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***Official 2018 Baltimore Orioles Thread*** Pitching Can’t Get Any Worse (3 Viewers)

Too bad leaving runners on base wasn't a scoring category in baseball, otherwise the Orioles would be running away with this thing.

 
RaveOriole said:
Too bad leaving runners on base wasn't a scoring category in baseball, otherwise the Orioles would be running away with this thing.
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It's amazing how many hits and walks they had with so little scoring last night. Since their hitting with risp is so bad, it may be time to be more aggressive sending runners home. Gotta be a better chance of the throw being off the mark than one of these guys getting them in the next at bat.
 
Koya said:
This team is just not winning key games... last year it seemed we just found ways to win. This year, in spite of it feeling the opposite we are still in the playoff hunt, but it's not the same type of expectation going into each game.

That said, C Davis is on pace to go well past 50 HRs and 40 Doubles. Heck, he's on pace for 59 and 47... there are only two players EVER to have hit 50 HRs and 40 Doubles in a season. One was Babe Ruth, the other a former Oriole, though he was not an O' that season. Just crazy.
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Is this a trivia question?
 
avoiding injuries said:
Koya said:
This team is just not winning key games... last year it seemed we just found ways to win. This year, in spite of it feeling the opposite we are still in the playoff hunt, but it's not the same type of expectation going into each game.

That said, C Davis is on pace to go well past 50 HRs and 40 Doubles. Heck, he's on pace for 59 and 47... there are only two players EVER to have hit 50 HRs and 40 Doubles in a season. One was Babe Ruth, the other a former Oriole, though he was not an O' that season. Just crazy.
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Is this a trivia question?
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Nevermind. Big Al
 
Jim Johnson got up to warm in the bottom of the 8th when it looked like it was going to be a save situation. A call came into the bullpen telling JJ to take a seat.

 
Man, that was a tough one yesterday. Tillman threw his best game of the year.

I know it's a no-win for the manager, but I would've liked to have seen him keep it going.

That game remined me of so many 70s/early 80s Orioles games in how fast it went. Scotty MacGregor throwing about 80 pitches and getting 20 ground ball outs (many of them 1st pitch) - game time: 1 hour, 22 minutes. Took longer to drive there and back than the game lasted.

 
Big win today. Was talking to my brother yesterday and he said "the playoffs have already started". He's right - look at the schedule. The Orioles have control over their destiny (as do the Rays, Indians, As, etc..). I love it.

 
Two big series starting tomorrow, first at Boston and then at New York.

You're right about the playoffs already starting, so if the O's are going to get hot, now is the time.

 
I like this team, though they've been infuriating with their inability to score guys from third with less than two out. And then yesterday - boom - three sac flies. A lot of guys have been slumping, so it was nice to see McLouth, Manny, and Markakis all have big games. And Roberts is playing well - would love to see him play a role in taking a team to the playoffs for the first time in his career. Sucks that he and Markakis - the two bright spots in the last decade of shame - were injured for the playoffs last year.

I love Davis hitting third right now. I hope they keep him there, but maybe move Markakis up to 5th after Adam Jones, and maybe even put Hardy 6th ahead of Wieters. I'm starting to get comfortable with the idea of letting Wieters go in a couple of years, rather than pay him $18M, especially if they use that money to keep Davis.

As bad as Saturday's loss hurt, the pain was eased by the fact the Orioles were playing meaningful baseball on Aug. 25 for the 2nd season in a row after 14 years of futility.

 
The_Man said:
As bad as Saturday's loss hurt, the pain was eased by the fact the Orioles were playing meaningful baseball on Aug. 25 for the 2nd season in a row after 14 years of futility.
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Very good perspective here. It's not as if we've been talking all Ravens since June.

 
The_Man said:
I love Davis hitting third right now. I hope they keep him there, but maybe move Markakis up to 5th after Adam Jones, and maybe even put Hardy 6th ahead of Wieters. I'm starting to get comfortable with the idea of letting Wieters go in a couple of years, rather than pay him $18M, especially if they use that money to keep Davis.
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The got Kaks batting 5th tonight, but Weiters is still up in the 6th spot. Looks like Buck was on our forum here.

