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*Official 2017 Super Bowl Champion Philadelphia Eagles* - Parade of Champions Down Broad Street! (3 Viewers)

I just read a report saying we don't have interest in Jamaal Charles.  Not sure I believe that.  Not that my expectations would be very high, but his familiarity with pederson and the offense and need of a RB make me wonder if he ends up here.

 
Seems like the media consensus is a great draft for us and the city did a great job hosting, big win all around. 

 
So - are we going to see a Jordan Mathews trade any day now?  I gotta think they're moving on now with a bunch of younger, faster options.  

 
GoBirds said:
Seems like the media consensus is a great draft for us and the city did a great job hosting, big win all around. 
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I've heard a bunch giving their contrarian opinion today. Saying we didn't come away from this draft with any starters. Barnett is Graham 2.0 ( my initial concern but after reading up on him I feel better), Sidney Jones will never play football and every one else is automatically a stiff compared to who they could have gotten. 

Also Dalvin Cook is Lesean McCoy and Adrian Peterson combined but better.  So sports radio in mid season form.

 
Heard the reports about Eagles possibly looking at Jamaal Charles, don't put much stock in them. Regardless of how well he may know Doug's system, he is old and injury prone and I cannot see them relying on him unless there are no other options available. What the Eagles should be doing is contacting the teams who significantly added to their RB depth chart this past weekend, and seeing if they have a veteran back they might be looking to part with now. Mark Ingram, Jeremy Hill, Jerick McKinnon, Carlos Hyde, Chris Ivory... any one of these players could potentially be available and I'd have varying degrees of interest in all of them. 

 
modogg said:
the bolded can't be emphasized enough. When you realize this, it does admittedly take some of the fun out of the draft, but it is kind of silly to think people who do this year round have a worse opinion then we do. Of course the failure of many picks makes it easy to overlook their experience, but I think we can give Douglas at least 1 year, should be 2, to show that he knows what he is looking for
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I don't think it's hard to argue or debate scouts have their biases too as well as coaches and GMs and such. Some scouts will overhype certain prospects as well. Some people will overhype guys in public to send wrong message to other teams so they don't know what they are doing. 

 
Long Ball Larry said:
Sidney Jones twitter bio: Philadelphia Eagles Cornerback | Trust the Process
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Good god no. Jones please change that. I don't know if he knows but it seems a lot of Sixers fans are getting sick with that saying. If 

 
Thunderlips said:
They weren't building their Super Bowl team solely on this year.  That being said, they might be able to make the playoffs this year.

Rb doesn't bother me.  

Smallwood fell in the draft last year over issues and he looked satisfactory at times when he was playing.

Sproles is Sproles for one more year.

Pumphrey will be given the chance to be Sproles and if he's up to the job, he'll make a nice complementary back to Smallwood or to whomever they draft next year or the year after. 
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The good thing for Pumphrey is the fact that he has a year to learn from Sproles as a similar player. 

 
The Noid said:
The Sidnies Jones pick seems to be very polarizing. But I don't think the Eagles have any blinders about it. They know it's high-risk, but also high-reward. Good to see them at least going in that direction, deliberately. 

My view: if the day before the draft, knowing we had no second-rounder in 2018, we got offered: our 2017 second-rounder straight up for a 2018 first-rounder that would be between 14-18, I think most would have jumped on it. 

That's essentially what this is. You get an extra first-round talent for next year. Yes, it's possible he doesn't come back 100%, but there's a level of risk taking someone like Quincy Wilson this year, instead, who just as easily could go down the first week of training camp like we have seen happen multiple times (or not pan out, talent-wise.) 
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The Bold i hate when people say this. It's a risk for any player this could happen too. Heck Wentz could easily go down tomorrow god for bid. Any pick is a risk no matter what. Honestly I didn't like Jones coming out as what I watched of Washington nothing really stood out to me and he never really seemed to get challenge. I was more impressed with King. Plus Jones Size concerns me considering he could get bullied by the Big WRs in our division and how his body could hold up. Jones seems more successful covering the DeSean Jackson's of the NFL. I mean I guess this is why they took Douglas a bigger guy and have Mills but given that Jones may miss all of next year with the fact I wasn't a big fan to begin with it's gonna take this guy for me actually playing really well for me to have this decision justified. I understand why people like it though I just have a difference of opinion on the guy. Either way the bolded you could say about any guy and considering my Florida biased I'd rather have Wilson who was a more physical WRs and wouldn't let these big boys in the NFC East bully him. I mean I hope the guy proves me wrong but if he doesn't then what happens? It's a huge risk IMHO drafting a guy who is already hurt. You just never know. 

