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*** Official 2018 San Francisco 49ers thread *** (3 Viewers)

This team has a TON of holes. Pass rush, pass blocking, tackling, too many penalties, Jimmy is holding the ball too long and taking too many sacks and hes not very accurate...

Im sure part of the problem has to do with having to completely change their game plans since McKinnon went down, but man...this team will be lucky to win 6 games this year.

And now the report is the 49ers have inquired about Josh Gordon...

Its gonna be a long season.

 
I know there were some who had a lot of optimism going into the season but I still don't see a lot of talent on this team.

Add to the fact that Jimmy looks borderline at this point and it certainly might be a long season. 

 
killface said:
I know there were some who had a lot of optimism going into the season but I still don't see a lot of talent on this team.

Add to the fact that Jimmy looks borderline at this point and it certainly might be a long season. 
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I thought he looked much better with the simplified playbook used last year, he was getting the ball out really quickly. The full playbook seems to be slowing down his decision making, It's been said it takes a full year to master the Shanahan offense and we may be seeing this play out. As mentioned before, McKinnon's injury really hurt what Shanahan wanted to do, Breida is a nice find, but he is not the running/receiving threat that McKinnon was going to be. On the Defensive side, hopefully getting Foster back will help solidify the front 7.

 
mcd said:
I thought he looked much better with the simplified playbook used last year, he was getting the ball out really quickly. The full playbook seems to be slowing down his decision making, It's been said it takes a full year to master the Shanahan offense and we may be seeing this play out. As mentioned before, McKinnon's injury really hurt what Shanahan wanted to do, Breida is a nice find, but he is not the running/receiving threat that McKinnon was going to be. On the Defensive side, hopefully getting Foster back will help solidify the front 7.
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The other side of that is you see time and time again in the nfl a qb look great for 6 games and then teams figure them out of defense and they go back to being pretty mediocre.  I can see that happening with JG

 
 They Got the win and eliminated some of the sloppiness from game 1, so that's a positive.  Would have liked to see them put the game away when they had Detroit reeling, but that will be part of the team growth.

-Lack of an outside pass rush will haunt the team all year

-Jimmy will be fine.  The hype was out of control after last year.  He is what he is which is a young QB still learning a complex system.  Definitely misses Goodwin.

-McGlinchey is pretty much what we expected.  Improvement over Brown in the running game but a step back in pass protection.  He got abused on a couple bull rushes yesterday

-Breida should be getting 60-65 percent of the carries. 

-Getting Foster back will be huge, assuming he can stay out of the tent.  Can't wait to see him and Warner on the field together

-Warner is a man out there.  By far the best pick of their draft this year

-Reed will replace Williams sooner than later as the slot corner

-Thomas is a 3rd round talent, not a 3rd overall talent

-Think they get rolled in KC next week as I don't see the 49er offense being able to keep up with that track team group of receivers.  Reminds me of the greatest show on turf Ram teams.  But I can see them beating the Chargers, so a 2-2 start playing 3 of 4 on the road would be good.

-Expectations were unrealistic going into this year.  Still think they can win 8-10 games which would be a big step considering where they were at the start of last year.  

 
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mcd said:
I thought he looked much better with the simplified playbook used last year, he was getting the ball out really quickly. The full playbook seems to be slowing down his decision making, It's been said it takes a full year to master the Shanahan offense and we may be seeing this play out. As mentioned before, McKinnon's injury really hurt what Shanahan wanted to do, Breida is a nice find, but he is not the running/receiving threat that McKinnon was going to be. On the Defensive side, hopefully getting Foster back will help solidify the front 7.
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 The defense isn’t impressive generally but the pass rush and the CB play has been particularly disappointing. Stafford was was finding open guys quickly without feeling much heat. Not sure Foster helps much in those areas. 

 
efactor said:
 Jimmy will be fine.  The hype was out of control after last year.  He is what he is which is a young QB still learning a complex system.  Definitely misses Goodwin.
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This. The guy has 9 career starts in the NFL. Hes gonna go through growing pains like every QB does, regardless of who he sat and learned behind. Losing McKinnon didnt help his development, Shanny had to pretty much scrap the system they worked on all offseason with Jet as the centerpiece of the offense. Coupled with Goodwin only playing one quarter in 2 games so far, and you have a QB who is struggling to make things happen, and its totally understandable. We have no deep threat right now and it shows. If you cant stretch the field, youre gonna have issues. Once they get past week 7 the schedule gets a bit easier, but the the next 5 games include @Chiefs, @Chargers, MNF @Packers, and SNF at home vs the Rams. Pretty brutal.

