ya this was already discussed quite a bit earlier in here. Might not be relevant anymore anyways with their record.
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*Official 2019 Philadelphia Eagles Thread* - Season's over; Go Away Now... (1 Viewer)
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The Noid
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Here's the top 3 things I'm watching for, when camp opens tomorrow:
- Is Miles Sanders a full participant? If he's not, that would worry me and could also speak to the Sproles signing if they know something we don't. If Sanders is dealing with something lingering, and Clement is still a question mark as far as health after his surgery, there may have been more to them signing Sproles than everyone thought.
- Does Jenkins report, and is he a full go? I still think there's a re-working of his contract coming, so we could see him show but not put himself in harms way until that's done.
- What's the amount of veteran load management? I'd actually prefer to see it extended more than in the past. JP, Cox, DJax, Ertz, even Wentz. With all the recovering of injuries they have on the roster this year (again), and the expectations for this season, they can't afford to have the healthy pieces get run down or hurt.
DJackson10
Footballguy
I'm the last guy who would say that. I've been a Roseman fan (Biased in some ways given his UF days) since day 1 and think he doesn't get appreciated enough. I'm just having a hard time with those who use the straw man arguments for why Sproles is back because there's other ways to get those things rather then wasting the spot on him. The return spot? He hasn't done a thing since 2015 and we got Jackson back to do that. Vet leadership role? We couldn't have hired him in an advisory role and Brought in Blount/Gore instead who can still go? He's been hurt 2 out of the last 3 yrs and I see a lot of the same people who wanted to keep Foles and let Wentz go do to injury history completely forget Sproles has missed more games the last two seasons. He lost what made him so great his speed. He's barely getting by guys he use to blow by. Let the younger guys play. Only way they are gonna learn at this point is reps and game time.
My gut feeling at this point is there's more concern with Sanders then then are letting on so he was brought back do to that.
DJackson10
Footballguy
And Zeke is holding out in Dallas. Dude should get paid if he's gonna break his back carrying that team. Dal also released Allen Hurns after 1 year.
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DJackson10
Footballguy
In non Eagles news Dr ANdrews cleared Jay Train today
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Insein
Footballguy
Tough call for Dallas. Overpay a RB even though he carries the offense or save that money to overpay the QB who they know isn't worth the top pay slot.
Or just go full Cowboys and overpay both.
babydemon90
Footballguy
Thats the problem with taking him so high. You drafted Elliot 4th overall or so - you gotta pay him. He's a good player - but RB's just aren't worth committing cap (or significant draft capital) to.
jasvic
Footballguy
CentralPA
Footballguy
via Adam Caplan Twitter: "Looking forward to getting my #NFLTrainingcamp tour started today with the #Eagles. I'm told Miles Sanders (hamstrings) will practice is ready to go."
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DJackson10
Footballguy
Let em overpay both and we'll at least have 2 teams them and WAS we won't have the worry about for the next few yrsInsein said:
DJackson10
Footballguy
That's why I never got the whole Take Zeke over Wentz crowd. RB isn't worth committing that sort of cap and draft capital on over a QB who will play twice as long if not longer then the backbabydemon90 said:
DJackson10
Footballguy
Only in the sense if Sanders and Clement are both hurt. If they aren't it's a waste of a spot taking reps away from guys who need them.Deamon said:
Amused to Death
Footballguy
Yeah while Zeke is a generational talent, its a position that one of the easiest to replace. Teams spend their cap on QB, O & D lines, and WRs. Very few RBs get top money and certainly not on many SB winning teams in recent history.
Let 'em tie it up on a RB though.
So if Clement is also hurt than this is a good move. If not, than Howie is dumb for doing this.
CentralPA
Footballguy
Howard, Sanders, Sproles, and then who ever wins the spot. I am going to say either Clement or Smallwood.