 
need2know said:
I just read a report saying we don't have interest in Jamaal Charles.  Not sure I believe that.  Not that my expectations would be very high, but his familiarity with pederson and the offense and need of a RB make me wonder if he ends up here.
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Maybe Pederson knows more about Charles and some of the staff do of him more then we know. After all he was there when he first tore his ACL. I have a feeling if Pederson knew he could contribute still he'd have jumped on him already. Also you don't know what Charles and his agent might be asking for in terms of money and contract length as well as role on the team. 

 
Ted Lange as your Bartender said:
Sounds like Jamaal Charles is visiting Denver so if something happens it's probably going to be quick
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There's a report out there saying the Eagles tried to move up in the 2nd round for Cook but for whatever reason a trade up didn't come to fruition. Not much more is known on it though besides apparently they really liked McCaffery as well. 

 
Inky reporting just reported on Quick Slants Eagles won't pick up 5th round option on DE Marcus Smith making him an FA after the 2017 season

 
Thought I'd post some thoughts on the draft picks with Derek Barnett first.

Overall seems like a strong all rounder rather than being a pure pass rusher.  Game is based on strength, smarts and technique more than being a pure speed rusher.  I like this pick, Barnett was one of the guys I'd decided I'd be happy with before the draft.

  • Played RDE mostly with occasional plays on the left or inside.
  • Not a quick twitch, speed guy but still shows the ability to get inside shoulder upfield and then good waist bend to turn the corner.  
  • Showed a variety of pass rush moves, including decent inside counter  and an occasional spin move as well.  Uses hands well in combination with pass rush moves.
  • Sets a strong edge in the run game and shows the ability to turn an OT inside to keep outside leverage.  
  • Strong hands, good leverage and can disengage from blocker in run game, 
  • Smart, disciplined player.  Stays home when he's supposed to, gets his hands up in passing lanes, reacts quickly and mostly correctly vs. zone read, play action, draw plays etc.
  • Rushed regularly from 2pt stance, wide 9 alignment
  • Got a sack and FF v. Alabama despite being blatantly held when he beat Robinson (#34 overall to Jags) around the corner.  Alabama generally played away from Barnett's side of the field.
  • Hustles, chases plays from the backside and downfield.
  • Missed a couple of backfield tackles when penetrating inside, couldn't break down, change direction in time.
  • Dropped into coverage regularly, including what looked like man coverage on a slot WR downfield vs. A&M where he got a PBU.
 
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And now Sidney Jones, obviously all of these are pre injury

  • Incredibly quick feet, doesn't lose anything when he flips hips to turn and carry vertical routes, mirrors WR superbly downfield in man coverage.
  • Almost always lined up tight, but not strong in press.  Only just enough size at 6', 186.  Looks like a slightly built player.  vs USC Juju Smith-Schuster (#62 overall to Steelers) wasn't bothered by Jones trying to press and made an 18yd catch after knocking Jones off balance when he tried to get physical at the top of the stem.
  • Coverages were mostly either man trail where he turns his back to the QB and mirrors the WR staying on his inside hip or Cover 3, where he opened up and played outside leverage on WR and kept the QB in view.  Allowed very little separation.
  • Rarely challenged downfield, in 4 games I watched he was targeted so few times I really couldn't get a view on how he plays the ball in the air.
  • Reacts quickly to get in the play once the ball is released, actively tries to reach the ball carrier to assist on the tackle
  • Willing tackler in the run game with good technique, form tackles with good leg drive.
Overall I'm not sure how I feel about this pick, given the injury.  He does man coverage really well, but he's not a physical press CB and he probably won't play much this year.  They must like him a lot better than Quincy Wilson and Awuzie who went to the Cowboys.  I hope they're right.

 
Rasul Douglas

  • Plays a mix of zone and man, but much more effective in zone., Plays to his size in coverage, uses long arms and size both during the route and to contest the ball.  
  • Targets the ball when tackling
  • Footwork not clean in man, has recovery issues if he lets the cushion be eaten up too quickly, Centre of gravity is off & he's a bit upright in backpedal which affects transitions
  • Good awareness to ball in the air, reacts quickly to QB release, sometimes in position to make a play away from his own assignment
  • In some games seemed more willing than others to be physical when taking on RBs
ETA a couple more points:

  • Was targeted pre snap w/ go route calls a couple of times and not by NFL prospect QB/WR combos when in man coverage.
  • Inexperienced player, JUCO transfer who only started one season, so technique stuff is forgivable at this point.  
  • Showed some ability to pattern match in zone coverage and jump underneath routes.  Seemed more like awareness than gambling ie didn't see many mistakes, but small sample size to go off.
 
