Official 2016 GOP thread: Is it really going to be Donald Trump?? (2 Viewers)

[timschochet]

It seems to me SIDA that in many ways Porter Ranch represents the opposite of Flint: immediate response and action by the government, no cover up or inaction. Could the fact that it's a wealthy white community vs a poor black one have anything to do with that?

Highly doubtful. Much more likely it was simply complete incompetence by the authorities and the EPA in Flint.

The authorities in Flint are going to get their butts handed to them, as they should. And as you'd expect the malfeasance by the EPA will go unpunished (like the mine effluent case not too long ago). The EPA is untouchable.

How is the EPA responsible for Flint?

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Hey Righetti great stuff, A+, but no way do I buy Trump as Han Solo. I don't think we have a Han and that's one of our problems.

However I'd love to see a Game of Thrones character comparison but include Dems & GOP. Would love to see where that goes.

 

[timschochet]

So is it too late for a decent GOP candidate to swoop in take the nomination?

I just cannot believe they can't find better candidates. What a pile of rubbish

Pretty disappointing Rubio isn't getting more support.

Id be slightly ok with him...just more and more the thought that he is nothing but a puppet keeps showing through.

I don't know what he really believes in sometimes. Id prefer that to Hillary...but if nothing but a puppet for the right, with the right controlling congress is not the best way to govern (IMO).

With times the way they are internationally, and economically...it is disappointing to me that the candidate that likely has the best thoughts with those two major issues is an afterthought to so many (Paul).

IMO, those 2 issues are far more important than immigration.

Every time I listen to him I get that "say whatever's necessary to get to the next level" vibe. If he's paying the slightest bit of attention to the path Hillary's on he should know it won't end well.

The path Hillary's on? lol. She's still more likely than anyone else to be our next President.

 

[NorvilleBarnes]

Lindsey. Nien Nunb. Total twins

I didn't know that character was named Nien Nunb but without even looking I knew exactly who you talking about.

 

[sho nuff]

So is it too late for a decent GOP candidate to swoop in take the nomination?

I just cannot believe they can't find better candidates. What a pile of rubbish

Pretty disappointing Rubio isn't getting more support.

Id be slightly ok with him...just more and more the thought that he is nothing but a puppet keeps showing through.

I don't know what he really believes in sometimes. Id prefer that to Hillary...but if nothing but a puppet for the right, with the right controlling congress is not the best way to govern (IMO).

With times the way they are internationally, and economically...it is disappointing to me that the candidate that likely has the best thoughts with those two major issues is an afterthought to so many (Paul).

IMO, those 2 issues are far more important than immigration.

Every time I listen to him I get that "say whatever's necessary to get to the next level" vibe. If he's paying the slightest bit of attention to the path Hillary's on he should know it won't end well.

The path Hillary's on? lol. She's still more likely than anyone else to be our next President.

More due to what the GOP is pushing out there than her being a great candidate. But Obama as green as he was went through her.

She is dirty as hell...but teflon to this point.

 

[NorvilleBarnes]

So is it too late for a decent GOP candidate to swoop in take the nomination?

I just cannot believe they can't find better candidates. What a pile of rubbish

Pretty disappointing Rubio isn't getting more support.

Id be slightly ok with him...just more and more the thought that he is nothing but a puppet keeps showing through.

I don't know what he really believes in sometimes. Id prefer that to Hillary...but if nothing but a puppet for the right, with the right controlling congress is not the best way to govern (IMO).

With times the way they are internationally, and economically...it is disappointing to me that the candidate that likely has the best thoughts with those two major issues is an afterthought to so many (Paul).

IMO, those 2 issues are far more important than immigration.

Every time I listen to him I get that "say whatever's necessary to get to the next level" vibe. If he's paying the slightest bit of attention to the path Hillary's on he should know it won't end well.

But that's all he's got.

 

[Righetti]

Hey Righetti great stuff, A+, but no way do I buy Trump as Han Solo. I don't think we have a Han and that's one of our problems.

However I'd love to see a Game of Thrones character comparison but include Dems & GOP. Would love to see where that goes.

yeah, I kind of struggled with that because we all love Han Solo...but take the personal attachment to Solo out of it and you kind of see where I'm coming from...

 

[NorvilleBarnes]

Hey Righetti great stuff, A+, but no way do I buy Trump as Han Solo. I don't think we have a Han and that's one of our problems.

However I'd love to see a Game of Thrones character comparison but include Dems & GOP. Would love to see where that goes.

yeah, I kind of struggled with that because we all love Han Solo...but take the personal attachment to Solo out of it and you kind of see where I'm coming from...

On the Dem side wouldn't O'Malley, Webb, and Chaffee just be a string of choked generals?

