Official 2016 GOP thread: Is it really going to be Donald Trump?? (2 Viewers)

[TobiasFunke]

I'm curious. Do you think the FAA keeps the American skies safe and make flying a safe activity?

I think they try.

Again, you seem not to understand what's going on here. There's "he did a good job keeping us as safe as possible" (which isn't true IMO but isn't really a big deal). And there's "he kept us safe" with a picture of him standing on top of the World Trade Center rubble, which is just mind-bogglingly stupid. It's like a guy claiming they kept a woman from getting pregnant with a picture of her holding his baby, and you're claiming it's no big deal because he used a condom and he didn't knock her up again after that.

 

[Sweet J]

I really hate to say this, but that debate has continued me warming up to Jeb Bush. I think being surrounded by a bunch of nutballs makes him seem reasonable and . . . Presidential. I thought to myself last night, "ok, I think I could be ok with a Bush presidency."

I think that is a testament to the crazy that he is surrounded by. Think about it:

Trump declares that he will immediately start the process to deport all illegals once he's president, and NOBODY called out his crazy. Sure, some folks gave tepid pushback, but nobody said: "That's the most ridiculous and assinine idea in the history of ideas." MILLIONS deported, which means either (1) no due process first, or (2) adequate due process leading to it never ever ever ever being able to be accomplished." SOMEBODY should have called him a moron.

And when he blamed vaccinations for autism, NOBODY called him a moron. Ben Carson gave a half-hearted pushback, and then AGREED with Trump once Trump explained himself.

My conclusion is that everybody is afraid of Trump. Which, in my opinion, should disqualify them right there.

Rubio comes across like a child.

Fiorino comes across as too shrill. And the attack on Planned Parenthood? Jesus, lady.

Christie is an ###.

Carson actually comes across reasonable, but . . . I'd have a hard time voting for a biblical literalist.

Kashich isn't killing it.

Walker - meh.

Santorum no thanks

Cruz comes across as the biggest ### of the entire bunch. I want to punch him in the shmarmy face.

I actually like Rand Paul, and I REALLY like his libertarian views. But he isn't really presidential material either.

The only one in that group I would feel comfortable voting for is Bush. I'd want to know more about his specific policies, howerver. Because if it ends up Bush v. Clinton (part duex), it's really just a choice between two Republicans anyway, so you might as well go for the one who's word you trust.

 

[SIDA!]

I'm curious. Do you think the FAA keeps the American skies safe and make flying a safe activity?

I think they try.

Again, you seem not to understand what's going on here. There's "he did a good job keeping us as safe as possible" (which isn't true IMO but isn't really a big deal). And there's "he kept us safe" with a picture of him standing on top of the World Trade Center rubble, which is just mind-bogglingly stupid. It's like a guy claiming they kept a woman from getting pregnant with a picture of her holding his baby, and you're claiming it's no big deal because he used a condom and he didn't knock her up again after that.

I don't see it that way.

I get the point that you are trying to make, but it comes off to me as just a cheap, late night punchline that people want to seize upon her doing a social media circle jerk on. I get the optics.

But, it is akin to the dumb #### that was being spewed by liberals when Romney said he had binders full of women instead of women's resumes.

And many of the same people who jump on #### like this are the same ones who talk about how infantile our politicians are and how we need to be more nuanced when discussing policy.

If I had a dollar for every single social media crusader bumping their gums about this who also roll their eyes and dismiss any arguments by people like who argue that illegal aliens have killed more Americans than 9/11 over the same period...I could retire.

"He kept us safe" doesn't mean he placed each and every American in bubble wrap.

You can lock your doors, turn on the alarm and put your family to bed. Heck, you can even own a gun and undergo self defense training. If some lunatic drunk driver slams their car into your home and kills a family member, did you fail to keep your family safe? I mean come on.

There is no such thing as anybody, any city or town, or police department or any president "keeping anyone safe" then if this is the definition that we are using.

 

[FlapJacks]

No mention of this amazing Jeb! tweet yet?

Might not be dumbest presidential candidate tweet in the history of Twitter but right now I can't think of a dumber one.

Jeb has said much dumber things, but clearly the intent is to say that after 9/11, we didn't get hit again, while other parts of the civilized world have. As a leader and having to build the infrastructure to detect and prevent a new type of threat, the leadership does deserve some credit.

 

[FlapJacks]

Can't stand Jeb Bush, but love the hysterics about the comment he made with respect to his brother.

The fact of the matter is that had you taken a poll a month or so after 9/11 about whether or not Americans thought there would be another terrorist attack during Bush's presidency, you better believe that number would have been sky high.

Through Bush and Obama...it has been quite an amazing job on their part thus far. I mean, not even a random suicide bomber on a bus, etc.

I know there have been some questionable incidents, but all in all, in a nation of over 300 million people, I think both administrations have done a heck of a job.

