnesota-general-looks-like-2004.html

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'Deez Nuts' filed as an independent candidate for President recently so for the sake of entertainment we tested him(?) as a candidate in a three way contest with Clinton and Trump. Deez Nuts haven't had much exposure to the American public- 89% say they have no opinion about them either way. Among those few who are familiar with Deez Nuts, only 3% rate them favorably to 8% who have an unfavorable opinion. Nevertheless 8% say they would support Deez Nuts for President, to 41% for Hillary Clinton and 36% for Donald Trump. When you look at how supporters of Deez Nuts split in a head to head between Clinton and Trump 25% are for Clinton, 15% are for Trump, and 60% are undecided. So Deez Nuts are largely providing an outlet for voters to express their frustration with the other candidates.

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[TobiasFunke]

I'd vote for Deez Nuts over any of these other freaks.

I like his position on Bofa

 

[Guinis72]

The reason it's a fair question, IMO, is because a poll taken last year suggested that 54% of all Republicans believe that Obama is secretly a Muslim, while another 29% is not sure. Those are pretty depressing numbers. (if anyone wants a link, I got those numbers from a Dana Millbank article that is featured today at Real Clear Politics).

So I think Walker's answer is political, just like his comment earlier this year that he didn't know if evolution was real. He's playing to the worst part of the Republican base, and it's depressing.

The governor is flirting with a significant segment of the Republican primary electorate: those who have peddled the notion (accepted by 17 percent of Americans at the end of Obama’s first term) that Obama is a Muslim.

- Milbank, WaPo article

This was a Pew poll that saw the Christian/Muslim number go from 47/12 to 34/18 between 2008 and 2010.

But even among many of his supporters and allies, less than half now say Obama is a Christian. Among Democrats, for instance, 46% say Obama is a Christian, down from 55% in March 2009.

http://www.pewforum.org/2010/08/18/growing-number-of-americans-say-obama-is-a-muslim/

That's not a really strong number.

And I'm not supporting this line of reasoning but it's a lousy point in this instance. And one of the people most responsible for this line is Sidney Blumenthal who floated it on behalf of Hillary with his mainstream media contacts in 2007-08. And even Obama supporters like Nicholas Kristoff who went out of his way to portray Obama's global reach by highlighting his muslim connections, which btw Obama would do as well after he became president. There's no shame in that, but you can't promote it and decry it at the same time.

Wut

I'm talking about his speeches in Cairo and Ankara (IIRC).

I knew what you were referencing. It's the logic that is baffling.

Well I threw a dart myself. Any idea why the number who think he is a Christian is so low among Democrats or why the overall number who thought he was muslim or weren't sure went up after he became president?

The % number of Democrats who thought he was Christian in 2010 was just slightly lower (46) than the number of Republicans who thought he was Christian after his inauguration (47).

I don't think it's that crazy to refer to his speeches which were in the middle.

I think a lot of Democrats (myself included) suspect that Obama is probably an atheist at heart. So, in this case, I don't think "Obama isn't Christian" necessarily equates to Obama = Muslim.

 

[rockaction]

I question the premise of drawing anything concrete from even the most direct of questions when polling places do it.

People are righteously pissed off about their government, and are likely to give weird responses to even very concrete and simple questions.

Perhaps I overestimate the American public, but the level of satisfaction that sits at record -- and really record -- lows in trust in politics, institutions, even the media should give one pause.

My really smart friend has gone into deep polling; he's fascinated by how differently people act from what they say. I've begun to be fascinated, too.