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Official 2016 Pittsburgh Steelers Thread (1 Viewer)

Godsbrother said:
At this point I don't see them breaking the bank on either a TE or QB.   They may sign a late cut but most likely after week 1 so the contract isn't guaranteed.

ETA:  If they sign a QB they'll almost certainly cut Grad which would result $885k additional cap space.  I'm not sure of the ramifications of cutting Green.
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I can't imagine they'll cut Green, he just may end up on PUP.  I don't think they'll break the bank at either position, but they may be looking to sign 2-3 players and just needed a little wiggle room to work with.

 
Evilgrin 72 said:
I can't imagine they'll cut Green, he just may end up on PUP.  I don't think they'll break the bank at either position, but they may be looking to sign 2-3 players and just needed a little wiggle room to work with.
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I don't think they'll cut Green either but it does remain a possibility.

 
Godsbrother said:
Yes I was just reading this.   My bet is DeCastro is extended by Monday.
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Could be but just as likely is they're creating space in case they need to add players in season due to injury. Anything is possible. I don't think it's to add a "splash" player at another position.

 
3C's said:
Could be but just as likely is they're creating space in case they need to add players in season due to injury. Anything is possible. I don't think it's to add a "splash" player at another position.
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That's what Bouchette was speculating but they have to lock up DeCastro now.

 
Godsbrother said:
That's what Bouchette was speculating but they have to lock up DeCastro now.
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I agree, but IMO, these restructures are being done to clear a little head room under the cap.  A DeCastro extension would serve the same purpose, so I think it's more likely that this is an indication that a deal ISN'T on the near horizon for DD.  I think it's more likely that either :

a) They're simply giving themselves some wiggle room

b) They're disenchanted with what they're going into the season with at QB, TE, and CB after the injuries to Gradkowski, Green's lingering issues, and the Golson injury and they want the flexibility to sign a couple vets after final cuts are made league-wide.

c) They plan to kick Antonio Brown some more $ to keep him happy until next offseason (although this would be more likely done as an advance and wouldn't necessarily require cap room.)

 
Starters looked fantastic. Landry Jones excellent in relief playing with the ones. Several perfect throws, no mistakes. Brown, Ben, and Bell in mid-season form already. Jesse James big improvement over this time last year. 

I loved what I saw. 1st team defense allowed 7 points to the Saints starters in the dome. Not bad. 

Hopefully Cam's ankle is minor. Hargrave is going to make some plays this year and is going to be a major contributor down the road. I liked that pick when they made it, I'm now beginning to love it. 

 
Evilgrin 72 said:
Also, Eli Rogers started and played the whole time Ben was in. Just saying. 
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Noticed the same thing. Could be nothing...could be he's #3. :popcorn:

Both Jones' had very good games. Jarvis looked really good in limited time. Landry looked good again, and I say again in reference to game 2. The int's aside, he's looks comfortable out there, has command of the offense, and throws a very nice ball. Hargrave looking really good.

 
Bayhawks said:
Assuming he IS the slot/#3 WR, what are reasonable expectations/projections for him?

Very curious, as he is going very late/undrafted.
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I'll leave that to someone else since I don't do FF any longer. One thing to be sure of though, it's AB then everyone else. The #3 WR could end up a distant 5th in stats after AB, Bell (with an assist from Deangelo), TE, Wheaton (if he were to be the 2nd best WR in stats).

 
3C's said:
I'll leave that to someone else since I don't do FF any longer. One thing to be sure of though, it's AB then everyone else. The #3 WR could end up a distant 5th in stats after AB, Bell (with an assist from Deangelo), TE, Wheaton (if he were to be the 2nd best WR in stats).
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No doubt, but with the TE position unclear, and Wheaton being unproven, he could be as high as option 3.

That being said, as a last round pick, if he is going to have a shot at 4-6 catches/week, he'll be good value, especially in PPR.

 
It feels odd that I seem to have fallen into the role of Landry Jones defender here since I don't even like him all that much, but where are all the posters calling for his head last week?  He went 19-22 in the Saints game playing longer with the 1s and 2s than usual.  His three incompletions were : one intentional throw-away, one drop, and one batted down at the line.  He was virtually flawless in this game.

