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Official 2016 GOP thread: Is it really going to be Donald Trump?? (1 Viewer)

All Trump has is one-liners and comebacks, he's like a kid on the playground.

Bernie wouldn't be phased by it, and can obviously run circles around Trump policy-wise.

The guy doesn't even know what the nuclear triad is, but is gonna win a debate against someone who's been in politics for 40 years?

 
All Trump has is one-liners and comebacks, he's like a kid on the playground.

Bernie wouldn't be phased by it, and can obviously run circles around Trump policy-wise.

The guy doesn't even know what the nuclear triad is, but is gonna win a debate against someone who's been in politics for 40 years?
He's held his own against Cruz who is supposedly a master debater (lol).

 
All Trump has is one-liners and comebacks, he's like a kid on the playground.

Bernie wouldn't be phased by it, and can obviously run circles around Trump policy-wise.

The guy doesn't even know what the nuclear triad is, but is gonna win a debate against someone who's been in politics for 40 years?
He's held his own against Cruz who is supposedly a master debater (lol).
Cruz and Sanders play by the traditional rules of debating. Trump ignores that stuff and just hurls insults, one-liners, and vague promises.
 
All Trump has is one-liners and comebacks, he's like a kid on the playground.

Bernie wouldn't be phased by it, and can obviously run circles around Trump policy-wise.

The guy doesn't even know what the nuclear triad is, but is gonna win a debate against someone who's been in politics for 40 years?
He's held his own against Cruz who is supposedly a master debater (lol).
Cruz and Sanders play by the traditional rules of debating. Trump ignores that stuff and just hurls insults, one-liners, and vague promises.
And?

 
All Trump has is one-liners and comebacks, he's like a kid on the playground.

Bernie wouldn't be phased by it, and can obviously run circles around Trump policy-wise.

The guy doesn't even know what the nuclear triad is, but is gonna win a debate against someone who's been in politics for 40 years?
He's held his own against Cruz who is supposedly a master debater (lol).
Cruz and Sanders play by the traditional rules of debating. Trump ignores that stuff and just hurls insults, one-liners, and vague promises.
There are two huge differences between Trump at GOP debates and Trump in a possible general election debate is that Trump's GOP opponents: (1) can't attack him too much because they don't want to alienate his supporters if Trump fades or if they win the nomination over him and need their support in the general; and (2) can't really attack his more asinine proposals because GOP primary voters largely agree with him.

Neither of those things will restrain his general election opponent. No reason to win over Trumpies because he's not going anywhere at that point, and its more important at that point to win over independents and undecided voters than GOP primary types.

 
So some people don't want Trump but they are ok with a half assed communist..interesting.
Use conclusions much?
Which conclusion...Bernie being a communist or the implication that you are supporting him?
Either, both, and others implicit in the message. eta - I think I would vote for Bernie over Trump in a 2 man race, but I don't finally resolve how to vote until the last moment when I walk in the booth. I don't "support" anybody. I can rule out who I won't vote for though and Trump is in that number.

 
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All Trump has is one-liners and comebacks, he's like a kid on the playground.

Bernie wouldn't be phased by it, and can obviously run circles around Trump policy-wise.

The guy doesn't even know what the nuclear triad is, but is gonna win a debate against someone who's been in politics for 40 years?
Bernie isn't going to debate Don unless he's a 3rd party candidate. DNC won't run him , they will backstab him with Biden.
 
What I love is all the people who have convinced themselves that Sanders could win. It really is precious.
Over Hillary or a GOP candidate?

Could...yes, to both.

Will...that is a different story.
Both. The likelihood of him defeating her is very slim. She has something like 60-70% of super delegates already in her camp. That is about 1/4 of what she needs for the nomination. Now, sure, he trounced her in the Northeast. The more amazing thing was his even split in Iowa. So, ok, split Iowa and trounced her in NH. He should be up on her with delegates right? Not so much. She has 394 and he has 44. Then, let's look at a state that is somewhat important to getting a nomination like Florida. Polls show Soviet Sanders getting trounced by Hillary. Now, the last one was done before the NH win but still 64 for Clinton and 25 for Sanders is a big divide. Well, maybe that is just Florida? Nope. SC 64 Clinton/27 Sanders. The most recent poll was Oklahoma 44 Clinton/28 Sanders (02/10). Sure, Soviet Sanders will fight well and hard in the blue of blue states and likely beat her up but she still has plenty of votes from the voters and then has the superdelegates soundly in her corner. Impossible? No, Sanders has built up the mo and starting to get true believers that he might actually win. But still at this point unlikely. The biggest foe Clinton has it not Sanders but herself at this point.