Lot of silly nit-picking talk going on in here and on the innernets right now.

agreed...just a lot of dumb....they know what he meant

 

[FlapJacks]

To people defending Jeb: If 9/11 happened on Obama's watch, would you say Obama kept America safe?

My guess is that if you were to take a poll of republican voters, at least 10% would say 9/11 was on either Clinton's or Obama's watch.

let's look at Clinton's watch

WTC bombed in 1993

Khobar Towers bombed

embassies bombed

Bin Laden offered up for extradition, but Clinton refused

90% of planning for 9/11 occurred

Legal wall put up to prevent sharing of intelligence between agencies

yeah, nice job....

 

[NREC34]

I really hate to say this, but that debate has continued me warming up to Jeb Bush. I think being surrounded by a bunch of nutballs makes him seem reasonable and . . . Presidential. I thought to myself last night, "ok, I think I could be ok with a Bush presidency."

I think that is a testament to the crazy that he is surrounded by. Think about it:

Trump declares that he will immediately start the process to deport all illegals once he's president, and NOBODY called out his crazy. Sure, some folks gave tepid pushback, but nobody said: "That's the most ridiculous and assinine idea in the history of ideas." MILLIONS deported, which means either (1) no due process first, or (2) adequate due process leading to it never ever ever ever being able to be accomplished." SOMEBODY should have called him a moron.

And when he blamed vaccinations for autism, NOBODY called him a moron. Ben Carson gave a half-hearted pushback, and then AGREED with Trump once Trump explained himself.

My conclusion is that everybody is afraid of Trump. Which, in my opinion, should disqualify them right there.

Rubio comes across like a child.

Fiorino comes across as too shrill. And the attack on Planned Parenthood? Jesus, lady.

Christie is an ###.

Carson actually comes across reasonable, but . . . I'd have a hard time voting for a biblical literalist.

Kashich isn't killing it.

Walker - meh.

Santorum no thanks

Cruz comes across as the biggest ### of the entire bunch. I want to punch him in the shmarmy face.

I actually like Rand Paul, and I REALLY like his libertarian views. But he isn't really presidential material either.

The only one in that group I would feel comfortable voting for is Bush. I'd want to know more about his specific policies, howerver. Because if it ends up Bush v. Clinton (part duex), it's really just a choice between two Republicans anyway, so you might as well go for the one who's word you trust.

Good post. If I had to vote for one I think it'd be Kasich. Really liked what he was saying about shutting down the govt being a dumb idea and trying to work with the other side. Of course that kills him by being reasonable like that.

But Bush might be my second choice. Really seems like one of the few grown ups in the room out of that bunch and doesn't seem like he'd be anything like his brother.

 

[cubd8]

My high level thoughts on last night's debate:

Santorum: Religious nut who doesn't respect Marbury vs. Madison and the Supreme Court claiming God's Law trumps Federal Law because MLK made it so.

Jindal: Trying really hard to be overly aggressive that it felt like a last act of desperation so funds could be runny dry and the clock could be ticking.

Pataki: Nice enough guy with a couple positive resume items, but looks out of his element other than when he destroyed Santorum on the rule of law.

Graham: Looked sharp, off the cuff, flowed well and unrehearsed, was was the best and most informed of this group by far, but this passion and energy is likely too little, too late.

Rand Paul: Looks like a decrepit ferret, but he's an honest man. His policies are in la-la land and are way out of touch with reality, but you never feel like he's lying here. Still and afterthought. Would make a good historian though.

Mike Huckagee: Like Santorum, believe's God's Law beats Federal Law. Immediately classes this witty guy as a religious hack job and he remains an afterthought.

Marco Rubio: The most effective, clear, concise, informed, articulate and well prepared of the candidates. Doing his thing and waiting to catch fire.

Ted Cruz: Seemed to stare at the camera too much. Responses seemed like over the top theater. Take positions on things you know he's too smart to really believe as he searches for a populist vein to tap.

Ben Carson: Sleepy. Quieet and out of the conversation during the tough questions. Likes to answer philosophically but seems highly uninformed on major issues. Very passive person. Not remotely assertive.

Trump: Ah, Trump. Spent most of the night insulting people, replied repeatedly he had no idea on key issues but would learn AFTER getting elected. Was hammered by his peers all night and exposed as someone who is unprepared and brings little substance to the table other than general vague rhetoric of his view on his own ability.

Jeb Bush: Comes across like a stiff personality-less nerd. Feels like he'll stand behind his core beliefs to the end and that may do him in regardless of his war chest. This guy isn't connecting with anyone.

Scott Walker: Seemed like he practiced his lines 100x and then fired them in whenever he could even if they didn't fit. Was less than impressive and far less memorable. Lack of personality and lots of sweat probably will cost him.

Carli Fiorina: Most dominant and informed and well spoken outsider in the group. She crushed Carson and Trump on specifics, details and clarity. She backed down from nobody even after the most aggressive personal attacks. She chewed up Carson and Trump in head to heads. She's formidable.