Insein
Footballguy
DJackson10
Footballguy
I think its dumb because it's stealing reps from young players. Like I said a lot of the arguments here can be easily argued in favor of not bringing Sproles back. Leadership role and depth they could've went after Gore or Signed Blount again. Both have more in the tank then Sproles does at this point. Punt Return? We got DeSean back, Thompkins appears he can do it and Sony Micheal's brother has experience in the CFL with it and is apparently turning heads in camp with some predictions he could make the team. I'd have had no issue with Sproles had he not been injured and was performing very well still but neither is the case. He's gotten slower and been injured the past two years. If they wanted a veteran there were and are others out there to be hand who can offer the same or more at this point
Ok. So if he makes the team then you think you have a better grasp on his talent than Howie and Doug. Got it.
jerseys finest
Footballguy
I stand by the fact that they didn't just bring him back because its "darren sproles" and if he makes the team its because he outplayed some of the younger guys, plain and simple. He's not wasting a roster spot on the 90 man group and he wont be wasting a spot on the 53 man roster if he makes it. DJax isn't here to return punts outside of us getting a punt with under 2 min left in the 4th, down a score. How can you say definitively that he has "gotten slower"? Just because he's 36 and had a couple bad injuries? Djax(32) or ted ginn (34)gotten slower too? Both have been injured and both are still 2 of the fastest men in the NFL. Sproles keeps himself in excellent shape, despite his age or injuries, and offers more to this team than Gore or Blount would. We weren't the only team going after him either. He chose to come back to philly. Read this article from PFT. https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/07/26/darren-sproles-had-other-offers-but-didnt-want-to-leave-philadelphia/
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The Noid
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I don't get this, and it's a common refrain in this Sproles debate, here and on sports radio and the Eagles boards. Because of his age and experience, he doesn't need a ton of reps. Because of his recent injuries, they don't want him getting a ton of reps. They know what he can do. They don't need to see him prove anything in camp. If anything, those young guys will be getting MORE reps with him there (to keep his load down) than if they had brought in another UDFA RB or young guy for camp, instead, that they need to get a good look at.
If he's good-to-go when the season starts, he's not going to be a feature back. He'll compliment the other backs. That's how this backfield has been since Doug got here. When they need a solid pass-blocker on a 3rd and long, he's who they are turning to. If they want to try and exploit a LB match-up with a wheel route, he's who they are turning to. So when they need that 3rd and long protection for a key conversion against Seattle, or need that wheel route to spark the offense against the Patriots, you would rather they put younger guys like Sanders or Scott in there just so they can "get the game reps" and not the vet who's been doing it consistently for 15 years?
If you're in this camp over a guy that's likely going to get a selective 5-7 touches and play 15% of the snaps, then you should think it's even more egregious that Jason Peters (a year older than Sproles, with his own injury history, at 8x the cap space) is still here with the intent to play 100% of the snaps and stealing reps from Dillard and Mailata.
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DJackson10
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I think he's making the team regardless because Howie and Doug have a huge boner for the guy. IDeamon said:
DJackson10
Footballguy
Just like Vick when he was hear I was seeing guys Sproles use to get past with ease struggle to even get past them. He might outwit the young Rookie or inexperienced guy but he's not getting away from the D Line guys he use to get by. Sproles is also much smaller then them so he's going to have even more wear and tear on him.jerseys finest said:
DJackson10
Footballguy
Peters is still hands down when Healthy the best LT in Football. He's lost a step but his lost step there's Tackles who wish had just as much talent as him. Sproles hasn't done anything impactful in the last two years. The 15 or 16 season the 150 yard Rec game vs Pitt was the last time he had a legit impact on the game. That's 3 or 4 yrs ago. He also hasn't had a PR for a TD since 2015. RB just wasn't a position we really needed to address at this point. Much rather have gotten more depth at G/LB. Let me remind you that Pitt defense was god awful so it wasn't even against a top Defense. DeSean has also been producing at a high level along with Ginn the last few yrs.The Noid said:
I don't think Mailata is ready to play huge mins for this team yet. Dilliard can definitely learn more sitting behind Peters. Tackles a position you can draft a guy and don't need to throw him in the fire right away as they need a lot more time to develop. If JP gets hurt again this year and Dillard comes in and impresses right away I say then its time to let JP walk. Until then I got more trust in him protecting my newly financed franchise QB over a rookie and a guy who just started playing football.
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GoBirds
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Insein
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Tate suspended 4 games now (I can't see him losing that appeal though). Giants WR's have to be the worst in the league at this point. Washington not much better. Cooper makes Dallas' okay, but nothing really outside of him. I can't think of a division that even touches how bad our WR's are.
Amused to Death
Footballguy
Yes ours is good, especially if you count TE's.
But the rest of our divisions combined is absolutely awful.