 

[The Commish]

So is it too late for a decent GOP candidate to swoop in take the nomination?

I just cannot believe they can't find better candidates. What a pile of rubbish

Pretty disappointing Rubio isn't getting more support.

Id be slightly ok with him...just more and more the thought that he is nothing but a puppet keeps showing through.

I don't know what he really believes in sometimes. Id prefer that to Hillary...but if nothing but a puppet for the right, with the right controlling congress is not the best way to govern (IMO).

With times the way they are internationally, and economically...it is disappointing to me that the candidate that likely has the best thoughts with those two major issues is an afterthought to so many (Paul).

IMO, those 2 issues are far more important than immigration.

Every time I listen to him I get that "say whatever's necessary to get to the next level" vibe. If he's paying the slightest bit of attention to the path Hillary's on he should know it won't end well.

The path Hillary's on? lol. She's still more likely than anyone else to be our next President.

Well, I guess it makes all they lying, corruption, deceit, degradation of character and ethics all worth it now doesn't it? The end doesn't justify the means in this case. There's much more going on here than politics Tim.

 

[CBusAlex]

However I'd love to see a Game of Thrones character comparison but include Dems & GOP. Would love to see where that goes.

Trump - Joffrey Baratheon. Does what he wants, when he wants, and buddy if you don't like it, you'll find your head on a spike.

Bush - Stannis Baratheon. By rights, he ought to inherit the throne. His only problem is that no one seems to want him on it.

Cruz - Littlefinger. Would see this country burn if he could be king of the ashes.

Carson - Hodor. Hodor hodor hodor. Hodor.

Santorum - Brienne of Tarth. The last soldier for a long-dead cause, trudging along pointlessly but convinced of the nobility of his purpose.

Clinton - Tywin Lannister. "Our legacy will be determined in the coming months. You know what 'legacy' means?

It's what you pass down to your children, and your children's children. It's what remains of you when you're gone. We could establish a dynasty that would last a thousand years... or we could collapse into nothing."

Sanders - Ned Stark. Just does what he believes is right. Lack of interest or ability to play the political game will be his downfall.

O'Malley - Rickon Stark. Just, like, why are you even here, dude?

 

[TobiasFunke]

So is it too late for a decent GOP candidate to swoop in take the nomination?

I just cannot believe they can't find better candidates. What a pile of rubbish

Pretty disappointing Rubio isn't getting more support.

Id be slightly ok with him...just more and more the thought that he is nothing but a puppet keeps showing through.

I don't know what he really believes in sometimes. Id prefer that to Hillary...but if nothing but a puppet for the right, with the right controlling congress is not the best way to govern (IMO).

With times the way they are internationally, and economically...it is disappointing to me that the candidate that likely has the best thoughts with those two major issues is an afterthought to so many (Paul).

IMO, those 2 issues are far more important than immigration.

Every time I listen to him I get that "say whatever's necessary to get to the next level" vibe. If he's paying the slightest bit of attention to the path Hillary's on he should know it won't end well.

The path Hillary's on? lol. She's still more likely than anyone else to be our next President.

Well, I guess it makes all they lying, corruption, deceit, degradation of character and ethics all worth it now doesn't it? The end doesn't justify the means in this case. There's much more going on here than politics Tim.

You can't even call this moving the goalposts. It's like the kicker was lining up and you suddenly decided we're playing Hungry Hungry Hippos instead.

 

[Steve Tasker]

More due to what the GOP is pushing out there than her being a great candidate. But Obama as green as he was went through her.

She is dirty as hell...but teflon to this point.

I mean, she's teflon because outside of Sanders, the Ds won't put up a legit candidate against her, and Sanders has the socialist stigma and looks like your crazy uncle. Who's gonna take her down on the D side? Obama came in fresh, young, energetic, personable, and connected with young voters. None of the D contenders have that same air about them. Bernie seems to connect the best with the millennial voter demo....he did a series of interviews with Killer Mike, after all...but outside of that, it just looks like a rehash of the same tired politicians. I think part of the teflon is that a lot of people realize she's probably the safest candidate and they're absolutely terrified of the GOP.

I really think that if the GOP could drift more to the center and could put up a candidate who didn't suck, they'd have a good chance at this election. At this point, I'm still just having trouble seeing it. I could be wrong....Trump is still around, who the hell knows.

 

[sho nuff]

More due to what the GOP is pushing out there than her being a great candidate. But Obama as green as he was went through her.

She is dirty as hell...but teflon to this point.

