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*** Official 2024 Atlantic Hurricane Season Thread - Leslie, Milton *** and Helene (5 Viewers)
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The increase in homeowners insurance is statewide, much of related to roof damage from wind, and fraud. Flood insurance should be relatively cheap if you're a few miles from the coast, there's no mountains or dams in FL like in NC. If you directly on the gulf or Atlantic Ocean I think you should be self-insured, not insured by tax payers.
Condos are another matter after the Champlain towers collapse in 2021. Many condo associations put off major repairs and in increases in reserves for such repairs cause nobody wants to pay more. Now there's a 2025 deadline for a structural integrity reserve study for older condos and another 10-year inspection which is primarily visual. Many older condos have been putting off repairs and will have huge special assessments. Some luxury old condos have special assessments over $200k, many residents are old money folks in their 70s or 80s, who may have to sell. Some middle class condos have assessments of $20k or so, which is alot for a retired person living on social security. OTOH, some older condos have been well managed.
Just yesterday residents of a smaller condo on the Intracoastal in Ft. Lauderdale were ordered to evacuate their units. Many are in their 80s. An engineer hired by the HOA said the building was unsafe, while 2 engineers hired by the residents said the building needed some structural repairs but was safe to occupy. It's possible that the 1st engineer is in cahoots with a developer who wants to do a condo buyout, knock down the building and build something new and bigger. BTW, a 2/2 in that building sold for 500k in April. The best course of action might be a buyout.
In condos, there a bifurcation in pricing. Newer ones are maintaining pricing, while older ones are dropping in price. They have been overpriced IMO.
‘Going to go broke’: Condo owner hit with $224K assessment
‘What am I going to do?': Fort Lauderdale condo deemed unsafe, residents ordered to evacuate
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3C's
Footballguy
No idea who that is but the 12z GFS doesn't agree (though this far out it's not reliable). Will it be Helene? No, not even close. But 12z says it will be a fairly strong hurricane.
Capella
Footballguy
Very well respected Florida meteorologist. He didn’t say it’s impossible just not on track to be Helene and no reason for Tampa people to be concerned right now. He also said there’s a lot of people trying to scare on social media about this (which he’s right about).
GregR
Footballguy
My dude's comments... very low confidence in steering forecasts at this point, and so it may be a storm with short notice on where it's going to go. Likely to encounter sheer to the north (common this time of year) which would push it east, but there are tracks from often reliable models sending it to the central Gulf Coast. That's if it even makes it into the Gulf, could end up going into Mexico still he says.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Man… don’t want to come off as measuring what is worse here. But those areas of Western NC and East TN. Those aren’t high income, they well covered by insurance…high net worth areas. They are going to need help big time and such a beautiful are of this country hurting big time and changed by this weather.
GB the lineman and first responders and all working still to deal with the aftermath
GB the lineman and first responders and all working still to deal with the aftermath
culdeus
Footballguy
2. Western Caribbean Sea and Gulf of Mexico:
A broad area of low pressure located over the western Caribbean Sea
is producing disorganized showers and thunderstorms. Environmental
conditions appear to be conducive for gradual development, and a
tropical depression could form around the middle part of this week
while the disturbance meanders towards the west-northwest. This
system is then expected to move northwestward into the Gulf of
Mexico during the latter portion of this week, and interests in the
northwestern Caribbean Sea and along the U.S. Gulf Coast should
monitor its progress.
* Formation chance through 48 hours...low...near 0 percent.
* Formation chance through 7 days...medium...50 percent.
A broad area of low pressure located over the western Caribbean Sea
is producing disorganized showers and thunderstorms. Environmental
conditions appear to be conducive for gradual development, and a
tropical depression could form around the middle part of this week
while the disturbance meanders towards the west-northwest. This
system is then expected to move northwestward into the Gulf of
Mexico during the latter portion of this week, and interests in the
northwestern Caribbean Sea and along the U.S. Gulf Coast should
monitor its progress.
* Formation chance through 48 hours...low...near 0 percent.
* Formation chance through 7 days...medium...50 percent.
urbanhack
Fight The Power!