Rookie_Whisperer
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Thanks for reading and commenting.The "in depth" analysis here is really what makes this board so valuable....
EDT: Ahhh, I see what you did there. My reply on your post in the Goedert thread was that you made the exact post that had been made and discussed already on that page very recently. Glad you searched me out to 'get me back' but this topic hasn't been discussed at all.
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First practice in pads today. Football has arrived. Here's some of Zangaro's observations if anyone is interested:
1. We’ll start with some big hits because it seemed like a few defensive players were pretty happy to have those pads on. One of them was Andrew Sendejo. The veteran safety had the first big hit of the summer, when he knocked Josh Adams to the ground. Adams actually outweighs Sendejo by 15 pounds, but he still went flying.
2. But the biggest hit of the day belonged to former CFL linebacker Alex Singleton, who obliterated running back Boston Scott after a screen pass. This time of year there are several numbers that are duplicated on offense and defense. One of them is 49. Guess which players wear that number. Yup, Singleton and Scott. A little 49-on-49 crime.
3. A little shuffle at cornerback today. Still without Jalen Mills and Ronald Darby, the Eagles starters in their base package were Rasul Douglas and Sidney Jones. Avonte Maddox came on as the nickel corner. Before this, Maddox was a starter and would slide inside in nickel. So it seems like they definitely like him inside.
4. Jones has already made a few big plays this summer. Today, he had a juggling interception on a ball that was slightly under thrown to Mack Hollins. It was a really impressive play for Jones, who has been making them often so far. We’re seeing that talent that would have made him a first-rounder before that Achilles injury in 2017.
5. Vinny Curry got in the backfield on consecutive snaps during 11-on-11s to blow up plays. After both, he celebrated with some dancing. Curry brought some energy today. Without Michael Bennett and Chris Long, getting a productive Curry this season would really be helpful.
6. Carson Wentz didn’t have a great day and he threw his first interception of camp. Kamu Grugier-Hill did a nice job reading him and dropped into the passing lane to pick off the ball.
7. The Eagles’ offense opened up in 12 personnel again today and the first pass was a short one to Dallas Goedert. They’ve been running a lot of plays so far this summer that seem to be designed to get the ball in Goedert’s hands quickly.
8. During 1-on-1 receiver vs. DB drills, the defensive backs started off really strong. First, Rasul Douglas had a strong pass breakup against Alshon Jeffery; Douglas pushed back to the ball. Then, Jones had tight coverage on DeSean Jackson and the ball fell incomplete. Then, Malcolm Jenkins got beat off the line by Nelson Agholor, but recovered and stretched out his hands to make sure the pass wasn’t completed. The first completion came on the fourth rep, a pass to JJ Arcega-Whiteside in front of Jeremiah McKinnon.
9. Brandon Graham got what would have been a sack during 11-on-11s. He got in the backfield in a hurry. Remember, this time last year he was still getting over an ankle injury that lingered into the season. It’s a big deal for him to be healthy right now.
10. Saw some nice snaps out of Hassan Ridgeway today. It’s hard to judge linemen until the pads come on, but I see why the Eagles liked him. He might be a decent interior depth guy.
1. We’ll start with some big hits because it seemed like a few defensive players were pretty happy to have those pads on. One of them was Andrew Sendejo. The veteran safety had the first big hit of the summer, when he knocked Josh Adams to the ground. Adams actually outweighs Sendejo by 15 pounds, but he still went flying.
2. But the biggest hit of the day belonged to former CFL linebacker Alex Singleton, who obliterated running back Boston Scott after a screen pass. This time of year there are several numbers that are duplicated on offense and defense. One of them is 49. Guess which players wear that number. Yup, Singleton and Scott. A little 49-on-49 crime.
3. A little shuffle at cornerback today. Still without Jalen Mills and Ronald Darby, the Eagles starters in their base package were Rasul Douglas and Sidney Jones. Avonte Maddox came on as the nickel corner. Before this, Maddox was a starter and would slide inside in nickel. So it seems like they definitely like him inside.
4. Jones has already made a few big plays this summer. Today, he had a juggling interception on a ball that was slightly under thrown to Mack Hollins. It was a really impressive play for Jones, who has been making them often so far. We’re seeing that talent that would have made him a first-rounder before that Achilles injury in 2017.
