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*** Official 2024-25 NHL, I mean NY Rangers Thread *** (1 Viewer)

Draft tonight. I don't know anything of any of the prospects this year other than Celebrini.

I did see Saros signed an 8 year extension for $62M.
The Rangers are in a bit of a predicament in regard to their most important player (Shesterkin). He is coming due for an extension and I've read reports that he is looking for $12M/year. That would be a cap killer, imho. I thought Bobrovski's salary was a cap killer as well, but that's $10M/year. I'm torn because obviously bringing back #31 is a priority, but look at some recent successful teams (other than Panthers and Bolts) and they've made hay deep in the playoffs with goalies in the $4-$5M range (and Adin Hill).

Free agency starts Monday, and I think buyouts start coming up pretty soon as well. Should be some interesting moves made.
 
guru_007 said:
Draft tonight. I don't know anything of any of the prospects this year other than Celebrini.

I did see Saros signed an 8 year extension for $62M.
The Rangers are in a bit of a predicament in regard to their most important player (Shesterkin). He is coming due for an extension and I've read reports that he is looking for $12M/year. That would be a cap killer, imho. I thought Bobrovski's salary was a cap killer as well, but that's $10M/year. I'm torn because obviously bringing back #31 is a priority, but look at some recent successful teams (other than Panthers and Bolts) and they've made hay deep in the playoffs with goalies in the $4-$5M range (and Adin Hill).

Free agency starts Monday, and I think buyouts start coming up pretty soon as well. Should be some interesting moves made.
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But wouldn't the cap hit only come in the 25-26 season? The Rangers have one more year to get this done because after the next season there will be big changes.
Lots of Trouba talk but unless they can dump his salary in a trade, I think he should be back another year and dropped down to the 3rd line. Don't buy him out this year but maybe after next season. Unless there is some kind of locker room issue with him having the C on his jersey, which I haven't heard.
 
jamny said:
guru_007 said:
Draft tonight. I don't know anything of any of the prospects this year other than Celebrini.

I did see Saros signed an 8 year extension for $62M.
The Rangers are in a bit of a predicament in regard to their most important player (Shesterkin). He is coming due for an extension and I've read reports that he is looking for $12M/year. That would be a cap killer, imho. I thought Bobrovski's salary was a cap killer as well, but that's $10M/year. I'm torn because obviously bringing back #31 is a priority, but look at some recent successful teams (other than Panthers and Bolts) and they've made hay deep in the playoffs with goalies in the $4-$5M range (and Adin Hill).

Free agency starts Monday, and I think buyouts start coming up pretty soon as well. Should be some interesting moves made.
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But wouldn't the cap hit only come in the 25-26 season? The Rangers have one more year to get this done because after the next season there will be big changes.
Lots of Trouba talk but unless they can dump his salary in a trade, I think he should be back another year and dropped down to the 3rd line. Don't buy him out this year but maybe after next season. Unless there is some kind of locker room issue with him having the C on his jersey, which I haven't heard.
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Right, not worried about next year, but down the road, do you want them carrying $12/M/year in goal? Look at what Quick did this year. Years past they've gotten great production out of Ranta and Georgiev. Is it the goalie or the system really? Yes, Igor's fantastic but something like 15-20% of the cap on one player is going to be a tough pill to swallow.
I like Trouba a lot. I don't think any team is going to take on his salary though without the Rangers giving up valuable assets. And I don't see a buyout coming. Looks like Kakko is going to be dealt though which sucks because I firmly believe he will be a very very good two way player in this league.
 
guru_007 said:
jamny said:
guru_007 said:
Draft tonight. I don't know anything of any of the prospects this year other than Celebrini.

I did see Saros signed an 8 year extension for $62M.
The Rangers are in a bit of a predicament in regard to their most important player (Shesterkin). He is coming due for an extension and I've read reports that he is looking for $12M/year. That would be a cap killer, imho. I thought Bobrovski's salary was a cap killer as well, but that's $10M/year. I'm torn because obviously bringing back #31 is a priority, but look at some recent successful teams (other than Panthers and Bolts) and they've made hay deep in the playoffs with goalies in the $4-$5M range (and Adin Hill).

