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Official 2016 GOP thread: Is it really going to be Donald Trump?? (2 Viewers)

lod01 said:
That's mostly it for me. I  hate all of these recycled losers and we need to elect an outsider and then more outsiders after that. I'm using Trump to move forward in destroying the R's & D's. A Trump vs Bernie would be my ideal race. We have to start somewhere. That's what most people don't understand.
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Trump is about the furthest thing from an outsider. He's been part of the political money machine for pretty much his entire life. 

 
bolzano said:
I concede that Cruz has favorability problems, which is something that he would need to overcome. That being said, the high likelihood of a Hillary candidacy mitigates some downside risk, since she's at least equally dislikable. For the bold, Rubio is lying about Cruz's record as well as his own (i.e., Rubio is lying when he calls Cruz a liar), and Carson-gate has been overblown. See here, here, and here.
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I agree with you Rubio hasn't been totally honest either.  But he gets away with it better than Cruz.  He has a better look and vibe to him.  That may or may not be fair, but so much of politics is appearance and perception.  The Ben Carson thing really looks bad, as does the whole voter violation form stunt.  It's made worse because if nothing else, Carson is a likable fellow.

I admit I don't like Cruz and my opinion is skewed from that.  Mine is such a dislike I'd even vote for Hillary over him.  I also concede that the other side is going to nominate a candidate who is going to either have personal likability flaws or policy stance flaws and that may give the Republicans more latitude than normal.  I just don't see Cruz being able to win even under those circumstances.  To me he's the most limited in his upside due to the issues I feel he has.  In the past two cycles, the social conservative has been Huckabee and Santorum.  While neither has had a campaign in structure nor finance to compare with Cruz, they both come across as genuine people.  I don't think that's something you can just change, you either are that type person or you aren't, and I think that's important in a general election. 

 
HellToupee said:
If Mitt had a quarter of Donald's cajones he'd be president today
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You mean like when he told a bunch of wealthy donors that over half of the electorate were leeches and takers and it got leaked and cost him the election? Those kind of cajones?

Trumps bravado plays well with the base but will be a nonstarter in a general if he survives this clown circus.

 
Trump got beat up there. He should have said, "there were no WMD. Bush was the most powerful man in the world. Either his people lied to him or he lied to us. The end result is no different. I know what I believe. You need to decide what you believe."

 
cap'n grunge said:
You mean like when he told a bunch of wealthy donors that over half of the electorate were leeches and takers and it got leaked and cost him the election? Those kind of cajones?

Trumps bravado plays well with the base but will be a nonstarter in a general if he survives this clown circus.
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Was Mitt lying?Mitt running away at the end cost him the election. Trump would handle a situation like that differently

 
:lmao:  Holy #### is Trump funny tonight.  His spiel about eating fast food at McDonalds and KFC was comic genius.  And the his theory about Michael Jackson's downfall (botched plastic surgery) was just about as funny.

 
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Righetti said:
[SIZE=9.5pt]This weekend returned me back 20 years ago when  five or six times per year  Vince McMahon would put [/SIZE]on Saturday Night Main Event.[SIZE=9.5pt]So with that in mind we out our favorite candidates into the WWF[/SIZE]Ted Cruz- Bret Hart

[SIZE=9.5pt]Excellence in Execution has no better comparison in the senate than what Ted Cruz is doing today and we’ll see him pull every string to make sure that Obama can’t get anything done..  [/SIZE]He was immensely popular amongst a certain fringe who believe that he is the best there is, the best there was and there best there ever will be when it comes to fighting for the constitution..