I mean, she's teflon because outside of Sanders, the Ds won't put up a legit candidate against her, and Sanders has the socialist stigma and looks like your crazy uncle. Who's gonna take her down on the D side? Obama came in fresh, young, energetic, personable, and connected with young voters. None of the D contenders have that same air about them. Bernie seems to connect the best with the millennial voter demo....he did a series of interviews with Killer Mike, after all...but outside of that, it just looks like a rehash of the same tired politicians. I think part of the teflon is that a lot of people realize she's probably the safest candidate and they're absolutely terrified of the GOP.

I really think that if the GOP could drift more to the center and could put up a candidate who didn't suck, they'd have a good chance at this election. At this point, I'm still just having trouble seeing it. I could be wrong....Trump is still around, who the hell knows.

Problem is...those who control things with the GOP refuse to go towards the center. They want someone to go further right (and think Cruz will) but are apparently willing to deal with crazy Trump instead.

Would they be better of with Kasich? Paul? People who can still be fiscally to the right but drift middle socially? My guess is yes. But seems they don't want that. They want to stay far right on those other issues (while claiming to go right fiscally even though they will spend as much as the Dems and add to the hole we are in $$$)

 

[3C's]

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[the moops]

Felito?

At the same time, he changed his nickname from "Felito" to "Ted" after being teased about it by his peers

 

[SIDA!]

More due to what the GOP is pushing out there than her being a great candidate. But Obama as green as he was went through her.

She is dirty as hell...but teflon to this point.

I mean, she's teflon because outside of Sanders, the Ds won't put up a legit candidate against her, and Sanders has the socialist stigma and looks like your crazy uncle. Who's gonna take her down on the D side? Obama came in fresh, young, energetic, personable, and connected with young voters. None of the D contenders have that same air about them. Bernie seems to connect the best with the millennial voter demo....he did a series of interviews with Killer Mike, after all...but outside of that, it just looks like a rehash of the same tired politicians. I think part of the teflon is that a lot of people realize she's probably the safest candidate and they're absolutely terrified of the GOP.

I really think that if the GOP could drift more to the center and could put up a candidate who didn't suck, they'd have a good chance at this election. At this point, I'm still just having trouble seeing it. I could be wrong....Trump is still around, who the hell knows.

Problem is...those who control things with the GOP refuse to go towards the center.

You don't know what the hell you are talking about. Please stop.

 

[sho nuff]

More due to what the GOP is pushing out there than her being a great candidate. But Obama as green as he was went through her.

She is dirty as hell...but teflon to this point.

I mean, she's teflon because outside of Sanders, the Ds won't put up a legit candidate against her, and Sanders has the socialist stigma and looks like your crazy uncle. Who's gonna take her down on the D side? Obama came in fresh, young, energetic, personable, and connected with young voters. None of the D contenders have that same air about them. Bernie seems to connect the best with the millennial voter demo....he did a series of interviews with Killer Mike, after all...but outside of that, it just looks like a rehash of the same tired politicians. I think part of the teflon is that a lot of people realize she's probably the safest candidate and they're absolutely terrified of the GOP.

I really think that if the GOP could drift more to the center and could put up a candidate who didn't suck, they'd have a good chance at this election. At this point, I'm still just having trouble seeing it. I could be wrong....Trump is still around, who the hell knows.

Problem is...those who control things with the GOP refuse to go towards the center.

You don't know what the hell you are talking about. Please stop.

Yeah...its not as if they keep digging their heels in on social issues and pandering to the religious right or anything.



sorry you can't see whats going on with the party that you continue to support and that many of us used to.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

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Ha, it really is crazy.

 

[SIDA!]

More due to what the GOP is pushing out there than her being a great candidate. But Obama as green as he was went through her.

She is dirty as hell...but teflon to this point.

I mean, she's teflon because outside of Sanders, the Ds won't put up a legit candidate against her, and Sanders has the socialist stigma and looks like your crazy uncle. Who's gonna take her down on the D side? Obama came in fresh, young, energetic, personable, and connected with young voters. None of the D contenders have that same air about them. Bernie seems to connect the best with the millennial voter demo....he did a series of interviews with Killer Mike, after all...but outside of that, it just looks like a rehash of the same tired politicians. I think part of the teflon is that a lot of people realize she's probably the safest candidate and they're absolutely terrified of the GOP.

I really think that if the GOP could drift more to the center and could put up a candidate who didn't suck, they'd have a good chance at this election. At this point, I'm still just having trouble seeing it. I could be wrong....Trump is still around, who the hell knows.

Problem is...those who control things with the GOP refuse to go towards the center.

You don't know what the hell you are talking about. Please stop.

Yeah...its not as if they keep digging their heels in on social issues and pandering to the religious right or anything.



sorry you can't see whats going on with the party that you continue to support and that many of us used to.

If the people you say were in control of the party...Trump would never had an opening to even challenge for the nomination.

I am keenly aware of what is going on with the party and who is in control of the party. You are not, clearly.

