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Official 2016 GOP thread: Is it really going to be Donald Trump?? (4 Viewers)

Trump was unpresidential, didn't know the issues, offered nothing new and nothing specific, and largely avoided questions.
So he was himself. I turned it on just as the place was howling with laughter, something about Rosie O'Donnell and then Megan Kelly asked him about the WAR ON WOMEN (I miss Fox speak, should watch it more often). What was said there?
Her question recited a bunch of Trump quotes calling women fat pigs, etc.
 
"I don't have time for political correctness" gets them all good and moist. Not being an ####### being a very time-consuming pursuit.

 
I must live in a different country than these guys. I thought things have been going pretty well recently. Didn't know that there was so much doom and gloom out there.
Agreed. Everyone I know well is empoyed and doing well. Housing market has roared back. Trump and a few others talk like it is 2008 all over again.
Take a look at government debt to GDP. Not good.
I do all the time. For the most part every president EVER has reduced this number except for times of war and the great depression. That was true since WWII until we hit the "tax cuts pay for themselves" guys, or the "voodoo economics" guys.. And dealing with the "great recession" But don't worry, if you change your perspective a bit, narrow your focus you can find a way to shift the blame and take the credit of others. Of course the problem of paying for tax cuts for three plus decades with surpluses generated by payroll taxes starts to become problematic when those surpluses go away, So the answer last night? More tax and regulatory cuts to grow the economy!

 
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Fox can't wait to bury Trump
That's true but let's face it he's was handing them the shovel and the dirt.
How so?
The guy is leading the GOP race, that is a hell of a thing. I wouldn't be surprised if his number goes up after this debate, I wouldn't be surprised if he goes down. - But that first question from Megyn exposes an important issue about him - he is so thin skinned. He could have taken Megyn's question like other questions that were posed to the other candidates, that this is a criticism of him and how is he going to handle it, especially facing Hillary Clinton who you know war on womyns and all that. Like I said above he could have taken it a couple different ways, he could have also taken it and said yeah that was when he was a businessman and a reality star but as president he would behave differently in terms of how he acted towards women. But no not only did he make a joke about it he took it personally and then brought Megyn personally into it. - Then it went on, asked about his professional failures and business mistakes, these are things that would be asked when running against Hillary, he took it personally and started talking about Atlantic City. Asked by Wallace to provide backup to his claim that he had proof about his claim about the Mexican government sending criminals over purposefully he says some border guards told him so a few weeks after he made the claim. The Fox mods were almost doing him a favor asking him this stuff, they were saying look this is the stuff you're going to get, and instead of thinking big picture he got very defensive and reactive and acted like he had been unfairly accused when that's not the point at all.

 
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I feel like I'm watching a different debate if you don't think Trump is killing. He said he might run as an independent, called out Megyn Kelly, dissed Rosie, and called the American government "stupid." Are you not entertained?
While I don't condone Trump calling Rosie a fat pig on a national stage, truth of the matter asserted is an affirmative defense.

 
I don't understand why everyone is so down on Paul.

Granted I didn't pay attention to social media while watching the debate - but he CLEARLY dominated Christie in their exchange - it was embarrassing for Christie.

And then I go on social media and people though Christie won that exchange. That's really sad. Paul actually made points. Christie was ... absurd. If he'd said that when he was a US Attorney he should be fired immediately. Ridiculous.
The professionals writing about it today seemed to say more positive for Paul than Christie.

 
I don't understand why everyone is so down on Paul.

Granted I didn't pay attention to social media while watching the debate - but he CLEARLY dominated Christie in their exchange - it was embarrassing for Christie.

And then I go on social media and people though Christie won that exchange. That's really sad. Paul actually made points. Christie was ... absurd. If he'd said that when he was a US Attorney he should be fired immediately. Ridiculous.
Because people don't care about the 4th amendment. Only the 2nd.

Oh, and I thought Paul hit the nail on the head when he rebutted Christie by telling him he had a warrant every time he prosecuted. CC didn't respond to that.

Any one else hear CC say the 9/11 attacks happened in his state? Hey Chris, you're from NJ, not NY. What attack happened in NJ again?
I agree with you about the 4th and general warrants. It's, to a degree, a reason for fighting the Revolution. Paul was right. I thought Paul won the exchange, too, but I'm in the bag for Paul.

