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Official 2016 GOP thread: Is it really going to be Donald Trump?? (5 Viewers)

Have they done any polling split by registered Republicans and Democrats?
For the Republican nomination? Why would Democrats (or any non-Republicans) be polled at all?
I think he's probably referring to a generic favorability poll. I was wondering this myself. Trump's popularity obviously extends beyond the Republican Party. I'd be interested to see the extent of it. What is making Trump "likeable" (if that's even the right word) is his anti-establishment edge and his his unbridled honesty. I would think that message would resonate with people regardless of party affiliation.

 
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Look, Trump is a freak show and has zero chance of becoming President. But the guy is highly entertaining and he is a ratings machine, unlike anything we've ever seen. So yeah, people are talking about Trump a lot, but they are also following it up with a sentence or two about Rubio, Kasich, and the others. It's like my Mom used to say about a two year old acting out, "Negative attention is better than no attention at all".

If the Repulicans are smart they should keep Trump around as long as possible and not piss him off. Just let him do his thing providing comic relief (which I believe in and of itself has some value) and enjoy the ratings bonanza. The Republicans used to be the boring old party and it was the Dems who were viewed as fun and vibrant. I think Trump is great for the party if they use him correctly.

 
He's not great for the GOP at all. Pollsters have stated that the GOP needs at least 47% of the Latino vote to win. Trump has already almost guaranteed that won't happen.

In addition, polling suggests that most independents have largely been turned off by the Tea Party wing of the GOP. Since Trump basically parrots most Tea Party positions I can't imagine that helps either.

 
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satch said:
"I don't have time for political correctness" gets them all good and moist. Not being an ####### being a very time-consuming pursuit.
His focus is on getting things done. If feelings get hurt in the process so be it. He doesn't have time to waste worrying about that. I love that attitude from a Presidential candidate. The upside far outweighs the downside. If he can get this country back on track I have no problem sacrificing a few hurt feelings. You may think he's an #######, but does that necessarily mean he couldn't be the best choice to fix some of the major problems our country is facing?
What makes you think Donald Trump is the best choice to fix some of the major problems our country is facing? What are those problems, and what sets Trump apart from others?
Helping our economy flourish: I think his business acumen/experience, and the fact that he won't owe any favors to politicians and/or interest groups cleay separates him from the pack.Illegal immigration: Trump brought this issue to the forefront and it's obviously very important to him. He's the only candidate who would be willing to hurt feelings and potentially offend some people in order to fix the problem. I believe that the rest of the field would be too pc to get anything substantial done, just like the last 30 years.

Terrorism: I believe Trump's responses to terrorist attacks would be stronger and more direct than those of the other candidates, and he would take steps to thwart terrorism, both foreign and donestic, that the other candidates would be afraid to take due to political correctness.
What specifically is off track about the current economy? Also, Trump won't be the CEO of America. He can't just bark orders and get things done or fire those that he doesn't like. He still will have to deal with lobbyists, special interests, and all the other elected officials that a President has to find a way to work with to get anything done.
And the guy... man, worst of all: Facing Hillary he pretty much copped to buying politicians, and it seems perfectly legitimate to believe he would or could be bought himself. Hillary's no. 1-2 issue along with untrustworthiness is corruption and when asked point blank what did he buy from Hillary he said she attended his wedding.

Wow, great answer, both dishonest and corrupt.
By copping to buying politicians he showed honesty and exposed what politicians hide. He exposed it so he can change it. With regards to Trump being bought, if he was interested in making more money he wouldn't be running for President. He could be making a heck of a lot more money just sticking to business. He'll lose money running for and potentially being President. I think he's bored with making money and truly wants to be a great President and help our country prosper. And he's willing to spend some of his fortune to do it.
:lmao: This clown bought favors for himself but now he will be "above" that kind of thing.
Who said he would be "above" it? I certainly didn't. He explained how this works. He contributes millions to campaigns, and then when he needed something politicians would return the favor. Since he's paying for his own campaign he won't owe anyone any favors, and he certainly doesn't need anyone's money. It has nothing to do with being "above" it.