Ups and downs with this cat, no doubt about it.  But if you're going to pillory him in the town square for a bad performance, you have to also commend him when he plays like this.  I don't see any way that Mark Sanchez, EJ Manuel, Tim Tebow, Bryce Petty or anyone else that could theoretically be signed between now and 9/12 is going to give us a better chance to win games if Roethlisberger gets hurt again.

 
Evilgrin 72 said:
It feels odd that I seem to have fallen into the role of Landry Jones defender here since I don't even like him all that much, but where are all the posters calling for his head last week?  He went 19-22 in the Saints game playing longer with the 1s and 2s than usual.  His three incompletions were : one intentional throw-away, one drop, and one batted down at the line.  He was virtually flawless in this game.

Ups and downs with this cat, no doubt about it.  But if you're going to pillory him in the town square for a bad performance, you have to also commend him when he plays like this.  I don't see any way that Mark Sanchez, EJ Manuel, Tim Tebow, Bryce Petty or anyone else that could theoretically be signed between now and 9/12 is going to give us a better chance to win games if Roethlisberger gets hurt again.
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Ive been calling for his head for 3 years.  Nice that he has the rare spark, but christ he is awful. Hope they scour the wire for another option.

*and it doesnt remotely overcome a guy throwing 4 picks in one half of football.

 
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BigSteelThrill said:
Ive been calling for his head for 3 years.  Nice that he has the rare spark, but christ he is awful. Hope they scour the wire for another option.

*and it doesnt remotely overcome a guy throwing 4 picks in one half of football.
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I don't think the 4 picks were all his fault, especially the last one where his arm was hit as he was throwing.   However I do think Laundry has a tendency to force teh football to receivers that aren't open.  last week that worked out well, the previous not so much.   I think that inconsistency is what we saw last year and this year.   

I do agree with EG that Mark Sanchez, EJ Manuel, etc. aren't much of an upgrade, if any.   At this point I think you have to stick with Jones as your backup and I'm okay with that.

 
The Pittsburgh Steelers have already trimmed their roster from 90 to 79 players, but it hasn't stopped them from keeping an eye on the players who are currently available. According to reports, one of those players is former Buffalo Bills running back Karlos Williams, brother of Steelers ILB Vince Williams.

Capaccio, a beat writer for the Bills, stated the Steelers continue to show interest in Karlos Williams, and I doubt it would be a stretch to imagine Vince pulling some strings for his brother to become a part of what could be a very special group in 2016. Nonetheless, Karlos is suspended the first four games of the 2016 season due to a DUI and violation of the league's Substance Abuse Program.

What is even more head scratching in this scenario is the Steelers reported need for a running back. Le'Veon Bell is the entrenched starter, with DeAngelo Williams fully capable as the primary backup, and starter throughout Bell's three-game suspension. However, the team seems to have two capable players currently on their roster who could fill out the depth chart, Fitzgerald Toussaint and Daryl Richardson.

Both players have played well in the preseason, but these reports of the Steelers' interest in Williams could show their lack of faith in any running back not named Bell or Williams.

In 2015, as a rookie, Williams rushed for 517 yards on 93 attempts in 11 games, all while scoring 7 touchdowns. Williams is a bigger back, 6-feet 1-inches and 229-pounds, but has had questions surrounding his conditioning after his tenure in Buffalo came to a close.

If the Steelers decide to sign Williams, it would be more than just a reuniting with his biological brother, it would equate to the end of the road for either Toussaint or Richardson.
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Not sure I like this -- we seem to be set at RB already.   Karlos is fat and has baggage the Steelers don't need.

 
bananafish said:
I agree, plus he spells his name wrong. Unless they don't plan on re-signing Le'Veon or want some leverage?
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I can't see Karlos being much help in negotiations with Le'Veon.    IMO the only real leverage they have with Le'Veon is the threat of a franchise tag.

I guess if you think Karlos is starter material his price will never be cheaper but I'm not a fan.

 
Okay Steeler experts.  Who do we draft?  Coates, Wheaton, or other?  It seems like Wheaton to me, even though it seems as if the organization would prefer not Wheaton.

 
d1234 said:
Okay Steeler experts.  Who do we draft?  Coates, Wheaton, or other?  It seems like Wheaton to me, even though it seems as if the organization would prefer not Wheaton.
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It's really a tough call.   Wheaton will be the #2 guy but it looks like Rogers won the job as slot receiver and will be in for a lot of snaps.  Coates is the wildcard and potential home run hitter.