[SIZE=9.5pt]Oh yeah, that and he is a Canadian..[/SIZE]

 

[SIZE=9.5pt]Trump- Ted DiBiase[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9.5pt]Is convinced he can buy the WWF belt and even if he can't, he will buy his own better one. He is more interested in doing it his way than ever thinking he needs to work it through lime everybody else does because he is just that brash and that rich...which makes [/SIZE]

 

[SIZE=9.5pt]Ben Carson[/SIZE] –Virgil

[SIZE=9.5pt]Carson is worth so much more and early on he could have been Rick Steamboat or something but lately he is just sucking up to Donald that this is really all that is left of him[/SIZE]
 

[SIZE=9.5pt]Ronald Reagan- The Hulkster[/SIZE]

[SIZE=9.5pt]Every kid in the 80’s knew that there were two people looking out for them, who spoke about and for American virtue..Ronald Reagan and Hulk Hogan.. Both spoke about prayers yet neither ever made it into a church, both draped themselves in the flag to get their audience to believe and both were actors who proved to be phonies who played to their audience.   [/SIZE] 

[SIZE=9.5pt]Rick Perry- Hacksaw Jim Dugan[/SIZE]

[SIZE=9.5pt]Kind of like the Hulkster expect dumb as a 2x4[/SIZE], draped in the American Flag although you’re not sure he isn’t wiping his ### with it when he’s not in public view..
[SIZE=9.5pt]Chris Christie[/SIZE] -George the Animal Steele
People will tell you that George Steele was a Harvard professor but all you knew about him was he was a walking talking Cookie Monster

[SIZE=9.5pt]Mike Huckabee – The Honky Tonk Man[/SIZE]
The Honky Tonk Man never had realistic aspirations past the intercontinental title, like Mikey Huck never had any real hope for president but embraced the roll like nobody else ever could..

[SIZE=9.5pt]George W. Bush- Macho Man[/SIZE]

[SIZE=9.5pt]The Son of a Wrestler who everybody hoped for greatness.   [/SIZE]Nobody expected Macho Man to win the title in Wrestemania IV but the most unlikely combination happened and he won what was supposed to be the next great champion.  Problem is that he listed to too many people who never had himself, or the WWE’s interest at heart and everybody suffered because of it.  When he spoke, you kind of cringed and you never felt his relationship with Miss Elizabeth-Condi, was all that clean.. That plus there are a million not so quite whispers that the Macho Man was high-as-a-kite for his entire reign. Which makes

[SIZE=9.5pt]Jeb! – Leaping Lanny Poffo[/SIZE]

[SIZE=9.5pt]The much less energetic, much less fun brother of Macho Man.. later became known as the Genius! which is about as laughable as calling Jeb! one.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=9.5pt]George H Bush- Angelo Poffo[/SIZE]

[SIZE=9.5pt]A noted wrestler in the the 60’s and 70’s who spawned a couple of wrestlers and carried his carpet-bagger title proudly.. [/SIZE]

[SIZE=9.5pt]Obama- The Iron Sheik..[/SIZE]

[SIZE=9.5pt]no comment needed[/SIZE]

 

[SIZE=9.5pt]Bernie Sanders- Nikolai Volkoff[/SIZE]

[SIZE=9.5pt]No comment necessary[/SIZE]

[SIZE=9.5pt]Rand- Kurt Angle[/SIZE]

[SIZE=9.5pt]There has never been a better technical wrestler than Kurt Angle, even if he did it with almost no flare or excitement..  [/SIZE]The guy was boring as a personality because he took himself way too seriously and refused to come down to anything entertaining.. Smug as all hell but nobody would ever accuse him of selling out.

 

[SIZE=9.5pt]Rubio- Ricky Steamboat[/SIZE]

[SIZE=9.5pt]One of the more talented guy on the roster but always doomed to be the second fiddle because he just had no real personality.. Maybe America just wasn’t quite ready for him or maybe the idiots that pay $45 to sit in the nosebleeds don’t know any better anyway.. [/SIZE]

[SIZE=9.5pt]Peyton Manning- Jake the Snake[/SIZE]

[SIZE=9.5pt]Loves throwing his snake on some unsuspecting person’s face[/SIZE]

[SIZE=9.5pt]Hillary Clinton- Linda McMahon[/SIZE]

