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*** Official 2018 San Francisco 49ers thread *** (2 Viewers)
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Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
I traded for Goodwin this morning.
I'm sorry
I'm sorry
Wingnut
Footballguy
Joe Summer
Footballguy
What's Jeff Garcia up to these days?
Seriously, though....Tyrod is a good fit here. Or maybe the Saints would be willing to trade Teddy B?
Seriously, though....Tyrod is a good fit here. Or maybe the Saints would be willing to trade Teddy B?
IheartGuinness
Footballguy
Underachievers
Footballguy
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
drummer
Footballguy
Hey, you asked why I wasn’t in here now that the 49ers are good to a couple of months ago.
Just how good are they, even with a healthy Garopollo?
Not very, and now without him, I would figure these 49er season threads will wind up just like Levi’s.
Empty
Checked my schedule and it seems I am also available to play QB for the 49ers.Kaepernick is available.
Just throwing that out there because it seems about as likely as either of these scenarios.
Elevencents
Footballguy
Gonna be really interesting to see who they go after. I have no freakin clue. But can’t imagine they’re overly excited trotting out Beat Hard.
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drummer
Footballguy
The 49er player police blotter has enough of them already
ETA: the 49ers have had sort of a booze/party issue with the team over the past few seasons (Aldrunk Smith anyone?), so Manziel will wind up driving into a liquor store on his way to practice
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Wingnut
Footballguy
They're averaging 27 points a game, which is better than about 2/3 of the league. I'd say they're better than last year. If not for a crap ton of penalties and drops they might be 2-1 right now.
Anyway, enjoy being a stick in the mud. You seem to thrive on misery.
drummer
Footballguy
They haven’t faced top ten defenses yet either. KC is ranked dead last in defense after two games, MIN got blown out by BUF, and DET is DET.
They could be 2-1, but also could be 0-3 due to a penalty from DET.
But hey, all we have to do is go back a page where you said:
“This team is garbage. Receivers cant catch, defense cant tackle, we cant stop anybody. Just scrap it.”
https://forums.footballguys.com/forum/topic/764810-official-2018-san-francisco-49ers-thread-jimmy-g-goes-down-with-a-knee-injurythis-could-be-bad/?do=findComment&comment=21368691
Neil Beaufort Zod
Footballguy
Manziel is humiliating himself for Montreal in the CFL. He's playing so badly he shouldn't even be a backup for the Alouettes.
At 1-2 they have to decide if they want to sink more resources into a QB when they've already paid Garoppolo a mint. Anyone they get will be cheap and mediocre. So why not just go with Beathard?
At 1-2 they have to decide if they want to sink more resources into a QB when they've already paid Garoppolo a mint. Anyone they get will be cheap and mediocre. So why not just go with Beathard?
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
They don’t need to get a QB. They were a 7-9 win team this season with Jimmy (certainly trending in the right direction, but nothing to be overly excited about), nothing to really save. They’ve been playing for next year since Jim left, I see no reason for that to change now.
Wingnut
Footballguy
Yeah it's called frustration. What's your point? Everyone here knows Im a Niner fan through and through. You? Not so much.
Not really getting the hate. He showed flashes last year as a rookie and came in cold and threw a clutch TD today. With the additional year in Shanahan’s system, I don’t think he’ll be the worst QB in the league or anything this year.
If only there was a way to stop seeing posts from individuals who constantly annoyed you...
drummer
Footballguy
Whether anyone thinks I am a fan or not doesn’t matter to me. I’ve followed the franchise longer than you have, have written about them, posted a gazillion words about them, and can still even as a casual observer make a salient and relevant point. It’s not rocket science I know, but it doesn’t mean can’t speak my mind about it.
Now, you told me a while back to go root for a dysfunctional team. I said I used to in the 48ers, and that the only thing they did differently this past offseason is not fire the head coach like they did for three prior consecutive seasons. Franchises that do that have systemic issues in their front office structure that ultimately affects the product on the field. The Yorks still own the team, and who knows of Kyle Shanahan’s job is safe if they have a 4-12 season because they fired head coaches still under contract. I’ve said for years here that the old GM in Trent Ballke sucked, much to everyone’s disagreement, only to see them say the same thing years later. It will remain to be seen if they aren’t successful in two seasons who goes first: Lynch or Shanahan, but Jed York promises (idiotically given his ownership) Super Bowls, and this team looks to be a long way far from that.