That said, CC's gaffe was forgivable considering all the people from NJ that probably worked in NY. The coordination it must take between those two states is probably part of his everyday job, and he can be forgiven for a slip like that, unless it becomes a chronic thing.
Yeah I get that. But sitting there listening as a NJ resident and hear the NJ Gov say the attacks happened in his state jumped out at me. I had the same reactions when I heard NY was hosting the Super Bowl.

 
As dumb as it seems like Trump is, I think he handled the third-party handraising question absolutely perfectly. The fact that he's ready to sabotage the Republican party is a reason to vote for him, not against him, if you care about the Democrat losing. He has the power and knows it.

 
Rubio may be the GOP version of Obama as a rising young star, but he doesn't seem ready for prime time to me. And he totally blew it with the abortion question.

Kasich came across as a reasonable lovable guy. I doubt hardcore red meat conservatives are looking for that though unfortunately.
I'm assuming that piece played strong to the core R base that he has to win over.
 
The Trump thing has been completely predictable in every way so far. The rhetoric, the nonsense, the attention, the numbers. Completely predictable. Of course he has good numbers. He appeals to the mouth-breathing contingent in the Republican party, who are not insignificant in number, and is saying things nobody has said from that position before. HIS HONESTY IS REFRESHING! However, he cannot win, and will slowly fade into background as the Juicy Fruit (nee Fortune Cookie) candidate in the leadup to the primaries and if not, will be whacked by the party goons (murdoch/ailes/kochs) if he gets too close to the nom. He is only there to try to make his type of rhetoric more acceptable. To loosen the last hint of any kind of decency.

 
Bush was pretty unimpressive last night. He was asked about how he was going to achieve his promised 4% growth rate and all he said was that it's important to be optimistic. While that's true, it's also important to be realistic and to have specific solutions.

And this represents my problem with the current state of the Republican Party- whether it's the economy, or the deal with Iran, I think they're living in the past, refusing to acknowledge the limitations of the United States in the 21st century.

 
"I don't have time for political correctness" gets them all good and moist. Not being an ####### being a very time-consuming pursuit.
His focus is on getting things done. If feelings get hurt in the process so be it. He doesn't have time to waste worrying about that. I love that attitude from a Presidential candidate. The upside far outweighs the downside. If he can get this country back on track I have no problem sacrificing a few hurt feelings. You may think he's an #######, but does that necessarily mean he couldn't be the best choice to fix some of the major problems our country is facing?
 
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The Trump thing has been completely predictable in every way so far. The rhetoric, the nonsense, the attention, the numbers. Completely predictable. Of course he has good numbers. He appeals to the mouth-breathing contingent in the Republican party, who are not insignificant in number, and is saying things nobody has said from that position before. HIS HONESTY IS REFRESHING! However, he cannot win, and will slowly fade into background as the Juicy Fruit (nee Fortune Cookie) candidate in the leadup to the primaries and if not, will be whacked by the party goons (murdoch/ailes/kochs) if he gets too close to the nom. He is only there to try to make his type of rhetoric more acceptable. To loosen the last hint of any kind of decency.
Decency to whom?

Rosie O'Donnell and the pro-illegal crowd?

Don't get me wrong; he's a political liability, but don't those sort of questions need to be asked?

About illegals and truthers?

eta* Decency is what we aim for? Is this serious? Holy Pollyanna, Batman.

 
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"I don't have time for political correctness" gets them all good and moist. Not being an ####### being a very time-consuming pursuit.
His focus is on getting things done. If feelings get hurt in the process so be it. He doesn't have time to waste worrying about that. I love that attitude from a Presidential candidate. The upside far outweighs the downside. If he can get this country back on track I have no problem sacrificing a few hurt feelings. You may think he's an #######, but does that necessarily mean he couldn't be the best choice to fix some of the major problems our country is facing?
:lmao: What exactly will he be getting done? Has he offered anything resembling details on any subject whatsoever? Aside from, "I'll hire the best minds!" He's...how do you say...full of ####.