[SIZE=9.5pt]Wife of the guy in charge but we all know who wears the pants, because the guy on top really can’t keep his pants on.. [/SIZE]

[SIZE=9.5pt]Lindsay Graham- Greg the Hammer Valentine[/SIZE][SIZE=9.5pt]. [/SIZE]

[SIZE=9.5pt]Like The Hammer, there are tons of rumors out there implying that Greg likes to get his hammer polished in the sauna at the New York’s Sports Club[/SIZE]

[SIZE=9.5pt] [/SIZE]

[SIZE=9.5pt]Howard Finkel- Bill O’Reily[/SIZE]

[SIZE=9.5pt]Jim Powers and Paul Roma..   [/SIZE][SIZE=9.5pt]Pataki and Jindal.. just a couple of goobers needed to keep the undercard going[/SIZE]
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We forgot two obvious ones

Kasich.   Mean Gene.   For no other reason than Mean Gene is a goober

And we missed the most obvious one...Jesse the Body as...Jesse The Body

 
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This is an interesting article about a potential big problem for Cruz:

Ted Cruz has a Huge Math Problem

Ted Cruz may have a knack for the debate stage and a disciplined, data-driven campaign, but he may also have a huge viability problem.

Cruz’s short-term dilemma has received plenty of attention: Donald Trump is on the verge of a big victory in the South Carolina Republican primary, according to most polls, and could easily capture all 50 of the Palmetto State’s delegates. And if Cruz can’t beat Trump in South Carolina — a Southern state with a large proportion of evangelical and very conservative voters, Cruz’s supposed bread and butter — what “SEC Primary” states can he win on Super Tuesday, March 1?

But Cruz also faces a longer-term, potentially more devastating math problem that has received less attention: The states that are his most natural fits — those with the highest proportions of evangelical voters — are also the least likely to award their delegates on a winner-take-all basis. In other words, Cruz’s votes may not translate into delegates nearly as efficiently as his rivals’.

An examination of the GOP delegate landscape shows that in states where evangelical Protestants are at least 30 percent of the population, just 22 percent of delegates will be awarded on a winner-take-all basis,1 compared to 47 percent of delegates in other states:

This delegate allocation matrix puts Cruz’s campaign at a serious disadvantage. For example, if Cruz wins the primary in his home state of Texas by one vote, he’ll probably win a handful more delegates than his nearest competitor. By contrast, if Marco Rubio or Trump win Florida by one vote, either would win a whopping 99 more delegates than his nearest competitor.

If you only count states that vote after South Carolina, the winner-take-all versus proportional gap gets even more daunting for Cruz. In fact, after South Carolina, the only winner-take-all states with a high proportion of evangelical Protestants are Indiana, Missouri and West Virginia — all of which are winner-take-all by congressional district.

These disparities could help explain why Cruz’s position in betting markets remains very anemic — a good deal behind both Trump and Rubio — even though he is doing fairly well in the polls. Cruz ranks second in the FiveThirtyEight weighted average of national polls, and the newest national NBC/Wall Street Journal survey shows him leading the GOP field for the first time at 28 percent, with 26 percent for Trump and 17 percent for Rubio.

Many pundits had initially predicted that Trump would fade, producing a Cruz-Rubio face-off for the nomination. But the cruel mathematical reality for Cruz could be hinting at a final showdown between Trump and Rubio, with Cruz and others potentially siphoning off enough delegates that neither Trump nor Rubio reach a majority of 2,472 delegates before the convention.

In fact, if Cruz’s prospects are suddenly looking dimmer, the odds of a contested convention in Cleveland may be higher than ever.

 
Very interesting article Whoknew. 

The eatablishment still has a very decent chance to win here but they have to shrink down to one guy, Rubio, Bush, or Kasich, and the other two have to endorse him. Probably Rubio. And it has to be soon. 

 
timschochet said:
Very interesting article Whoknew. 