Free agency starts Monday, and I think buyouts start coming up pretty soon as well. Should be some interesting moves made.
Click to expand...
But wouldn't the cap hit only come in the 25-26 season? The Rangers have one more year to get this done because after the next season there will be big changes.
Lots of Trouba talk but unless they can dump his salary in a trade, I think he should be back another year and dropped down to the 3rd line. Don't buy him out this year but maybe after next season. Unless there is some kind of locker room issue with him having the C on his jersey, which I haven't heard.
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Right, not worried about next year, but down the road, do you want them carrying $12/M/year in goal? Look at what Quick did this year. Years past they've gotten great production out of Ranta and Georgiev. Is it the goalie or the system really? Yes, Igor's fantastic but something like 15-20% of the cap on one player is going to be a tough pill to swallow.
I like Trouba a lot. I don't think any team is going to take on his salary though without the Rangers giving up valuable assets. And I don't see a buyout coming. Looks like Kakko is going to be dealt though which sucks because I firmly believe he will be a very very good two way player in this league.
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I think Igor will wind up around 13% of the cap.
Moving Kakko would be dumb. They need RW help even with him. They just need him to play to his size. I too think he'll take the next step.
 
jamny said:
guru_007 said:
Draft tonight. I don't know anything of any of the prospects this year other than Celebrini.

I did see Saros signed an 8 year extension for $62M.
The Rangers are in a bit of a predicament in regard to their most important player (Shesterkin). He is coming due for an extension and I've read reports that he is looking for $12M/year. That would be a cap killer, imho. I thought Bobrovski's salary was a cap killer as well, but that's $10M/year. I'm torn because obviously bringing back #31 is a priority, but look at some recent successful teams (other than Panthers and Bolts) and they've made hay deep in the playoffs with goalies in the $4-$5M range (and Adin Hill).

Free agency starts Monday, and I think buyouts start coming up pretty soon as well. Should be some interesting moves made.
Click to expand...
But wouldn't the cap hit only come in the 25-26 season? The Rangers have one more year to get this done because after the next season there will be big changes.
Lots of Trouba talk but unless they can dump his salary in a trade, I think he should be back another year and dropped down to the 3rd line. Don't buy him out this year but maybe after next season. Unless there is some kind of locker room issue with him having the C on his jersey, which I haven't heard.
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i trust larry brooks and he whispered today that is seems like there will be a deal in place for troubadour to go to detroit with nyr retaining about 30% of his salary, which would yield and extra $5.5mm in space. on igor i am torn, he is way above average, but 12mm is something i wouldn’t do with the nhl cap. i would actually look to deal igor and get garand ready. it’s been proven in the cap era that a goalie doesn’t win the cup. kakko can go IMO. i just don’t think his draft position warrants the investment any longer. he is not a great skater, not very shifty nor creative. he is big bodied, but doesn’t use it much. he plays 3rd line minutes and no PP. i think what you see is what he is. if you can’t produce at all with kreider and mika, then when does it happen. move trouba and maybe find a replacement using krappo. thing is about trouba, he is the most physical and menacing ranger, they need more of them.
 
Chemical X said:
jamny said:
guru_007 said:
Draft tonight. I don't know anything of any of the prospects this year other than Celebrini.

I did see Saros signed an 8 year extension for $62M.
The Rangers are in a bit of a predicament in regard to their most important player (Shesterkin). He is coming due for an extension and I've read reports that he is looking for $12M/year. That would be a cap killer, imho. I thought Bobrovski's salary was a cap killer as well, but that's $10M/year. I'm torn because obviously bringing back #31 is a priority, but look at some recent successful teams (other than Panthers and Bolts) and they've made hay deep in the playoffs with goalies in the $4-$5M range (and Adin Hill).