 

[-fish-]

Now this is just weird:

Audit the Ted.

 

[timschochet]

So is it too late for a decent GOP candidate to swoop in take the nomination?

I just cannot believe they can't find better candidates. What a pile of rubbish

Pretty disappointing Rubio isn't getting more support.

Id be slightly ok with him...just more and more the thought that he is nothing but a puppet keeps showing through.

I don't know what he really believes in sometimes. Id prefer that to Hillary...but if nothing but a puppet for the right, with the right controlling congress is not the best way to govern (IMO).

With times the way they are internationally, and economically...it is disappointing to me that the candidate that likely has the best thoughts with those two major issues is an afterthought to so many (Paul).

IMO, those 2 issues are far more important than immigration.

Every time I listen to him I get that "say whatever's necessary to get to the next level" vibe. If he's paying the slightest bit of attention to the path Hillary's on he should know it won't end well.

The path Hillary's on? lol. She's still more likely than anyone else to be our next President.

Well, I guess it makes all they lying, corruption, deceit, degradation of character and ethics all worth it now doesn't it? The end doesn't justify the means in this case. There's much more going on here than politics Tim.

You can't even call this moving the goalposts. It's like the kicker was lining up and you suddenly decided we're playing Hungry Hungry Hippos instead.

Imglad somebody else called him out on this. He does this all the time.

 

[The Commish]

So is it too late for a decent GOP candidate to swoop in take the nomination?

I just cannot believe they can't find better candidates. What a pile of rubbish

Pretty disappointing Rubio isn't getting more support.

Id be slightly ok with him...just more and more the thought that he is nothing but a puppet keeps showing through.

I don't know what he really believes in sometimes. Id prefer that to Hillary...but if nothing but a puppet for the right, with the right controlling congress is not the best way to govern (IMO).

With times the way they are internationally, and economically...it is disappointing to me that the candidate that likely has the best thoughts with those two major issues is an afterthought to so many (Paul).

IMO, those 2 issues are far more important than immigration.

Every time I listen to him I get that "say whatever's necessary to get to the next level" vibe. If he's paying the slightest bit of attention to the path Hillary's on he should know it won't end well.

The path Hillary's on? lol. She's still more likely than anyone else to be our next President.

Well, I guess it makes all they lying, corruption, deceit, degradation of character and ethics all worth it now doesn't it? The end doesn't justify the means in this case. There's much more going on here than politics Tim.

You can't even call this moving the goalposts. It's like the kicker was lining up and you suddenly decided we're playing Hungry Hungry Hippos instead.

Imglad somebody else called him out on this. He does this all the time.

I don't know what either of you are saying. You both seem to be taking issue with the flip flopping comparison between Rubio and Clinton? Or do you take issue with Tim's retort to that comparison where I don't believe the ends justify the means? I saw TF's post prior to this, but had no idea what he was trying to say or if he was even talking to me, so I'd like clarification. I made two comments independent of one another on two different comments and I don't know which you're taking issue with

 

[TobiasFunke]

You can't even call this moving the goalposts. It's like the kicker was lining up and you suddenly decided we're playing Hungry Hungry Hippos instead.

Imglad somebody else called him out on this. He does this all the time.

I don't know what either of you are saying. You both seem to be taking issue with the flip flopping comparison between Rubio and Clinton? Or do you take issue with Tim's retort to that comparison where I don't believe the ends justify the means? I saw TF's post prior to this, but had no idea what he was trying to say or if he was even talking to me, so I'd like clarification. I made two comments independent of one another on two different comments and I don't know which you're taking issue with

The conversation was about the presidential election and who is and is not gaining traction, specifically why Rubio isn't getting more support. You compared him to Clinton, noting that "if he's paying the slightest bit of attention to the path Hillary's on he should know it won't end well." That doesn't make any sense in this context

If you meant instead to say that she's on a path to ruin because she's a stupid moron with an ugly face and a big butt and her butt smells and she likes to kiss her own butt (paraphrasing here), then you probably should have been a little clearer that you were totally changing the subject. Especially since that's not really a "path." You just went full Limbaugh, spewing a bunch of angry stuff about Hillary and then concluding with "there's much more going on than politics" after inserting yourself into a conversation that was 100% about politics.

 

[cstu]

I think it's funny that Republicans have finally realized that Democrats were so correct about W that they refuse to nominate his brother.

 

[The Commish]

You can't even call this moving the goalposts. It's like the kicker was lining up and you suddenly decided we're playing Hungry Hungry Hippos instead.

Imglad somebody else called him out on this. He does this all the time.