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They're still only 2 out of the WC with 30+ games left. The last week and a half hasn't been very encouraging, though.

 
Mike Morse should help against LHP and expanded rosters will help cover for his defensive deficiencies.

 
Can this team go on any kind of winning streak? Their hitting goes strangely silent these days, they have 5 #2/3 starters, and a shaky closer.

They're still well within striking-distance of the playoffs, but they seem to be better at stringer losses together rather than wins at this point.

In any case, nice win today and welcome to Baltimore Morse.

 
I don't know why I feel this almost-obsessive, paternalistic need to defend Adam Jones on anonymous message boards. Not here; some ##### who claimed to be an O's fan on one of the big sports MBs yesterday started with the "he's lazy" ####. It was during a lousy at-bat when he was swinging at balls in the dirt (next AB, he hit the ball a mile off of Joba).

I know his faults. I walk more to my kitchen each day than he'll walk in a season. He strikes out too much. He's not a great CF. He's also not a very natural baserunner.

The last thing he is is "lazy". The dude signed an $80 million contract - what? 2 years ago? - and is playing harder (if anything) than he did before. He took the mantle as "leader" when no other player seemed to be able to and it fits him like a glove.

I was watching him today during a pitching change. He was on 2nd & Davis was on 3rd. While the Cleveland guy was warming up, Jones was down at 3rd talking to Davis and the 3rd base coach; you could tell by his gestures that they were discussing what to do under certain circumstances.

Oh, and he plays every day. AND he's going to end up somewhere around .300/30/100.

As for today, Norris was fabulous. Get one for Tillman tomorrow and we'll see.

 
There's not a chance Jones is lazy, you can say what you want about the guy (especially swinging at balls in the dirt) but he plays hard. I love the fact the he runs out every grounder, and you can tell he's the leader on this team. So don't listen to that troll, he's probably the same guy who called for Troy Smith over Joe Flacco.

And I have to disagree with you on him not being a great CF ... I think he's an amazing CF. He's got a cannon for an arm, good instincts, and fast. I mean they don't give gold gloves to guys who are average.

As for Norris. I'm liking that deal more and more every day. Not feeling good about the Feldman one though.

 
RaveOriole said:
There's not a chance Jones is lazy, you can say what you want about the guy (especially swinging at balls in the dirt) but he plays hard. I love the fact the he runs out every grounder, and you can tell he's the leader on this team. So don't listen to that troll, he's probably the same guy who called for Troy Smith over Joe Flacco.

And I have to disagree with you on him not being a great CF ... I think he's an amazing CF. He's got a cannon for an arm, good instincts, and fast. I mean they don't give gold gloves to guys who are average.

As for Norris. I'm liking that deal more and more every day. Not feeling good about the Feldman one though.
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Adam Jones looks pretty bad when he can't lay off the low and away pitch, but the bottom line is he is hitting near .300 with 31 hrs and 101 rbis. That is a good season and he still has 2/3 of a month to go. He is having a very good offensive year.

 
Season is slipping away. A sweep over the Yankees would have been perfect, hey I would have even settled for a series win. Now the Orioles are just playing to tie the series. This is not the way you want your team heading into the playoffs, that's even if they can get to the playoffs.

 
I'm too lazy to look up their record in one-run games this year vs last, but it's a cosmic balancing. Oddly enough, that makes me feel better and reinforces that they're pretty good. They're NOT getting every break and are in the thick of a fantastic playoff race.

 
A big thank you to Texas and Tampa for screwing the pooch and keeping Baltimore in this thing.

Needless to say some big series coming up. 2 against Tampa, 1 against Toronto, and 2 against Boston. I thought for sure the O's were screwed after dropping 3 of 4 to the Yanks, but they are still in it thankfully. They need to take all these series, so if there's a time the Orioles were ever going to get hot, it better be now.

 
The_Man said:
Kind of think the season ended last night. Hope I'm wrong, but ....
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Wow, what a rollercoaster. I'm happy to say that I've gotten my mind right over the last week, even with the horrible Yankee series. I've been enjoying the games with the same mindset I had during the Ravens' late-season run last year -- that no matter how it ends up, it's fun as hell to watch and that I should celebrate the team's successes, rather than focus on and lament its shortcomings.