John Kasich: Best resume on the stage. Stays above the fray. Seems content to circle the edges while the others kill themselves. Feeling his resume will keep his standing as the others die off one by one, and then he'll contrast that resume with whoever is left.

Chris Christie: Seemed uncharacteristically canned and rehearsed. The over the top looking into the camera stuff didn't play with me. Or did the cut everyone off from talking about their resume AFTER he spent four questions detailing his including as a Prosecutor. Who thought up that kind of attack? Fire that guy.

My personal rankings:

1) Rubio

2) Fiorina

3) Kasich

4) Walker

5) Bush

6) Christie

7) Paul

8) Trump

9) Graham

10) Huckabee

11) Cruz

12) Jindal

13) Pataki

14) Stantorum

15) Gilmore

 

[Sinn Fein]

To people defending Jeb: If 9/11 happened on Obama's watch, would you say Obama kept America safe?

My guess is that if you were to take a poll of republican voters, at least 10% would say 9/11 was on either Clinton's or Obama's watch.

let's look at Clinton's watch

WTC bombed in 1993

Khobar Towers bombed

embassies bombed

Bin Laden offered up for extradition, but Clinton refused

90% of planning for 9/11 occurred

Legal wall put up to prevent sharing of intelligence between agencies

yeah, nice job....

I don't think you really want to keep score. Bush sent quite a number of young men and women to their death unnecessarily - the ramifications we are still dealing with.

 

[bakes]

Please let me know when Hillary is stupid enough to stand at any of the above locales and state that Bill kept us safe.

 

[shadrap]

This middle east Muslim thing is a problem. Duh. We need oil, they need the money from oil. They also need the money from oil to kill us and other non-muslims. We have an interest in the area because, well we just do. Any chance we get the F out & deal with our own country 1st? I really would like to see us be selfish for once. Thing is, anything previously mentioned & present ideas to solve them has tentacles that reach far & wide. There is no 80% sound strategy. Wish there was. It's a cluster of epic proportions.

Thanks for listening. Wrong forum.

The end

 

[Capella]

I'm curious. Do you think the FAA keeps the American skies safe and make flying a safe activity?

When was the last time anything bad has happened knock on wood? I think everybody is doing a great job.

 

[Joe Summer]

To people defending Jeb: If 9/11 happened on Obama's watch, would you say Obama kept America safe?

Better yet, would you say that Obama is keeping America safe?

 

[FlapJacks]

To people defending Jeb: If 9/11 happened on Obama's watch, would you say Obama kept America safe?

My guess is that if you were to take a poll of republican voters, at least 10% would say 9/11 was on either Clinton's or Obama's watch.

let's look at Clinton's watch

WTC bombed in 1993

Khobar Towers bombed

embassies bombed

Bin Laden offered up for extradition, but Clinton refused

90% of planning for 9/11 occurred

Legal wall put up to prevent sharing of intelligence between agencies

yeah, nice job....

I don't think you really want to keep score. Bush sent quite a number of young men and women to their death unnecessarily - the ramifications we are still dealing with.

both parties were gung ho about going to war in Iraq. Clinton and his entire administration were puffing the WMD argument for a couple of years creating a climate were most in Washington were convinced that it Iraq was an imminent threat. Iraq did have a nuclear weapons program and Obama has said that a nuclear weapons program in Iran would be a pretext for war. George Tenet said it was a slam dunk. HRC was a big yes voter.

Once the region had stabilized, the Obama administration failed to put pressure on Maliki to treat the Sunnis better and did not negotiate a new forces agreement.

And to top it off, after now seeing how costly and dangerous regime change was in Iraq, they pursued the SAME policy in Syria and Libya, turning those places into hell holes and basically weaponized ISIS.in the process.

 

[Hilts]

Even if Bush meant it in a different way than it came out, why the heck would he tweet it? Off the cuff, maybe. He's been in politics long enough to know better. If he and his advisors thought that was a good picture and comment to run with then they're out of touch and complete morons. Not exactly what you want in a President.

 

[Daywalker]

I look at the field and think Christie really missed an opportunity here. Still think he has a chance.

 

[shadrap]

put me in the Rubio, Carson, R. Paul group for now. I really don't think anyone of them is in it for the power trip, but actually has the country first. You may disagree w/ Carson on social issues but the guy actually did raise his self up from nowhere. I'm Not in favor of any more nation building & getting into useless conflicts in the middle east that gets anyone killed or maimed. They seem to a great job all by themselves without us.

I cower a little when these candidates think they have to talk tough on foreign policy. It's such a region(middle east) that the more it changes, the more it remains the same.

Just wish things were better.

 

[Sweet J]

15) Gilmore

Artis Gilmore?

Millard Filmore?

 

[Hilts]

15) Gilmore

Artis Gilmore?

Millard Filmore?

Happy.