 
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https://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/118848-ian-rapoport-describes-49ers-interest-josh-gordon-tepid/

Ian Rapoport describes the 49ers’ interest in Josh Gordon as ‘tepid’

San Francisco 49ers general manager John Lynch made headlines on Sunday when he told reports before the team's game against the Detroit Lions that a call was made to the Cleveland Browns about Josh Gordon.

Of course, "a call" doesn't mean the 49ers are aggressively pursuing the troubled yet talented Gordon. The often transparent Lynch merely said the team is doing its due diligence on the receiver.

The Browns told Gordon on Saturday that he would be released on Monday. Of course, Cleveland is likely open to listening to offers for the receiver before that point.

How interested is San Francisco? Ian Rapoport of NFL Network believes the 49ers are just monitoring the situation at this point. He joined KNBR on Monday morning to discuss the chances of Gordon landing with the Niners.

"I would say they are interested, but I would describe their interest as more tepid than anything," Rapoport said on the "Murph & Mac" show. "I'm not saying it's not going to happen, and I know that Gordon, the two places that he would like to go are the Cowboys and the 49ers.

"The Cowboys are not going to happen. The 49ers, I think, if the price is right, it might, but I just don't get the sense that they're going to overspend (or) they're going to put a lot of resources into trying to bring him. Maybe if they were going to cut him, the 49ers might come in and say, 'We'll give you a seventh-rounder.'

"I get the sense it is more monitoring than anything else. There's a couple of reasons for that. First of all, unfortunately, the 49ers have been in this situation before where they have a player who has good intentions, who has been in the substance abuse program, who is a fantastic talent, and says all the things, and does all the right things, and have seen it go the wrong way. It's hard to do that a lot no matter how big of a talent he is.

"Think of what Cleveland actually ended up getting on the field out of Josh Gordon over six years. Really, one season. It's amazing. So I would say the Niners are monitoring, but I would probably not put them in the driver's seat."

 
Wingnut said:
This. The guy has 9 career starts in the NFL. Hes gonna go through growing pains like every QB does, regardless of who he sat and learned behind. Losing McKinnon didnt help his development, Shanny had to pretty much scrap the system they worked on all offseason with Jet as the centerpiece of the offense. Coupled with Goodwin only playing one quarter in 2 games so far, and you have a QB who is struggling to make things happen, and its totally understandable. We have no deep threat right now and it shows. If you cant stretch the field, youre gonna have issues. Once they get past week 7 the schedule gets a bit easier, but the the next 5 games include @Chiefs, @Chargers, MNF @Packers, and SNF at home vs the Rams. Pretty brutal.
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Plus, getting the huge contract put unrealistic expectations on him as well.  

I am in the give Gordon a chance crowd.  He just has the mad talent they are missing right now at WR, although I think Pettis will be really good as he gets more playing time.

 
Wingnut said:
This. The guy has 9 career starts in the NFL. Hes gonna go through growing pains like every QB does, regardless of who he sat and learned behind. Losing McKinnon didnt help his development, Shanny had to pretty much scrap the system they worked on all offseason with Jet as the centerpiece of the offense. Coupled with Goodwin only playing one quarter in 2 games so far, and you have a QB who is struggling to make things happen, and its totally understandable. We have no deep threat right now and it shows. If you cant stretch the field, youre gonna have issues. Once they get past week 7 the schedule gets a bit easier, but the the next 5 games include @Chiefs, @Chargers, MNF @Packers, and SNF at home vs the Rams. Pretty brutal.
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The problem scenario for the 49ers is they get a young qb with growing pains at an aaron rodgers price.  Teams like the rams etc...can build excellent teams because the qb position isn't taking a ton of their cap space.

The 49ers are the opposite with the qb salary super expensive but the talent not matching the salary

 
killface said:
The problem scenario for the 49ers is they get a young qb with growing pains at an aaron rodgers price.  Teams like the rams etc...can build excellent teams because the qb position isn't taking a ton of their cap space.

