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Official 2016 GOP thread: Is it really going to be Donald Trump?? (3 Viewers)

Republicans are only 'anti-federalist' when there is an election or when Dems hold power.
Yeah, that was a tacked on comment. I'd agree with your point, but then again, I'd argue that political pressures, the majoritarian sentiments of R's regarding the S. Ct., and their focus on federalism given Democratic leanings toward federal and executive power would deflate your point a bit, if not negate it. The military is the major player in the R expansion of executive and federal power. That and Scalia's appointment to the Supreme Court was once considered also a nod to executive power, which, while maybe not accurate, was what I heard from certain experts. But for the most part, Republicans have tried to be federalists and Article I guys for a long time. Or at least that's the perception.

 
Also Reagan was never a "liberal" Democrat; he was a Truman Democrat, a centrist and anti-Communist. As Reagan put it, the Democratic Party left him, not the other way around.
Kind of like how the Republican party has left many of us these days.
Both parties have left everybody. I'm afraid the Democrats learned from the Republicans. - The Democratic Party, as a party, ie an entity, is just as geared towards social issues and wedging the American people into various demos. The thing is that the GOP chose maybe 2-3 groups (evangelicals, white men, Southerners, suburbanites...) and Democrats have taken several of the others and cobbled them into a remainder "coalition". That's not a controversial statement, that's the gameplan right now for Hillary to follow in 2016 what Obama did in 2008 & 2012.

Do people really want this? No, most of us are politicized and told to pick a side. Nearly every thing is politicized today.
This is the post where you are making excuses for the GOP and essentially equating he Democratic Party. Why not just admit that while neither Party is perfect, we are currently going through a period where the Republican Party is way way off the rails.
Yet the Republican Party did much better than the Democrats in the 2014 elections.
Hooray gerrymandering!

 
Also Reagan was never a "liberal" Democrat; he was a Truman Democrat, a centrist and anti-Communist. As Reagan put it, the Democratic Party left him, not the other way around.
Kind of like how the Republican party has left many of us these days.
Both parties have left everybody. I'm afraid the Democrats learned from the Republicans. - The Democratic Party, as a party, ie an entity, is just as geared towards social issues and wedging the American people into various demos. The thing is that the GOP chose maybe 2-3 groups (evangelicals, white men, Southerners, suburbanites...) and Democrats have taken several of the others and cobbled them into a remainder "coalition". That's not a controversial statement, that's the gameplan right now for Hillary to follow in 2016 what Obama did in 2008 & 2012.

Do people really want this? No, most of us are politicized and told to pick a side. Nearly every thing is politicized today.
This is the post where you are making excuses for the GOP and essentially equating he Democratic Party. Why not just admit that while neither Party is perfect, we are currently going through a period where the Republican Party is way way off the rails.
Yet the Republican Party did much better than the Democrats in the 2014 elections.
Hooray gerrymandering!
Once again, their wins weren't because of gerrymandering no matter how hard you try.

 
Also Reagan was never a "liberal" Democrat; he was a Truman Democrat, a centrist and anti-Communist. As Reagan put it, the Democratic Party left him, not the other way around.
Kind of like how the Republican party has left many of us these days.
Both parties have left everybody. I'm afraid the Democrats learned from the Republicans. - The Democratic Party, as a party, ie an entity, is just as geared towards social issues and wedging the American people into various demos. The thing is that the GOP chose maybe 2-3 groups (evangelicals, white men, Southerners, suburbanites...) and Democrats have taken several of the others and cobbled them into a remainder "coalition". That's not a controversial statement, that's the gameplan right now for Hillary to follow in 2016 what Obama did in 2008 & 2012.

Do people really want this? No, most of us are politicized and told to pick a side. Nearly every thing is politicized today.
This is the post where you are making excuses for the GOP and essentially equating he Democratic Party. Why not just admit that while neither Party is perfect, we are currently going through a period where the Republican Party is way way off the rails.
Yet the Republican Party did much better than the Democrats in the 2014 elections.
Hooray gerrymandering!
Once again, their wins weren't because of gerrymandering no matter how hard you try.
:lmao:

 
Also Reagan was never a "liberal" Democrat; he was a Truman Democrat, a centrist and anti-Communist. As Reagan put it, the Democratic Party left him, not the other way around.
Kind of like how the Republican party has left many of us these days.
Both parties have left everybody. I'm afraid the Democrats learned from the Republicans. - The Democratic Party, as a party, ie an entity, is just as geared towards social issues and wedging the American people into various demos. The thing is that the GOP chose maybe 2-3 groups (evangelicals, white men, Southerners, suburbanites...) and Democrats have taken several of the others and cobbled them into a remainder "coalition". That's not a controversial statement, that's the gameplan right now for Hillary to follow in 2016 what Obama did in 2008 & 2012.