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So if you had to choose Agholor or DGB as final cut to WR group, who's your guy.

For me it's DGB. Not saying he will ever be a #1 or even #2 but I can see him productive in this offense.

Agholor has be open to make plays. Seems afraid of going over the middle.

 
jon007 said:
So if you had to choose Agholor or DGB as final cut to WR group, who's your guy.

For me it's DGB. Not saying he will ever be a #1 or even #2 but I can see him productive in this offense.

Agholor has be open to make plays. Seems afraid of going over the middle.
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So......cut Agholor? Because your question is stated one way yet you seem to answer another way.

 
I'd keep Agholar over DGB. One has all the physical talent but no IQ. The other knows all the routes and runs them well. Just has the yips. You can't fix stupid but maybe the yips can be cured.

 
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jon007 said:
So if you had to choose Agholor or DGB as final cut to WR group, who's your guy.

For me it's DGB. Not saying he will ever be a #1 or even #2 but I can see him productive in this offense.

Agholor has be open to make plays. Seems afraid of going over the middle.
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I think both have a hidden upside....

I'd stay with Agholar for one more year. Partly because I think that we've become somewhat spoiled with the idea that WRs are going to come in this league and dominate their first(or second) year out of college when traditionally* they've taken a little longer than other positions to excel and partly because I can't believe that they got it so wrong; that he's such "fools gold".

* I know the college game has changed and become pro oriented,...but I still think fans have been spoiled by these WR freaks that have come out in the past few years and have done great.

 
Ash said:
And now Sidney Jones, obviously all of these are pre injury

  • Incredibly quick feet, doesn't lose anything when he flips hips to turn and carry vertical routes, mirrors WR superbly downfield in man coverage.
  • Almost always lined up tight, but not strong in press.  Only just enough size at 6', 186.  Looks like a slightly built player.  vs USC Juju Smith-Schuster (#62 overall to Steelers) wasn't bothered by Jones trying to press and made an 18yd catch after knocking Jones off balance when he tried to get physical at the top of the stem.
  • Coverages were mostly either man trail where he turns his back to the QB and mirrors the WR staying on his inside hip or Cover 3, where he opened up and played outside leverage on WR and kept the QB in view.  Allowed very little separation.
  • Rarely challenged downfield, in 4 games I watched he was targeted so few times I really couldn't get a view on how he plays the ball in the air.
  • Reacts quickly to get in the play once the ball is released, actively tries to reach the ball carrier to assist on the tackle
  • Willing tackler in the run game with good technique, form tackles with good leg drive.
Overall I'm not sure how I feel about this pick, given the injury.  He does man coverage really well, but he's not a physical press CB and he probably won't play much this year.  They must like him a lot better than Quincy Wilson and Awuzie who went to the Cowboys.  I hope they're right.
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I hope they are right too because god for bid these two or other CBs who were on the board at that time become studs or just good players and he's either so so because of the injury or complete bust they won't hear the end of it for yrs. 

 
jon007 said:
So if you had to choose Agholor or DGB as final cut to WR group, who's your guy.

For me it's DGB. Not saying he will ever be a #1 or even #2 but I can see him productive in this offense.

Agholor has be open to make plays. Seems afraid of going over the middle.
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I'd take DGB. At this point Agholor may need a change of scenery and he's a Chip guy not a Howie/Joe/Doug guy. I could easily see them eating the money there and cutting him and excusing DGB as not having a full offseason with the team. I could also just as easily seeing both cut. 

 
So Adam Scheftar reported that Bills aren't picking up Sammy Watkins 5th year player option and hitting FA after this coming season. He could depending on cost be an option for the long haul IMHO and still fairly young. 

 
DJackson10 said:
So Adam Scheftar reported that Bills aren't picking up Sammy Watkins 5th year player option and hitting FA after this coming season. He could depending on cost be an option for the long haul IMHO and still fairly young. 
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Watkins and Jeffery would be Bananas

 
Pumpin' up Pumphrey

Someone posted it in the past page or two but even if his size might be a detriment to being an "every down back" this kid looks like he could be as explosive if not more so than Sproles.  It's great that he'll have a year of tutelage under Darren.  He is no North and South runner and severely needs to bulk up but he seems to have elite agility and is explosive at line of scrimmage.  I do think most NFL DBs and safeties may run him down but not too sure of that.  Can't wait to see what Mini-Sproles can do.

