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*Official 2018 Super Bowl Champion Philadelphia Eagles* - Tough way to go out. Magic finally gone. (1 Viewer)
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modogg
Footballguy
yup, another reason to hate the Cowboys. Idiot son and dad overpay for a WR, and now trade deadline will be a dud
Deamon
Footballguy
DT moved, that's a nice move for the Texans.
Surprised there isn't more Foles talk. Seems no one will part with a pick for him and there isn't really that much of a QB need out there right now. Every team either has their starter from this year in, or their future franchise QB starting. Dolphins and Jags might be the only two teams he would start for right now and I don't see either of them making a move.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
Looks like we got Golden Tate for a 3
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babydemon90
Footballguy
Wow. Will reserve judgement until I see what we gave up though.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
Deamon
Footballguy
babydemon90
Footballguy
Interesting. No question he's an upgrade, Tate and Jeffrey outside, Agholar inside.
If he leaves in the offseason, there should be compensatory pick ramifications - probably not a 3rd, but a 4th or 5th - so it isn't that big of a drop.
If he leaves in the offseason, there should be compensatory pick ramifications - probably not a 3rd, but a 4th or 5th - so it isn't that big of a drop.
Skeletore Eh
Footballguy
doesn't tate mostly play the slot?
was thinking this may mean the eagles have thrown in towel on agholor?
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
He’s a rental and if he signs a big enough deal we can hope to get a 4th round comp pick in 2020.
Not sure how I feel about it. We needed speed but maybe they feel like Agholor can add that or Hollins and Wallace after they come back.
babydemon90
Footballguy
Looks like most Lions fans are not happy with this. Makes me feel good.
Why did Detroit do this? They aren't out of it. 3-4?
Why did Detroit do this? They aren't out of it. 3-4?
GoBirds
Footballguy
As a Jones/Golladay owner I think it’s a great trade for them.
Not crazy about us giving a 3rd but like the addition.
shoecrew22
Footballguy
Last week I traded away Lindsay for Tate... and I draft Alshon... this hurts.
Do you think both players will be startable?
Do you think both players will be startable?
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Foosball God
Foos
They are very high on the receivers they have, Tate is in the final year of his contract and will easily get Watkins money. Detroit wasn't going to pay that so they wanted to get something before losing him.
Deamon
Footballguy
I have no idea why Lions fans wouldn't love this. Fantastic trade for them.
Lions have no shot to win that division. Their only hope is a wild card, and their schedule is brutal coming up (Bears, Bears, Rams, Panthers, Vikings, Cards, Bills, Packers, Vikings). Very unlikely they go 6-3 in those games which would be the absolute lowest they'd need to even sniff a playoff spot. They likely need to go 7-2 there in those games to get in.
Tate was leaving them for sure at the end of the season anyways. They have 9 more games in a wasted season before they lost him and picked up a mid 3rd round pick. I think that's a solid deal for them. Golladay is better and Jones may be too.
Foosball God
Foos
They probably won't, but that division is a mess. They certainly aren't out of it. It's a nice return but Tate is a great player. As a Lions fan I'm not exactly happy about it, but I understand it. The Lions need to do something with that 3rd round pick.
Football Jones
Footballguy
A day-2 pick surprised me for Tate since he's 30 AND in the last year of his contract. And he's not the type of player you franchise.
Howie MUST feel this is the key to winning another SB.
Interesting move. Tate will help so I'm curious to see how much of an impact he can have for you guys.
Howie MUST feel this is the key to winning another SB.
Interesting move. Tate will help so I'm curious to see how much of an impact he can have for you guys.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
The price isn’t heavy when you factor in the comp pick likely to come our way after he leaves. If we get a 4 back in 2020 the deal is practically a wash. We also still have 3 picks in the first 3 rounds (a 1 and two 2’s).
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Deamon
Footballguy
Would have preferred a 4th but not sure Detroit deals him for that as their compensatory pick would be around that. We also have 2 2nd rounders so I'm sure that played into Howie being willing to give up a 3rd.
Deamon
Footballguy
I wouldn't call it a mess. GB looks really good right now (almost beat the top team in the league on the road) and Minny looks good now too. Again, that div is going to take 10 wins to win, do you think the Lions had a shot at 7-2 with that upcoming schedule?
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
I don't really get it though, because this is far from the missing piece. I guess he's hoping they can tread water til Lane gets back and somehow Peters can make it through and Schwartz will work magic on D, but overall not a huge fan.
Football Jones
Footballguy
I actually like the move in general, but the dynamic of passing on D help to add another weapon is interesting to me.