Free agency starts Monday, and I think buyouts start coming up pretty soon as well. Should be some interesting moves made.
Click to expand...
But wouldn't the cap hit only come in the 25-26 season? The Rangers have one more year to get this done because after the next season there will be big changes.
Lots of Trouba talk but unless they can dump his salary in a trade, I think he should be back another year and dropped down to the 3rd line. Don't buy him out this year but maybe after next season. Unless there is some kind of locker room issue with him having the C on his jersey, which I haven't heard.
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i trust larry brooks and he whispered today that is seems like there will be a deal in place for troubadour to go to detroit with nyr retaining about 30% of his salary, which would yield and extra $5.5mm in space. on igor i am torn, he is way above average, but 12mm is something i wouldn’t do with the nhl cap. i would actually look to deal igor and get garand ready. it’s been proven in the cap era that a goalie doesn’t win the cup. kakko can go IMO. i just don’t think his draft position warrants the investment any longer. he is not a great skater, not very shifty nor creative. he is big bodied, but doesn’t use it much. he plays 3rd line minutes and no PP. i think what you see is what he is. if you can’t produce at all with kreider and mika, then when does it happen. move trouba and maybe find a replacement using krappo. thing is about trouba, he is the most physical and menacing ranger, they need more of them.
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Yeah, I've been reading about the Trouba deal and it sounds good. One thing I have to say is that I'm really annoyed by some of the comments on social media about Trouba. It seems like he became the scape goat for the loss and people are really piling on. Yes, he wasn't good but he plays his heart out, imo, and did all he could physically. I don't have a problem with them moving on from him but hate the disrespect he's getting. He deserves better.
If the Rangers had depth at RW, I'd be fine with moving on from Kakko too. But as it is, the position is a weakness for them since the horrible Buchnevich trade. I think they should keep him at this price for the season and give him one more shot.
With Igor, it depends on how many years he wants. Maybe don't extend him now and take your chances.
 
Chemical X said:
thing is about trouba, he is the most physical and menacing ranger, they need more of them.
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That’s the rub with Drury’s moves so far of waiving Goodrow and now probably trading Trouba. It’s critical to shed salary and get cap space, but at the same time they’re trying to get tougher/harder to play against, and these moves remove a lot of that (while removing key leadership from the room).

Hearing Tyler Bertuzzi’s name as a potential free agent add - would be a great fit.
 
Matt Roy is getting so little respect as free agency comes. He's the #1 guy I want for Toronto. Sounds like Tanev and/or Zadorov are more likely though.
 
northern exposure said:
Capella said:
Guentzel to Tampa. Lol Bolts saw Florida win one title and said nah we gotta get back up.
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I don't think subtracting Sergachev, Jeannot and Stamkos and adding Guentzel makes the Lightning a better team.
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Well that’s not the whole picture. Jeannot is negative value. Guentzel is way better than Stammer at this point (who I hope they re-sign) and if they don’t they’ll add somebody else. They should still have 7-8M in cap.

Losing Sergachev sucks but apparently the Utah D they got is ok and they did trade for McDonagh. Depending on what else is coming I think they will be better.
 
Capella said:
northern exposure said:
Capella said:
Guentzel to Tampa. Lol Bolts saw Florida win one title and said nah we gotta get back up.
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I don't think subtracting Sergachev, Jeannot and Stamkos and adding Guentzel makes the Lightning a better team.
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Well that’s not the whole picture. Jeannot is negative value. Guentzel is way better than Stammer at this point (who I hope they re-sign) and if they don’t they’ll add somebody else. They should still have 7-8M in cap.

Losing Sergachev sucks but apparently the Utah D they got is ok and they did trade for McDonagh. Depending on what else is coming I think they will be better.
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Hedman probably needs an extension as well. Only 1 year left on his current deal.
 
northern exposure said:
Capella said:
northern exposure said:
Capella said:
Guentzel to Tampa. Lol Bolts saw Florida win one title and said nah we gotta get back up.
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I don't think subtracting Sergachev, Jeannot and Stamkos and adding Guentzel makes the Lightning a better team.
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Well that’s not the whole picture. Jeannot is negative value. Guentzel is way better than Stammer at this point (who I hope they re-sign) and if they don’t they’ll add somebody else. They should still have 7-8M in cap.

Losing Sergachev sucks but apparently the Utah D they got is ok and they did trade for McDonagh. Depending on what else is coming I think they will be better.
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Hedman probably needs an extension as well. Only 1 year left on his current deal.
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That’s reportedly being announced tomorrow.
 
Capella said:
northern exposure said:
Capella said:
Guentzel to Tampa. Lol Bolts saw Florida win one title and said nah we gotta get back up.
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I don't think subtracting Sergachev, Jeannot and Stamkos and adding Guentzel makes the Lightning a better team.
Click to expand...
Well that’s not the whole picture. Jeannot is negative value. Guentzel is way better than Stammer at this point (who I hope they re-sign) and if they don’t they’ll add somebody else. They should still have 7-8M in cap.