Do people really want this? No, most of us are politicized and told to pick a side. Nearly every thing is politicized today.
This is the post where you are making excuses for the GOP and essentially equating he Democratic Party. Why not just admit that while neither Party is perfect, we are currently going through a period where the Republican Party is way way off the rails.
Yet the Republican Party did much better than the Democrats in the 2014 elections.
Hooray gerrymandering!
How does that impact how well the Republicans did in elections other than for Congress? The Senate? Governors? Etc

 
With a few exceptions (like the head of the DNC), I think many of the far left are far more off the rails than the Democratic party generally is (which annoys many liberals that their Democrats do not govern that way). It's why many on the left love Bernie Sanders so much, cause he's a far left socialist. For as much as she is a liar, a crook, and a generally unlikable person, Hillary is a fairly moderate liberal, and moderates are always better candidates. On the flip side, you have Huckabee, who is too much of a fundamentalist nut. Many in the GOP still haven't figured out that talking about God and Jesus all day isn't going to win over independents.

 
Yet the Republican Party did much better than the Democrats in the 2014 elections.
Hooray gerrymandering!
Once again, their wins weren't because of gerrymandering no matter how hard you try.
Not everyone agrees with that:

http://www.thenation.com/article/gerrymandering-rigged-2014-elections-republican-advantage/

Gerrymandering Rigged the 2014 Elections for Republican Advantage

In the midterm elections, Republicans appear to have won their largest House majority since the Hoover administration. Republicans won on the weakness of Democratic candidates, a poor resource-allocation strategy by Democratic party leadersparticularly Steve Israel, chair of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committeeand an election narrative that did little to inspire base Democratic voters. That being said, in many ways, the game was rigged from the start. The GOP benefitted from the most egregious gerrymandering in American history.

As Rolling Stone reported, GOP donors plowed cash into state legislative efforts in 2010 for the very purpose of redrawing congressional lines. In the following year, as the Tea Party wave brought hundreds of Republicans into office, newly empowered Republican governors and state legislatures carved congressional districts for maximum partisan advantage. Democrats attempted this too, but only in two states: Maryland and Illinois. For the GOP however, strictly partisan gerrymandering prevailed in Ohio, Pennsylvania Virginia, North Carolina, Georgia, Florida, Texas, Louisiana, Arizona, Tennessee and beyond.

Heres an example from the election last night. In Pennsylvania, one state in which the GOP drew the congressional districts in a brazenly partisan way, Democratic candidates collected 44 percent of the vote, yet Democratic candidates won only five House seats out of eighteen. In other words, Democrats secured only 27 percent of Pennsylvanias congressional seats despite winning nearly half of the votes. See the graph below: (found at link)

A similar dynamic played in North Carolina, another state in which GOP control in 2011 created intensely partisan congressional boundaries. In the 2014 midterm elections, Democrats in North Carolina secured only three out of thirteen seats (23 percent of NCs congressional delegation) even though Democratic candidates in that state won about 44 percent of the vote: (graph at link)

In 2012, the first congressional election after the last round of gerrymandering, Democratic House candidates won 50.59 percent of the voteor 1.37 million more votes than Republican candidatesyet secured only 201 seats in Congress, compared to 234 seats for Republicans. The House of Representatives, the "peoples house," no longer requires the most votes for power.

As the results from this year roll in, we see a similar dynamic. Republican gerrymandering means Democratic voters are packed tightly into single districts, while Republicans are spread out in such a way to translate into the most congressional seats for the GOP.

There are a lot of structural issues that influence congressional elections, from voter-ID requirements to early-voting access. But what does it matter if youve been packed into a district in which your vote cant change the composition of Congress?
 
So when is the next GOP debate? :popcorn:
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Also Reagan was never a "liberal" Democrat; he was a Truman Democrat, a centrist and anti-Communist. As Reagan put it, the Democratic Party left him, not the other way around.
Kind of like how the Republican party has left many of us these days.
Both parties have left everybody. I'm afraid the Democrats learned from the Republicans. - The Democratic Party, as a party, ie an entity, is just as geared towards social issues and wedging the American people into various demos. The thing is that the GOP chose maybe 2-3 groups (evangelicals, white men, Southerners, suburbanites...) and Democrats have taken several of the others and cobbled them into a remainder "coalition". That's not a controversial statement, that's the gameplan right now for Hillary to follow in 2016 what Obama did in 2008 & 2012.