So, let's say that ole' Soviet Sanders keeps ticking along (both campaign and heart- the guy looks like he is about to keel over any second now). He gets the Democratic Nomination. Congrats Soviet Sanders!!!! Now what? Well, assuming we in the GOP don't screw up and send Trump up as our nominee then the Democrats have just shot themselves in the foot. Not only will Sanders not win a general election (I will explain that in a second) but it would actually severly damage the Democratic party as it would send many Blue Dog Democrats either to move to the GOP or perhaps lose election. Further, it will take years and years of the Democratic party basically trying to convince the nation that they are not the socialist party of the US and throw it out the window. A lot of progress, politically, that has been made the by the Democratic party over the years has been in painting the GOP as the extreme party and that they are the moderate party. You are no longer able to do that once you have presented Soviet Sanders as your nominee. Follow Democrats for years will have to explain why they are not like Sanders and are not Socialists or Social Democrats like he is. Now, I promised I would explain why he would lose- the answer is simply: It will be easy to define him, since he has already done it for us, as a socialist. He will get blasted to smithereens and the reality is that in the general election- blue states may love him but the red won't (no surprise) but then the red leaning states will turn solidly red against him. The blue leaning states will end up being the truly contested states but states like Florida and Ohio will be won by the GOP candidate (assuming not Trump) and Sanders will have no path to victory and leave the Democratic party in chaos.

 
Calling him soviet is a great touch and lets me know right away that much of what you say should be discounted

BTW...he is not my nominee...not a democrat...but he is the one right now who actually could get me to vote for him as far as any that have a chance to secure either nomination.

 
Calling him soviet is a great touch and lets me know right away that much of what you say should be discounted

BTW...he is not my nominee...not a democrat...but he is the one right now who actually could get me to vote for him as far as any that have a chance to secure either nomination.
If you think he can defeat Hillary you ought to get use to it. Sure, he is really a Social Democrat in the image of a Scandinavian country but there is plenty of things in his past where he showed not just a love for the Scandinavians but for the Soviets and their allies. But do not worry- you will not have to make the effort to vote this year as he will not make it out of the Democratic party primary.

 
bolzano said:
If the GOP tries to shove Rubio down our throats, I hope that Trump runs third party and blows everything up.

Rubio eyes brokered convention after NH setback

The best hope of the Republican establishment just a week ago, Marco Rubio suddenly faces a path to his party's presidential nomination that could require a brokered national convention.

That's according to Rubio's campaign manager, Terry Sullivan, who told The Associated Press that this week's disappointing performance in New Hampshire will extend the Republican nomination fight for another three months, if not longer. It's a worst-case scenario for Rubio and many Republican officials alike who hoped to avoid a prolonged and painful nomination fight in 2016.

"We very easily could be looking at May - or the convention," Sullivan said as Rubio's charter jet traveled from New Hampshire to South Carolina this week. "I would be surprised if it's not May or the convention."
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_GOP_2016_RUBIO?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2016-02-11-03-46-36
Nobody wants Rubio shoved down their throat......... Not even his wife

 
timschochet said:
Is a good deal of Donald Trump's popularity simply a response to the fact that for the last 8 years we've had a liberal black man as our President?
My take is people are fed up with politics as usual.

this country needs a political shake-up

 
Just heard something interesting on the Michael Medved show. I can NOT confirm this elsewhere. According to him, 58% of Republican voters polled while voting in New Hampshire support a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants, and are opposed to deportation.

 
bolzano said:
If the GOP tries to shove Rubio down our throats, I hope that Trump runs third party and blows everything up.

Rubio eyes brokered convention after NH setback

The best hope of the Republican establishment just a week ago, Marco Rubio suddenly faces a path to his party's presidential nomination that could require a brokered national convention.

That's according to Rubio's campaign manager, Terry Sullivan, who told The Associated Press that this week's disappointing performance in New Hampshire will extend the Republican nomination fight for another three months, if not longer. It's a worst-case scenario for Rubio and many Republican officials alike who hoped to avoid a prolonged and painful nomination fight in 2016.