 
As dumb as it seems like Trump is, I think he handled the third-party handraising question absolutely perfectly. The fact that he's ready to sabotage the Republican party is a reason to vote for him, not against him, if you care about the Democrat losing. He has the power and knows it.
Trump doesn't seem dumb. He seems like he has no interest in playing the standard political game and no interest in changing his abrasive personality to woo voters. Those decisions may not be the wisest political decisions*, but they're not borne out of stupidity.

* Then again, those decisions have been working for him so far.

 
I was waiting for a question about their positions on the failed war on drugs and if they would continue to waste billions of dollars. I guess Fox didn't want to go down that path, preferring to ask about where they all stand with God.

 
"I don't have time for political correctness" gets them all good and moist. Not being an ####### being a very time-consuming pursuit.
His focus is on getting things done. If feelings get hurt in the process so be it. He doesn't have time to waste worrying about that. I love that attitude from a Presidential candidate. The upside far outweighs the downside. If he can get this country back on track I have no problem sacrificing a few hurt feelings. You may think he's an #######, but does that necessarily mean he couldn't be the best choice to fix some of the major problems our country is facing?
:lmao: What exactly will he be getting done? Has he offered anything resembling details on any subject whatsoever? Aside from, "I'll hire the best minds!" He's...how do you say...full of ####.
Using silly smiley faces in a discussion about electing our next President instantly detracts from your credibility. You might have a great point, but the use of smiley faces makes it hard to take seriously.It's nothing personal, just an honest observation.

 
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Trump's statement that Mexico is going to pay for our border wall is laughable, but how much more laughable is it than Fiorina saying that she will negotiate a new deal with Iran in which the Iranians will allow us to inspect them anytime anywhere? But as silly as this answer was, it was the ONLY specific alternative that was offered to the current deal. The rest of them simply condemned it.

 
I was waiting for a question about their positions on the failed war on drugs and if they would continue to waste billions of dollars. I guess Fox didn't want to go down that path, preferring to ask about where they all stand with God.
I have no idea if others agree with this but I hate in debates when they take questions from twitter and FB. I really don't care what Sandy Ciaccio from Schenectady wants to ask Mike Huckabee. Give me some professional questions from actual reporters. First day in office, what is God telling you to do? Oh that's just dandy.

 
Any idea when the Democratic Clowns debate is going to happen?

Doubt it could as entertaining as this one but I'm positive it will be full of great quotes.

 
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:lmao: at the Straight out of Compton movie trailer on the commercial break. :lmao:
Whoever made that call was the clear winner of the debate. My biggest laugh in a night filled with them. This Washington Post columnist called it. Megyn Kelly was a distant second. Not sure who was third. Maybe Kasich if the GOP decides to stop cutting off its nose to spite its face?
Whoops, forgot about PFT Commenter. Amazing performance.
So good. The front of the shirt is just as good.

 
Trump's statement that Mexico is going to pay for our border wall is laughable, but how much more laughable is it than Fiorina saying that she will negotiate a new deal with Iran in which the Iranians will allow us to inspect them anytime anywhere? But as silly as this answer was, it was the ONLY specific alternative that was offered to the current deal. The rest of them simply condemned it.
I don't know if I agree with all that but Walker saying he would tear up the deal and just get the allies to spin around and put everything back in place is totally unrealistic. Yes I suppose we could do that but the allies are long gone.

 
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"I don't have time for political correctness" gets them all good and moist. Not being an ####### being a very time-consuming pursuit.
His focus is on getting things done. If feelings get hurt in the process so be it. He doesn't have time to waste worrying about that. I love that attitude from a Presidential candidate. The upside far outweighs the downside. If he can get this country back on track I have no problem sacrificing a few hurt feelings. You may think he's an #######, but does that necessarily mean he couldn't be the best choice to fix some of the major problems our country is facing?
What makes you think Donald Trump is the best choice to fix some of the major problems our country is facing? What are those problems, and what sets Trump apart from others?

 
Carly Fiorina.....anyone taking notice?
Agree. She won both debates.
Has a Trump/Fiorina ticket been discussed yet? The GOP clearly needs to start taking Trump more seriously. A Trump/Fiorina ticket could be a nightmare for Hillary and the Democrats...and Megyn Kelly.
A Trump/anybody ticket would be a nightmare for the Republican Party.
I'm afraid I agree with this.