 
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He's trying to clarify his remark, indicating he didn't mean what people think he meant, and I actually believe him. I wasn't sure because he hadn't followed up on it until now. I honestly think he was just trying to say she was "out for blood" and it came out horribly wrong. Unfortunately, he may not get the benefit of the doubt on this one, but we'll see.

@realDonaldTrump: Re Megyn Kelly quote: "you could see there was blood coming out of her eyes, blood coming out of her wherever" (NOSE). Just got on w/thought
Rationalization is a helluva a drug.

 
ResTrump will ramp up his next commentary. He will say something even more foul or offensive and force the GOP's hand. It's up to the GOP whether they allow it to happen in the middle of an actual debate. Same goes for CNN, Don Lemon seemed perfectly happy to have him on his show. Trump's numbers will likely go up in the GOP primary, but I am guessing with others as well, and the networks can decide if they want to keep feeding this beast.
He's the Republican front runner. There is no 'feeding the beast'. He is currently the most popular Republican running for president. Of course, they should interview him. And the GOP can't keep him out of the debates.

 
He's trying to clarify his remark, indicating he didn't mean what people think he meant, and I actually believe him. I wasn't sure because he hadn't followed up on it until now. I honestly think he was just trying to say she was "out for blood" and it came out horribly wrong. Unfortunately, he may not get the benefit of the doubt on this one, but we'll see.

@realDonaldTrump: Re Megyn Kelly quote: "you could see there was blood coming out of her eyes, blood coming out of her wherever" (NOSE). Just got on w/thought
Rationalization is a helluva a drug.
So you really think he was referring to her bleeding from her ######?
 
He's not great for the GOP at all. Pollsters have stated that the GOP needs at least 47% of the Latino vote to win. Trump has already almost guaranteed that won't happen.

In addition, polling suggests that most independents have largely been turned off by the Tea Party wing of the GOP. Since Trump basically parrots most Tea Party positions I can't imagine that helps either.
I guess is comes down to whether you believe if in 15 months when people vote they will harken back to ridiculous statements that Trump made over a year ago. If Bush or Rubio is the candidate, I really don't think people will be impacted by the lunacy that was Donald Trump.
 
Pretty amazing how all the focus is on Trump.It's almost like he is the rabbit in the race to deflect away stuff from Bush,Walker and a few of the other bigger names.

I doubt it works no matter which way they slice this cake but it sure is entertaining.
Trump has so many weak points. He's a cartoon. Yet no one in the Republican field has really tried to stand up to him. Makes the whole field look weak.

Does anyone have any balls? You got 10-15 people running on fumes and now one wants to take a flamethrower to Trump and actually make their mark? If you are afraid of The Donald you should not be POTUS.
Yep. It is pretty odd that the media is attacking him so much yet none of the other candidates have really been able to. Graham and Perry both tried and got even further down the polls. They're scared of Trump. They should be.

 
The next round of three day polling should be coming out soon. I'm sticking with my prediction that Trump falls significantly back towards the field.

 
He's trying to clarify his remark, indicating he didn't mean what people think he meant, and I actually believe him. I wasn't sure because he hadn't followed up on it until now. I honestly think he was just trying to say she was "out for blood" and it came out horribly wrong. Unfortunately, he may not get the benefit of the doubt on this one, but we'll see.

@realDonaldTrump: Re Megyn Kelly quote: "you could see there was blood coming out of her eyes, blood coming out of her wherever" (NOSE). Just got on w/thought
Rationalization is a helluva a drug.
So you really think he was referring to her bleeding from her ######?
Of course he was. Dismissing a woman's opinion by claiming sh'e on her period is a pretty standard sexist play.