Losing Sergachev sucks but apparently the Utah D they got is ok and they did trade for McDonagh. Depending on what else is coming I think they will be better.
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I don't know if they're significantly better or worse next year but their window for winning is likely longer with Guentzel, Moser, Geekie, McDonagh and an extra 2nd round pick than it is with Stamkos, Sergachev and Jeannot, though a lot depends on Moser stepping up in their system, Geekie developing well and that pick becoming either a prospect or piece at this year's deadline.

I feel like they may be very good, not good enough to win the cup during that now extended window (a position as a Leafs fan I'm very familiar with) with the health/play of Vasilevskiy being the one thing that can swing where they stand for better or worse.
 
Northern Voice said:
I feel like they may be very good, not good enough to win the cup during that now extended window (a position as a Leafs fan I'm very familiar with) with the health/play of Vasilevskiy being the one thing that can swing where they stand for better or worse.
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Yea my hope is they are good enough to get to the playoffs and then Vasy just gets red hot for two months.
 
Rumors-
Reinhart to re-sign with Panthers on 8 yr deal
Jake Guentzel to sign 7 yr deal with Lightning
Bruins, Predators and Red Wings making strong offers to Stamkos. Predators thought to be front runners to sign him.
ETA- Now seeing Las Vegas making strong push to get Stamkos as they are expecting Jonathan Marchessault to leave in Free Agency. Devils and Kings also chasing Stamkos.
 
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northern exposure said:
ETA- Now seeing Las Vegas making strong push to get Stamkos as they are expecting Jonathan Marchessault to leave in Free Agency. Devils and Kings also chasing Stamkos.
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Heard that as well - the Knights must have some other moves in mind if they're gunning for Stamkos while letting Marchessault walk. Probably somewhat of a cap hit wash for those two guys.
 
Capella said:
Guentzel to Tampa. Lol Bolts saw Florida win one title and said nah we gotta get back up.
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By what year does the state of Florida surpass all of Canada for total Stanley Cups?
It's 49 (counting the Maroons) to 4 right now, but the trend line should be alarming to our northern friends.

It's a tough over/under to set, but I'll throw out the year 2103
 
zamboni said:
Boston said:
Seeing Bertuzzi to Hawks for 4/22
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Really was hoping the Rangers would nab him, but probably not at that price.
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He is an odd player...he can help any team but IMO he's not the type of player you want to invest real $ in if you are a contender that has to make legit cap decisions...Hawks are a good fit since they are not a contender but should be on the rise so he will help with that at a price they can afford.
 
Boston said:
zamboni said:
Boston said:
Seeing Bertuzzi to Hawks for 4/22
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Really was hoping the Rangers would nab him, but probably not at that price.
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He is an odd player...he can help any team but IMO he's not the type of player you want to invest real $ in if you are a contender that has to make legit cap decisions...Hawks are a good fit since they are not a contender but should be on the rise so he will help with that at a price they can afford.
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No question. He's the type of player you want to have when the stakes are highest in the playoffs, but not at any cost. If cost weren't an issue, the Rangers wouldn't have dumped Barclay Goodrow despite his lackluster regular season point totals.
 
I’ll miss Stammer if he leaves. Doesn’t even sound right for him to play elsewhere.

That said Guentzel - Point - Kuch is a hilariously good line. Excited for that.
 
Speaking of Goodrow, the Rangers are signing a much lower priced replacement in Sam Carrick from the Oilers. Also brings some much needed toughness (9 fights last year).
 
Northern Voice said:
Matt Roy is getting so little respect as free agency comes. He's the #1 guy I want for Toronto. Sounds like Tanev and/or Zadorov are more likely though.
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That surprises me that you want him that bad. Watching him day in and day out he is ok. Nothing spectacular but not great either. Seems weird someone would want him as their top FA choice. What do you like so much about him? Just a fit?
 
Gally said:
Northern Voice said:
Matt Roy is getting so little respect as free agency comes. He's the #1 guy I want for Toronto. Sounds like Tanev and/or Zadorov are more likely though.
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That surprises me that you want him that bad. Watching him day in and day out he is ok. Nothing spectacular but not great either. Seems weird someone would want him as their top FA choice. What do you like so much about him? Just a fit?
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Big, mobile right shot defenceman with a bit of meanness and a good puck mover. He's the only D in this free agency class, aside from Montour who is going to get PAID, who grades out above average on both offense and defense - true two way guy, and he's younger than all equivalent options (Tanev, Ekman-Larsson, Pesce, Zadorov) and should have the most left in the tank - Pesce is the same age actually but less skilled on the offensive side.
 
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