Like I said, Howie must feel this will REALLY help.
Like I said, Howie must feel this will REALLY help.
need2know
Footballguy
Foosball God
Foos
I already said they probably won't win it, but I wouldn't say Minnesota is looking good right now. Green Bay is a good but not great team.
Deamon
Footballguy
Why does everyone assume that
A: There are somehow great defensive players out there that are available for trade
B: We ignored it and didn't look at said hypothetical players?
Football Jones
Footballguy
It was just a thought.
Maybe Howie tried to go after secondary help & couldn't get anything reasonable done.
Like I said, though, I like the move in general.
Deamon
Footballguy
It's only a 3rd though. I'm not trying to bring the Cooper trade into this because you're a Dallas fan, but I don't think this needs to REALLY help. If a 3rd needs to REALLY help, then a 1st needs to become a stud.
Deamon
Footballguy
Ya I haven't seen much secondary being moved today. Still some time but I just don't love when people say "why didn't they trade for a CB!" when zero CB's were available for a good price. If we see a great CB get traded today for less than a 3rd than maybe we can wonder why he didn't make that move but not until then.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
I suppose but don’t really know how Howie and other GM’s view that sort of thing. If Howie deals one of next years 2’s back for other picks I’m completely good with this.
Was going to reply with what @Deamon said. I’m sure they looked (maybe still looking?) into CB, OL, RB etc but the value has to be there too IMO. I think this deal is good value for us. Ultimately we need players and coaches to get right after the bye if we’re going to get back on track.
Football Jones
Footballguy
Well, really no sense in going over it again, but there are some big differences.
Cooper is 24, has an extra year on his contract, & is the type of player you could legitimately franchise.
Anyway, Tate is an interesting acquisition. He should help Wentz in FF which is the practical reason I like it.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
Secondary and OL are hard to part with and if they do get traded it makes me nervous lol
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
I never said anything like that.
I'm saying that giving up a 3rd for a player who could only play 8 games and walk when there are a lot of other holes now and in the future doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Maybe they will try to re-sign him and feel like this gives an inside track, but a 3 is still nothing to sneeze at.
Deamon
Footballguy
Ah okay. Thought you were insinuating that there are bigger holes we should have traded for.
I think Howie is in win now mode. A 3rd can be a good pick but also a dud quite easily. I think there's a chance he re-signs here depending on how he does but I think it's not overly likely. His tweet made it seem like he's pretty excited for Philly though.
Deamon
Footballguy
Likely, but that's not a bad thing. Ertz was getting peppered with targets, it wasn't sustainable. The dude is on pace for almost 170 targets.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
Hindsight being 20/20 you have Tate for a 3, Thomas for a 4, Gordon for a 5......and Cooper for a 1. Things are different, I agree, but given what we see now I think we can both agree that Dallas would want a do-over.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
The Tate move should also help take some coverage off of Ertz too. Not saying the targets will be there but I wouldn’t expect his points to change much.
Football Jones
Footballguy
This isn't really about Dallas, but given the dynamics of Cooper & Tate, let's just say it's a no-brainer for the Cowboys. We're one of the youngest teams in the league. Tate (again, given the specifics) for a 3rd makes absolutely no sense for us.
Flash? Different story & I would've liked to have taken a chance on him, but as you know, he was off limits for many teams (including yours).
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Football Jones
Footballguy
Agreed.
There won't be as many 12 personnel packages once Tate gets up to speed, either (which will mostly affect Goedert).
Deamon
Footballguy
Ya Tate for a 3rd for you doesn't make a ton of sense actually. Trading for Cooper makes more sense, but not for the value (again we could discuss all day what cooper is worth). I think his point was that it's weird to see these guys going cheap-ish near the deadline compared to what cooper was going for last week.
The Claymaker
Footballguy
I think great move by Philly. Tate is like extending handoffs to a guy 2-5 yards downfield that has awesome moves and good hands.
He and Jeffrey + Ertz that’s a nice set of pass catchers.
He and Jeffrey + Ertz that’s a nice set of pass catchers.
Deamon
Footballguy
Not sure it affects this that much, but maybe a bit. We obviously are below average in our run game, but with all our pass catching weapons, and Carson looking razor sharp, this offense is quickly looking like one where Carson is going to throw 40+ per game.
Football Jones
Footballguy
We can theorize all day, but with both Cooper & Tate, the grades are yet to be determined.
For you guys, it's very likely about this season only so a day-2 pick is very aggressive for Tate.
That said, if you win the SB, it will have been well worth it (obviously).
Deamon
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