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Official 2016 GOP thread: Is it really going to be Donald Trump?? (2 Viewers)

NorvilleBarnes said:
Mitt Romney is going to endorse Rubio ahead of the Nevada primary.

Going to be tough for Cruz to keep it a 3 man race.
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Here comes the establishment last stand.  I'd assume pressure is being placed on Kasich right now as well.  I think correctly they realize if Trump marches across the South on March 1 it's going to be awfully hard to ever catch up.

 
Mitt's endorsement will be useful to TRUMP. It puts Rubio  as the establishment's boy Vs the outsider , anti-establishment Donald.

 
HellToupee said:
Mitt's endorsement will be useful to TRUMP. It puts Rubio  as the establishment's boy Vs the outsider , anti-establishment Donald.
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i agree completely.. political endorsements are not what I would seek... 

I would look for cultural or business ones.  Despite not having over the top name value, I think Trump has gotten more from Carl Ichan than any single endorsement has meant to anyone.  

 
Cruz: we had an incredible evening last night, we see now there is only one conservative left in the campaign that can win

Did a conservative drop out last night?  

 
Donald is revenge dating.

"She's bad for you" I know.

"She's not even that hot, she's just easy." So?

"She drinks too much you know." I don't care.

"She insults your friends." They weren't that great.

"You're just doing this to get back at her." And?

 
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Riversco said:
Trump's supporters aren't interested in the details of his plans.  They believe he is a very very successful businessman, and they trust him to come up with a good solution even if he doesn't have the plan yet.  I'm just trying to figure out where his line of thinking is going, because he will evolve further I'm sure.
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This is where a lot of Trump supporters are with him. He is figuring out what to do, a lot of issues he doesn't have a set answer for and unlike other candidates he doesn't give a #### about the politics of it and is trying to come up with a pragmatic approach to problems that partisans are gridlocked on. A prime example is planned parenthood. He was pro planned parenthood, then he heard the GOP line and went to planned parenthood should be defunded, now that he has a plan and researched it he reached the rational conclusion, planned parenthood does a lot of good things but the govt paid abortions are a problem. A compromise that the all or nothing D's and R's are incapable of. 

ACA Most people think there is a way to help those in need without destroying and industry with a ridiculous ponzi scheme. 

Decriminalizing Marijuana at a federal level and letting states decide on recreational use is appealing to moderates. 

Anyone who has followed Trump prior to running knows he puts an expert on a problem needing a expert. When someone asks him a detail about something he gives his general position which is what a figurehead does and pretty much shrugs and says we'll fix it and I'll put one of my guys on it. And he will.

Trump is a moderate and he is crushing it with the moderate voters. 

 
I read an article this morning that Rubio should strike a deal with Kasich to drop out and be his VP choice.  He would announce it now similar to what Reagan did I 1976.   

 
Baloney Sandwich said:
I read an article this morning that Rubio should strike a deal with Kasich to drop out and be his VP choice.  He would announce it now similar to what Reagan did I 1976.   
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FLA + OH is a strong Plan A or Plan B, depending on how people look at it. Kasich would be there to guide like Biden with Obama, or so the theory goes.

 
HellToupee said:
Riversco said:
Let's take the State of California.

California has 4.76 million uninsured. (In 2013, roughly 6.5 million Californians lacked health care coverage, a number that dropped to 4.76 million last year).  Let's say the cheapest insurance plan in California is $200/month. That works out to about $1 billion per month to cover those 4.76 million people.  But the state of California has a population of 36 million.  32 million people have coverage.  Trump could order insurance companies to increase premiums by an average of $30 per month and that would produce the $1 billion needed to cover the last 4.76 million people.  

The trouble is, this wouldn't be a static system.  Once you do that, people will want to leave their plans for the free version.  Others will migrate to California for the free coverage.  So you'd have to make sure that doesn't happen.  There would have to be some means testing.
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So Trump is going to "order" insurers to increase premiums? ie Even more?

That's just grand.

 
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SaintsInDome2006 said:
Donald is revenge dating.

"She's bad for you" I know.

"She's not even that hot, she's just easy." So?

"She drinks too much you know." I don't care.

"She insults your friends." They weren'It that great.

"You're just doing this to get back at her." And?
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In order for it to be revenge dating there would have to have been a relationship in the first place. The relationship between the left and poor white voters was pretty much the left inviting the blue collar whites to the hope and change prom and then dumping a bucket of blood on them and laughing. 

"She's bad for you" Better than getting **** teased and blood dumped on you.

"She's not even that hot, she's just easy." So? every chick on the left calls me a racist and the right chicks want to practice celibacy

"She drinks too much you know." We'll she'll decriminalize marijuana so that will be better. 