 

[MaxThreshold]

So, has this thread come back to normalcy talking about the GOP and the debate? Unfortunately I was unable to see the debate last night and was looking for good, honest reviews.

It was simply unbearable being in here last night with the lefty hater jerk-off going on.

 

[Daywalker]

Think what was eye-opening about the debate was how little the economy was talked about. Really only on raising the minimum wage and increasing taxes at the top. Most of the field was either for that or wavering.

 

[joffer]

So, has this thread come back to normalcy talking about the GOP and the debate? Unfortunately I was unable to see the debate last night and was looking for good, honest reviews.

It was simply unbearable being in here last night with the lefty hater jerk-off going on.

i vote lefty hater jerkoff

 

[The Commish]

So, has this thread come back to normalcy talking about the GOP and the debate? Unfortunately I was unable to see the debate last night and was looking for good, honest reviews.

It was simply unbearable being in here last night with the lefty hater jerk-off going on.

Here's an honest review.

That many people on a stage is a bad idea and doesn't benefit any of them. It was a couple hours of diarrhea of the mouth and we didn't really learn anything new. The "lefty hater jerk-off" was justified based on what was being presented over the airwaves. Can't #### on two pieces of bread and call it anything but a #### sandwich.

 

[MaxThreshold]

So, has this thread come back to normalcy talking about the GOP and the debate? Unfortunately I was unable to see the debate last night and was looking for good, honest reviews.

It was simply unbearable being in here last night with the lefty hater jerk-off going on.

Here's an honest review.

That many people on a stage is a bad idea and doesn't benefit any of them. It was a couple hours of diarrhea of the mouth and we didn't really learn anything new. The "lefty hater jerk-off" was justified based on what was being presented over the airwaves. Can't #### on two pieces of bread and call it anything but a #### sandwich.

Fair enough. Since I wasn't watching I just assumed it was the usual "hate anything right of center" crowd taking potshots.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

So, has this thread come back to normalcy talking about the GOP and the debate? Unfortunately I was unable to see the debate last night and was looking for good, honest reviews.

It was simply unbearable being in here last night with the lefty hater jerk-off going on.

You are such a turd.

 

[MaxThreshold]

So, has this thread come back to normalcy talking about the GOP and the debate? Unfortunately I was unable to see the debate last night and was looking for good, honest reviews.

It was simply unbearable being in here last night with the lefty hater jerk-off going on.

You are such a turd.

You're going to start this again? C'mon, man. Don't hijack this thread like you did the last one.

Let's hear an honest review.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

So, has this thread come back to normalcy talking about the GOP and the debate? Unfortunately I was unable to see the debate last night and was looking for good, honest reviews.

It was simply unbearable being in here last night with the lefty hater jerk-off going on.

You are such a turd.

You're going to start this again? C'mon, man. Don't hijack this thread like you did the last one.

When you go to Applebees, do they give you 15% off for being 80 and a humorless ####, or just for being 80?

 

[Mr. Pickles]

I just keep coming back to Rubio as my guy here and probably the only person I'd vote for over Hillary.

I know he's not high up in the power rankings and I just don't get why. Is he the most centrist of the base or at least the most reasonable?

He always seems to have clear, concise and well thought out actual answers to the questions asked. He doesn't look like a doofus like most of the others and just has a more "Presidential" vibe to me. He comes off as extremely smart and well spoken.

Am I way off here? Is the base right now just too far to the right to even see what I see with Rubio?

Someone talk me out of him...please (I don't really know if I'm right leaning or left leaning - I switch back and forth depending on the issue - so just looking for someone of like mind to talk me out of Rubio here or tell me why he's and I are both crazy.

He seems good at one thing: memorizing medium length passages and delivering them with minimal flubs. I've never heard him just speak off the cuff. Everything is canned. Cruz is the same way. They're like those dolls where you pull the string and they say one of 8 things.

This is dead on.

Although you're forgetting the desperate pacing and uncomfortable urgency. It's like he's talking about a litter of puppies dying in a burning building. Chill the #### out.

 

[Todd Andrews]

So, has this thread come back to normalcy talking about the GOP and the debate? Unfortunately I was unable to see the debate last night and was looking for good, honest reviews.

It was simply unbearable being in here last night with the lefty hater jerk-off going on.

You are such a turd.

You're going to start this again? C'mon, man. Don't hijack this thread like you did the last one.

Let's hear an honest review.

Well, you did just come into the thread, say you didnt watch the debates and then insult everyone who was commenting on them.

Which was a pretty terdy thing to do.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

This thread was terrific last night and the opinions of the debate results were pretty spot on. Compare them to what the pundits thought, there was a lot right said in this thread last night and a lot of humor. Not sure who of the people in here were traditional dems or GOP but we all got along and it was fun.

Then you have your Max's, who rarely offer anything but bitter

Glad you weren't here to ruin it for everybody.