 
:lmao: at the Straight out of Compton movie trailer on the commercial break. :lmao:
Whoever made that call was the clear winner of the debate. My biggest laugh in a night filled with them. This Washington Post columnist called it. Megyn Kelly was a distant second. Not sure who was third. Maybe Kasich if the GOP decides to stop cutting off its nose to spite its face?
Whoops, forgot about PFT Commenter. Amazing performance.
So good. The front of the shirt is just as good.
I'm a internet commenter AND I VOTE

 
:lmao: at the Straight out of Compton movie trailer on the commercial break. :lmao:
Whoever made that call was the clear winner of the debate. My biggest laugh in a night filled with them. This Washington Post columnist called it. Megyn Kelly was a distant second. Not sure who was third. Maybe Kasich if the GOP decides to stop cutting off its nose to spite its face?
Whoops, forgot about PFT Commenter. Amazing performance.
So good. The front of the shirt is just as good.
I'm an internet commenter and I just got a case heard granted cert and only voted down 6-3 in the Supreme Court
FYP.

 
Bush was pretty unimpressive last night. He was asked about how he was going to achieve his promised 4% growth rate and all he said was that it's important to be optimistic. While that's true, it's also important to be realistic and to have specific solutions.

And this represents my problem with the current state of the Republican Party- whether it's the economy, or the deal with Iran, I think they're living in the past, refusing to acknowledge the limitations of the United States in the 21st century.
Any idea when the Democratic Clowns debate is going to happen?

Doubt it could as entertaining as this one but I'm positive it will be full of great quotes.
Oct 13. 1st of 6.
I think it could be said it was a good debate last night and at the very least entertaining. I think love em or hate em people will be tuning in to the GOP debates moving forward after what will be a lot of water cooler talk on a Friday. The Democratic debates will be show-debates, purely mockups to promote Hillary.

One thing this field has highlighted is that in 2 debates there are some really strong, capable personalities, at least politically. In the past when a George W Bush emerged or others like Kerry say those were not strong fields. Jeb's personality was weak in the midst of those charismas. Trump, Christie, Paul, Fiorina, Rubio, they all stood out, but Jeb either suffers from high expectations or too much familiarity, not sure, but he has go to do something to stand out more in that crew.

 
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:lmao: at the Straight out of Compton movie trailer on the commercial break. :lmao:
Whoever made that call was the clear winner of the debate. My biggest laugh in a night filled with them. This Washington Post columnist called it. Megyn Kelly was a distant second. Not sure who was third. Maybe Kasich if the GOP decides to stop cutting off its nose to spite its face?
Whoops, forgot about PFT Commenter. Amazing performance.
So good. The front of the shirt is just as good.
I'm an internet commenter and I just got a case heard granted cert and only voted down 6-3 in the Supreme Court
FYP.
Don't ever start making sense, GB :thumbup: :wub:

 
"I don't have time for political correctness" gets them all good and moist. Not being an ####### being a very time-consuming pursuit.
His focus is on getting things done. If feelings get hurt in the process so be it. He doesn't have time to waste worrying about that. I love that attitude from a Presidential candidate. The upside far outweighs the downside. If he can get this country back on track I have no problem sacrificing a few hurt feelings. You may think he's an #######, but does that necessarily mean he couldn't be the best choice to fix some of the major problems our country is facing?
Dude, the country isn't off track. The country is changing. The country is always changing. People who don't like change think the country is off track. It's not; change is the natural order of things.

 
Bush was pretty unimpressive last night. He was asked about how he was going to achieve his promised 4% growth rate and all he said was that it's important to be optimistic. While that's true, it's also important to be realistic and to have specific solutions.

And this represents my problem with the current state of the Republican Party- whether it's the economy, or the deal with Iran, I think they're living in the past, refusing to acknowledge the limitations of the United States in the 21st century.
Any idea when the Democratic Clowns debate is going to happen?

Doubt it could as entertaining as this one but I'm positive it will be full of great quotes.
Oct 13. 1st of 6.
I think it could be said it was a good debate last night and at the very least entertaining. I think love em or hate em people will be tuning in to the GOP debates moving forward after what will be a lot of water cooler talk on a Friday. The Democratic debates will be show-debates, purely mockups to promote Hillary.