"We very easily could be looking at May - or the convention," Sullivan said as Rubio's charter jet traveled from New Hampshire to South Carolina this week. "I would be surprised if it's not May or the convention."
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_GOP_2016_RUBIO?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2016-02-11-03-46-36
The longer we go with 5 people splitting significant pieces of votes and therefore delegates (discounting Carson and Gilmore) the more likely the brokered convention will be. I'd say Donald has a better shot of being the nominee in that scenario than Cruz because there isn't anyone there who will go to bat for him. If Trump is close to the number and is just a few delegates short, I could see him getting the nomination. Regardless, a brokered convention winner i don't see beating Hillary. There will be too many negative feelings over that to heal the fracture in time.

 
Just heard something interesting on the Michael Medved show. I can NOT confirm this elsewhere. According to him, 58% of Republican voters polled while voting in New Hampshire support a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants, and are opposed to deportation.
That would suggest that ~42% (probably less as they may have said "I don't know) would not support a path to citizenship

Trump pulled about 35% of the vote and Cruz pulled 12%. So 5% of the people who voted for one of those two is voting directly against a belief they have as they are both on record as pretty strong stances against immigration. Trump with his deportation and wall and Cruz with his hard line on the rule of law

 
bolzano said:
Just heard something interesting on the Michael Medved show. I can NOT confirm this elsewhere. According to him, 58% of Republican voters polled while voting in New Hampshire support a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants, and are opposed to deportation.
The exit poll that I saw shows that 56% support a path to legalization, not citizenship. It's a big difference, since citizenship confers voting rights, etc. I would also note that the NH Republican electorate is hardly representative of the GOP overall, so I wouldn't read much into it.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/02/09/us/elections/new-hampshire-republican-poll.html
But it's interesting no matter what because it may suggest that at least some of the people who are voting for Trump don't agree with Trump on this issue.
 
Hillary is a stronger candidate than anyone on the right, how do you figure sanders will get crushed?

Yes the 5 seed beat the 1 seed, but they will totally get crushed by some 8 seed.

 
bolzano said:
Just heard something interesting on the Michael Medved show. I can NOT confirm this elsewhere. According to him, 58% of Republican voters polled while voting in New Hampshire support a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants, and are opposed to deportation.
The exit poll that I saw shows that 56% support a path to legalization, not citizenship. It's a big difference, since citizenship confers voting rights, etc. I would also note that the NH Republican electorate is hardly representative of the GOP overall, so I wouldn't read much into it.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/02/09/us/elections/new-hampshire-republican-poll.html
But it's interesting no matter what because it may suggest that at least some of the people who are voting for Trump don't agree with Trump on this issue.
You might not be aware of this, Tim, but every voter votes for somebody who doesn't agree with them 100% on every issue.

And I have said before that had the GOP put forth serious border security proposals and gone after employers and things like that that much of the electorate would be pretty much okay with legalization of the ones here. But now that it has been dragging on for decades even people who support pathways to legalization are more concerned with border security and enforcement. And since nobody but Trump and Cruz have really sounded serious about enforcement...that is where the votes are going.

 
bolzano said:
Just heard something interesting on the Michael Medved show. I can NOT confirm this elsewhere. According to him, 58% of Republican voters polled while voting in New Hampshire support a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants, and are opposed to deportation.
The exit poll that I saw shows that 56% support a path to legalization, not citizenship. It's a big difference, since citizenship confers voting rights, etc. I would also note that the NH Republican electorate is hardly representative of the GOP overall, so I wouldn't read much into it.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/02/09/us/elections/new-hampshire-republican-poll.html
But it's interesting no matter what because it may suggest that at least some of the people who are voting for Trump don't agree with Trump on this issue.
How many times have you been told on this forum that Trump is running an emotion based campaign and not one centered on issues and policy? I know I've said it at least a dozen times.

 
bolzano said:
Just heard something interesting on the Michael Medved show. I can NOT confirm this elsewhere. According to him, 58% of Republican voters polled while voting in New Hampshire support a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants, and are opposed to deportation.
The exit poll that I saw shows that 56% support a path to legalization, not citizenship. It's a big difference, since citizenship confers voting rights, etc. I would also note that the NH Republican electorate is hardly representative of the GOP overall, so I wouldn't read much into it.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/02/09/us/elections/new-hampshire-republican-poll.html
But it's interesting no matter what because it may suggest that at least some of the people who are voting for Trump don't agree with Trump on this issue.
How many times have you been told on this forum that Trump is running an emotion based campaign and not one centered on issues and policy? I know I've said it at least a dozen times.
Exactly. Tim and others have been hearing this for months...but still can't figure out why a guy who shouldn't be winning is winning.

