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***Official 2016 Presidential Race Thread*** Debate #3 TONIGHT! (1 Viewer)
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that even he can't recover from..
The Commish
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Are we actually passed the fear mongering aspect of this whole fiasco? My mind tells me that's not possible...it's what our politicians do, but my heart dares to dream!!!! I'd like to thank Donald Trump for running such a spectacularly terrible campaign and coming unhinged so quickly. That's the silver lining, but the reality is Hillary, so there's that.
PlasmaDogPlasma
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Trump or no Trump, I'm amazed at just how blue Virginia has gotten in presidential elections. Hillary is already pulling her ads there because she doesn't need them.
The Commish
Footballguy
Been watching this from a distance and it's really spectacular how bad Trump is at politics. I think there's a legit chance he will just quit. I am amazed how deeply we've buried the bar of qualification for our politicians. I'm a little embarrassed.
PlasmaDogPlasma
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Ministry of Pain
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The Commish
Footballguy
Wish I could share in your optimism, but it's tough to watch all these fringe goobers and believe this.
PlasmaDogPlasma
Footballguy
Many of you have probably seen this, but this is a neat little tool from 538:
http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-swing-the-election/
http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-swing-the-election/
NCCommish
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So Tim should be rooting for Johnson. Right now there are at least 7 states where Johnson percentage of the vote is higher than Hillary's lead. And at this point Johnson seems to be getting mostly GOP defectors. Meaning he is a big part of the reason Hilary leads in those states.
The Commish
Footballguy
I was going to bump the Bernie thread, but this one appeared on the first page, so I got lazy. Can we go back and remember how people said Bernie was unelectable because he hadn't been "vetted" yet? How they said Trump would chew him up and spit him out and destroy him with the "socialist" and "old" shtick? I'm not sure there've been more wrong sentiments on this board ever 
As was said before, Trump doesn't/didn't have the ability to do those things. I think we can all agree on that now, right?
A HUGE opportunity lost by the electorate of this country and lost all in the name of fear <_<
As was said before, Trump doesn't/didn't have the ability to do those things. I think we can all agree on that now, right?A HUGE opportunity lost by the electorate of this country and lost all in the name of fear <_<
The Commish
Footballguy
Can we talk about the economic plans of each candidate please? Is it just me or are these plans in the same vein as those when manufacturing was big here in the US? Every commercial or comment I see seems to be a nod back to the 50s and 60s as if what we need now is what we needed then. Do they understand times have changed and what we need to be talking about is how to get people back in the workforce and how to make wages less stagnate when they do get back in the work force? Seems like this "middle class manufacturing jobs" shtick has jumped the shark just a little bit. I don't need a plan for what you'd have done 50 years ago, I need a plan for what you're going to do in 2017 and beyond.....TIA
SaintsInDome2006
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I don't think Trump has an actual economic plan.
And while Hillary's plan has lots of noises about restoring manufacturing glory her policies will likely be driven by the Podesta Group and like minded international trade interests. I don't believe for a minute that Hillary will halt the TPP. I also don't think penalties are the way to keep manufacturing from being exported. My guess is the Clintons fall back on their pro Wall Street policies from the 90s but I don't expect wages to increase. This really isn't a goal of the Clintons IMO. Ideally lowering unemployment will be but Hillary doesn't really seem to focus on that.
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The Commish
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I've paid little attention to Trump, so I'll take your word for it as it pertains to him
Agree all around on Hillary. Do people really believe her proposals will be net helpful to individuals or are we at the point where "not Trump" is enough and it doesn't matter if throwing kittens in a fire is part of her platform?
The Commish
Footballguy
No one seems to be talking about how Trump figured out that it was probably best to visit Louisiana before both Obama and Hillary....what the hell is going on in this country when Trump is able to lead as a positive example? Seriously, WTF!!!!!
cstu
Footballguy
Yes.I've paid little attention to Trump, so I'll take your word for it as it pertains to him
Agree all around on Hillary. Do people really believe her proposals will be net helpful to individuals or are we at the point where "not Trump" is enough and it doesn't matter if throwing kittens in a fire is part of her platform?