 
He's trying to clarify his remark, indicating he didn't mean what people think he meant, and I actually believe him. I wasn't sure because he hadn't followed up on it until now. I honestly think he was just trying to say she was "out for blood" and it came out horribly wrong. Unfortunately, he may not get the benefit of the doubt on this one, but we'll see.

@realDonaldTrump: Re Megyn Kelly quote: "you could see there was blood coming out of her eyes, blood coming out of her wherever" (NOSE). Just got on w/thought
Rationalization is a helluva a drug.
So you really think he was referring to her bleeding from her ######?
Of course he was. Dismissing a woman's opinion by claiming sh'e on her period is a pretty standard sexist play.
I mean, hey, Kelly was being a witch. Don't poke the bear, imo. If this is how Donald is going to interact with foreign leaders, I'm in.

 
Have they done any polling split by registered Republicans and Democrats?
Yes they have but it's been a while. 538 at the NYT had a piece on how he was doing well with liberals.

As for Tim's point above, Trump is a national candidate hence they poll him across the board.

 
posted this in the Hillary thread.. guess it belongs here.

The GOP can't be taken seriously until they can provide a valid alternative.

I am one that would be happy to hop back over to the Red if they can stop catering to the nutjobs of the world. Offer solutions for things that matter instead of drumming up mind numbing concocted controversies on social topics.

Focus on the several real topics where the right is strong and would get someone like me to gravitate back that way.
 
I'm very moderate to liberal on many social issue. I'm pro-choice, support gay marriage, support some efforts at gun control, agree with legalizing marijuana (at least at the state level). I know it's too much to expect the Republican candidates to align with these views so I don't mind if they don't agree with me since I put social issues way down on the scale of important issues. But which of these candidates are not likely to push their agenda when it comes to them? I'd rather our President focus on the economy and foreign affairs.

I'm kind of in the Rubio camp right now but he seems like someone who might emphasize the federal governments role over the states rights.

 
Missing the RedState event is a non-event for Trump. He's not Pataki or Graham who need the exposure. Trump will be just as present in his absence as if he'd attended the conference. And he'll be slightly less likely to say something stupid.

The move is all about Erick Erickson. It generates publicity for him, his blog and his event. He hasn't exactly been a champion for women's rights in the past.

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
timschochet said:
Allen Grayson?

Maybe that "ED" show guy.

Louis Farrakhan?
17 Democratic Presidential candidates:

1. Hillary

Chafee [snicker]

Webb

Sanders

Biden

Booker

Patrick

Klobucher

Warren

10. Waters

11. Grayson

12. Farrakhan

13. Ed Schultz

- Who else? Keep going, let's fill out the field. - We're already up to 5 non-elected officials right now btw.
Since the Republicans have their attention seeking self-promoting clown (Trump), the Democrats need one. Maybe someone like Keith Olberman.

:lmao:

 
Has there ever been a more thin-skinned person in the world than Donald Trump? If he were president he'd spend 16 hours a day firing back at any internet, newspaper or tv critique. He'd have no time to do anything else.

If the guy gave a measured, level headed performance at the debate and had any specific policies, he could have really turned some heads. He'll never change though because he has no interest in winning. He just wants attention and accolades. Anyone who dares question his greatness will feel his wrath.

 
Has there ever been a more thin-skinned person in the world than Donald Trump? If he were president he'd spend 16 hours a day firing back at any internet, newspaper or tv critique. He'd have no time to do anything else.

If the guy gave a measured, level headed performance at the debate and had any specific policies, he could have really turned some heads. He'll never change though because he has no interest in winning. He just wants attention and accolades. Anyone who dares question his greatness will feel his wrath.
The debate really was a venue for him to take a next step forward and maybe even offer ideas but we got the same old Trump. Not that we really should have expected anything else.

It was fun though!