The eatablishment still has a very decent chance to win here but they have to shrink down to one guy, Rubio, Bush, or Kasich, and the other two have to endorse him. Probably Rubio. And it has to be soon. 
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At the very least...Rubio and Kasich or Bush and Kasich will be in it until the 15th when Ohio and FL vote. By then it will be too late even if one or both drop out.

Trump is the next nominee.

 
SIDA! said:
At the very least...Rubio and Kasich or Bush and Kasich will be in it until the 15th when Ohio and FL vote. By then it will be too late even if one or both drop out.

Trump is the next nominee.
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Kasish is a boring candidate. Jeb is done. Trump is a clownshow running the biggest con job in political history. Nobody likes Cruz. That leaves Rubio. He is smart, articulate and sane. 

This is a recording. I repeat, this is a recording. :thumbup:

 
bolzano said:
Hence the Rubio campaign has already said publicly that their road to the nomination might be via convention fight. The problem with this strategy, as I understand it, is that Rubio must win 8 states to participate in a brokered convention, and that threshold seems daunting if Cruz remains in the race.
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Not if Bush and Kasich drop out in time. 

 
Rubiobot said:
Kasish is a boring candidate. Jeb is done. Trump is a clownshow running the biggest con job in political history. Nobody likes Cruz. That leaves Rubio. He is smart, articulate and sane. 

This is a recording. I repeat, this is a recording. :thumbup:
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So Rubio and his supporters are already at  the "I'm not as bad as them" stage of the campaign?  Really?  SC hasn't even weighed in yet :lol:

 
bolzano said:
Hence the Rubio campaign has already said publicly that their road to the nomination might be via convention fight. The problem with this strategy, as I understand it, is that Rubio must win 8 states to participate in a brokered convention, and that threshold seems daunting if Cruz remains in the race.
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The rule is not just "win", but get over 50%.  It will be a tough hurdle for any of them to win as long as there are more than two candidates.  That's why Cruz spent time visiting Guam and some other territories -- he thinks maybe focusing on some of those small places where nobody campaigns might get him over 50%.

 
bolzano said:
Hence the Rubio campaign has already said publicly that their road to the nomination might be via convention fight. The problem with this strategy, as I understand it, is that Rubio must win 8 states to participate in a brokered convention, and that threshold seems daunting if Cruz remains in the race.
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I think the 8 states requirement is just a convention rule that could be easily changed by the RNC.  I recall reading that it was put in place so Ron Paul couldn't get nominated on the floor.

 
bolzano said:
Hence the Rubio campaign has already said publicly that their road to the nomination might be via convention fight. The problem with this strategy, as I understand it, is that Rubio must win 8 states to participate in a brokered convention, and that threshold seems daunting if Cruz remains in the race.
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Cruz is a Canadian, he can't run.

 
There is only one person running on the R side that is capable of winning the WH. That is Trump.

Bush has ZERO chance because if somehow he weaseled his way to the nomination, Trump will run independent because it would be a slap in his face if Bush became president.

I'm also pretty confident that if Trump doesn't falter and the R's 'pick' the winner, he also runs IND and prevents them from winning the WH. He would have to totally collapse and bow out, not to be running for Pres.

You people may as well get on board Trump because if you don't you are just 'wasting your vote' on an election you can't possibly win.

 
lod01 said:
There is only one person running on the R side that is capable of winning the WH. That is Trump.

Bush has ZERO chance because if somehow he weaseled his way to the nomination, Trump will run independent because it would be a slap in his face if Bush became president.

I'm also pretty confident that if Trump doesn't falter and the R's 'pick' the winner, he also runs IND and prevents them from winning the WH. He would have to totally collapse and bow out, not to be running for Pres.

You people may as well get on board Trump because if you don't you are just 'wasting your vote' on an election you can't possibly win.
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Uh, no. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_kasich_vs_clinton-5162.html

 
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