Do people really want this? No, most of us are politicized and told to pick a side. Nearly every thing is politicized today.
This is the post where you are making excuses for the GOP and essentially equating he Democratic Party. Why not just admit that while neither Party is perfect, we are currently going through a period where the Republican Party is way way off the rails.
Yet the Republican Party did much better than the Democrats in the 2014 elections.
Hooray gerrymandering!
How does that impact how well the Republicans did in elections other than for Congress? The Senate? Governors? Etc
They gerrymandered those also!!!! :rant:

 
How does that impact how well the Republicans did in elections other than for Congress? The Senate? Governors? Etc
They gerrymandered those also!!!! :rant:
I was also enjoying this and decided to stop making the point I was making when I got too deeply into party affiliation numbers and polling, etc.

There's six years and Senate vulnerabilities, the Governorships might not be reflective of current party affiliation, etc.

It's a nice questioning of premises, though.

 
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Not everyone agrees with that:

http://www.thenation.com/article/gerrymandering-rigged-2014-elections-republican-advantage/

Gerrymandering Rigged the 2014 Elections for Republican Advantage

In the midterm elections, Republicans appear to have won their largest House majority since the Hoover administration. Republicans won on the weakness of Democratic candidates, a poor resource-allocation strategy by Democratic party leadersparticularly Steve Israel, chair of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committeeand an election narrative that did little to inspire base Democratic voters. That being said, in many ways, the game was rigged from the start. The GOP benefitted from the most egregious gerrymandering in American history.

As Rolling Stone reported, GOP donors plowed cash into state legislative efforts in 2010 for the very purpose of redrawing congressional lines. In the following year, as the Tea Party wave brought hundreds of Republicans into office, newly empowered Republican governors and state legislatures carved congressional districts for maximum partisan advantage. Democrats attempted this too, but only in two states: Maryland and Illinois. For the GOP however, strictly partisan gerrymandering prevailed in Ohio, Pennsylvania Virginia, North Carolina, Georgia, Florida, Texas, Louisiana, Arizona, Tennessee and beyond.

Heres an example from the election last night. In Pennsylvania, one state in which the GOP drew the congressional districts in a brazenly partisan way, Democratic candidates collected 44 percent of the vote, yet Democratic candidates won only five House seats out of eighteen. In other words, Democrats secured only 27 percent of Pennsylvanias congressional seats despite winning nearly half of the votes. See the graph below: (found at link)

A similar dynamic played in North Carolina, another state in which GOP control in 2011 created intensely partisan congressional boundaries. In the 2014 midterm elections, Democrats in North Carolina secured only three out of thirteen seats (23 percent of NCs congressional delegation) even though Democratic candidates in that state won about 44 percent of the vote: (graph at link)

In 2012, the first congressional election after the last round of gerrymandering, Democratic House candidates won 50.59 percent of the voteor 1.37 million more votes than Republican candidatesyet secured only 201 seats in Congress, compared to 234 seats for Republicans. The House of Representatives, the "peoples house," no longer requires the most votes for power.

As the results from this year roll in, we see a similar dynamic. Republican gerrymandering means Democratic voters are packed tightly into single districts, while Republicans are spread out in such a way to translate into the most congressional seats for the GOP.

There are a lot of structural issues that influence congressional elections, from voter-ID requirements to early-voting access. But what does it matter if youve been packed into a district in which your vote cant change the composition of Congress?
Not very convincing analysis. A real analysis would have determined how many seats would have been won under the old boundry lines. That is just how our system works. McCain won nearly 46 percent of the vote, but yet only about 32 percent of electorial votes. When you score only 44% of the votes, you are not winning 44% of the districts.

 
I'm almost certain we're getting Hilary vs Trump and Trump wins the whole damn thing. He's going to do a lot of good for our country.

He's going to bring us back to where we were and where we still should have been.

 
The opposing party to that which holds the White House nearly always makes gains in the midterm election. Is that not common knowledge?

 
I'm almost certain we're getting Hilary vs Trump and Trump wins the whole damn thing. He's going to do a lot of good for our country.

He's going to bring us back to where we were and where we still should have been.
Can you specifically tell me what is. 3 or 4 things that we "were" and "should still be"? I have asked this before of Trump supporters, but I can't get a specific answer.
 
I'm almost certain we're getting Hilary vs Trump and Trump wins the whole damn thing. He's going to do a lot of good for our country.

He's going to bring us back to where we were and where we still should have been.
Can you specifically tell me what is. 3 or 4 things that we "were" and "should still be"? I have asked this before of Trump supporters, but I can't get a specific answer.
For Em that means less black people and uppity women at work.
 
The opposing party to that which holds the White House nearly always makes gains in the midterm election. Is that not common knowledge?
I think it goes back to the level of state legislature power and governorships.

Maybe I'm misreading something, but that's what I'm touting.

Then again, every polling place in the land that doesn't do deep polling has Democrats at a huge advantage when they measure independent-leaning Dems vs. independent-leaning R's. That said, party affiliation for Democrats could be better also, though it isn't as bad as GOP affiliation. Independents are at an all-time high.