The Commish
Footballguy
Yikes....fair enough. This brings up a question I've been thinking about for a while though. Given the media is what it is, how's the best way to properly educate our electorate going forward?Yes.I've paid little attention to Trump, so I'll take your word for it as it pertains to him
Agree all around on Hillary. Do people really believe her proposals will be net helpful to individuals or are we at the point where "not Trump" is enough and it doesn't matter if throwing kittens in a fire is part of her platform?
The Commish
Footballguy
So, the hacking of the DNC servers is neat and all, but have we really learned anything new? I love how all the "conservative" media outlets are 
over this as if the exact same thing isn't true for their side of the establishment. With a few exceptions here in the FFA, is there anyone out there that really believed money didn't drive politics and that "pay for play" wasn't the standard in 99% of what goes down in Washington DC? 
over this as if the exact same thing isn't true for their side of the establishment. With a few exceptions here in the FFA, is there anyone out there that really believed money didn't drive politics and that "pay for play" wasn't the standard in 99% of what goes down in Washington DC?
cstu
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The Commish
Footballguy
I know...but that's where we are isn't it? There's a reason I haven't posted these sorts of questions in the threads. Yeah, I like to watch and 
some of the insane mental gymnastics in those threads, but there is little substantive debate in there. I figured I'd ask the question here in hopes that we might begin the discussion. Doesn't seem to be going too well. Much easier to be all trying to "win" arguments on things that don't really matter.
The Commish
Footballguy
Debates begin in a couple weeks, but a buddy and I were talking yesterday and wondering....how accurate is the polling at this point? How honest are people being for voting for Trump? It got me thinking. Who in their right mind would consider admitting they were voting for Trump?
El Floppo
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knee-jerk republicans are always going to vote for their candidate. same for knee-jerk democrats.
we have a lot of knee-jerks in this country.
snogger
Footballguy
National polls are a complete crap shoot on who they call, and who actually answers the survey..
99.99999% of the time our family answers and hangs up immediately when they start talking to get off the Robocall list.
I recall reading an article early this year that they get less then 1% of people they call to answer..
Also, the Robocalls only go to Landlines, thus missing a lot of people who only use their cell phones.
Looking over the Electrol College Map's are your best bet, and right now Trump would have to almost run the table on all "Battle Ground" states.
In contrast to Hillary who, based on the current map, only needs to pickup a couple of the "Battle Ground" States to get to 270.
99.99999% of the time our family answers and hangs up immediately when they start talking to get off the Robocall list.
I recall reading an article early this year that they get less then 1% of people they call to answer..
Also, the Robocalls only go to Landlines, thus missing a lot of people who only use their cell phones.
Looking over the Electrol College Map's are your best bet, and right now Trump would have to almost run the table on all "Battle Ground" states.
In contrast to Hillary who, based on the current map, only needs to pickup a couple of the "Battle Ground" States to get to 270.
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The General
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El Floppo
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if you had told me last election that Clinton was going to be the candidate- given the hate for her (right or wrong I would've figured it to be a slam dunk for whatever Republican they trotted out.
Not saying she's the political equivalent of Trump by any means... but not exactly the shining paradigm I'd expect out of a presidential hopeful.
The Commish
Footballguy
And this is pretty much, in a nutshell, what I talk about all the time in these threads with respect to our continued lowering of the bar. Just doesn't make sense to me
The Commish
Footballguy
Beat me to it......We can't make this #### up if we wanted to. Never in a million years could I come up with a story as unbelievable as the reality we are witnessing.
The Commish
Footballguy
Why aren't they (the candidates) or the media not talking more about what's going on in North Dakota? Seems like a prime opportunity for one of these clowns to show their ability to lead if they are so inclined, yet, nothing.
The Commish
Footballguy
The new survey also finds that, no matter who wins on Nov. 8, few voters anticipate feeling excited about the outcome. Just 11% of all registered voters say they would be excited if Trump won, 26% say they would be relieved, while a majority says they would be disappointed (34%) or angry (25%).
Just 12% overall would be excited if Clinton wins, while 36% would be relieved; nearly half would be disappointed (29%) or angry (20%).