I don't know what either of you are saying. You both seem to be taking issue with the flip flopping comparison between Rubio and Clinton? Or do you take issue with Tim's retort to that comparison where I don't believe the ends justify the means? I saw TF's post prior to this, but had no idea what he was trying to say or if he was even talking to me, so I'd like clarification. I made two comments independent of one another on two different comments and I don't know which you're taking issue with

The conversation was about the presidential election and who is and is not gaining traction, specifically why Rubio isn't getting more support. You compared him to Clinton, noting that "if he's paying the slightest bit of attention to the path Hillary's on he should know it won't end well." That doesn't make any sense in this context

If you meant instead to say that she's on a path to ruin because she's a stupid moron with an ugly face and a big butt and her butt smells and she likes to kiss her own butt (paraphrasing here), then you probably should have been a little clearer that you were totally changing the subject. Especially since that's not really a "path." You just went full Limbaugh, spewing a bunch of angry stuff about Hillary and then concluding with "there's much more going on than politics" after inserting yourself into a conversation that was 100% about politics.

I made a comment to sho nuff about Rubio and the flip flopping issue and not knowing what he actually stands for (which is part of the problem he isn't gaining traction). That's very similar to Clinton only the other direction. She's pretty good when she's the only known commodity in the race but she is a pretty good example of how difficult you can make it for yourself if you take that path of saying whatever you think is necessary to get elected. She's now in a position where she's struggling against a "socialist" and by all accounts this should be a layup (if you ask her supporters). Let's face it, her trustworthiness numbers suck. Tim's reply was "she's next in line to be President of the United State lololololololol....." That spurred my "any means necessary comment" which was to that comment specifically, not the comment I made to sho nuff prior because in my mind the end doesn't justify the means. Damaging your reputation that much to be President is the very definition of a sociopath. There's no reason to believe Rubio won't find himself in the same position if he continues going down this path that Hillary has blazed.

As I said before, two separate comments to two separate tangents. They just happened to be in the same quote block

 

[Joe Summer]

Now this is just weird:

Audit the Ted.

Looks like a couple of South Park Canadians.

 

[TobiasFunke]

You can't even call this moving the goalposts. It's like the kicker was lining up and you suddenly decided we're playing Hungry Hungry Hippos instead.

Imglad somebody else called him out on this. He does this all the time.

I don't know what either of you are saying. You both seem to be taking issue with the flip flopping comparison between Rubio and Clinton? Or do you take issue with Tim's retort to that comparison where I don't believe the ends justify the means? I saw TF's post prior to this, but had no idea what he was trying to say or if he was even talking to me, so I'd like clarification. I made two comments independent of one another on two different comments and I don't know which you're taking issue with

The conversation was about the presidential election and who is and is not gaining traction, specifically why Rubio isn't getting more support. You compared him to Clinton, noting that "if he's paying the slightest bit of attention to the path Hillary's on he should know it won't end well." That doesn't make any sense in this context

If you meant instead to say that she's on a path to ruin because she's a stupid moron with an ugly face and a big butt and her butt smells and she likes to kiss her own butt (paraphrasing here), then you probably should have been a little clearer that you were totally changing the subject. Especially since that's not really a "path." You just went full Limbaugh, spewing a bunch of angry stuff about Hillary and then concluding with "there's much more going on than politics" after inserting yourself into a conversation that was 100% about politics.

I made a comment to sho nuff about Rubio and the flip flopping issue and not knowing what he actually stands for (which is part of the problem he isn't gaining traction). That's very similar to Clinton only the other direction. She's pretty good when she's the only known commodity in the race but she is a pretty good example of how difficult you can make it for yourself if you take that path of saying whatever you think is necessary to get elected. She's now in a position where she's struggling against a "socialist" and by all accounts this should be a layup (if you ask her supporters). Let's face it, her trustworthiness numbers suck. Tim's reply was "she's next in line to be President of the United State lololololololol....." That spurred my "any means necessary comment" which was to that comment specifically, not the comment I made to sho nuff prior because in my mind the end doesn't justify the means. Damaging your reputation that much to be President is the very definition of a sociopath. There's no reason to believe Rubio won't find himself in the same position if he continues going down this path that Hillary has blazed.

As I said before, two separate comments to two separate tangents. They just happened to be in the same quote block

This is total nonsense. It's based on the false premise that there are only two people on earth who want the Democratic nomination for the presidency and therefore the fact that she has not locked that nomination up with more than 80% certainty six months in advance means she has chosen poorly. Come on. You're trying way too hard here. She's the odds-on favorite to become the next President of the United States. Whatever you think of her (and I don't like her either, FWIW), the path she's chosen from a political/electoral standpoint has clearly been successful so far.

 

[QuizGuy66]

Now this is just weird:

Audit the Ted.

Looks like a couple of South Park Canadians.