There seems to be no denying that, though as TGunZ asserted about something else I said in the thread, this is or should be sort of common knowledge. I just don't assume anything, really.

 
I'm almost certain we're getting Hilary vs Trump and Trump wins the whole damn thing. He's going to do a lot of good for our country.

He's going to bring us back to where we were and where we still should have been.
You are the bright shining future of the Republican Party, and I, for one, am very glad.

 
The opposing party to that which holds the White House nearly always makes gains in the midterm election. Is that not common knowledge?
If someone cares to check the stat I have heard is that Obama has lost more cumulative Congressional seats from his party under his watch than any president in modern history.Throw in the governorships and legislatures and it's just been a sea of red.

 
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Also Reagan was never a "liberal" Democrat; he was a Truman Democrat, a centrist and anti-Communist. As Reagan put it, the Democratic Party left him, not the other way around.
Kind of like how the Republican party has left many of us these days.
Both parties have left everybody. I'm afraid the Democrats learned from the Republicans. - The Democratic Party, as a party, ie an entity, is just as geared towards social issues and wedging the American people into various demos. The thing is that the GOP chose maybe 2-3 groups (evangelicals, white men, Southerners, suburbanites...) and Democrats have taken several of the others and cobbled them into a remainder "coalition". That's not a controversial statement, that's the gameplan right now for Hillary to follow in 2016 what Obama did in 2008 & 2012.

Do people really want this? No, most of us are politicized and told to pick a side. Nearly every thing is politicized today.
This is the post where you are making excuses for the GOP and essentially equating he Democratic Party. Why not just admit that while neither Party is perfect, we are currently going through a period where the Republican Party is way way off the rails.
Yet the Republican Party did much better than the Democrats in the 2014 elections.
Do you think the Republicans who voted for them are happy with what they've done in the past two years?

 
Also Reagan was never a "liberal" Democrat; he was a Truman Democrat, a centrist and anti-Communist. As Reagan put it, the Democratic Party left him, not the other way around.
Kind of like how the Republican party has left many of us these days.
Both parties have left everybody. I'm afraid the Democrats learned from the Republicans. - The Democratic Party, as a party, ie an entity, is just as geared towards social issues and wedging the American people into various demos. The thing is that the GOP chose maybe 2-3 groups (evangelicals, white men, Southerners, suburbanites...) and Democrats have taken several of the others and cobbled them into a remainder "coalition". That's not a controversial statement, that's the gameplan right now for Hillary to follow in 2016 what Obama did in 2008 & 2012.

Do people really want this? No, most of us are politicized and told to pick a side. Nearly every thing is politicized today.
This is the post where you are making excuses for the GOP and essentially equating he Democratic Party. Why not just admit that while neither Party is perfect, we are currently going through a period where the Republican Party is way way off the rails.
Yet the Republican Party did much better than the Democrats in the 2014 elections.
Do you think the Republicans who voted for them are happy with what they've done in the past two years?
For the most part yes. Again....this isn't just about The House and Senate. It's about all the other elections the Republicans won in 2014. There are many examples of states that are doing well because of their Republican governors. And what do you think the House and Senate can do with Obama threatening to veto anything he doesn't like?

 
Obama has lost 76 House seats, 15 Senate seats. Has any other president come close?http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/data/mid-term_elections.php
:rolleyes:A little misleading when you are only looking at mid-term elections.And FDR lost 117 House seats, which is the run away winner as far as House seats are concerned. Plus Truman lost 74 House seats and 18 Senate seats, which is ballpark to Obama's mid-term numbers.
So it seems to be an issue for Democrat Presidents. :lmao:

 
Obama has lost 76 House seats, 15 Senate seats. Has any other president come close?http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/data/mid-term_elections.php
:rolleyes:A little misleading when you are only looking at mid-term elections.And FDR lost 117 House seats, which is the run away winner as far as House seats are concerned. Plus Truman lost 74 House seats and 18 Senate seats, which is ballpark to Obama's mid-term numbers.
So it seems to be an issue for Democrat Presidents. :lmao:
Probably due to Republican gerrymandering way back then too, right?

 
I'm almost certain we're getting Hilary vs Trump and Trump wins the whole damn thing. He's going to do a lot of good for our country.

He's going to bring us back to where we were and where we still should have been.
Can you specifically tell me what is. 3 or 4 things that we "were" and "should still be"? I have asked this before of Trump supporters, but I can't get a specific answer.
1.) Immigration -

Our neighbor Mexico is beating us at the border and it's a disgrace. Trump is going to be tough on immigration because the money we spend on healthcare, jail, etc for these illegals can be used to create jobs. Hilary is weak on immigration and would let everyone in for all she cares.