 

[Eephus]

So, has this thread come back to normalcy talking about the GOP and the debate? Unfortunately I was unable to see the debate last night and was looking for good, honest reviews.

It was simply unbearable being in here last night with the lefty hater jerk-off going on.

You are such a turd.

You're going to start this again? C'mon, man. Don't hijack this thread like you did the last one.

When you go to Applebees, do they give you 15% off for being 80 and a humorless ####, or just for being 80?

Tell me more. Is this a thing?

 

[Rohn Jambo]

I just keep coming back to Rubio as my guy here and probably the only person I'd vote for over Hillary.

I know he's not high up in the power rankings and I just don't get why. Is he the most centrist of the base or at least the most reasonable?

He always seems to have clear, concise and well thought out actual answers to the questions asked. He doesn't look like a doofus like most of the others and just has a more "Presidential" vibe to me. He comes off as extremely smart and well spoken.

Am I way off here? Is the base right now just too far to the right to even see what I see with Rubio?

Someone talk me out of him...please (I don't really know if I'm right leaning or left leaning - I switch back and forth depending on the issue - so just looking for someone of like mind to talk me out of Rubio here or tell me why he's and I are both crazy.

He seems good at one thing: memorizing medium length passages and delivering them with minimal flubs. I've never heard him just speak off the cuff. Everything is canned. Cruz is the same way. They're like those dolls where you pull the string and they say one of 8 things.

This is dead on. Although you're forgetting the desperate pacing and uncomfortable urgency. It's like he's talking about a litter of puppies dying in a burning building. Chill the #### out.

I thinks he is a little dim.

 

[Sand]

I'd want to know more about his specific policies, howerver.

Bush has put out very specific policy papers on taxation and immigration. Have you read those? What other ones would impact your decision?

 

[Sand]

Chris Christie: Seemed uncharacteristically canned and rehearsed. The over the top looking into the camera stuff didn't play with me. Or did the cut everyone off from talking about their resume AFTER he spent four questions detailing his including as a Prosecutor. Who thought up that kind of attack? Fire that guy.

My personal rankings:

1) Rubio

2) Fiorina

3) Kasich

4) Walker

5) Bush

6) Christie

7) Paul

8) Trump

9) Graham

10) Huckabee

11) Cruz

12) Jindal

13) Pataki

14) Stantorum

15) Gilmore

I agree with most of what you talk about here, but Christie didn't seem rehearsed to me. He is a pretty darn good spontaneous speaker. If anything it was glaringly obvious that Rubio and Walker memorized the crap out of a lot of what they said. Bush, too. Big contrast to the guys that just know their stuff - Cruz, Fiorina, Paul, etc.

I still like Rubio a lot, but damn he has to get that damn mental tape recorder out of his head and just talk about stuff that matters. Until he does that I don't think he catches on.

This middle east Muslim thing is a problem. Duh. We need oil, they need the money from oil.

As an addendum here the US is just about self sufficient. With Canada we are. We technically don't need arab oil anymore. Big reason for the price war going on right now.

 

[Zegras11]

To people defending Jeb: If 9/11 happened on Obama's watch, would you say Obama kept America safe?

My guess is that if you were to take a poll of republican voters, at least 10% would say 9/11 was on either Clinton's or Obama's watch.

let's look at Clinton's watch

WTC bombed in 1993

Khobar Towers bombed

embassies bombed

Bin Laden offered up for extradition, but Clinton refused

90% of planning for 9/11 occurred

Legal wall put up to prevent sharing of intelligence between agencies

yeah, nice job....

And USS Cole attack. Al-Qaeda claimed responsibility and Clinton did nothing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Cole_bombing

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Look, I'd probably prefer for Jeb to win the GOP nomination and I actually thought his comment about W keeping people safe during the debate was fine in the context that it was brought up (in a heated, emotional debate about a specific point).

That said, anyone arguing that the tweet saying W kept the country safe with a picture of him standing on the rubble of the worst terrorist attack in US history that happened during his presidency is nuts. It was a ridiculously bad tweet to bring up as a general, calm point, made triply bad by the picture that was attached to it. Just insanely stupid.

 

[bigbottom]

Look, I'd probably prefer for Jeb to win the GOP nomination and I actually thought his comment about W keeping people safe during the debate was fine in the context that it was brought up (in a heated, emotional debate about a specific point).

That said, anyone arguing that the tweet saying W kept the country safe with a picture of him standing on the rubble of the worst terrorist attack in US history that happened during his presidency is nuts. It was a ridiculously bad tweet to bring up as a general, calm point, made triply bad by the picture that was attached to it. Just insanely stupid.

Pretty much.

 

[Dickies]

So, has this thread come back to normalcy talking about the GOP and the debate? Unfortunately I was unable to see the debate last night and was looking for good, honest reviews.

It was simply unbearable being in here last night with the lefty hater jerk-off going on.

Here's an honest review.