I think that is what they were going for.

-QG

 

[sho nuff]

More due to what the GOP is pushing out there than her being a great candidate. But Obama as green as he was went through her.

She is dirty as hell...but teflon to this point.

I mean, she's teflon because outside of Sanders, the Ds won't put up a legit candidate against her, and Sanders has the socialist stigma and looks like your crazy uncle. Who's gonna take her down on the D side? Obama came in fresh, young, energetic, personable, and connected with young voters. None of the D contenders have that same air about them. Bernie seems to connect the best with the millennial voter demo....he did a series of interviews with Killer Mike, after all...but outside of that, it just looks like a rehash of the same tired politicians. I think part of the teflon is that a lot of people realize she's probably the safest candidate and they're absolutely terrified of the GOP.I really think that if the GOP could drift more to the center and could put up a candidate who didn't suck, they'd have a good chance at this election. At this point, I'm still just having trouble seeing it. I could be wrong....Trump is still around, who the hell knows.

Problem is...those who control things with the GOP refuse to go towards the center.

You don't know what the hell you are talking about. Please stop.

Yeah...its not as if they keep digging their heels in on social issues and pandering to the religious right or anything.



sorry you can't see whats going on with the party that you continue to support and that many of us used to.

If the people you say were in control of the party...Trump would never had an opening to even challenge for the nomination.

I am keenly aware of what is going on with the party and who is in control of the party. You are not, clearly.

Trump gaining momentum of possible voters is not disproving my point about the party who seemingly don't want him on top

Clearly, by how the or ght brings things up and votes...my thoughts on where the party is is dead on balls accurate.

 

[The Commish]

You can't even call this moving the goalposts. It's like the kicker was lining up and you suddenly decided we're playing Hungry Hungry Hippos instead.

Imglad somebody else called him out on this. He does this all the time.

I don't know what either of you are saying. You both seem to be taking issue with the flip flopping comparison between Rubio and Clinton? Or do you take issue with Tim's retort to that comparison where I don't believe the ends justify the means? I saw TF's post prior to this, but had no idea what he was trying to say or if he was even talking to me, so I'd like clarification. I made two comments independent of one another on two different comments and I don't know which you're taking issue with

The conversation was about the presidential election and who is and is not gaining traction, specifically why Rubio isn't getting more support. You compared him to Clinton, noting that "if he's paying the slightest bit of attention to the path Hillary's on he should know it won't end well." That doesn't make any sense in this context

If you meant instead to say that she's on a path to ruin because she's a stupid moron with an ugly face and a big butt and her butt smells and she likes to kiss her own butt (paraphrasing here), then you probably should have been a little clearer that you were totally changing the subject. Especially since that's not really a "path." You just went full Limbaugh, spewing a bunch of angry stuff about Hillary and then concluding with "there's much more going on than politics" after inserting yourself into a conversation that was 100% about politics.

I made a comment to sho nuff about Rubio and the flip flopping issue and not knowing what he actually stands for (which is part of the problem he isn't gaining traction). That's very similar to Clinton only the other direction. She's pretty good when she's the only known commodity in the race but she is a pretty good example of how difficult you can make it for yourself if you take that path of saying whatever you think is necessary to get elected. She's now in a position where she's struggling against a "socialist" and by all accounts this should be a layup (if you ask her supporters). Let's face it, her trustworthiness numbers suck. Tim's reply was "she's next in line to be President of the United State lololololololol....." That spurred my "any means necessary comment" which was to that comment specifically, not the comment I made to sho nuff prior because in my mind the end doesn't justify the means. Damaging your reputation that much to be President is the very definition of a sociopath. There's no reason to believe Rubio won't find himself in the same position if he continues going down this path that Hillary has blazed.

As I said before, two separate comments to two separate tangents. They just happened to be in the same quote block

This is total nonsense. It's based on the false premise that there are only two people on earth who want the Democratic nomination for the presidency and therefore the fact that she has not locked that nomination up with more than 80% certainty six months in advance means she has chosen poorly. Come on. You're trying way too hard here. She's the odds-on favorite to become the next President of the United States. Whatever you think of her (and I don't like her either, FWIW), the path she's chosen from a political/electoral standpoint has clearly been successful so far.

Yeah....not sure it means that at all or is based on that at all because as I said before the end goal isn't "by any means necessary". But I did try to match nonsense (from Hillary supporters saying it's a lay up because he's a "socialist") with more nonsense (tongue firmly in cheek for a lot of it). Bad joke...bad delivery...bad everything it appears.

Regardless, my overarching point with the flip flopping and what it gets you can be answered by watching what's happened / is happening to Hillary. She's the supposed front runner to the Dem nomination, but to what end? If you subscribe to the "by any means necessary" way of thinking, my comments will fall on deaf ears.

