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*Official 2018 Super Bowl Champion Philadelphia Eagles* - Tough way to go out. Magic finally gone. (2 Viewers)

Wasn't mentioned as he's more of a Special Teams guy but he at least added some depth and I thought looked decent in Preseason but Joe Walker was signed by Arizona from our PS. 

Also Billy Brown and DeAndre Carter were put on the PS and Rashard Davis cut

 
Slow week.  Score predictions for Sunday?  Seems like every time I pick us to win, we seem to lose and every time I think we might not win, we win.  Therefore, I'm Gonna go 51-3 Colts.

 
Deamon said:
Slow week.  Score predictions for Sunday?  Seems like every time I pick us to win, we seem to lose and every time I think we might not win, we win.  Therefore, I'm Gonna go 51-3 Colts.
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I think we have an easy win.  The colts are trash imo

 
I don't think the rain will hamper Wentz. If anything I think it will force him to be more cautious. 

 
Bigboy10182000 said:
Do we send Foles to SF if Jimmy G tore his ACL?
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A trade deadline deal would be the best scenario. He got to come out game 1 to the fans after the SB, bought a couple games until Carson is back.......now give the man a chance to start if the price is right. 

Mare there any other possible teams, think they all have young QB’s?

 
IHEARTFF said:
Don’t see the 49ers wanting to do that at all. The Rams have already clinched the nfc West. 
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And I don't think Niners management is dumb enough to make that type of trade given that they made a very good move to get Jimmy G in the first place.  They're competent.

 
GoBirds said:
A trade deadline deal would be the best scenario. He got to come out game 1 to the fans after the SB, bought a couple games until Carson is back.......now give the man a chance to start if the price is right. 

Mare there any other possible teams, think they all have young QB’s?
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If you’re SF the time is now. You can’t make a trade deadline deal and expect him to learn the playbook so late in the season. If you do it, you do it now and run with Beathard for a game or two. 

 
So I have been anti-Smallwood since he came on the team, but he was impressive yesterday. What is funny is the guy's on Birds with Friends called it the best. don't remember the exact quote, but basically said if Wendell has to beat a guy one-on-one he will get easily tackled, but put him in pile of 4 other guys and he will drive for another 3 yards. I am not sure how much they can rely on him, and would have liked to see more of Adams mixed in, but for now I think even without Sproles and Ajayi the Eagles are ok.

 
modogg said:
So I have been anti-Smallwood since he came on the team, but he was impressive yesterday. What is funny is the guy's on Birds with Friends called it the best. don't remember the exact quote, but basically said if Wendell has to beat a guy one-on-one he will get easily tackled, but put him in pile of 4 other guys and he will drive for another 3 yards. I am not sure how much they can rely on him, and would have liked to see more of Adams mixed in, but for now I think even without Sproles and Ajayi the Eagles are ok.
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We used 2 undrafted rookie FA RB's (Clement & Adams) along with a 5th round pick (Smallwood) who went for a combined 32-142-1 (4.4 ypc) in yesterdays game.  The OL and scheme did a really good job in the run game

 
We lost a legend today boys. Former HB/WR/KR and all around amazing personality and HOFer Tommy McDonald died at 84. This was Diddy's idol and was one of the main Reason Tommy McDonald got into the HoF. I wasn't alive to see McDonald play but watching old game films and games of McDonald I fell in love with the love. He reminded me of me when I played Football. Small, told you wouldn't last etc but more then anything a huge heart and willingness. Tommy McDonald for me was relatable. 

 
Nice thread title.  I got a good laugh from that Dallas fan who said the Eagles were dumb for drafting Goedert yet couldn't name one player who the Eagles should have taken instead.

 
i was thinking this morning about how some other teams would look if they were dealing with injuries like the Eagles are. Eagles still are without 3/4 of their top 4 WRs, and 2 of the top RBs. Not even incuding Carson back or Peters barely being able to walk, but how many teams could salvage wins in this situation. 

Not to pick on teams when they are down, but imagine the Cowboys if they had to deal with stuff like this? one, every flaw in the game would be blamed on those injuries and it would be a filler excuse, but 2 i don't even know if these teams could put together games that would be competitive. Really can't emphasize the depth that the Eagles have, in addition to the true "team" make-up of the team. Losing that many WRs would cripple a ton of teams, but the Eagles come out with 3 TEs and can establish nice drives down the field. Really is something other teams should mirror, but the funny thing is they just won't.

 
modogg said:
i was thinking this morning about how some other teams would look if they were dealing with injuries like the Eagles are. Eagles still are without 3/4 of their top 4 WRs, and 2 of the top RBs. Not even incuding Carson back or Peters barely being able to walk, but how many teams could salvage wins in this situation. 