"She insults your friends." Those guys are ##### 

"You're just doing this to get back at her." Well she is a ####, and marrying a billionaire is going to sweet and make her crap herself so And? 

 
bolzano said:
For Trump, he can end Cruz's candidacy in Texas on Super Tuesday, and, similarly, with Rubio in Florida (March 15). If they can't beat Trump on their home turf, then they are no longer viable. The most recent polls had Trump within striking distance of Cruz in Texas (5 points), and, moreover, he's been leading in Florida since late summer/ early fall.
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True. However The FL polls were with a lot of candidates, Bush and a ton of undecideds.

 
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With the Ohio connection, it makes sense that he could any end up as the VP of whomever gets the nomination.  Staying in the race does not put any pressure on him to endorse any of the others.

 
As a Trump voter and huge fan of Kasich I think he would be a huge pick up for Donald. He has phenomenal budgeting/balanced budget credentials.  Second to none. 

 
SIDA! said:
Yep. He is against all of them and one of the reasons I have been saying for months that he is going to be deadly in the general against HRC. He is going to crush her with working class Dems. Take it to the bank. 

HRC and the Dems have spent the last 20 years talking to blacks, minorities, gays and illegals. They give lip service to working class Dems...but what have they really done? What has the GOP done? Nothing. 

I keep saying it but he talks in plain English and verbalizes things that most of us say. One example. Have you heard him speak about our foreign aid policies with respect to other nations?

Why do we give billions to countries that hate us? Why do subsidize the national defense and protection of other nations and what are we getting in return for it? Why don't we ask more of South Korea? Why don't we ask more of Germany, etc?

The average American can't wrap their head around this crap. They see the United States as an ATM constantly spitting out money to people who are ungrateful and don't appreciate it while our own people get dicked around at home.
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I've seen this argument before and it's a load of crap. Now if you are talking about military adventurism and nation building I completely agree. Unfortunately however the talk revolves instead around the pittance of foreign aid we give to poor countries such as many of those in Africa. This charity is actually very important to our national security. It both serves to show our neighbors the goodness of country and gives them something to emulate as well as helps to prevent poor people from embracing radical anti-western ideology. One of the best things W did was his aid efforts in Africa.

 
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bolzano said:
Hence the Rubio campaign has already said publicly that their road to the nomination might be via convention fight. The problem with this strategy, as I understand it, is that Rubio must win 8 states to participate in a brokered convention, and that threshold seems daunting if Cruz remains in the race.
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I've been reading up on this rule (see 40(b) here), and it only seems to bring up more questions than answers:

1. what if a candidate wins the majority of total delegates, but only wins 7 states outright? For example, let's say Rubio wins the 7 largest "winner take all" states, but also gets enough proportional delegates and super delegates to hit the 1236 threshold. Would he be excluded from consideration?

2. what if NO candidate wins 8 states? Obviously that's not likely now, but it was a possibility back in the days when there were 17+ candidates in the race.

This article has some insight on Rule 40, and actually indicates that the rule could be re-written just before the 2016 convention. That would make for some interesting :popcorn:.

 
[scooter] said:
This article has some insight on Rule 40, and actually indicates that the rule could be re-written just before the 2016 convention. That would make for some interesting :popcorn:.
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Good article.

"  If the RNC sees Rule 40 (The 8 state minimum) as enough of a hornet’s nest, they could vote to change it again – but in another esoteric provision, they won’t be able to do so until on the eve of the next convention, slated for midsummer 2016. "

OhPleaseOhPleaseOhPlease . . . .

 
[scooter] said:
I've been reading up on this rule (see 40(b) here), and it only seems to bring up more questions than answers:

1. what if a candidate wins the majority of total delegates, but only wins 7 states outright? For example, let's say Rubio wins the 7 largest "winner take all" states, but also gets enough proportional delegates and super delegates to hit the 1236 threshold. Would he be excluded from consideration?

2. what if NO candidate wins 8 states? Obviously that's not likely now, but it was a possibility back in the days when there were 17+ candidates in the race.

This article has some insight on Rule 40, and actually indicates that the rule could be re-written just before the 2016 convention. That would make for some interesting :popcorn:.
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About that last bit... that's one major area of weakness for Trump, he has little to no support or representation in the party committees that write these minute details into reality, he could very well be gamed out of the nomination.

 
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Laura Ingraham is predicting a Trump-Rubio ticket.  Doesn't think Trump is stoppable given the circumstances...doesn't see Rubio as being able to win anywhere...and sees a Rubio addition to the ticket as a way to compromise and bring the party together.  

 
fatguyinalittlecoat said:
3C's said:
Was thinking about casting a vote for Kasich but guess not. http://pilotonline.com/news/government/politics/virginia/virginia-voters-in-gop-primary-must-sign-statement-saying-they/article_4bea8ea7-1e97-56a8-b48f-db62c80300f0.html
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The Virginia GOP dropped this plan last month.  No loyalty oath is required now.
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Possibly more ridiculous than the pledge itself is the VGOP reasoning for dropping it.