 
Trump's "blood" comment just might knock him out of the race. There's no humorous aspect to that at all. Just horrificly tasteless and disrespectful. Saying something like that shows incredibly poor judgement to say the least.
Well, he is the same guy whose poll numbers went up after he insulted POWs.
Basically he insulted McCain, who is detested by many. I predict that McCain's war-mongering ### is done. McCain campaigned for Lindsay "GrimReaper" Graham and Graham is polling at 0%. That should tell you a lot about McCain's status in the party.
He was most directly going after McCain, but he insulted all POWs in the process, by stating that he prefers people who weren't captured. That goes a bit broader than McCain.

...But I wasn't looking to pick a fight about McCain/POWs/etc. Just pointing that he has said pretty disrespectful and tasteless things about other people/groups in this campaign -- e.g., the McCain/POW comment, the "rapists" comment. Maybe this is his "have you no sense of decency, at last" moment, but I thought he thought crossed that bridge a long time ago.

I'm not sure what he could do/say that would make me think that would knock him out of the race -- maybe burning an American flag or admitting to killing 5 hookers at SMU, but I'm not even sure of that.
Trump/James 2016!!!!

-QG

 
I'm not really sure how the GOP allows him to participate in the next debate.
Really? You don't understand why the leading candidate would be allowed to participate in a debate? You don't get that?
Yes, you skipped the full quote but the point is if Trump does one more thing, which I think he will do, to offend people further. This already happened, this is how the whole "3rd party" talk got started, the RNC tried to get Trump out of the Fox debate and Trump threatened to go third party if he wasn't treated with respect. Guess what he participated in the debate and he still felt/acted like he did n't get the requisite respect. He will just keep pushing them until this becomes inevitable.

 
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He's not great for the GOP at all. Pollsters have stated that the GOP needs at least 47% of the Latino vote to win. Trump has already almost guaranteed that won't happen.

In addition, polling suggests that most independents have largely been turned off by the Tea Party wing of the GOP. Since Trump basically parrots most Tea Party positions I can't imagine that helps either.
For once (well there have been a few times) I agree with Tim. Trump is a lose-lose-lose for the GOP.

 
tommyGunZ makes a great point. The problem with conspiracy theories is who could have predicted Trump would poll so well?
Everybody? He walked in with almost maximum name recognition, right up there with "Bush" and "Clinton." This is how we run our country now, wealth and name recognition, and pretty soon (well within a few elections) I think we may start ignoring political experience and qualifications altogether, people will just be asked to pick their brand and pick which candidate will deliver the things they want via holding power.

 
To her credit, Megyn Kelly on her show last night reportedly did not respond to Trump's bashing of her, which means she gets it. If you fire back, you will get into a war of words with him, and he will never let up. Best to just ignore it and move on.

 
To her credit, Megyn Kelly on her show last night reportedly did not respond to Trump's bashing of her, which means she gets it. If you fire back, you will get into a war of words with him, and he will never let up. Best to just ignore it and move on.
It's her job not to become the story. That said i thought she and the other moderators performed Thursday as if they were part of a junior high school debate. Her bringing up a quote from a reality TV show and making it a part of a question for a presidential debate was completely ridiculous. If Bob Denver were alive and ran for president would a moderator bring up that time he made a sexist comment to Ginger?

 
To her credit, Megyn Kelly on her show last night reportedly did not respond to Trump's bashing of her, which means she gets it. If you fire back, you will get into a war of words with him, and he will never let up. Best to just ignore it and move on.
It's her job not to become the story. That said i thought she and the other moderators performed Thursday as if they were part of a junior high school debate. Her bringing up a quote from a reality TV show and making it a part of a question for a presidential debate was completely ridiculous. If Bob Denver were alive and ran for president would a moderator bring up that time he made a sexist comment to Ginger?
Then just answer the question in three different decent ways, not attack Kelly for asking a question that Hillary and the Democrats will surely pelt him with. How is he going to handle it? - For such a tough guy he's a real sensitive wuss. He acts like a baby born with a silver spoon, which he is. Trump was getting driven around in his daddy's limo in Manhattan while McCain was getting his knees broken in Hanoi.