That many people on a stage is a bad idea and doesn't benefit any of them. It was a couple hours of diarrhea of the mouth and we didn't really learn anything new. The "lefty hater jerk-off" was justified based on what was being presented over the airwaves. Can't #### on two pieces of bread and call it anything but a #### sandwich.

Fair enough. Since I wasn't watching I just assumed it was the usual "hate anything right of center" crowd taking potshots.

Fiorina made the most gains. She was sharp and composed, even though I disagree with just about everything about her

Trump was his usual Trump-self, and I thought he was successful

Carson put everyone to sleep. Surprised Trump didn't bash him for being low energy, instead gave him an awkward ###-pat

Cruz was creepy as a mother ####er

Rubio was one of the more reasonable voices, but was having trouble formulating his speech. Came off as just giving canned responses.

Christie was his usual self. Did nothing to stand out, but I thought he was okay

Huckabee had about 2 minutes of time to speak and packed about 5 minutes of douchebaggery into it.

Paul came across as a reasonable candidate to me, but didn't get much speaking time and I don't know how conservatives would be on board with his narrative

Kasich came across as far too normal amid the circus. If I could get on board with anyone in this group it's him.

Walker was overly generic and got crushed

Bush seemed totally lost and out of his element. Sweat was pouring down his face like Ewing at the free throw line.

If I am forgetting any candidate, forgive me as there were waaaay too many. My favorite moment was Trump telling Paul in the first 5 minutes that he is 1% in the polls and just needs to GTFO

 

[krista4]

So, has this thread come back to normalcy talking about the GOP and the debate? Unfortunately I was unable to see the debate last night and was looking for good, honest reviews.

It was simply unbearable being in here last night with the lefty hater jerk-off going on.

Here's an honest review.

That many people on a stage is a bad idea and doesn't benefit any of them. It was a couple hours of diarrhea of the mouth and we didn't really learn anything new. The "lefty hater jerk-off" was justified based on what was being presented over the airwaves. Can't #### on two pieces of bread and call it anything but a #### sandwich.

Fair enough. Since I wasn't watching I just assumed it was the usual "hate anything right of center" crowd taking potshots.

Fiorina made the most gains. She was sharp and composed, even though I disagree with just about everything about her

Trump was his usual Trump-self, and I thought he was successful

Carson put everyone to sleep. Surprised Trump didn't bash him for being low energy, instead gave him an awkward ###-pat

Cruz was creepy as a mother ####er

Rubio was one of the more reasonable voices, but was having trouble formulating his speech. Came off as just giving canned responses.

Christie was his usual self. Did nothing to stand out, but I thought he was okay

Huckabee had about 2 minutes of time to speak and packed about 5 minutes of douchebaggery into it.

Paul came across as a reasonable candidate to me, but didn't get much speaking time and I don't know how conservatives would be on board with his narrative

Kasich came across as far too normal amid the circus. If I could get on board with anyone in this group it's him.

Walker was overly generic and got crushed

Bush seemed totally lost and out of his element. Sweat was pouring down his face like Ewing at the free throw line.

If I am forgetting any candidate, forgive me as there were waaaay too many. My favorite moment was Trump telling Paul in the first 5 minutes that he is 1% in the polls and just needs to GTFO

Vehemently disagree with this analysis. Walker was by far the sweatiest candidate.

OK, other than that, I guess I don't disagree.

 

[bakes]

So, has this thread come back to normalcy talking about the GOP and the debate? Unfortunately I was unable to see the debate last night and was looking for good, honest reviews.

It was simply unbearable being in here last night with the lefty hater jerk-off going on.

Here's an honest review.That many people on a stage is a bad idea and doesn't benefit any of them. It was a couple hours of diarrhea of the mouth and we didn't really learn anything new. The "lefty hater jerk-off" was justified based on what was being presented over the airwaves. Can't #### on two pieces of bread and call it anything but a #### sandwich.

Fair enough. Since I wasn't watching I just assumed it was the usual "hate anything right of center" crowd taking potshots.

Fiorina made the most gains. She was sharp and composed, even though I disagree with just about everything about herTrump was his usual Trump-self, and I thought he was successful

Carson put everyone to sleep. Surprised Trump didn't bash him for being low energy, instead gave him an awkward ###-pat

Cruz was creepy as a mother ####er

Rubio was one of the more reasonable voices, but was having trouble formulating his speech. Came off as just giving canned responses.

Christie was his usual self. Did nothing to stand out, but I thought he was okay

Huckabee had about 2 minutes of time to speak and packed about 5 minutes of douchebaggery into it.

Paul came across as a reasonable candidate to me, but didn't get much speaking time and I don't know how conservatives would be on board with his narrative

Kasich came across as far too normal amid the circus. If I could get on board with anyone in this group it's him.

Walker was overly generic and got crushed

Bush seemed totally lost and out of his element. Sweat was pouring down his face like Ewing at the free throw line.