Oh wait... I am not going to vote for Trump because he didn't give me a 20 page business plan on how he is going to build the wall and get Mexico to pay for it.

I guess I will vote for the other guys who will leave the border open.

 
bolzano said:
Just heard something interesting on the Michael Medved show. I can NOT confirm this elsewhere. According to him, 58% of Republican voters polled while voting in New Hampshire support a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants, and are opposed to deportation.
The exit poll that I saw shows that 56% support a path to legalization, not citizenship. It's a big difference, since citizenship confers voting rights, etc. I would also note that the NH Republican electorate is hardly representative of the GOP overall, so I wouldn't read much into it.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/02/09/us/elections/new-hampshire-republican-poll.html
But it's interesting no matter what because it may suggest that at least some of the people who are voting for Trump don't agree with Trump on this issue.
Even if this is true. so what? I would think it is fairly rare for most people to have 100% agreement with the person they vote for on every issue.

 
Trump's details about illegal immigration wasn't the point of my post. Nor did it have anything to do with what kind of campaign he is running.

I just found the information interesting, especially when contrasted to the news, which the media was so eager to report on Tuesday night, that 2/3rds of Republicans agreed with Trump about barring all Muslims from coming here. I have, however, drawn no real conclusions.

 
Trump's details about illegal immigration wasn't the point of my post. Nor did it have anything to do with what kind of campaign he is running.

I just found the information interesting, especially when contrasted to the news, which the media was so eager to report on Tuesday night, that 2/3rds of Republicans agreed with Trump about barring all Muslims from coming here. I have, however, drawn no real conclusions.
This is just New Hampshire though. 2/3rds of Repubs may still agree with him.

 
bolzano said:
Ted Cruz Pulls Ad After Film History of Actress Is Revealed: ‘Unfortunately, She Was Not Vetted’

The Ted Cruz campaign on Thursday pulled a 30-second ad attacking 2016 rial Marco Rubio after it learned that one of the actresses featured in the spot previously appeared in pornographic films.

Actress Amy Lindsay, featured in Cruz’s now-suspended “Conservatives Anonymous” ad delivering one line, previously performed in adult films such as “Kinky Sex Club, Milf, Carnal Wishes,” “Sex Sent Me to the ER” and “Insatiable Desires.”

“The actress responded to an open casting call,” Cruz spokeswoman Catherine Frazier said in a statement to The Daily Caller. “She passed her audition and got the job. Unfortunately, she was not vetted by the casting company. Had the campaign known of her full filmography, we obviously would not have let her appear in the ad. The campaign is taking the ad down and will replace it with a different commercial.”

Lindsay, who identified as a Christian conservative, previously told BuzzFeed that the Cruz campaign “absolutely knew everything that I have done.” She later called the outlet back to say she “was wrong in that statement.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRWIj6os4L4

:lmao:
May I steal this for my Trump thread? Or would you mind posting over there so I can riff on it.

 
Hillary is a stronger candidate than anyone on the right, how do you figure sanders will get crushed?

Yes the 5 seed beat the 1 seed, but they will totally get crushed by some 8 seed.
You do understand the difference between the voting pool in a primary and the general election, right?
 
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bolzano said:
Poll: Over 4 in 10 back Trump nationwide

Donald Trump has more than double the voter support of any other Republican White House hopeful nationwide, according to a new poll.

Four in 10 Americans are backing the real estate mogul's campaign after his victory in the New Hampshire primary last Tuesday, according to a Morning Consult survey released Friday.

Trump earns 44 percent support from registered Republican and Republican-leaning independent voters. Sen. Ted Cruz (Texas) comes in a distant second, with 17 percent.

Retired neurosurgeon Ben Carson and Sen. Marco Rubio (Fla.) are in third, with 10 percent each.

Trailing them are former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, with 8 percent, and Ohio Gov. John Kasich, with 4 percent.

Six percent “don’t know” or have “no opinion” on which GOP candidate they support; 1 percent prefer “someone else.”

Trump is also viewed favorably by more than 6 in 10 of his party’s voters, pollsters found. He has a 67 percent favorability rating; Rubio's is 62 percent, and Cruz's is 61 percent.