Not to pick on teams when they are down, but imagine the Cowboys if they had to deal with stuff like this? one, every flaw in the game would be blamed on those injuries and it would be a filler excuse, but 2 i don't even know if these teams could put together games that would be competitive. Really can't emphasize the depth that the Eagles have, in addition to the true "team" make-up of the team. Losing that many WRs would cripple a ton of teams, but the Eagles come out with 3 TEs and can establish nice drives down the field. Really is something other teams should mirror, but the funny thing is they just won't.
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I remember the travesty of '17, when their left tackle went down.  #persist

 
Snotbubbles said:
Nice thread title.  I got a good laugh from that Dallas fan who said the Eagles were dumb for drafting Goedert yet couldn't name one player who the Eagles should have taken instead.
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Yeah, that guy should be in hiding permanently. 

 
Snotbubbles said:
Nice thread title.  I got a good laugh from that Dallas fan who said the Eagles were dumb for drafting Goedert yet couldn't name one player who the Eagles should have taken instead.
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Actually, I gave a lot of general directions you guys could've gone. Sure, I could've named specific players I like, but that wasn't my point. You should've gone D (maybe a DB with your secondary issues) or OL. Hell, a WR with Jeffery iffy would've been a much better move. I saw quite a few Philly fans wanting Guice & that would've been ok, as well. Take your pick. The 2018 class was outstanding.

Taking Goedert in the 2nd when Ertz is under contract & having bigger needs was short-sighted. It might be different if you ran 12 personnel near full-time (when everyone is healthy), but you don't. Goedert is essentially a backup TE.

It would be different if Ertz/Goedert was Gronk/Hernandez, but they're not. I love 12 personnel, but there was some nice TEs later in the draft.

That said, Goedert is a good prospect, but it was a very odd pick for a team living in the short-term with some weaknesses to cover for & some players getting older. It's like Pederson was running the draft & wanted another toy.

 
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Football Jones said:
Actually, I gave a lot of general directions Philly could've gone. Sure, I could've named players I like, but that wasn't my point. You should've gone D (maybe a DB with your secondary issues) or OL. Hell, a WR with Jeffery iffy would've been a much better move. I saw quite a few Philly fans wanting Guice & that would've been ok, as well. Take your pick. The 2018 class was outstanding.

Taking Goedert in the 2nd when Ertz is under contract & having bigger needs was short-sighted. It might be different if you ran 12 personnel near full-time (when everyone is healthy), but you don't. Goedert is essentially a backup TE.

It would be different if Ertz/Goedert was Gronk/Hernandez, but they're not. I love 12 personnel, but there was some nice TEs later in the draft.

That said, Goedert is a good prospect, but it was a very odd pick for a team living in the short-term with some weaknesses to cover for & some players getting older. It's like Pederson was running the draft & wanted another toy.
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Just so I understand where you stand: if Goedert turns out to be a really good TE, are you going to change your mind and say it was a good pick, or will you always say it was an odd pick because they had other more pressing needs, in your mind?

 
dhockster said:
Just so I understand where you stand: if Goedert turns out to be a really good TE, are you going to change your mind and say it was a good pick, or will you always say it was an odd pick because they had other more pressing needs, in your mind?
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I'm really not interested in debating this. We've not only been over it before, we know how it's going to turn out, LOL. I wouldn't have mentioned it again, but I saw the comment & wanted to correct it. I not only check out your thread occasionally, I check out most team threads.

Anyway, I like Goedert. He's a good prospect & could put up some decent production for a backup, but that's not what we're talking about here. This is about what's best for your team.

Bottom line, the pick surprised me. Trust me, if I didn't like Goedert, I would've really trashed the pick (in a constructive way, of course).

 
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sounds to me like Jeffery is gonna play. 

Tn is not gonna know what hits them.  I don't see how their offense has sustained success against our def and our offense is slowly getting into form.  should be a fun game.

 
I'm going to go ahead & take the bait I guess. I'll explain as briefly as possible exactly why I didn't like the pick...

While I love 12 personnel, with Ertz under contract, it wasn't a big need. You guys have much more critical areas of need than replacing Burton. 

I kinda doubt Pederson will all of a sudden switch to 12 personnel as his base offense, but even if he did, 12 personnel works best long-term if one of the TEs is an outstanding blocker. Will Dissly is who I had targeted for my Cowboys as a starter-type later in the draft, but he would make a perfect half of a 12 personnel TE package, especially with the fact Dissly was available in the later part of the 4th.

If I was a Phlly fan, I wouldn't have been happy taking what amounts to a backup TE in the mid-2nd of an outstanding class considering some of your other needs.