 
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He's not great for the GOP at all. Pollsters have stated that the GOP needs at least 47% of the Latino vote to win. Trump has already almost guaranteed that won't happen.

In addition, polling suggests that most independents have largely been turned off by the Tea Party wing of the GOP. Since Trump basically parrots most Tea Party positions I can't imagine that helps either.
For once (well there have been a few times) I agree with Tim. Trump is a lose-lose-lose for the GOP.
I think he has the potential to hurt the Republicans down the road. But how could he be hurting them now when he just caused 24 million people to watch the first debate of the season? I can't believe that people are going to not vote for Rubio or Bush because of Donald Trump.Trump is just entertainment at this point. Nobody worth their salt thinks he's got a realistic shot of winning the nomination. And what people dislike about him really isn't anything ideological. They dislike his behaviors and his insulting style, and that shouldn't have any carry over to the other Republicans.

I guess the only area with potential for carry-over is the immigration issue, but I actually think that might help Republicans in the long run. Trump says some bizarre #### on this issue, but by and large the people overwhelmingly agree that something more needs to be done. In the absence of any major changes to the economy or geopolitical landscape, immigration may indeed be one of the most pivotal issues in this election, and one that I think Republicans can make a whole lot of headway on.

Keep him around as long as possible, and then let nature take its course when the polls start to reflect the voters getting more serious and more intelligent and Trump starts his inevitable decline. Keep him happy and treat him with respect for all he has done and he will do the right thing and support the Republicans in the election.

 
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To her credit, Megyn Kelly on her show last night reportedly did not respond to Trump's bashing of her, which means she gets it. If you fire back, you will get into a war of words with him, and he will never let up. Best to just ignore it and move on.
It's her job not to become the story. That said i thought she and the other moderators performed Thursday as if they were part of a junior high school debate. Her bringing up a quote from a reality TV show and making it a part of a question for a presidential debate was completely ridiculous. If Bob Denver were alive and ran for president would a moderator bring up that time he made a sexist comment to Ginger?
I agree Willie, but keep in mind this was the first debate of 10 and I think Fox did right by making it entertaining and a little less formal than normal. Lots of time left to be serious. For now, generate the interest level and get people engaged.
 
To her credit, Megyn Kelly on her show last night reportedly did not respond to Trump's bashing of her, which means she gets it. If you fire back, you will get into a war of words with him, and he will never let up. Best to just ignore it and move on.
It's her job not to become the story. That said i thought she and the other moderators performed Thursday as if they were part of a junior high school debate. Her bringing up a quote from a reality TV show and making it a part of a question for a presidential debate was completely ridiculous. If Bob Denver were alive and ran for president would a moderator bring up that time he made a sexist comment to Ginger?
I agree Willie, but keep in mind this was the first debate of 10 and I think Fox did right by making it entertaining and a little less formal than normal. Lots of time left to be serious. For now, generate the interest level and get people engaged.
Agreed. Moderators of these things always act so stiff, but Kelly pretty much acted like she always does: upbeat and a little silly, but still professional.

I do think the three moderators all fact checked Trump the hardest, like correcting him when he said that Rosie was the only female he ever bashed, but again, Trump runs his mouth so much that he brings that on himself. While I share his disdain for the media, if you repeatedly kick them in the shins, they will start kicking back, and some of that kicking came in the form of the way he was treated Thursday night.

 
To her credit, Megyn Kelly on her show last night reportedly did not respond to Trump's bashing of her, which means she gets it. If you fire back, you will get into a war of words with him, and he will never let up. Best to just ignore it and move on.
It's her job not to become the story. That said i thought she and the other moderators performed Thursday as if they were part of a junior high school debate. Her bringing up a quote from a reality TV show and making it a part of a question for a presidential debate was completely ridiculous. If Bob Denver were alive and ran for president would a moderator bring up that time he made a sexist comment to Ginger?
Big difference between a scripted TV show and a "reality" TV show. I know reality shows are often highly scripted, but nobody is writing lines for Trump and Trump is playing himself, not a character. I thought it was a completely reasonable question.
 