2.) Trade -

We're getting beat by China, Japan, and Mexico in trade. Trump is going to bring jobs back to America and win the Mexican vote. He has a very large company and has trade partners across the globe. The Art of the Deal is one of the best selling business books of all time.

3.) Foreign Policy -

Our current foreign policy is a joke. Our allies hate us and our enemies are getting stronger by the day. Trump was against the 2 trillion dollar campaign in Iraq because he said it would destabilize the Middle East. Trump would be hard nosed with Iran who are trying to take over Iraq. Trump would cut off ISIS' money supply by bombing their oil fields.

4.) Social Issues -

Trump doesn't have time to be politically correct. He's going to crush the liberal media as he has done so far. He speaks the truth and I don't think he'll be soft and allow all this race baiting and victim mentality from the GLBT to continue. He's a hard nosed Christian and I think he empowers people when he roasts people in the media.

He says everything you wish other politicians would. He will stop the liberal, sissy takeover we've seen. He doesn't care what people think he only cares about the truth.

 
I'm almost certain we're getting Hilary vs Trump and Trump wins the whole damn thing. He's going to do a lot of good for our country.

He's going to bring us back to where we were and where we still should have been.
Can you specifically tell me what is. 3 or 4 things that we "were" and "should still be"? I have asked this before of Trump supporters, but I can't get a specific answer.
1.) Immigration -Our neighbor Mexico is beating us at the border and it's a disgrace. Trump is going to be tough on immigration because the money we spend on healthcare, jail, etc for these illegals can be used to create jobs. Hilary is weak on immigration and would let everyone in for all she cares.

2.) Trade -

We're getting beat by China, Japan, and Mexico in trade. Trump is going to bring jobs back to America and win the Mexican vote. He has a very large company and has trade partners across the globe. The Art of the Deal is one of the best selling business books of all time.

3.) Foreign Policy -

Our current foreign policy is a joke. Our allies hate us and our enemies are getting stronger by the day. Trump was against the 2 trillion dollar campaign in Iraq because he said it would destabilize the Middle East. Trump would be hard nosed with Iran who are trying to take over Iraq. Trump would cut off ISIS' money supply by bombing their oil fields.

4.) Social Issues -

Trump doesn't have time to be politically correct. He's going to crush the liberal media as he has done so far. He speaks the truth and I don't think he'll be soft and allow all this race baiting and victim mentality from the GLBT to continue. He's a hard nosed Christian and I think he empowers people when he roasts people in the media.

He says everything you wish other politicians would. He will stop the liberal, sissy takeover we've seen. He doesn't care what people think he only cares about the truth.
Let's start with trade, what do you mean we are getting beat by China or Mexico on trade? How are they beating us? Trump will bring jobs back to America? How?
 
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I'm almost certain we're getting Hilary vs Trump and Trump wins the whole damn thing. He's going to do a lot of good for our country.

He's going to bring us back to where we were and where we still should have been.
Can you specifically tell me what is. 3 or 4 things that we "were" and "should still be"? I have asked this before of Trump supporters, but I can't get a specific answer.
1.) Immigration -Our neighbor Mexico is beating us at the border and it's a disgrace. Trump is going to be tough on immigration because the money we spend on healthcare, jail, etc for these illegals can be used to create jobs. Hilary is weak on immigration and would let everyone in for all she cares.

2.) Trade -

We're getting beat by China, Japan, and Mexico in trade. Trump is going to bring jobs back to America and win the Mexican vote. He has a very large company and has trade partners across the globe. The Art of the Deal is one of the best selling business books of all time.

3.) Foreign Policy -

Our current foreign policy is a joke. Our allies hate us and our enemies are getting stronger by the day. Trump was against the 2 trillion dollar campaign in Iraq because he said it would destabilize the Middle East. Trump would be hard nosed with Iran who are trying to take over Iraq. Trump would cut off ISIS' money supply by bombing their oil fields.

4.) Social Issues -

Trump doesn't have time to be politically correct. He's going to crush the liberal media as he has done so far. He speaks the truth and I don't think he'll be soft and allow all this race baiting and victim mentality from the GLBT to continue. He's a hard nosed Christian and I think he empowers people when he roasts people in the media.

He says everything you wish other politicians would. He will stop the liberal, sissy takeover we've seen. He doesn't care what people think he only cares about the truth.
Let's start with trade, what do you mean we are getting beat by China or Mexico on trade? How are they beating us? Trump will bring jobs back to America? How?
They're taking our jobs and are in bed with big business of our country. Ford was going to build a 2 billion dollar plant in Tennessee and at the last minute they decided to build in Mexico. We have Mexican workers making cars for American companies that are being sold in America. It's nuts. In no way do we benefit.On top of that, if you compare the amount of cars we buy from Japan versus what they buy from us it's a disgrace. We keep making bad deals and with Trump in control he will put big business in it's place. We have such a great nation of hard working people, we need these jobs here in America.