If I am forgetting any candidate, forgive me as there were waaaay too many. My favorite moment was Trump telling Paul in the first 5 minutes that he is 1% in the polls and just needs to GTFO

Vehemently disagree with this analysis. Walker was by far the sweatiest candidate.

OK, other than that, I guess I don't disagree.

It's the fine Wisconsin cheddar that he is made of. Ever leave cheese out for a few hours in the heat and see what happens? Sweats like that.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

So, has this thread come back to normalcy talking about the GOP and the debate? Unfortunately I was unable to see the debate last night and was looking for good, honest reviews.

It was simply unbearable being in here last night with the lefty hater jerk-off going on.

Here's an honest review.

That many people on a stage is a bad idea and doesn't benefit any of them. It was a couple hours of diarrhea of the mouth and we didn't really learn anything new. The "lefty hater jerk-off" was justified based on what was being presented over the airwaves. Can't #### on two pieces of bread and call it anything but a #### sandwich.

Fair enough. Since I wasn't watching I just assumed it was the usual "hate anything right of center" crowd taking potshots.

Fiorina made the most gains. She was sharp and composed, even though I disagree with just about everything about her

Trump was his usual Trump-self, and I thought he was successful

Carson put everyone to sleep. Surprised Trump didn't bash him for being low energy, instead gave him an awkward ###-pat

Cruz was creepy as a mother ####er

Rubio was one of the more reasonable voices, but was having trouble formulating his speech. Came off as just giving canned responses.

Christie was his usual self. Did nothing to stand out, but I thought he was okay

Huckabee had about 2 minutes of time to speak and packed about 5 minutes of douchebaggery into it.

Paul came across as a reasonable candidate to me, but didn't get much speaking time and I don't know how conservatives would be on board with his narrative

Kasich came across as far too normal amid the circus. If I could get on board with anyone in this group it's him.

Walker was overly generic and got crushed

Bush seemed totally lost and out of his element. Sweat was pouring down his face like Ewing at the free throw line.

If I am forgetting any candidate, forgive me as there were waaaay too many. My favorite moment was Trump telling Paul in the first 5 minutes that he is 1% in the polls and just needs to GTFO

Vehemently disagree with this analysis. Walker was by far the sweatiest candidate.

OK, other than that, I guess I don't disagree.

Rubio literally wiped the sweat off his face with a handkerchief several times on camera. There's no debate about sweatiness.

 

[Dickies]

So, has this thread come back to normalcy talking about the GOP and the debate? Unfortunately I was unable to see the debate last night and was looking for good, honest reviews.

It was simply unbearable being in here last night with the lefty hater jerk-off going on.

Here's an honest review.

That many people on a stage is a bad idea and doesn't benefit any of them. It was a couple hours of diarrhea of the mouth and we didn't really learn anything new. The "lefty hater jerk-off" was justified based on what was being presented over the airwaves. Can't #### on two pieces of bread and call it anything but a #### sandwich.

Fair enough. Since I wasn't watching I just assumed it was the usual "hate anything right of center" crowd taking potshots.

Fiorina made the most gains. She was sharp and composed, even though I disagree with just about everything about her

Trump was his usual Trump-self, and I thought he was successful

Carson put everyone to sleep. Surprised Trump didn't bash him for being low energy, instead gave him an awkward ###-pat

Cruz was creepy as a mother ####er

Rubio was one of the more reasonable voices, but was having trouble formulating his speech. Came off as just giving canned responses.

Christie was his usual self. Did nothing to stand out, but I thought he was okay

Huckabee had about 2 minutes of time to speak and packed about 5 minutes of douchebaggery into it.

Paul came across as a reasonable candidate to me, but didn't get much speaking time and I don't know how conservatives would be on board with his narrative

Kasich came across as far too normal amid the circus. If I could get on board with anyone in this group it's him.

Walker was overly generic and got crushed

Bush seemed totally lost and out of his element. Sweat was pouring down his face like Ewing at the free throw line.

If I am forgetting any candidate, forgive me as there were waaaay too many. My favorite moment was Trump telling Paul in the first 5 minutes that he is 1% in the polls and just needs to GTFO

Vehemently disagree with this analysis. Walker was by far the sweatiest candidate.

OK, other than that, I guess I don't disagree.

Rubio literally wiped the sweat off his face with a handkerchief several times on camera. There's no debate about sweatiness.

Yea, as soon as he ran out of script the sweat started pouring.

 

[krista4]

So, has this thread come back to normalcy talking about the GOP and the debate? Unfortunately I was unable to see the debate last night and was looking for good, honest reviews.

It was simply unbearable being in here last night with the lefty hater jerk-off going on.

Here's an honest review.That many people on a stage is a bad idea and doesn't benefit any of them. It was a couple hours of diarrhea of the mouth and we didn't really learn anything new. The "lefty hater jerk-off" was justified based on what was being presented over the airwaves. Can't #### on two pieces of bread and call it anything but a #### sandwich.