You can save the sanctimonious “REAL FAN” stuff for the Webzone types. I just call it as I see it. This is the first game I watched this season, against a defense that was ranked dead last in DVOA last week, but mostly I watched it to check out Patrick Mahomes, not just for Jimmy “THE GOAT” (which was coined all over Twitter late last season from both 49er fans and writers of 49er fan blogs lol), and I’m obviously more impressed with Mahomes than THE GOAT. Mahomes is doing what 49er fans said THE GOAT would be doing this season.
Well, they’re fans, what do you expect? Right?
drummer
Footballguy
If there was a way for you to stop complaining about it like you have for ten seasons now
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babydemon90
Footballguy
He has one good game last year, against the dumpster fire defense of the NYG. I imagine SF doesn't have a whole lot to gain trading for a QB, may as well take your lumps rather then give up draft stock - but this is gonna hurt.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
drummer
Footballguy
If you look at Beatenhard’s stats last season...
They’re......just......not........good
But yeah they put a lot of $$ into Garopollo this season, so Beatenhard will have to do, if he can last taking another season of beatings
First, let’s be reasonable with what he could have been expected to do last year. He was a rookie playing on maybe the least talented team in the league. Second, I’m not saying he’s going to lead the Niners to the playoffs or anything crazy. I do suspect that he’ll produce more for the Niners this year than a stop gap veteran like Tyrod, etc., would if brought in. He outplayed a guy like that in Hoyer last year.
drummer
Footballguy
drummer
Footballguy
https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/09/23/49ers-notes-beathard-reclaims-qb-role-amid-widespread-support/
While it’s nice to see them get behind Beatenhard, it’s like trying to get behind Blaine Gabbert. Luckily they have 5 of 7 games on the west coast coming up, and with the exception of the Rams who are way better than the 49ers, those games are winnable. Two against AZ, one against the Chargers, one against the Raiders. The road games that aren’t on the west coast are GB (maybe winnable) and NYG (winnable).
Then the bye week.
It may be ugly football, but the 49ers under the Yorks have been nothing but ugly football save the Harbaugh salad days which was too pretty for Jed so he made sure York 49er football remained ugly and brought in an ugly coach in Tomsula along with it.
Even the good looks of Lynch, Shanahan, and Garopollo haven’t shown a whole lot of pretty football, but it was promising although short lived. Beatenhard football is ugly football, but as the great ringleader of ugly 49er football Mike “LOOK AT MY BUTT THATS HOW YOU GUYS PLAYED” Singletary once said:
“There is no such thing as an ugly win”
EMBRACE THE UGLINESS!
How is that for optimism ‘Nut?
While it’s nice to see them get behind Beatenhard, it’s like trying to get behind Blaine Gabbert. Luckily they have 5 of 7 games on the west coast coming up, and with the exception of the Rams who are way better than the 49ers, those games are winnable. Two against AZ, one against the Chargers, one against the Raiders. The road games that aren’t on the west coast are GB (maybe winnable) and NYG (winnable).
Then the bye week.
It may be ugly football, but the 49ers under the Yorks have been nothing but ugly football save the Harbaugh salad days which was too pretty for Jed so he made sure York 49er football remained ugly and brought in an ugly coach in Tomsula along with it.
Even the good looks of Lynch, Shanahan, and Garopollo haven’t shown a whole lot of pretty football, but it was promising although short lived. Beatenhard football is ugly football, but as the great ringleader of ugly 49er football Mike “LOOK AT MY BUTT THATS HOW YOU GUYS PLAYED” Singletary once said:
“There is no such thing as an ugly win”
EMBRACE THE UGLINESS!
How is that for optimism ‘Nut?
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fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
This is where I am.
If they would’ve pulled out 10 wins and snuck into a wildcard, I would’ve been very pleasantly surprised, but my expectations at best were 8-9 wins.
As a fan, I’m happy and comfortable in two places; contender or contention for the number 1 pick. This 8-8 area to me is like being stuck in neutral, so I’ll take solace in chasing a top 5 pick.
As much as I can understand this point of view, it's really really hard for a team to suddenly go from 4/5 wins to 10/11 wins. Much easier to get there from winning 8/9 games. I don't think this is a good thing for SF's chances next year.
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
Wingnut
Footballguy
Eagles in 2016 (7-9) to 13-3 in 2017 and a SB win.
Panthers in 2014 (7-8-1) to 15-1 in 2015 and a SB appearance.
49ers in 2010 (6-10) to 13-3 in 2011 and a SB appearance.
Three teams went from 6-7 wins to appearing in a SB. It's not unheard of in recent years. Next season the 49ers should be at full strength, so its certainly possible. Not saying it will happen, but they're only 5 wins away from a 6 win season and they play Arizona and Seattle twice, the Giants, Raiders, Broncos and Bucs. Stranger things have happened.