The 49ers are the opposite with the qb salary super expensive but the talent not matching the salary
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But they still have a ton of cap space. Marathe is a salary cap/numbers wizard, I get the skepticism but theyre a couple of pieces from being pretty good, and they should be able to afford to add those pieces. Lynch and Shanahans contracts are for 6 years, theres no pressure on the FO to win now, they have plenty of time to build the team the way they want to.

 
Reports that the 49ers were one of three NFC teams talking to the Browns about Gordon. Browns preferred to trade him to the NFC. Guess Lynch didn’t want to part with a 5th rounder for a shot at a WR who can be a difference maker. ?

 
killface said:
The problem scenario for the 49ers is they get a young qb with growing pains at an aaron rodgers price.  Teams like the rams etc...can build excellent teams because the qb position isn't taking a ton of their cap space.

The 49ers are the opposite with the qb salary super expensive but the talent not matching the salary
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Their cap situation allowed for this backward approach. Granted they paid him a lot of money but they didn’t have to use or give up much draft capital to get him. 

But yeah, had they, for example, taken Mahomes instead of Thomas, they could have made a more aggressive move for Mack and had the best of both worlds. 

I realize hindsight is always 100 percent spot on, but KC obviously saw the talent in Mahomes and Houston made a big move for Watson. Just makes me wonder why SF didn’t see that same thing.  I really like Shanahan as a coach but he said that Bethard was the only QB he was interested in in that draft. I know he meant at where they were being drafted but still. Drafting 3rd overall after the trade with Chicago and missing big with Thomas is a huge setback. Thomas can be a solid player but you need a star there. 

Feel the same about McGlinchey this year. Will be a good player but passing on Davenport and Derwin James was perplexing.  Just think those guys have better chances of being stars.  

 
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efactor said:
Reports that the 49ers were one of three NFC teams talking to the Browns about Gordon. Browns preferred to trade him to the NFC. Guess Lynch didn’t want to part with a 5th rounder for a shot at a WR who can be a difference maker. ?
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While it would have been a low risk/high reward kind of deal, Lynch and company have relpeatedly stated that they only want players of a certain character on the roster, and Gordon has showed zero commitment to being a reliable person/player. Since the only full season played in his career in 2013, hes only played in 5 games in 2014,  5 games in 2017, and one game this year. I'm betting he doesn't last the season in NE, although if anyone can turn him into a reliable player, it's Belichick IMO. I don't see the 49ers staff being the type to be able to work that kind of magic with such a head case, nor do I think they'd want that potential distraction while they're trying to rebuild the team and culture in SF.

That said, I would have been fine if they gave him a shot even though I just don't see him being in the league past this season. Now LeVeon Bell on the other hand is a player l wouldn't mind them making a play for. Even though he's had some minor issues and is a bit of a diva, he's only missed a few games the past few years and has proved he's a stud that can carry the load. He would be a great fit in Shanny's system, and would take a lot of pressure off of Jimmy with teams stacking the box. That price tag though...

 
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efactor said:
Their cap situation allowed for this backward approach. Granted they paid him a lot of money but they didn’t have to use or give up much draft capital to get him. 

But yeah, had they, for example, taken Mahomes instead of Thomas, they could have made a more aggressive move for Mack and had the best of both worlds. 

I realize hindsight is always 100 percent spot on, but KC obviously saw the talent in Mahomes and Houston made a big move for Watson. Just makes me wonder why SF didn’t see that same thing.  I really like Shanahan as a coach but he said that Bethard was the only QB he was interested in in that draft. I know he meant at where they were being drafted but still. Drafting 3rd overall after the trade with Chicago and missing big with Thomas is a huge setback. Thomas can be a solid player but you need a star there. 

Feel the same about McGlinchey this year. Will be a good player but passing on Davenport and Derwin James was perplexing.  Just think those guys have better chances of being stars.  
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I really couldn't agree more.  The key to success nowadays is twofold in the nfl

1. have the otherworldly qb that makes the rest of the team meaningless (i.e. rodgers and brady).  Right now I don't think JG Is going to get there.  He holds the ball too long, his decision making doesn't appear to be the best.  I think he'll be good but that's all he'll be...which isn't a bad thing

2. have a cheap good qb (see Rams, Chiefs, SEA, etc...) and build a superstar rest of the team.