If it were me I would probably go Wheaton, Rogers and then Coates, based on their likely ADP.

 
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Godsbrother said:
It's really a tough call.   Wheaton will be the #2 guy but it looks like Rogers won the job as slot receiver and will be in for a lot of snaps.  Coates is the wildcard and potential home run hitter.

If it were me I would probably go Wheaton, Rogers and then Coates, based on their likely ADP.
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Thanks for the opinion.  I will keep Rogers in my mind for the late rounds.

 
d1234 said:
Okay Steeler experts.  Who do we draft?  Coates, Wheaton, or other?  It seems like Wheaton to me, even though it seems as if the organization would prefer not Wheaton.
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Wheaton is going to be the #2 guy, there's little doubt about that.  He's going to be on the field more than anyone not named Brown.

Even with that, I don't see him as much more than a flex guy.  When your top 2 guys are the presumptive #1-2 guys in fantasy (pre-suspension that is) there's simply not going to be much left to go around.  What there is left is going to be divided between Wheaton, Coates, Rogers, James, Green, etc.  I don't see any of those guys as being worth more than a late round flyer.  Wheaton would be the one I'd draft first as I don't see Coates becoming Martavis II, I think Rogers is going to get a ton of time in the slot and Coates will cycle in there and outside to give Wheaton a breather.  If you draft Wheaton in the mid-late rounds, expect to get the occasional lightning bolt game where they roll the defenses so hard to other targets that Ben looks his way a lot, but likewise, expect 3-4 catches for 50 yards most games.

 
Evilgrin 72 said:
Wheaton is going to be the #2 guy, there's little doubt about that.  He's going to be on the field more than anyone not named Brown.

Even with that, I don't see him as much more than a flex guy.  When your top 2 guys are the presumptive #1-2 guys in fantasy (pre-suspension that is) there's simply not going to be much left to go around.  What there is left is going to be divided between Wheaton, Coates, Rogers, James, Green, etc.  I don't see any of those guys as being worth more than a late round flyer.  Wheaton would be the one I'd draft first as I don't see Coates becoming Martavis II, I think Rogers is going to get a ton of time in the slot and Coates will cycle in there and outside to give Wheaton a breather.  If you draft Wheaton in the mid-late rounds, expect to get the occasional lightning bolt game where they roll the defenses so hard to other targets that Ben looks his way a lot, but likewise, expect 3-4 catches for 50 yards most games.
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Ok.  So it sounds like you can see him doing what he did last year.  750 and 5.  That has value.  Not necessarily a lot, but I would take wheaton before say, Nelson Agholor and others of his ilk. Hell, Garcon was only 770and 6 last year and people seem ok with drafting him.

 
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I took Rogers in the last round. I think for a last round pick, you've got everything to gain. He has a few things going for him:

- He just seems to have worked his way into the lineup to the point where the coaches can't ignore him. Last year, he got hurt and was trying to make a team that was stacked at WR, so he was kind of forgotten.

- As the probable slot guy, he might get some Heath targets assuming Jesse James doesn't come near Heath's level of production.

Now, Wheaton showed a lot of progress towards the end of last season. I remember the team thread last year when we all just kind of noticed, at the same time, that Wheaton was suddenly kind of good. However, it's hard to nail down where he should be drafted. For that reason alone, I liked taking Rogers with no risk instead. if Wheaton plateaus and doesn't handle the outside well, Ben may be looking to Rogers often whenever AB can't break a double team.

 
Evilgrin 72 said:
  What there is left is going to be divided between Wheaton, Coates, Rogers, James, Green
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I've kind of written off Green this year. Premature?

ETA: yeah, I'm seeing conflicting info on the headaches thing...

 
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Plorfu said:
I've kind of written off Green this year. Premature?
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There's just no way to know.  Until they put him on IR/PUP, you have to assume he's going to be on the field at some point.  If it's his ankle, as he and the team claim, and not concussions, he should theoretically be active not too long into the season.  You have to assume they'll throw him the ball if he is.  There's just so much speculation surrounding him at this point and very little in the way of facts.  I would be equally unfazed if he was to catch 50 balls this year and if he didn't play a single down.