5. Vinny Curry got in the backfield on consecutive snaps during 11-on-11s to blow up plays. After both, he celebrated with some dancing. Curry brought some energy today. Without Michael Bennett and Chris Long, getting a productive Curry this season would really be helpful.
6. Carson Wentz didn’t have a great day and he threw his first interception of camp. Kamu Grugier-Hill did a nice job reading him and dropped into the passing lane to pick off the ball.
7. The Eagles’ offense opened up in 12 personnel again today and the first pass was a short one to Dallas Goedert. They’ve been running a lot of plays so far this summer that seem to be designed to get the ball in Goedert’s hands quickly.
8. During 1-on-1 receiver vs. DB drills, the defensive backs started off really strong. First, Rasul Douglas had a strong pass breakup against Alshon Jeffery; Douglas pushed back to the ball. Then, Jones had tight coverage on DeSean Jackson and the ball fell incomplete. Then, Malcolm Jenkins got beat off the line by Nelson Agholor, but recovered and stretched out his hands to make sure the pass wasn’t completed. The first completion came on the fourth rep, a pass to JJ Arcega-Whiteside in front of Jeremiah McKinnon.
9. Brandon Graham got what would have been a sack during 11-on-11s. He got in the backfield in a hurry. Remember, this time last year he was still getting over an ankle injury that lingered into the season. It’s a big deal for him to be healthy right now.
10. Saw some nice snaps out of Hassan Ridgeway today. It’s hard to judge linemen until the pads come on, but I see why the Eagles liked him. He might be a decent interior depth guy.
DJackson10
Footballguy
The worst thing about all of this is my one manager a Giants fan wants them to lose so its not even fun to go after for all of this
Kwai Chang Caine
Footballguy
Agree 100%. Hell, if I were the Giants, I would have drafted Darnild over Barkley. I know that’s unpopular but look at their situation. Barkley is amazing but will they ever have the team to capitalize on him within 4 more years?
Kwai Chang Caine
Footballguy
For fantasy purposes I’m grabbing Wentz everywhere. Gonna be this year’s Andrew Luck. He stays healthy, the Birds are gonna score A LOT!
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DJackson10
Footballguy
Yep when all these fans were like I hope the Giants don't take Barkley I'm like why? Mentioned the exact bolded to them. No guarantee either Zeke or Barkley plays more then 6 seasons as a top guy before the wear and tear. Given the run game isn't as huge as it use to be not many teams repaying out the wazoo for them either so he'll either be traded or let go before his career is up. You can fault Howie and Doug for a lot of things but the biggest thing they got right and people need to understand is getting out in front and doing all they could to get Wentz. I keep mentioning The Athletic article I read either last season or before on how Carson got here and if you have the Subscription it's a must read. Doug apparently got Howie on board with Wentz after Andy was having Brad Childress look for QB's to run the perfect hybrid spread West Coast offense. Only guy who could do it he scouted was Wentz. Had the Eagles not moved up I think KC would've done everything they could to get him.
DJackson10
Footballguy
No-one brought this up yet but we signed Orlando Scandrick to a one year deal and released DT Anthony Rush (Thats a good last name for a D line guy). Sounds like they wanted more depth.
Also Cards Released Robert Nkemdiche wouldn't mind seeing if we could ing him for depth
Lions released RB Theo Riddick who's a nice pas catcher in the backfield
Also Cards Released Robert Nkemdiche wouldn't mind seeing if we could ing him for depth
Lions released RB Theo Riddick who's a nice pas catcher in the backfield
The Noid
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Not true. He was huge in the Week 16 game against Houston just last year. That was a game we won by 2 points that would have been right up there with the Titans and Panthers choke jobs if Sproles doesn't lead the team in rushing, have over 100 combined yards rushing and receiving, and this touchdown. He also had a key block to give Foles the time to hit Ertz on this TD. Look who they trusted as the RB to protect Foles on this TD bomb to Agholor. And on the final, game-winning FG drive, had this key 16-yard run for a first down that officially put them in FG range.
I'd rather have him as my 4th RB, for the times like that where they need someone to step up or depend on a savvy vet, than Adams or Smallwood.
Insein
Footballguy
It's tough when it's mostly Eagles fans. I might have to reach in the 5th for him but I really like what he can do this year.
GoBirds
Footballguy
I agree, I wonder how far we need to reach to get him before the next guy thinking the same thing?
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