 

[Fennis]

"[The Republican Party] is dictated by the far right and the media goes along with that and the attention goes along with that….I think that the media in many ways, this is back in 2012, they promoted Rick Santorum, Michelle Bachmann, and Herman Cain as representatives of Republican thought, when I don’t really believe it…I think the majority of Republicans are classic liberals, that they’re fiscally conservative and socially liberal, but that isn’t what the world would be led to believe.” - Gary Johnson

“The problem with Rand Paul is, is that he’s not a social liberal, he’s a social conservative. So where’s the draw to Rand Paul?” - Gary Johnson

Hope to see you guys in the Gary Johnson thread. Leave this Trump, Cruz, Rubio, and Carson nonsense behind.

 

[sho nuff]

I like Gary (voted for him m last time and probably will again)...but I would not consider Paul a complete social conservative at all.

 

[Joe Summer]

I couldn't find the Sarah Palin thread so I'm just gonna post this here:

Sarah Palin blames President Obama for her son's PTSD and domestic violence issues

Track Palin served in Iraq in 2008

 

[lod01]

Trump dominating. Latest Poll - 36% to 17% for Cruz and 11% for Big Ears Rubio. Get on board losers. Palin adding voters left and right.

 

[MaxThreshold]

Sorry, but I'm still voting Rubio at this point. No one else - and I mean NO ONE - does anything for me.

 

[lod01]

Sorry, but I'm still voting Rubio at this point. No one else - and I mean NO ONE - does anything for me.

Rubio is a loser and too lazy to even shown up to cast his vote in congress. He doesn't give a rat's ### about anything but himself.

 

[sho nuff]

Sorry, but I'm still voting Rubio at this point. No one else - and I mean NO ONE - does anything for me.

Rubio is a loser and too lazy to even shown up to cast his vote in congress. He doesn't give a rat's ### about anything but himself.

Did you and knuckles switch schtick and now you are acting like Trump?

 

[MaxThreshold]

Sorry, but I'm still voting Rubio at this point. No one else - and I mean NO ONE - does anything for me.

Rubio is a loser and too lazy to even shown up to cast his vote in congress. He doesn't give a rat's ### about anything but himself.

Meh. Obama did the same thing and he got elected twice. ####, they even gave him a Nobel Peace Prize for doing nothing.

Seems like Rubio has just a good a chance as anyone to become President...and get a Peace Prize.

 

[fatguyinalittlecoat]

Rubio has no chance at a peace prize.

 

[Fennis]

I couldn't find the Sarah Palin thread so I'm just gonna post this here:

Sarah Palin blames President Obama for her son's PTSD and domestic violence issues

Track Palin served in Iraq in 2008

pretty disgusting to politicize your own sons domestic abuse acts and PTSD. I cant imagine how much he must hate her.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Just found out yesterday that the Univ of Miami is hosting a GOP debate 5 days prior to the March 15th priary in Florida. You would think it likely will be Trump, Cruz, and I believe Rubio at that point duking it out. Jeb at some point needs to throw his support behind a fellow Floridian and get out of the way.

 

[culdeus]

Carson quit yet? Haven't heard a thing about him in what seems like a month.

 

[Sand]

Carson quit yet? Haven't heard a thing about him in what seems like a month.

I know he suspended his campaign a couple days ago due to a car wreck involving a bunch of his aides. Haven't heard that he's back at it, though.

 

[Righetti]

would not be totally surprised if he doesn't come back out again after that tragedy.. the writing is on the wall for Carson, he might see this as a time to step away gracefully... who knows... probably not

 

[Higgs]

would not be totally surprised if he doesn't come back out again after that tragedy.. the writing is on the wall for Carson, he might see this as a time to step away gracefully... who knows... probably not

He said on the radio the other day that if he doesn't do well in Iowa or NH he's out.

 

[AnonymousBob]

Now this is just weird:

Audit the Ted.

The real tragedy in all this is Stewart and Colbert are no longer doing their shows. This season has been a veritable gold mine of comedy.

 

[SIDA!]

So a well known right wing blogger (Ace of Spades) posted something interesting today in response to the National Review dust up. It only mirrors exactly what I have been saying since July/August about the dynamics of this race.

It reads (emphasis mine):

January 22, 2016

Against The Establishment

It's a pretty sad day when Joy Reid of MSNBC makes more sense to me than National Review.

Check out her diagnosis (which mostly comes from moderate Republican turned liberalish independent Bruce Bartlett) at 6:45.

It's accurate -- the establishment/elite has been selling lies to everyone outside the donor class for years. They use their power to enact their own priorities into law, while telling the rest of us "it's too hard" or "it will scare the moderates."