How awesome is it to be in a pennant race, staying up late and watching the out-of-town scoreboard, for the second year in a row? It really hit me last night that this season is memories in the making. 20 years from now, I'll be thinking about the guy Vallencia who came out of nowhere and for one enchanted September carried the O's on his back, before disappearing into obscurity again. About Gausman, whose long and stellar career as an ace starting pitcher (I hope) was ignited by the dominance he flashed as rookie reliever during the playoff drive. About Crush Davis, and his best-ever season when he hit 55 home runs. About Brian Roberts after such long and distinguished service in losing causes finally had a chance to compete for the post-season.

Good, good stuff, no matter how it ends. And I have to admit that I think they'll do well to split in Tampa - and that probably won't be good enough to keep them afloat. But who knows? Already looking forward to tonight's game and Tillman going for a sweep in Fenway.

 
A pretty bad week for the Orioles turned into one of the worst weeks I can remember in 35 years of being a fan. Pretty much the worst thing that could possibly have happened.

I feel so bad for the kid. It is a joy to watch him play. I hope he can become himself again, I don't care if it's not until 2015. I never saw anyone play 3B on a day-in and day-out basis like he did this year. It was like the baseball equivalent of forcing turnovers, converting opposing basehits into outs.

"Plays like ARod, acts like Jeter" is how I once heard him described. Pretty good description.

 
Manny Machado will be sidelined for the next 6-8 weeks after being diagnosed with a torn medial patellar ligament in his left knee.
All things considered, it's great news, as Machado's ACL and MCL are intact. He'll be allowed to resume light running in 6-8 weeks and is expected to be fine for spring training. Machado's 2013 campaign ends on a sour note, but the 21-year-old still put up a solid .283/.314/.432 batting line with 14 homers, 71 RBI and 51 doubles.

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Limp Ditka said:
Manny Machado will be sidelined for the next 6-8 weeks after being diagnosed with a torn medial patellar ligament in his left knee.
All things considered, it's great news, as Machado's ACL and MCL are intact. He'll be allowed to resume light running in 6-8 weeks and is expected to be fine for spring training. Machado's 2013 campaign ends on a sour note, but the 21-year-old still put up a solid .283/.314/.432 batting line with 14 homers, 71 RBI and 51 doubles.

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Awesome news, considering how bad everyone thought it would be! :thumbup:

 
fasteddie_21 said:
Limp Ditka said:
Manny Machado will be sidelined for the next 6-8 weeks after being diagnosed with a torn medial patellar ligament in his left knee.
All things considered, it's great news, as Machado's ACL and MCL are intact. He'll be allowed to resume light running in 6-8 weeks and is expected to be fine for spring training. Machado's 2013 campaign ends on a sour note, but the 21-year-old still put up a solid .283/.314/.432 batting line with 14 homers, 71 RBI and 51 doubles.

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Awesome news, considering how bad everyone thought it would be! :thumbup:
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Amen. As an O's and Mets fan, this is FAR better than where the Mets are with Harvey.

All in all it was a good season. Things never seemed to really click, but we were competitive all along and never really out of it until the very end. Good to build from. But god, we need pitching.

Next year you have to assume that Crush regresses into the 30's with HRs, so we need to replace that lost magic. Hopefully Manny Ma can help to some degree on that front.

 
Koya said:
fasteddie_21 said:
Limp Ditka said:
Manny Machado will be sidelined for the next 6-8 weeks after being diagnosed with a torn medial patellar ligament in his left knee.
All things considered, it's great news, as Machado's ACL and MCL are intact. He'll be allowed to resume light running in 6-8 weeks and is expected to be fine for spring training. Machado's 2013 campaign ends on a sour note, but the 21-year-old still put up a solid .283/.314/.432 batting line with 14 homers, 71 RBI and 51 doubles.

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Awesome news, considering how bad everyone thought it would be! :thumbup:
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Amen. As an O's and Mets fan, this is FAR better than where the Mets are with Harvey.

All in all it was a good season. Things never seemed to really click, but we were competitive all along and never really out of it until the very end. Good to build from. But god, we need pitching.