One thing this field has highlighted is that in 2 debates there are some really strong, capable personalities, at least politically. In the past when a George W Bush emerged or others like Kerry say those were not strong fields. Jeb's personality was weak in the midst of those charismas. Trump, Christie, Paul, Fiorina, Rubio, they all stood out, but Jeb either suffers from high expectations or too much familiarity, not sure, but he has go to do something to stand out more in that crew.
I don't think Christie broke out. As for Jeb, he just seemed flat. No confidence, no spark. I question if he really wants to be president or if he just feels the expectations have forced him to run.

 
"I don't have time for political correctness" gets them all good and moist. Not being an ####### being a very time-consuming pursuit.
His focus is on getting things done. If feelings get hurt in the process so be it. He doesn't have time to waste worrying about that. I love that attitude from a Presidential candidate. The upside far outweighs the downside. If he can get this country back on track I have no problem sacrificing a few hurt feelings. You may think he's an #######, but does that necessarily mean he couldn't be the best choice to fix some of the major problems our country is facing?
What makes you think Donald Trump is the best choice to fix some of the major problems our country is facing? What are those problems, and what sets Trump apart from others?
Helping our economy flourish: I think his business acumen/experience, and the fact that he won't owe any favors to politicians and/or interest groups clearly separates him from the pack. He can make decisions based on what's best for the country, not based on who he owes a personal/financial favor to.Illegal immigration: Trump brought this issue to the forefront and it's obviously very important to him. He's the only candidate who would be willing to hurt feelings and potentially offend some people in order to fix the problem. I believe that the rest of the field would be too pc to get anything substantial done, just like the last 30 years.

Terrorism: I believe Trump's responses to terrorist attacks would be stronger and more direct than those of the other candidates, and he would take steps to thwart terrorism, both foreign and donestic, that the other candidates would be afraid to take due to political correctness.

 
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"I don't have time for political correctness" gets them all good and moist. Not being an ####### being a very time-consuming pursuit.
His focus is on getting things done. If feelings get hurt in the process so be it. He doesn't have time to waste worrying about that. I love that attitude from a Presidential candidate. The upside far outweighs the downside. If he can get this country back on track I have no problem sacrificing a few hurt feelings. You may think he's an #######, but does that necessarily mean he couldn't be the best choice to fix some of the major problems our country is facing?
Dude, the country isn't off track. The country is changing. The country is always changing. People who don't like change think the country is off track. It's not; change is the natural order of things.
Right, I wonder, what would the country look like if it was "on track"? What were the key few things that knocked if "off track"?

 
Don't ever start making sense, GB :thumbup: :wub:
It's King and the Obamacare case, whose impetus and actuality came from an internet commenter at Volokh Conspiracy and the point he raised, but I'll return the love. :wub:

It was a random dude, commenting on the internet. Certiorari was granted because of a random dude's studies of Gruber's statements about the PPACA and his public speeches about exchanges. I think we went over this once, but I'm sure that it was not a huge part of your day. No biggie.

 
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"I don't have time for political correctness" gets them all good and moist. Not being an ####### being a very time-consuming pursuit.
His focus is on getting things done. If feelings get hurt in the process so be it. He doesn't have time to waste worrying about that. I love that attitude from a Presidential candidate. The upside far outweighs the downside. If he can get this country back on track I have no problem sacrificing a few hurt feelings. You may think he's an #######, but does that necessarily mean he couldn't be the best choice to fix some of the major problems our country is facing?
What makes you think Donald Trump is the best choice to fix some of the major problems our country is facing? What are those problems, and what sets Trump apart from others?
Helping our economy flourish: I think his business acumen/experience, and the fact that he won't owe any favors to politicians and/or interest groups cleay separates him from the pack.

Illegal immigration: Trump brought this issue to the forefront and it's obviously very important to him. He's the only candidate who would be willing to hurt feelings and potentially offend some people in order to fix the problem. I believe that the rest of the field would be too pc to get anything substantial done, just like the last 30 years.