@Kilgore Trout - How are you doing buddy?? Thinking of you and your family.
beer 30
Footballguy
The devastation in Western NC & Tennessee are pretty complete, meaning the storm has taken out complete towns/villages/roads/infrastructure. I haven't seen a huge mobilization of state or federal response yet. Asheville is landlocked unless you are local and know backroads, every road into there is closed and some won't be coming back for months. It's a Katrina level event, no BS. I'm not sure Asheville comes back. The small towns in that area that are completely gone, it's just sad. Unfortunately I think the death toll is going to rise over the next few days as the water recedes.
Gatorade
Footballguy
beer 30
Footballguy
Water receded from Biltmore Village today, it's been underwater since Thursday. Guessing there are some on this board who have toured Biltmore Estate and this Village next to it. Given that their entire livelihood is dependent on tourism and they are coming up on the time of year they crush it (leaves turning colors and Christmas). I just don't know how they come back from this.
Dan Whittaker on Instagram: "The water receded at Biltmore Village in Asheville of western NC today revealing the devastation. I have been in this area many times, and today it was not recognizable. Now that the water is gone the rebuilding process can begin #helene #ncwx #asheville"
Dan Whittaker on Instagram: "The water receded at Biltmore Village in Asheville of western NC today revealing the devastation. I have been in this area many times, and today it was not recognizable. Now that the water is gone the rebuilding process can begin #helene #ncwx #asheville"
Mjolnirs
Footballguy
Starting day 4 of no power here in the Columbia area.
I have several friends in western NC/eastern TN and they have it much worse.
I read this book last year, One Second After, that deals with an EMP strike against the US. It centers around Black Mountain, NC, just east of Asheville. Seeing the devastation in that area, and the collapse of infrastructure from this storm makes me think of this book.
I have several friends in western NC/eastern TN and they have it much worse.
I read this book last year, One Second After, that deals with an EMP strike against the US. It centers around Black Mountain, NC, just east of Asheville. Seeing the devastation in that area, and the collapse of infrastructure from this storm makes me think of this book.
beer 30
Footballguy
Rumor has it Montreat College where a portion of that takes place doesn't exist anymore.
Montreat in ruins after catastrophic hurricane | 105.9 The Mountain
Montreat, N.C. has been near-obliterated by the catastrophic flooding caused by Hurricane Helene.
1059themountain.com
ChiefD
Footballguy
Expanding on this: right across the river to the right of that downtown area is a neighborhood. My brother lived in that neighborhood for a year while his house was getting built. I've been down there a couple times and met some of the people in that neighborhood. Which I imagine is now gone.Yeah. I've been down there as well. That's really sad. Such a cool place.Looks like downtown Chimney Rock is gone. We were there last year. Unbelievable.x.com
x.com
Just a sweet little community with extremely kind people. Just a terrible situation for them and everyone else in that region.
beer 30
Footballguy
I see looting is now a big thing in TN & NC. Well done dirt bags. Since the State & Fed's seem to still be thinking about responding I'm guessing there is going to be some vigilante justice up in the hills. Slashing tires on relief trucks at rest stops and stealing cargo. Wtf is wrong with people?
culdeus
Footballguy
That part of the country is basically third world. I got hooked on watching some youtubes of people exploring these places. They are trapped in the 90s (1890s).
SWC
Bromigo
southwest wisconsin floods too often despite a great deal of flood control work and levees and dams and i have gone over to help out with clean up more than once in the last 20 years and it always gets to me that after the floods have passed you have near total devastation but the sun comes out and the birds still sing really drives home how powerful nature is in any event i wish everyone the best and i hope that rebuilding can take place quickly and get people back to as closet to a normal life as possible
Sand
Footballguy
at the Feds worried about rioting and looting.
rustycolts
Footballguy
Yea there are some poor folks up there. All those I met were very kind and friendly people. Hard working when they can find work.
My Granddaughter and her husband live on Gentry mountain. Erwin is down the mountain from them it was flooded badly. They were building one of those Tiny homes on some land up there. They were trying to live off the grid. I guess that's OK when your in your early 20s. We heard from them they are OK. They just don't know if their house is still there.
BassNBrew
Footballguy
Brought some relatives back yesterday from Asheville to Charlotte and took food and water to some others. No electricity, water, cell phones, or gas. Amazing the number of power lines and trees down. One report last night said they were unable to access the country water treatment plant. Did see power come back on in some areas. 2000 people lined up at one grocery store. They were letting people in 10 at a time. Don't think they were taking bitcoin for payment either.
Desert_Power
Footballguy
Yeah, I know someone from college who works there and lives nearby. Was glad to see their family is safe.Rumor has it Montreat College where a portion of that takes place doesn't exist anymore.