Next year you have to assume that Crush regresses into the 30's with HRs, so we need to replace that lost magic. Hopefully Manny Ma can help to some degree on that front.
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That was the worst thing about this season - feeling like the Orioles wasted career years from Chris Davis and Adam Jones. Those guys will be good again, but this good?

I might be crazy, but I would kind of like to see Roberts back next year. I feel like if anyone would ever take a hometown discount, it's him. Holy Lord, can we please, please get a legit bat to put at DH. I don't even need him to play LF, I just need him to be a real #5 or 6 hitter, so we can move Wieters and Hardy down the line-up a little. I also hope Markakis isn't on a swift and inevitable decline. Guy should have some baseball left in him, but I don't know.

Looks like Tillman is the #1 pitcher now. I like the guy a lot, but he's really a #2 or 3. But in Baltimore, he's it. Then I guess that Gonzalez and Chen are locks for the rotation. After that? Bud Norris and Kevin Gausman look to be early leaders, but there will be lots of competition. I think Gausman is going to be a star and a realistic #3 or 4 as soon as next year, but who knows? Other guys to throw in the mix: Britton, Matusz, Steve Johnson. Too early for Harvey - maybe he starts at High-A and goes quickly to Bowie - and who knows when or if Bundy will be back.

In a dream world, they'd open up the wallet for a DH and a top of the line starting pitcher. In reality, they'll sign some more retreads and scour the Asian market some more.

 
Koya said:
fasteddie_21 said:
Limp Ditka said:
Manny Machado will be sidelined for the next 6-8 weeks after being diagnosed with a torn medial patellar ligament in his left knee.
All things considered, it's great news, as Machado's ACL and MCL are intact. He'll be allowed to resume light running in 6-8 weeks and is expected to be fine for spring training. Machado's 2013 campaign ends on a sour note, but the 21-year-old still put up a solid .283/.314/.432 batting line with 14 homers, 71 RBI and 51 doubles.

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Awesome news, considering how bad everyone thought it would be! :thumbup:
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Amen. As an O's and Mets fan, this is FAR better than where the Mets are with Harvey.

All in all it was a good season. Things never seemed to really click, but we were competitive all along and never really out of it until the very end. Good to build from. But god, we need pitching.

Next year you have to assume that Crush regresses into the 30's with HRs, so we need to replace that lost magic. Hopefully Manny Ma can help to some degree on that front.
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Maybe they will get better production out of their corner OF's that will make up the difference. That's not asking much.

I'm more worried that they wasted the best defensive season of all time. Having Manny not be as seriously hurt as first thought is more rewarding than making a play in game.

 
It is amazing that their pitching couldn't be better with the defense and offense they had. I really hope that next year Bundy and Gausman make a difference in the rotation, because right now it's full of #3s and 4s ... I'll give Tillman a #2, but they need to improve. The bullpen was taxed from the beginning and it showed after mid season.

Still good to be in contention late in September, but after last year I was hoping for another return to the playoffs.

 
The turning point for the O's season was the 3 consecutive walk-off losses to the D-backs in early August. After those losses, I had no confidence that they'd contend for the WC and tha's how it turned out.

Should Chris Davis get any MVP love?

 
In an odd sort of way, I feel as good about this season as I did about last year. Mainly because they hung in until the last week without the insanely lopsided record in one-run games, leading after the 7th, etc...of last season. It's good to see that 2012 wasn't a lot of smoke-and-mirrors and that, once things normalized, they didn't crash.

Though - maybe we say the same thing going into 2014. Davis, Jones, and Tillman all had career years in 2013. And the defense was outstanding.

They could never put together a real hot streak. I'm probably misremembering, but it seemed they had several series where they lost the last game instead of sweeping. Most of that's pitching, but the Orioles bats would go strangely quiet for long spells too.

 
DCThunder said:
The turning point for the O's season was the 3 consecutive walk-off losses to the D-backs in early August. After those losses, I had no confidence that they'd contend for the WC and tha's how it turned out.

Should Chris Davis get any MVP love?
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That Arizona series was brutal.

I think Davis will finish 3rd in the MVP race.

 
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