In hindsight I think the Moderators were actually doing Trump a favor with some of those questions. If they asked him for specifics on what he would do in the Midle East - that's where it starts to get really painful to watch.

Fox did it right. They went all out for the ratings and hit a grand slam homerun. It will be interesting to see how the next debate with CNN goes.

 
To her credit, Megyn Kelly on her show last night reportedly did not respond to Trump's bashing of her, which means she gets it. If you fire back, you will get into a war of words with him, and he will never let up. Best to just ignore it and move on.
It's her job not to become the story. That said i thought she and the other moderators performed Thursday as if they were part of a junior high school debate. Her bringing up a quote from a reality TV show and making it a part of a question for a presidential debate was completely ridiculous. If Bob Denver were alive and ran for president would a moderator bring up that time he made a sexist comment to Ginger?
Big difference between a scripted TV show and a "reality" TV show. I know reality shows are often highly scripted, but nobody is writing lines for Trump and Trump is playing himself, not a character. I thought it was a completely reasonable question.
He's playing a "trumped" up version of himself. It's his job to say provocative and wild things as to be entertaining. They just keep the camera rolling and let him keep talking. Then based on the options he's given them, the show is edited to make things look as controversial or shocking as possible. Often things are shown out of completely out of the context in which they were originally said. I don't know if he's being fed actual lines or not but scenes are outlined before the cameras roll. It's not like they act how they act would act in private and NBC sticks hidden cameras in there.

I don't know how that question even qualifies as a question for a debate. "You said said pretty racy things in the past, care to comment?" "You've declared bankruptcy 4 times, care to comment?" Those aren't debate questions. Debates are about articulating positions as to draw distinctions between candidates.

 
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To her credit, Megyn Kelly on her show last night reportedly did not respond to Trump's bashing of her, which means she gets it. If you fire back, you will get into a war of words with him, and he will never let up. Best to just ignore it and move on.
It's her job not to become the story. That said i thought she and the other moderators performed Thursday as if they were part of a junior high school debate. Her bringing up a quote from a reality TV show and making it a part of a question for a presidential debate was completely ridiculous. If Bob Denver were alive and ran for president would a moderator bring up that time he made a sexist comment to Ginger?
Big difference between a scripted TV show and a "reality" TV show. I know reality shows are often highly scripted, but nobody is writing lines for Trump and Trump is playing himself, not a character. I thought it was a completely reasonable question.
He's playing a "trumped" up version of himself. It's his job to say provocative and wild things as to be entertaining. They just keep the camera rolling and let him keep talking. Then based on the options he's given them, the show is edited to make things look as controversial or shocking as possible. Often things are shown out of completely out of the context in which they were originally said. I don't know if he's being fed actual lines or not but scenes are outlined before the cameras roll. It's not like they act how they act would act in private and NBC sticks hidden cameras in there.

I don't know how that question even qualifies as a question for a debate. "You said said pretty racy things in the past, care to comment?" "You've declared bankruptcy 4 times, care to comment?" Those aren't debate questions. Debates are about articulating positions as to draw distinctions between candidates.
Is he still playing a "trumped" up version of himself on CNN and the debates?

As for his pre-debate comments. He chose to say those things as himself. It's not playing a character or as part of a script. He said them about an actual person and not about another character. Trump is in total control over what would get put in or not put into that show. If Trump said something he regretted, he could have it removed. Also, that is to assume all the negative comments only occurred on "The Apprentice". That is just not true. Most of them did not. Also, the question wasn't just "care to comment." It was you are likely going to be running against a woman, how would you respond when she attacks you as being part of a war on women? Is your temperament presidential?

 
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