 
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Obama has lost 76 House seats, 15 Senate seats. Has any other president come close?

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/data/mid-term_elections.php
The answer is right there in your own link. Roosevelt lost 141 seats his last two mid-terms; Truman lost 92 seats, and Eisenhower lost 80. Ford lost 53 in his only midterm.
You shouldn't have brought up Ike and Ford, ruins the false meme that it only happens to presidents who are Democrats (which I had been looking forward to being repeated by the bright minds who never actually bothered to read the link).

 
I'm almost certain we're getting Hilary vs Trump and Trump wins the whole damn thing. He's going to do a lot of good for our country.

He's going to bring us back to where we were and where we still should have been.
Can you specifically tell me what is. 3 or 4 things that we "were" and "should still be"? I have asked this before of Trump supporters, but I can't get a specific answer.
1.) Immigration -Our neighbor Mexico is beating us at the border and it's a disgrace. Trump is going to be tough on immigration because the money we spend on healthcare, jail, etc for these illegals can be used to create jobs. Hilary is weak on immigration and would let everyone in for all she cares.

2.) Trade -

We're getting beat by China, Japan, and Mexico in trade. Trump is going to bring jobs back to America and win the Mexican vote. He has a very large company and has trade partners across the globe. The Art of the Deal is one of the best selling business books of all time.

3.) Foreign Policy -

Our current foreign policy is a joke. Our allies hate us and our enemies are getting stronger by the day. Trump was against the 2 trillion dollar campaign in Iraq because he said it would destabilize the Middle East. Trump would be hard nosed with Iran who are trying to take over Iraq. Trump would cut off ISIS' money supply by bombing their oil fields.

4.) Social Issues -

Trump doesn't have time to be politically correct. He's going to crush the liberal media as he has done so far. He speaks the truth and I don't think he'll be soft and allow all this race baiting and victim mentality from the GLBT to continue. He's a hard nosed Christian and I think he empowers people when he roasts people in the media.

He says everything you wish other politicians would. He will stop the liberal, sissy takeover we've seen. He doesn't care what people think he only cares about the truth.
Let's start with trade, what do you mean we are getting beat by China or Mexico on trade? How are they beating us? Trump will bring jobs back to America? How?
They're taking our jobs and are in bed with big business of our country. Ford was going to build a 2 billion dollar plant in Tennessee and at the last minute they decided to build in Mexico. We have Mexican workers making cars for American companies that are being sold in America. It's nuts. In no way do we benefit.On top of that, if you compare the amount of cars we buy from Japan versus what they buy from us it's a disgrace. We keep making bad deals and with Trump in control he will put big business in it's place. We have such a great nation of hard working people, we need these jobs here in America.
I am so very very happy you are a Republican. Thank you.

 
I'm almost certain we're getting Hilary vs Trump and Trump wins the whole damn thing. He's going to do a lot of good for our country.

He's going to bring us back to where we were and where we still should have been.
Can you specifically tell me what is. 3 or 4 things that we "were" and "should still be"? I have asked this before of Trump supporters, but I can't get a specific answer.
1.) Immigration -Our neighbor Mexico is beating us at the border and it's a disgrace. Trump is going to be tough on immigration because the money we spend on healthcare, jail, etc for these illegals can be used to create jobs. Hilary is weak on immigration and would let everyone in for all she cares.

2.) Trade -

We're getting beat by China, Japan, and Mexico in trade. Trump is going to bring jobs back to America and win the Mexican vote. He has a very large company and has trade partners across the globe. The Art of the Deal is one of the best selling business books of all time.

3.) Foreign Policy -

Our current foreign policy is a joke. Our allies hate us and our enemies are getting stronger by the day. Trump was against the 2 trillion dollar campaign in Iraq because he said it would destabilize the Middle East. Trump would be hard nosed with Iran who are trying to take over Iraq. Trump would cut off ISIS' money supply by bombing their oil fields.

4.) Social Issues -

Trump doesn't have time to be politically correct. He's going to crush the liberal media as he has done so far. He speaks the truth and I don't think he'll be soft and allow all this race baiting and victim mentality from the GLBT to continue. He's a hard nosed Christian and I think he empowers people when he roasts people in the media.

He says everything you wish other politicians would. He will stop the liberal, sissy takeover we've seen. He doesn't care what people think he only cares about the truth.
Let's start with trade, what do you mean we are getting beat by China or Mexico on trade? How are they beating us? Trump will bring jobs back to America? How?
They're taking our jobs and are in bed with big business of our country. Ford was going to build a 2 billion dollar plant in Tennessee and at the last minute they decided to build in Mexico. We have Mexican workers making cars for American companies that are being sold in America. It's nuts. In no way do we benefit.On top of that, if you compare the amount of cars we buy from Japan versus what they buy from us it's a disgrace. We keep making bad deals and with Trump in control he will put big business in it's place. We have such a great nation of hard working people, we need these jobs here in America.
I'm excited about the $50,000 Ford Focus coming out in a couple years.
 