Far more Clinton and Trump supporters say they would feel relieved than excited if their candidate wins. Just a quarter of Clinton supporters (25%) and a similar share of Trump backers (28%) say they would be excited if their candidate were to win.
Just 12% overall would be excited if Clinton wins, while 36% would be relieved; nearly half would be disappointed (29%) or angry (20%).
Far more Clinton and Trump supporters say they would feel relieved than excited if their candidate wins. Just a quarter of Clinton supporters (25%) and a similar share of Trump backers (28%) say they would be excited if their candidate were to win.
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The Commish
Footballguy
http://www.people-press.org/2016/09/21/in-their-own-words-why-voters-support-and-have-concerns-about-clinton-and-trump/
A third of Trump's support is based on the fact that he's not Clinton....one third. 32% of Hillary's support is based on the fact she isn't Trump. :smh:
A third of Trump's support is based on the fact that he's not Clinton....one third. 32% of Hillary's support is based on the fact she isn't Trump. :smh:
The Commish
Footballguy
The only acceptable opening to this goat rodeo is if the moderator's first words are "Live from New York, It's Saturday Night!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
NCCommish
Footballguy
Well it looks like Hillary won this one. By a large margin. Pretty much anyway you slice it. Trump had a good few minutes early but by the end he was being dominated and you could see on his face. I don't know how much it changes the overall dynamic of the race though. These are the two most disliked candidates ever and one debate isn't really going to change that. But maybe it convinces a few more people to hold their nose and vote for Hillary as she seemed to be the only one even remotely prepared and at all executive.
The General
Footballguy
It would probably be pretty close to those percentages regardless of who the nominee was. Those people vote for the party.
NCCommish
Footballguy
Right there is a percentage of the population that would vote for a syphilitic,mentally challenged goat if it had the right letter behind it's name.
The General
Footballguy
El Floppo
Footballguy
We were watching the post-debate coverage on MSNBC and they went to a reporter onsite at some location in Ohio. By show of hands, they had 4 people who were planning to vote for Trump before the debate and 3 who were voting for Clinton. None said the debate changed their minds.
The reporter asked one woman who was voting for Trump what she thought. She said "I'm voting for the conservative party, and if this is the jackass running the show, so be it" or something close to that. There wasn't the same quote from a Clinton voter but I'm sure it wouldn't be hard to find one.
NCCommish
Footballguy
El Floppo
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The Commish
Footballguy
Unfortunately, this is where we're at as a country. My favorite part of this whole thing is Hillary's ear to ear smile today....I think she really believes she accomplished something unattainable last night with a win vs Trump.....sad state of affairs.
NCCommish
Footballguy
My dislike for Hillary is well documented. But she has a right to be happy. The difference in expectations was so wildly different for the candidates and she still came out on top. If she had sighed or smirked or interrupted Trump 51 times she would have been in big trouble. She had to walk a fine line and did so. Credit where it's due my friend.
The Commish
Footballguy
Oh, I give her credit for winning....it's in direct proportion to the task at hand. Reality is, she didn't have to say a word last night as evidence of exactly zero new information from her on any of her plans that we didn't already know.
NCCommish
Footballguy
You have to remember though we aren't the general population. For a lot of people this might be the first time they heard any of that. Low information voters totally outnumber folks who know what is what.
The Commish
Footballguy
Our current President has a pretty good dose of himself bottled up it seems. Apparently HIS legacy is on the line with this election. He's even telling Americans if they are voting for anyone but Clinton they are voting for Trump :smh:
NCCommish
Footballguy
Well with Jeb out the donor class wants to make sure it gets at least one of it's bought and controllable candidates in.
The Commish
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NCCommish
Footballguy
I don't recall Reagan doing much but then he was dealing with Alzheimer's as we now know. Gore pushed Clinton away. Gore was still pissed that Bill lied to him and made him look like an idiot for repeating those lies. W stayed away because he was toxic.Carter has never really campaigned for anyone. Certainly not Nixon. Maybe Ford? But my memory could be off on that. You'd have to do some research to see for sure.
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