 
Magic_Man said:
So Coates is not going to have any value? :(
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Too early to make the call.   He will be given the opportunity to be the downfield threat and it really depends on what he does with it.   He looked unfocused in the first preseason game but has looked better in the second and third games.  Last week he caught 2 passes for 66 yards, the second being a 58 TD catch.

If he can win Ben's confidence the sky is the limit.  If he develops a case of the dropsies or fumbles like he did in the first preseason game then he likely won't be worth owning, especially in a redraft league.

 
Godsbrother said:
Too early to make the call.   He will be given the opportunity to be the downfield threat and it really depends on what he does with it.   He looked unfocused in the first preseason game but has looked better in the second and third games.  Last week he caught 2 passes for 66 yards, the second being a 58 TD catch.

If he can win Ben's confidence the sky is the limit.  If he develops a case of the dropsies or fumbles like he did in the first preseason game then he likely won't be worth owning, especially in a redraft league.
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I wish that 58 yd TD was with Ben, though. Time will tell I guess.

 
3C's said:
Noticed the same thing. Could be nothing...could be he's #3. :popcorn:

Both Jones' had very good games. Jarvis looked really good in limited time. Landry looked good again, and I say again in reference to game 2. The int's aside, he's looks comfortable out there, has command of the offense, and throws a very nice ball. Hargrave looking really good.
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Evilgrin 72 said:
It feels odd that I seem to have fallen into the role of Landry Jones defender here since I don't even like him all that much, but where are all the posters calling for his head last week?  He went 19-22 in the Saints game playing longer with the 1s and 2s than usual.  His three incompletions were : one intentional throw-away, one drop, and one batted down at the line.  He was virtually flawless in this game.

Ups and downs with this cat, no doubt about it.  But if you're going to pillory him in the town square for a bad performance, you have to also commend him when he plays like this.  I don't see any way that Mark Sanchez, EJ Manuel, Tim Tebow, Bryce Petty or anyone else that could theoretically be signed between now and 9/12 is going to give us a better chance to win games if Roethlisberger gets hurt again.
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I was going to be a "defender" after game 2 but just didn't have it in me to go round with people about it.

 
Wheaton/Rogers/Coates. My take: last year Wheaton was playing the slot. If preseason game 3 was any indication, Rogers will be the slot which frees Wheaton up to play the outside. If he remains on the outside he could have a really good year.

 
AB got a new deal. :pickle:

Too soon on the pickle. Not an extension but they gave him more money this year. It seems.

 
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3C's said:
Wheaton/Rogers/Coates. My take: last year Wheaton was playing the slot. If preseason game 3 was any indication, Rogers will be the slot which frees Wheaton up to play the outside. If he remains on the outside he could have a really good year.
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Wheaton requested the Steelers let him play more outside receiver last year.  Hopefully it's because he feels more comfortable out there, and it will show in his stats/success this year.

Godsbrother said:
Too early to make the call.   He will be given the opportunity to be the downfield threat and it really depends on what he does with it.   He looked unfocused in the first preseason game but has looked better in the second and third games.  Last week he caught 2 passes for 66 yards, the second being a 58 TD catch.

If he can win Ben's confidence the sky is the limit.  If he develops a case of the dropsies or fumbles like he did in the first preseason game then he likely won't be worth owning, especially in a redraft league.
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Agreed.  But not only does he need to catch the ball, but he needs to run his patterns correctly and make his reads.  Coates still seem sloppy out there, whereas Rogers looks silky-smooth, at home in the slot, and comfortable finding room across the middle.  :wub:    

I want Coates to succeed, but right now he seems to lack the ability to take the top off the defense, or to run a crisp route and get open when we need it.  Until he improves at one of those skills, I think he's stays our WR4.

 
Evilgrin 72 said:
Restructured.  The mega-deal is coming next offseason.

Dulac reporting that a DeCastro extension is close.
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Woo Hoo.   Doing right by AB and locking up DeCastro  :thumbup:

On an unrelated note they're saying that both Jesse James and Xavier Grimble are going to get a lot of action in the 4th preseason game against the Panthers.   I am praying to Sweet Baby Jesus and Sweet Baby Ray that neither one gets hurt.  The Steelers can't afford any more losses at TE.

 
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