Fair enough. Since I wasn't watching I just assumed it was the usual "hate anything right of center" crowd taking potshots.

Fiorina made the most gains. She was sharp and composed, even though I disagree with just about everything about herTrump was his usual Trump-self, and I thought he was successful

Carson put everyone to sleep. Surprised Trump didn't bash him for being low energy, instead gave him an awkward ###-pat

Cruz was creepy as a mother ####er

Rubio was one of the more reasonable voices, but was having trouble formulating his speech. Came off as just giving canned responses.

Christie was his usual self. Did nothing to stand out, but I thought he was okay

Huckabee had about 2 minutes of time to speak and packed about 5 minutes of douchebaggery into it.

Paul came across as a reasonable candidate to me, but didn't get much speaking time and I don't know how conservatives would be on board with his narrative

Kasich came across as far too normal amid the circus. If I could get on board with anyone in this group it's him.

Walker was overly generic and got crushed

Bush seemed totally lost and out of his element. Sweat was pouring down his face like Ewing at the free throw line.

If I am forgetting any candidate, forgive me as there were waaaay too many. My favorite moment was Trump telling Paul in the first 5 minutes that he is 1% in the polls and just needs to GTFO

Vehemently disagree with this analysis. Walker was by far the sweatiest candidate.

OK, other than that, I guess I don't disagree.

It's the fine Wisconsin cheddar that he is made of. Ever leave cheese out for a few hours in the heat and see what happens? Sweats like that.

Oh, so gross!

Spot-on analysis, though. The only quibble I'd have is regarding Bush. Like Sweet J, I find myself more and more attracted to him as a candidate. I guess what people see as "boring" I am seeing as "adult," compared to the others. I'm almost seeing him as cerebral in comparison.

WARNING: DIE-HARD, FAR-LEFT LIBERAL OPINION BELOW

Despite my being generally left of possibly anyone on this board, I'm open to someone in this R group based in my extreme distaste for the likely D nominee. I've actually voted for an R presidential candidate before. My interest lies primarily in Kasich or Bush at this point. I'd like Rubio were it not for his wacky abortion stance and his hawkish foreign policy; I also don't agree with his Cuba stance but that's a more minor issue. Christie was better than I expected last night, but I know too many people in NJ who despise him based on more info than I have about him.

I find myself agreeing with Paul to an alarming extent--particularly on drug policy and foreign policy, and I took a great amount of glee in his standing up to McConnell a few months ago on the Patriot Act extension--but damn those views could use a better spokesperson who isn't so smarmy and self-absorbed. On an unimportant note, that boy needs a Keratin treatment.

The rest are just non-starters.

 

[Good Posting Judge]

Ted Cruz looks like a dude who has a ton of skeletons in his closet. For example, having a ton of skeletons in his closet.

 

[Good Posting Judge]

I'm guessing Trump has the most horrific #### swept under his rug. Clinton's probably way up there, too.

 

[jon_mx]

To people defending Jeb: If 9/11 happened on Obama's watch, would you say Obama kept America safe?

My guess is that if you were to take a poll of republican voters, at least 10% would say 9/11 was on either Clinton's or Obama's watch.

let's look at Clinton's watch

WTC bombed in 1993

Khobar Towers bombed

embassies bombed

Bin Laden offered up for extradition, but Clinton refused

90% of planning for 9/11 occurred

Legal wall put up to prevent sharing of intelligence between agencies

yeah, nice job....

And USS Cole attack. Al-Qaeda claimed responsibility and Clinton did nothing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Cole_bombing

The non response to the Cole directly lead to 9-11. Terrorists crave attention and when they don't get it, they an something bigger, which they did.

 

[jamny]

Carson must never sweat. I guess that's good if you're a brain surgeon.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

So it seems that everybody in here save for a few of the trump people have Kasich as the top guy (or in the top 3). So why is he polling so poorly?

 

[jamny]

So it seems that everybody in here save for a few of the trump people have Kasich as the top guy (or in the top 3). So why is he polling so poorly?

He's still relatively unknown to the general public. The more mainstream media coverage he gets, the more his numbers will rise.

He's even better in interviews than in the debates.

 

[Johnnymac]

To people defending Jeb: If 9/11 happened on Obama's watch, would you say Obama kept America safe?

My guess is that if you were to take a poll of republican voters, at least 10% would say 9/11 was on either Clinton's or Obama's watch.

let's look at Clinton's watch

WTC bombed in 1993

Khobar Towers bombed

embassies bombed

Bin Laden offered up for extradition, but Clinton refused

90% of planning for 9/11 occurred

Legal wall put up to prevent sharing of intelligence between agencies

yeah, nice job....

And USS Cole attack. Al-Qaeda claimed responsibility and Clinton did nothing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Cole_bombing

The non response to the Cole directly lead to 9-11. Terrorists crave attention and when they don't get it, they an something bigger, which they did.