Terrorism: I believe Trump's responses to terrorist attacks would be stronger and more direct than those of the other candidates, and he would take steps to thwart terrorism, both foreign and donestic, that the other candidates would be afraid to take due to political correctness.
What specifically is off track about the current economy?

Also, Trump won't be the CEO of America. He can't just bark orders and get things done or fire those that he doesn't like. He still will have to deal with lobbyists, special interests, and all the other elected officials that a President has to find a way to work with to get anything done.

 
"I don't have time for political correctness" gets them all good and moist. Not being an ####### being a very time-consuming pursuit.
His focus is on getting things done. If feelings get hurt in the process so be it. He doesn't have time to waste worrying about that. I love that attitude from a Presidential candidate. The upside far outweighs the downside. If he can get this country back on track I have no problem sacrificing a few hurt feelings. You may think he's an #######, but does that necessarily mean he couldn't be the best choice to fix some of the major problems our country is facing?
What makes you think Donald Trump is the best choice to fix some of the major problems our country is facing? What are those problems, and what sets Trump apart from others?
Helping our economy flourish: I think his business acumen/experience, and the fact that he won't owe any favors to politicians and/or interest groups cleay separates him from the pack.

Illegal immigration: Trump brought this issue to the forefront and it's obviously very important to him. He's the only candidate who would be willing to hurt feelings and potentially offend some people in order to fix the problem. I believe that the rest of the field would be too pc to get anything substantial done, just like the last 30 years.

Terrorism: I believe Trump's responses to terrorist attacks would be stronger and more direct than those of the other candidates, and he would take steps to thwart terrorism, both foreign and donestic, that the other candidates would be afraid to take due to political correctness.
What specifically is off track about the current economy?

Also, Trump won't be the CEO of America. He can't just bark orders and get things done or fire those that he doesn't like. He still will have to deal with lobbyists, special interests, and all the other elected officials that a President has to find a way to work with to get anything done.
And the guy... man, worst of all: Facing Hillary he pretty much copped to buying politicians, and it seems perfectly legitimate to believe he would or could be bought himself. Hillary's no. 1-2 issue along with untrustworthiness is corruption and when asked point blank what did he buy from Hillary he said she attended his wedding.

Wow, great answer, both dishonest and corrupt.

 
"I don't have time for political correctness" gets them all good and moist. Not being an ####### being a very time-consuming pursuit.
His focus is on getting things done. If feelings get hurt in the process so be it. He doesn't have time to waste worrying about that. I love that attitude from a Presidential candidate. The upside far outweighs the downside. If he can get this country back on track I have no problem sacrificing a few hurt feelings. You may think he's an #######, but does that necessarily mean he couldn't be the best choice to fix some of the major problems our country is facing?
What makes you think Donald Trump is the best choice to fix some of the major problems our country is facing? What are those problems, and what sets Trump apart from others?
Helping our economy flourish: I think his business acumen/experience, and the fact that he won't owe any favors to politicians and/or interest groups cleay separates him from the pack.

Illegal immigration: Trump brought this issue to the forefront and it's obviously very important to him. He's the only candidate who would be willing to hurt feelings and potentially offend some people in order to fix the problem. I believe that the rest of the field would be too pc to get anything substantial done, just like the last 30 years.

Terrorism: I believe Trump's responses to terrorist attacks would be stronger and more direct than those of the other candidates, and he would take steps to thwart terrorism, both foreign and donestic, that the other candidates would be afraid to take due to political correctness.
What specifically is off track about the current economy?

Also, Trump won't be the CEO of America. He can't just bark orders and get things done or fire those that he doesn't like. He still will have to deal with lobbyists, special interests, and all the other elected officials that a President has to find a way to work with to get anything done.
And the guy... man, worst of all: Facing Hillary he pretty much copped to buying politicians, and it seems perfectly legitimate to believe he would or could be bought himself. Hillary's no. 1-2 issue along with untrustworthiness is corruption and when asked point blank what did he buy from Hillary he said she attended his wedding.

Wow, great answer, both dishonest and corrupt.
I think that should have gotten more play.I'm really curious as to what exactly he thinks he bought.

 
I don't see any of these nominees winning anything outside of Oklahoma, and Arkansas. Oof, these guys are a tired and boring group outside of Trump who is just a ####### loon!

 

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