“The SCC motion made clear that it was motivated not by any disagreement about the Party’s right of free association under the First Amendment to the US Constitution, but in recognition that Governor Terry McAuliffe’s administration and Attorney General [Mark] Herring had purposely created a situation designed to confuse voters intending to participate in the March 1 Republican Presidential Primary,” the party said in a written statement.

 
bolzano said:
For Trump, he can end Cruz's candidacy in Texas on Super Tuesday, and, similarly, with Rubio in Florida (March 15). If they can't beat Trump on their home turf, then they are no longer viable. The most recent polls had Trump within striking distance of Cruz in Texas (5 points), and, moreover, he's been leading in Florida since late summer/ early fall.
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:goodposting:

I think Cruz will win Texas at like 32-34%, Trump close to 30%, Rubio back in 3rd...but the overall Super Tuesday and almost 600 delegates, at least 200 for Trump IMO, I did a couple posts on this earlier. You can see how the delegates play out nd the amount Rubio or Cruz would need to take in order to win. 

March 15th is do or die...300 delegates in winner take all states FL, OH, IL , MO...if Trumpp wins 3 of 4 there, it's over.

 
bolzano said:
Rumors starting to circulate that Kasich thinks staying in gets him Trump veep pick by holding back others.

https://twitter.com/EWErickson/status/701427553857380352
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For a while its been obvious that Kasich likes Trump and is open to him as being a way to further his own advancement. I think Kasich has been wise to not make enemies with Trump. Donald will do whatever he needs to in order to be elected. 

Trump's VP will be Justin Bieber or Drake if it means the election swings his way...

 
SIDA! said:
As a Trump voter and huge fan of Kasich I think he would be a huge pick up for Donald. He has phenomenal budgeting/balanced budget credentials.  Second to none. 
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Kasich adds how many votes for Trump? I agree he might pick an establishment guy to appease them and gain votes but...don't overlook Ted Cruz as his VP, they were friendly early and it just has ended up where they all but have to exchange blows but all could be forgiven quick. Cruz supporters are loyal if nothing else. Most voting for Rubio are not year long die hards right now...Rubio is way in over his head. 

 
Galileo said:
Laura Ingraham is predicting a Trump-Rubio ticket.  Doesn't think Trump is stoppable given the circumstances...doesn't see Rubio as being able to win anywhere...and sees a Rubio addition to the ticket as a way to compromise and bring the party together.  
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It's too bad pundits see him as a young Obama, he's so far from it. Honestly Bush would be better and brings more funds to the game than Rubio can muster. Problem is the people have rejected him loudly. 

Mitt Romney is on stand by. Folks have riddled me on most predictions and i have been right a whole bunch, no need to rub it in but I am on record as Romney being in the cuts. he appeals to a lot of moderates. I know he doesn't love Trump but a chance to get in the White House and a lot of folks would be excited with that combo IMHO. Money policy would be no issue in this country, the absolute best running the ship on job creation. 

I know folks hate to hear it but most know the unemployment ain't no 5%. People are tired of scraping by even in a wealthy country, enough is enough. 

 
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Cruz and Rubio should be pouring their money into OH, FL, MO, and IL...the rest is all popcorn. They must must must walk out of there with 2 of the 4 states in winner take all or its over, that simple. 

 
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Ministry of Pain said:
For a while its been obvious that Kasich likes Trump and is open to him as being a way to further his own advancement. I think Kasich has been wise to not make enemies with Trump. Donald will do whatever he needs to in order to be elected. 

Trump's VP will be Justin Bieber or Drake if it means the election swings his way...
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Bieber and Drake are both Canadian.

 
Galileo said:
Laura Ingraham is predicting a Trump-Rubio ticket.  Doesn't think Trump is stoppable given the circumstances...doesn't see Rubio as being able to win anywhere...and sees a Rubio addition to the ticket as a way to compromise and bring the party together.  
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I've been thinking about this because they've gotten along pretty well. I figured Trump would be targeting Rubio pretty soon and I heard him from an interview today saying he's taking the day off today to enjoy and will make his opinion of Rubio known on Monday. Gather round boys!

 
Certainly nice to see Kasich sign the bill to cut funding for planned parenthood in Ohio.  Some poor women almost had access to early breast cancer exams.  That was close.

 
jamny said:
I've been thinking about this because they've gotten along pretty well. I figured Trump would be targeting Rubio pretty soon and I heard him from an interview today saying he's taking the day off today to enjoy and will make his opinion of Rubio known on Monday. Gather round boys!
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I can't see Mitt & his pac backing Rubio without assurances of this not happening

 
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