Friday’s results found that Trump’s support has risen 6 points since his win in New Hampshire.

Trump earned 38 percent before Tuesday night’s vote. Cruz’s 17 percent remains unchanged since Morning Consult's last poll, and Rubio is down 5 points.

Morning Consult conducted its latest poll of 710 Republican and Republican-leaning independent voters nationwide Feb. 10-11. It has a 3.7 percentage point margin of error.
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/269229-poll-over-4-in-10-back-trump-nationwide
So basically...like I have been telling the haters for months...if this poll is to be believed Trump's unfavorable ratings are improving the longer he stays in the race and the longer he continues to do well in the polls.

And like I have been saying for months...if he gets the nomination (when?), the same thing is going to happen in the general electorate. Maybe not as much...but enough.

It is odd to me that so many people have been blind to Hillary's inevitability problem and how it mirrors their equally dismissive and superficial judgments of the electorate's view of Trump.

HRC has been seen as the de facto victor going back for a couple of years. But that was as hollow as it was in 2008. And the longer her opponent remains credible and wins...the weaker she becomes because all she has is that inevitability mindset that colored all the political analysis surrounding her.

Trump was seen as a joke, unserious, etc. So the narrative surrounding Trump was focused on this and that is why he had so many unfavorables. Why would anyone vote for a reality show candidate who isn't a serious candidate who doesn't have a chance of winning. Now that he is still in the race and winning elections and crushing polls...he isn't so much a joke any more.

And thus...the mindsets that have been shaping the electorate for both of these candidates is now being recalibrated...dramatically.

 
bolzano said:
Trump was right! Also interesting, Rubio has the lowest favorability rating amongst Hispanics. Perhaps they don't trust him due to his constant flip-flopping on illegal immigration/ amnesty (i.e., pro-amnesty/ immigration dove as a state legislator in FL, anti-amnesty/ immigration hawk during his senate run, pro-amnesty/ immigration dove after he was elected to the senate, anti-amnesty/ immigration hawk now that he's running for president).

A new poll confirms it. In the national survey, which was conducted by Beck Research on behalf of the American Federation for Children, 38 percent of Latinos favor Trump. Ted Cruz got 15 percent. Jeb Bush pulled in 14 percent. And Marco Rubio, the guy who’s supposed to be the one who could unite the party and win? Just 8 percent.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/02/12/no-joke-trump-can-win-plenty-of-latinos.html
And he will pull blacks, too.

Those on the left still haven't realized that a freight train is barreling down on them. Gonna be a lot of fun.

The alienation and anger felt by so much of the electorate is going to inoculate Trump from much of the bull#### political smears and attacks usually used against candidates because the people are more interested in sending a message instead of being lectured by do-nothing losers who only serve the interests of their donors and their own pocketbooks.

 
bolzano said:
Ted Cruz Pulls Ad After Film History of Actress Is Revealed: ‘Unfortunately, She Was Not Vetted’

The Ted Cruz campaign on Thursday pulled a 30-second ad attacking 2016 rial Marco Rubio after it learned that one of the actresses featured in the spot previously appeared in pornographic films.

Actress Amy Lindsay, featured in Cruz’s now-suspended “Conservatives Anonymous” ad delivering one line, previously performed in adult films such as “Kinky Sex Club, Milf, Carnal Wishes,” “Sex Sent Me to the ER” and “Insatiable Desires.”

“The actress responded to an open casting call,” Cruz spokeswoman Catherine Frazier said in a statement to The Daily Caller. “She passed her audition and got the job. Unfortunately, she was not vetted by the casting company. Had the campaign known of her full filmography, we obviously would not have let her appear in the ad. The campaign is taking the ad down and will replace it with a different commercial.”

Lindsay, who identified as a Christian conservative, previously told BuzzFeed that the Cruz campaign “absolutely knew everything that I have done.” She later called the outlet back to say she “was wrong in that statement.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRWIj6os4L4

:lmao:
May I steal this for my Trump thread? Or would you mind posting over there so I can riff on it.
I don't understand at all. Jesus himself is on record saying that he's cool with working with former prostitutes (and this woman wasn't even a prostitute!). This is such a great opportunity for Cruz to show that he's just like Jesus, plus get AWESOME free advertising. He could come out looking great.

His reaction to this shows what a enormous ninny Cruz is. What a tool.

 

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