Obama has lost 76 House seats, 15 Senate seats. Has any other president come close?http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/data/mid-term_elections.php
The answer is right there in your own link. Roosevelt lost 141 seats his last two mid-terms; Truman lost 92 seats, and Eisenhower lost 80. Ford lost 53 in his only midterm.
You shouldn't have brought up Ike and Ford, ruins the false meme that it only happens to presidents who are Democrats (which I had been looking forward to being repeated by the bright minds who never actually bothered to read the link).
No one said it only happens to Democrats.....they just happen to lead the way.

 
I'm almost certain we're getting Hilary vs Trump and Trump wins the whole damn thing. He's going to do a lot of good for our country.

He's going to bring us back to where we were and where we still should have been.
Can you specifically tell me what is. 3 or 4 things that we "were" and "should still be"? I have asked this before of Trump supporters, but I can't get a specific answer.
1.) Immigration -Our neighbor Mexico is beating us at the border and it's a disgrace. Trump is going to be tough on immigration because the money we spend on healthcare, jail, etc for these illegals can be used to create jobs. Hilary is weak on immigration and would let everyone in for all she cares.

2.) Trade -

We're getting beat by China, Japan, and Mexico in trade. Trump is going to bring jobs back to America and win the Mexican vote. He has a very large company and has trade partners across the globe. The Art of the Deal is one of the best selling business books of all time.

3.) Foreign Policy -

Our current foreign policy is a joke. Our allies hate us and our enemies are getting stronger by the day. Trump was against the 2 trillion dollar campaign in Iraq because he said it would destabilize the Middle East. Trump would be hard nosed with Iran who are trying to take over Iraq. Trump would cut off ISIS' money supply by bombing their oil fields.

4.) Social Issues -

Trump doesn't have time to be politically correct. He's going to crush the liberal media as he has done so far. He speaks the truth and I don't think he'll be soft and allow all this race baiting and victim mentality from the GLBT to continue. He's a hard nosed Christian and I think he empowers people when he roasts people in the media.

He says everything you wish other politicians would. He will stop the liberal, sissy takeover we've seen. He doesn't care what people think he only cares about the truth.
Let's start with trade, what do you mean we are getting beat by China or Mexico on trade? How are they beating us? Trump will bring jobs back to America? How?
They're taking our jobs and are in bed with big business of our country. Ford was going to build a 2 billion dollar plant in Tennessee and at the last minute they decided to build in Mexico. We have Mexican workers making cars for American companies that are being sold in America. It's nuts. In no way do we benefit.On top of that, if you compare the amount of cars we buy from Japan versus what they buy from us it's a disgrace. We keep making bad deals and with Trump in control he will put big business in it's place. We have such a great nation of hard working people, we need these jobs here in America.
That doesn't explain how he will do it. Also, he produces his own clothing line outside of America because he knows labor is cheaper there. Don't you think the cost of goods would rise if we shifted the production to the U.S.? Or worse, it pushes businesses to leave the U.S.? I just would like some details on how he does this. Finally, is a trade deficit automatically a bad thing? Isn't it also a sign that we have so much wealth that we are able to import anything and everything we want? We have the largest GDP in the world, 70% larger than China. Our GDP is 4x that of Japan. They can't afford to buy as much from us as we can from them. We also have about 200 million more people living here. We need a lot more cars than Japan does.

 
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Obama has lost 76 House seats, 15 Senate seats. Has any other president come close?

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/data/mid-term_elections.php
The answer is right there in your own link. Roosevelt lost 141 seats his last two mid-terms; Truman lost 92 seats, and Eisenhower lost 80. Ford lost 53 in his only midterm.
Ok thanks, I didn't have time to check before, I think this was something I heard on Meet The Press a couple weeks back.

FDR was -117 House, -6 Senate net in three elections. Ike was -66/-14 in 2, Ford was -48/-5 in one election.

Ford of course was post Watergate scandal, people were really disgusted and Obama has done worse than that.

So it's been since FDR. And GW Bush in that groundbreaking swing went -22/-4, that was post financial crash and Iraq and Obama has done worse than that. I'm sure you also know the story on governorships and legislatures, which have broken red in a major way.

That's actually not a criticism of Obama from a GOP perspective, that's a criticism from a Democratic perspective.