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Again, I never said it couldn't be done. I said (three times now), "much easier".
EDT: Also, it was in response to going after a 'top 5 pick". 6 wins likely won't get a top 5 pick. I'm saying if I'm a SF fan looking towards next year, I'd still rather have Jimmy this year and try to win 8 games, than to have Jimmy out and win 4 games and have a top 5 pick.
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fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
He just gave you 3 examples from the previous 7 seasons. Not sure where you get “much easier” from or why you are trying to argue this? I don’t even see the point.
Furthermore, that huge turnaround is prob the best feeling you can have as a fan.
The 2011-2012 49ers season, even with the Kyle Williams debacle, might’ve been my favorite season as a 49ers fan ever, it was just so unexpected after almost a decade of pitiful football.
Ok, I can name more than 3 examples in the last 7 years where an 8/9 win team makes a deep playoff run. Aka, Much Easier.
My point is that SF fans are saying they would NOW rather win 4 games this year than 8 games this year, thinking it will give them a better shot in 2019. I'm in the camp that a winning culture, more wins/attractive place for FA's to land, more experience, etc is better than tanking for a higher pick in the nfl.
Wingnut
Footballguy
TBH, I didnt read those 3 posts, I tend to gravitate to posts by actual fans. I see enough negativity elsewhere online, I dont really care to deal with it here any more.
.What fans are saying that? We are staring adversity in the face right now and are trying to remain positive and hoping for the best case scenario. Sorry if you cant understand that.
I wasn't being negative or bashing the 49ers at all. I was saying if I was a SF fan right now, I still think it's better to win 8 games this year than 4 games this year. I think it would be better for 2019 for them to win 8 games this year.
And to your 2nd point, see below. I think as a fan you should still cheer for them to win games this year and 8-8 would be more of a positive than a top 5 pick.
Wingnut
Footballguy
OK I can agree with this. 4 games wont make a huge difference in the draft, the top few picks will be jockeying for a QB like every year, so that sends talent down a bit since we wont be looking for a QB. I still think this team can win 6-8 games...its not gonna be easy, but it can be done. I wont be upset if they win 8, and I wont think the sky is falling if they win 5. I just hope they address pass rush in the draft, its a glaring weakness that has proved to be a tough need to fill via FA.
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I definitely think this team can still win 6 games. Hoping for your team to lose for a better draft pick can be argued in other sports where there's such a huge drop off of talent after top 5. And if its late in the year. Or if you are in desperate need of qb. But when you have a franchise qb, and it's week 3, I think winning games this year should still be the goal of any fan. It will be more beneficial to the teams success next year.
had to chime in on Minnesota. They are still a top 5 defense in the league, regardless of the ridiculous outcome of today's game
Wingnut
Footballguy
I remember back in 1994 when the Eagles waxed the 49ers 40 something to 8 around week 4 or 5 and Siefert pulled Young out...then we went on a tear and ran the table en route to a SB win. The Eagles were a sub .500 team that year.
The point is losing a game early in the season doesn't necessarily knock a team out of contention or reflect on how good they are. Its a weak argument, every team lays an egg once in a while.
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drummer
Footballguy
Well what contributes to that current ranking at #10 so far this season (according to NFL.com) was playing against the 49ers, and yes tMIN was a playoff team last season, point taken.
drummer
Footballguy
drummer
Footballguy
Garoppolo to me is still unproven and it takes a full sched of 16 games to see where a quarterback shakes out, or at least 12-13. This is the second major injury he’s suffered in his NFL career, and the way he was getting hit yesterday he could injure his shoulder once again. The 49ers should find some added insurance at quarterback next season, and they might have to if Garopollo’s injury is that serious to hamper his development. No matter how everyone is sold on him, they still have a question at quarterback. They have questions at a lot of positions, no matter where they picked in the draft. It’s going to take both Lynch and Shanahan another two seasons to also prove themselves.
A team can reach 10 wins one season, and sink back to six wins the next as well. The Harbaugh led 49er team of 2011 was being built since 2005. Starting with Scot McBoozin and Mike Nolan/Singletary. It also eroded under Trent “What dioes a wide receiver look like?” Baalke, and was all dismantled in one offseason to the mess it has been since.
The 2011 49er team wasn’t built overnight. It was ****canned overnight, but it took many years, many head coaches, and a couple of GM’s to get to a winning season.
Plus, you still have Jed York and Parag Marathe, the power tripping duo that say their hearts are in the right place, but their stick their flaccid Johnson’s into the wrong place.
Which means 49er fans better stock up on lube
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