 
CentralPA said:
Pumpin' up Pumphrey

Someone posted it in the past page or two but even if his size might be a detriment to being an "every down back" this kid looks like he could be as explosive if not more so than Sproles.  It's great that he'll have a year of tutelage under Darren.  He is no North and South runner and severely needs to bulk up but he seems to have elite agility and is explosive at line of scrimmage.  I do think most NFL DBs and safeties may run him down but not too sure of that.  Can't wait to see what Mini-Sproles can do.
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I like Pumphrey to be used in 2 back sets, lined up on the outside similar to Bell.  Who do you cover with CB with Smith, Jeffery, Matthews, Ertz and Pumphrey all legit targets?  If we develop Smallwood to be an inside the tackles runner, read-option could be pretty devastating.

 
Dodd's has Wentz at #18 so far. I know it's early but I can't see the Eagles being much of a running offense.

I do see Wentz having his best year yet. More screens and misdirection plays.

Image Sproles and Pumphrey in the backfield and Wentz does a fake screen one way then throws back to another.

They already have that play and used it with Ertz.

I do agree that we will see Pumphrey a lot in the passing game.

Seems way to dynamic to keep him on the bench.

http://subscribers.footballguys.com/myfbg/myviewprojections.php?projector=2

On Dodd's stats I think his TD's are low. I'm more in the 28 to 32 range. 

McNabb had a great season where the screen was basically an extension of the run. 

 
jon007 said:
Dodd's has Wentz at #18 so far. I know it's early but I can't see the Eagles being much of a running offense.

I do see Wentz having his best year yet. More screens and misdirection plays.

Image Sproles and Pumphrey in the backfield and Wentz does a fake screen one way then throws back to another.

They already have that play and used it with Ertz.

I do agree that we will see Pumphrey a lot in the passing game.

Seems way to dynamic to keep him on the bench.

http://subscribers.footballguys.com/myfbg/myviewprojections.php?projector=2

On Dodd's stats I think his TD's are low. I'm more in the 28 to 32 range. 

McNabb had a great season where the screen was basically an extension of the run. 
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Not to get off topic but Cousins and Luck are rated way too high in those rankings.  I could see Cousins really regressing this year after losing Jackson etc.  Maybe looking at it through Midnight green glasses though.

Wentz' TD total does seem a bit low.  I think he could throw at least 30 with what he has to work with now.

 
JuniorNB said:
Blount is still out there too. Although I wouldn't want him. 
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I don't want Jennings, Blount I'd probably be OK with just for goal line carries.  I don't even think he is that great of a GL back but you take what you can get at this point.

 
There's slim Pickens out there now. Jennings is older than Blount. That's amazing. On name I'd see them taking a flyer on because it's classic Eagles trash picking is Khiry Robinson. Decent runner, good pass catcher. But his legs been broken so many times. Sounds like someone the Eagles bring into camp.

 
jon007 said:
Dodd's has Wentz at #18 so far. I know it's early but I can't see the Eagles being much of a running offense.

I do see Wentz having his best year yet. More screens and misdirection plays.

Image Sproles and Pumphrey in the backfield and Wentz does a fake screen one way then throws back to another.

They already have that play and used it with Ertz.

I do agree that we will see Pumphrey a lot in the passing game.

Seems way to dynamic to keep him on the bench.

http://subscribers.footballguys.com/myfbg/myviewprojections.php?projector=2

On Dodd's stats I think his TD's are low. I'm more in the 28 to 32 range. 

McNabb had a great season where the screen was basically an extension of the run. 
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So like... better than last year? :P

 
Was Smallwood really that bad last year?

I remember them playing the stupid RB carousel every game, randomly giving Sproles a ton of goal line touches. But I thought Wendell looked pretty good when he got the chance. Nothing special, but certainly not terrible.

 
Skoo said:
Was Smallwood really that bad last year?

I remember them playing the stupid RB carousel every game, randomly giving Sproles a ton of goal line touches. But I thought Wendell looked pretty good when he got the chance. Nothing special, but certainly not terrible.
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This is where I am.  I don't see a problem rolling with what they have now.

 
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