 
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Obama has lost 76 House seats, 15 Senate seats. Has any other president come close?http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/data/mid-term_elections.php
The answer is right there in your own link. Roosevelt lost 141 seats his last two mid-terms; Truman lost 92 seats, and Eisenhower lost 80. Ford lost 53 in his only midterm.
You shouldn't have brought up Ike and Ford, ruins the false meme that it only happens to presidents who are Democrats (which I had been looking forward to being repeated by the bright minds who never actually bothered to read the link).
No one said it only happens to Democrats.....they just happen to lead the way.
So it seems to be an issue for Democrat Presidents.
:whistle:

 
Obama has lost 76 House seats, 15 Senate seats. Has any other president come close?http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/data/mid-term_elections.php
The answer is right there in your own link. Roosevelt lost 141 seats his last two mid-terms; Truman lost 92 seats, and Eisenhower lost 80. Ford lost 53 in his only midterm.
You shouldn't have brought up Ike and Ford, ruins the false meme that it only happens to presidents who are Democrats (which I had been looking forward to being repeated by the bright minds who never actually bothered to read the link).
No one said it only happens to Democrats.....they just happen to lead the way.
So it seems to be an issue for Democrat Presidents.
:whistle:
:lmao: yes....they are leading the way.

 
I'm almost certain we're getting Hilary vs Trump and Trump wins the whole damn thing. He's going to do a lot of good for our country.

He's going to bring us back to where we were and where we still should have been.
Can you specifically tell me what is. 3 or 4 things that we "were" and "should still be"? I have asked this before of Trump supporters, but I can't get a specific answer.
1.) Immigration -Our neighbor Mexico is beating us at the border and it's a disgrace. Trump is going to be tough on immigration because the money we spend on healthcare, jail, etc for these illegals can be used to create jobs. Hilary is weak on immigration and would let everyone in for all she cares.

2.) Trade -

We're getting beat by China, Japan, and Mexico in trade. Trump is going to bring jobs back to America and win the Mexican vote. He has a very large company and has trade partners across the globe. The Art of the Deal is one of the best selling business books of all time.

3.) Foreign Policy -

Our current foreign policy is a joke. Our allies hate us and our enemies are getting stronger by the day. Trump was against the 2 trillion dollar campaign in Iraq because he said it would destabilize the Middle East. Trump would be hard nosed with Iran who are trying to take over Iraq. Trump would cut off ISIS' money supply by bombing their oil fields.

4.) Social Issues -

Trump doesn't have time to be politically correct. He's going to crush the liberal media as he has done so far. He speaks the truth and I don't think he'll be soft and allow all this race baiting and victim mentality from the GLBT to continue. He's a hard nosed Christian and I think he empowers people when he roasts people in the media.

He says everything you wish other politicians would. He will stop the liberal, sissy takeover we've seen. He doesn't care what people think he only cares about the truth.
Let's start with trade, what do you mean we are getting beat by China or Mexico on trade? How are they beating us? Trump will bring jobs back to America? How?
They're taking our jobs and are in bed with big business of our country. Ford was going to build a 2 billion dollar plant in Tennessee and at the last minute they decided to build in Mexico. We have Mexican workers making cars for American companies that are being sold in America. It's nuts. In no way do we benefit.On top of that, if you compare the amount of cars we buy from Japan versus what they buy from us it's a disgrace. We keep making bad deals and with Trump in control he will put big business in it's place. We have such a great nation of hard working people, we need these jobs here in America.
I'm excited about the $50,000 Ford Focus coming out in a couple years.
This is a bit of a myth. Over 70% of Japanese cars sold in America are made in the US. Yes, the profits go to the Japanese companies but they did create a lot of jobs for Americans.http://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2013/11/01/japanese-branded-cars-increasingly-made-in-america-by-americans/

 
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Probably more amazing is that Hoover ended a period where the R's were in the majority in the senate for 62 out of 72 years.

-QG

 
squistion said:
Obama has lost 76 House seats, 15 Senate seats. Has any other president come close?http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/data/mid-term_elections.php
The answer is right there in your own link. Roosevelt lost 141 seats his last two mid-terms; Truman lost 92 seats, and Eisenhower lost 80. Ford lost 53 in his only midterm.
You shouldn't have brought up Ike and Ford, ruins the false meme that it only happens to presidents who are Democrats (which I had been looking forward to being repeated by the bright minds who never actually bothered to read the link).
No one said it only happens to Democrats.....they just happen to lead the way.
So it seems to be an issue for Democrat Presidents.
:whistle:
yes....they are leading the way.
But not only happening to them as you claimed no one said (except you of course).
I never said that but keep reaching Squirt. Just look at the data and see what party has lost more seats in recent years.

 
25% of the Republican Party agrees with Eminence. What more needs to be said? Talk your way out of that one, rockaction! Explain it, BeaverCleaver! Try to find a liberal analogy, Max Threshold!

Just admit you guys are ####ed.

 

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