And for years we went along with this.

Well, as she notes, the issue of immigration has caused this bargain -- the elites get their actual agenda, everyone else gets lies and empty promises -- to break down, probably forever.

You know, for years, I felt it was my duty to sell these #### sandwiches to readers for the Greater Good of winning elections.

I didn't like doing it, but I thought that, for example, the War on Terror was too important to risk a rupture over other questions.

Although I've come to hate politics and I just despise reading the news now, the one good thing is that I'm liberated from splashing some ketchup on Sandwiches Made of Actual #### and trying to sell them to people as tasty and healthful.

I feel liberated. I serve no "Greater Good," as I don't know that there's a Greater Good to be served anymore. So I can just say exactly what I think.

And what I think is that the establishment has to be destroyed.

We will not be ignored, we will not be condescended to, we will no longer accept broken promises and lies as our payment for our service to the GOP.

And if it requires destroying the GOP and electing a Democrat to teach the establishment this lesson, to chastise them and to humble them, then we shall do just that, and do so happily.

You will either come to terms, or you will be destroyed.

Here is a sample of some things I have written in the past going back to July/August and more recent.

July 21

Not sure I will support him [TRUMP], but it is tempting given my desire to see the GOP establishment destroyed. I may vote for him just so I can express my hatred toward the Boehner's and McConnells of the world.

And if he runs as a third party candidate and allows a Dem to win. So be it. Serves the GOP right for its failings.

August 18

You don't get it and most people don't get it, either.


And I hope that people continue to not get it. I am a lifelong GOPer. And frankly, it would bring me an immense amount of pleasure to see the GOP destroyed. Eff them, eff their leadership, eff their selling out, eff them to hell.

I would rather have Democrats run the country into the ground (in my opinion) than vote for these GOP ####bags who lie to our faces every cycle.

August 22

THE VERY FACT THAT JEB BUSH IS EVEN RUNNING FOR OFFICE AND IS CONSIDERED LEGITIMATE FRONTRUNNER PRE-TRUMP TELLS YOU EVERYTHING YOU NEED TO KNOW ABOUT THE GOP.


Or at least to people like me who are GOPers.

For those who don't get it or are not a part of the GOP...it means we are ####ed and that we are going to be forced another ####### squish who will tell us he is for X,Y and Z...but will give us more of A, B and C.

So, I don't want to vote for Trump. But, if the GOP doesn't want to give me a real Republican to vote for...then I guess I just have to say, "#### it. I give up. Let's enjoy the fireworks."

At this point in my life I am long past voting for the lesser of two evils or taking a principled stand and voting for a third party to send a message. As I stated previously in this thread or the other, I am looking to destroy the GOP establishment.

And if Trump wins the nomination, win or lose in the general, the GOP establishment will be destroyed.

January 20, 2016

Oh...I don't really trust him [TRUMP] to do any of it. And there is a lot of stuff that he says that makes me cringe.


In other posts I have expressed skepticism and said that he isn't a real conservative, etc. Not sure if you saw the other post I made that was quoted in the link...but I also expressed some issues I have with the GOP and that my vote is primarily geared toward sending a message to the party leadership/establishment.

I am not exclusively voting based on who I think will have the best chance to win in November. My primary goal with my vote is to destroy the establishment wing of the party. I think the only two options at this point are Cruz and Trump.

This will sound like bull#### to some of the resident lefties on this board...but I am not a win at all costs Republican who is only looking to win in November. The last thing I want to give the GOP controlling the house and senate is an establishment president. That will be a disaster.

I would rather nominate Trump and have him lose then see an establishment candidate win.

I have had my pulse on this race and what is going on inside the GOP going back to July. There is an intraparty civil war being waged and it is awesome. And the predominant theme behind this civil war is that our elected leaders in the GOP cater to the elites and sell the rank and file out with empty promise after empty promise.

And it is why I have said that Trump, assuming he gets the nomination, will pull massively from the Dem ranks in a general because these themes are prevalent on that side of the aisle as well.

 

[Fennis]

Carson quit yet? Haven't heard a thing about him in what seems like a month.

I know he suspended his campaign a couple days ago due to a car wreck involving a bunch of his aides. Haven't heard that he's back at it, though.

he's in it to sell books

 

[Loan Sharks]

Seriously where do you get a Trump bumper sticker. My good friends wife is a campaigner for Clinton and has a Clinton sign in her yard. I am going to sneak a Trump sticker onto her car.

 

[trogg78]

Seriously where do you get a Trump bumper sticker. My good friends wife is a campaigner for Clinton and has a Clinton sign in her yard. I am going to sneak a Trump sticker onto her car.

I know you're a Trump supporter and all, but have you tried checking the Internet.