You can't have both is the key.  The 49ers are paying for an otherworldly qb so i think it may be tough for them to challenge the top teams for awhile.  

 
killface said:
1. have the otherworldly qb that makes the rest of the team meaningless (i.e. rodgers and brady).  Right now I don't think JG Is going to get there.  He holds the ball too long, his decision making doesn't appear to be the best.  I think he'll be good but that's all he'll be..
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Those QBs don't come around often, and it's way too early to know how good Jimmy will be. In a couple years Mahomes and Goff will be making way more than Jimmy, it's just the way salaries are inflating these days. Look at what Stafford makes. Is he worth it? I say no. I think Jimmy will be a top 5 or 6 QB in 2 years, and his salary will look like a bargain. He's learning maybe the most complex system in the NFL, has been without his #1 WR for 7 of 8 quarters this season, and without the RB that was supposed to be the feature back. I do agree he's been holding the ball too long and taking way too many sacks, but that's an easy fix. And don't forget the 2 TDs that were dropped week 1...those would have made Jimmy's stat line look a LOT better, and maybe he doesn't throw those INTs if we have a lead and can run the ball more. I'll wait til we see a couple of full games with Goodwin before I decide how Jimmy looks. 

Just my $.02

 
Wingnut said:
Those QBs don't come around often, and it's way too early to know how good Jimmy will be. In a couple years Mahomes and Goff will be making way more than Jimmy, it's just the way salaries are inflating these days. Look at what Stafford makes. Is he worth it? I say no. I think Jimmy will be a top 5 or 6 QB in 2 years, and his salary will look like a bargain. He's learning maybe the most complex system in the NFL, has been without his #1 WR for 7 of 8 quarters this season, and without the RB that was supposed to be the feature back. I do agree he's been holding the ball too long and taking way too many sacks, but that's an easy fix. And don't forget the 2 TDs that were dropped week 1...those would have made Jimmy's stat line look a LOT better, and maybe he doesn't throw those INTs if we have a lead and can run the ball more. I'll wait til we see a couple of full games with Goodwin before I decide how Jimmy looks. 

Just my $.02
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When Goodwin comes back, I would like to see him, Garcon and Pettis on the field together more.  Pettis needs to play as they need another big play option.  

 
Wingnut said:
The running game isn't the problem, going into today we had the #1 rushing attack. It's the damn defense, the stupid penalties, the lack of pass rush, and Jimmy just looks lost out there.
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In fairness no one has been able to stop the chiefs.  If Pitt loses Monday, they might part with Bell for a mid round pick

 
And Reuben Foster is hurt again.

Sherman is also out with an injury.

 
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In all seriousness I do hope Jimmy GQ is ok. I've been rooting for him awhile. Really wanted the Eagles to take him the year he was drafted. 

 
DJackson10 said:
In all seriousness I do hope Jimmy GQ is ok. I've been rooting for him awhile. Really wanted the Eagles to take him the year he was drafted. 
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I think 49er fans overrate him, but then again, any serviceable quarterback the 49ers trot out is the new Joe Montana to them

 
Wingnut said:
I don't. This team is a ways away from contending, no need to give away a first rounder.
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My feelings too. Today was the first day I got to watch an entire game this year.

They’re a ways off from being a real competitor. I’d prefer to stay in rebuilding mode than giving away picks.

 
Wingnut said:
Initial tests on Jimmy's knee are not good, they think it's serious.

Dammit man.
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His season is over, and for the life of me, I can’t understand why he didn’t just go out of bounds.

I still blame Jed York, who I’ll blame for anything, until he disappears from the face of Earth (or they win a Super Bowl).

 
CJ BEATTHETARD TIME! 

The #49ers new starting QB is C.J. Beathard. Nick Mullen’s will be the backup and the 49ers will have to add someone to the practice squad. -- @mattbarrows
via http://cbssportsapp.com

That poor guy got pummeled last season lol. Tough guy, but as a starter he really kind of sucked. 

 
Jimmy Garoppolo may have torn ACL in #49ers 38-27 loss to Chiefs www.sfchronicle.com/49ers/article/Jimmy-Garoppolo-sustains-knee-injury-in-49ers-13251683.php?utm_campaign=twitter-premium&utm_source=CMS%20Sharing%20Button&utm_medium=social -- @Eric_Branch
via http://cbssportsapp.com

 
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