Just my opinion.

 
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Football Jones said:
I'm going to go ahead & take the bait I guess. I'll explain as briefly as possible why I didn't like the pick...

While I love 12 personnel, with Ertz under contract, it wasn't a big need. You guys have much more critical areas of need than replacing Burton. 

I kinda doubt Pederson will all of a sudden switch to 12 personnel as his base offense, but even if he did, 12 personnel works best long-term if one of the TEs is an outstanding blocker. WIll Dissly is who I had targeted for my Cowboys as a starter-type later in the draft, but he would make a perfect half of a 12 personnel TE package, especially the fact Dissly was available in the later part of the 4th.

If I was a Phlly fan, I wouldn't have been happy taking what amounts to a backup TE considering some of your other needs. Just my opinion.
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You are obviously entitled to your opinion. I just think it is too early to judge the pick when you don't know how he will turn out as a player. If Goedert takes over as an all-pro TE when Ertz's contract is done in 2021 or earlier if they cut him, then it will be a really good pick in the 2nd round. Obviously, he hasn't proved that yet, but his only game with his long-term starting QB looked pretty good.

Sometimes you also defer to the GM's judgement if the GM has a good track record. The fact that Howie Roseman is responsible for bringing in all of the Eagles roster, with the exception of Jason Peters, speaks pretty highly of him, especially when you consider that they only had one top ten draft pick that was based on their record (Lane Johnson, #4 in 2013) during his tenure. Wentz was taken with the number 2 overall pick, but Roseman traded up twice from #14 to get that pick. 

I would guess that you are deferring to the Cowboy GM's judgement in that they took a LB first and Olineman second when they had a glaring need at WR. Am I correct?

 
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@dhockster

I like LVE & there was good reason for the pick, but if it were me, I would've taken a WR in round 1. The exact idea I had was to take Sutton, but possibly trade down a bit & gain compensation.

That said, it's hard to argue what Will McClay has been doing. Another factor is unlike Philly, we weren't coming off a Super Bowl win & will have a ton of money free up next year. For a young, up & coming team like the Cowboys, you can definitely make a case it's best to go get your stud WR in FA in 2019. For one, we won't have to wait on him to develop.

 
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Football Jones said:
I'm going to go ahead & take the bait I guess. I'll explain as briefly as possible exactly why I didn't like the pick...

While I love 12 personnel, with Ertz under contract, it wasn't a big need. You guys have much more critical areas of need than replacing Burton. 

I kinda doubt Pederson will all of a sudden switch to 12 personnel as his base offense, but even if he did, 12 personnel works best long-term if one of the TEs is an outstanding blocker. Will Dissly is who I had targeted for my Cowboys as a starter-type later in the draft, but he would make a perfect half of a 12 personnel TE package, especially with the fact Dissly was available in the later part of the 4th.

If I was a Phlly fan, I wouldn't have been happy taking what amounts to a backup TE in the mid-2nd of an outstanding class considering some of your other needs.

Just my opinion.
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i think the main argument comes down to the underlined above. The Eagles never really had a big need. The biggest competition in training camp was over who would be the punter, and the WILL. You can always look ahead, and getting some OL depth or whatever is fine, but the Eagles have a lot of picks in next year's draft. Guice was about the only other guy i think that would have had an impact on this team. I saw you mentioned secondary, but we have one of the youngest CB cores in the entire league. Just drafted 2 CBs high 2 years ago, so i would say this is one of the least neediest positions.

I think this is also where you can see how large of a gap there is between franchises in the NFC East. it is overwhelmingly clear when the team is missing a majority of skill positions and still remaining competitive that this team is head and shoulders above the Giants and Cowboys

 
Football Jones said:
@dhockster

I like LVE & there was good reason for the pick, but if it were me, I would've taken a WR in round 1. The exact idea I had was to take Sutton, but possibly trade down a bit & gain compensation.

That said, it's hard to argue what Will McClay has been doing. Another factor is unlike Philly, we weren't coming off a Super Bowl win & will have a ton of money free up next year. For a young, up & coming team like the Cowboys, you can definitely make a case it's best to go get your stud WR in FA in 2019. For one, we won't have to wait on him to develop.
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Up and coming?  What are you basing that on?  The nucleus of the team is Prescott, Elliott, and Lee. They were 13-3 two years ago, didn't make the playoffs last year, and look to be pretty bad this year. They are going the opposite direction of a team on the rise.  Prescott may be the worst starter in football. His stats over the past 16 games are horrendous. Lee is getting old and may be more brittle than Romo was.  A team who still doesn't have a QB is not and up and coming team. 

 
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