Montreat in ruins after catastrophic hurricane | 105.9 The Mountain
Montreat, N.C. has been near-obliterated by the catastrophic flooding caused by Hurricane Helene.
Desert_Power
Footballguy
Stayed in the hotel you can see uphill at the start of this clip just last year. Was debating whether to go back or up to Boone in a few weeks. Guessing the answer is now neither...
beer 30
Footballguy
Yea Boone is no better off. The kids at App State getting a real education this week. I saw they opened their cafeteria to the public, hope that one was true.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
I’ll tone it down a bit with the vitriol toward any “fear mongering” or general annoyance regarding excessive preparation for these storms.
This one was really bad. 100 killed. 600 missing. Unimaginable property damage. Just horrible.
This one was really bad. 100 killed. 600 missing. Unimaginable property damage. Just horrible.
beer 30
Footballguy
I understand where you're coming from. I wouldn't tell folks not to prep for an event but if you live in FL/LA/TX along a coast, you probably get a bit more cavalier with your preps than some because you're just more accustom to having to deal with it. The thing with this is a lot of these folks are in the mountains, high up in the mountains. There had some forewarning but Helene moved fast comparatively and no one was predicting what happened in NC & TN. And even if you do prep, what are going to do when a wall of water inundates the town where you live and wipes out almost every means of escape from the situation. There aren't 8 lane highways leading to these spots, a lot of them there aren't paved roads. It's just a terrible situation that I'm not sure you could prepare properly for even if you had time to do so.
Now the response to send help, that's a different story. I haven't checked today but Fort Liberty (formerly Bragg) is about 300 miles away and as far as I know, there hasn't been anything out of there yet which just baffles me. Local pilots are donating time and helicopters to get supplies in & people out but this is shaping up to be East Palestine/Katrinaesque if it's not there already.
pollardsvision
Footballguy
Just brutal. Katrina on the mountain seems a fitting description.
NC Mountains are generally pretty well protected from extreme weather events. Not that any place "deserves" this sort of thing, but part of the deal for the NC mountains is that it's secluded, not fancy (outside of the beautiful views). it's far from everything, and not a glorious way of life. Not a ton of jobs. Hard living by today's standards. Part of the reason to live there is that it's seen as protected from biblical events.
And then here comes a biblical event.
Anyway, I'm talking out of my ***. This just royally sucks. A wonderful region just wiped out.
massraider
Footballguy
Whether they were right this time or not, your point is still valid. They make spectacle out of every stiff breeze. Boy who cried wolf and all that.
For real, if you are in that area, since when was hurricane a thing you had to worry about?
pollardsvision
Footballguy
Last time this area had to worry about it was Hugo. It was a before and after event. But even though Hugo was a big traditional storm, it didn't have anywhere near this level of flooding.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
Yes, they do, but some of them definitely should be taken seriously. This being one of them.
Max Power
Footballguy
From Ft. Liberty... There will be some generators sent that way, but this falls more at the feet of the National Guard. I'm pretty sure Gov. Cooper gave the thumbs up to mobilize them.
Liberty is focused on Iran potentially striking Israel today. It's elevated to high alert status for us right now.
culdeus
Footballguy
What? They thinking a rapture is happening?
BassNBrew
Footballguy
Hualing in supplies by mule.
3C's
Footballguy
Nah, Kirk and the one right behind never seemed to be much of a risk. Which is good since Kirk looks to be another big one.
Sparky Polastri
Footballguy
Really? My grandmother lives up there near the airport and she said they sw the military choopers etc flying in on Friday evening after the worst winds had left.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
I mean, given that this one was supposed to be not that bad in the Carolinas and yet this is how it turned out, taking them all seriously and telling people to prepare for the worst doesn't seem like a bad approach.
Sparky Polastri
Footballguy
C17s now landing at avl airport. Airport has been deemed stable and ready to accept that sort of traffic.
Desert_Power
Footballguy
Do you have any sourcing for that? Not that I doubt it, just has not been a figure I've been able to find yet.And still hundreds unaccounted for.x.com
One of the aspects of climate topics is just how expensive insurance is. There are parts of NC that simply are washed away.
166 now dead.
Max Power
Footballguy
Liberty organized a donation drive. Pretty awesome turnout so far and all these goods will start heading that way later today.
Timing of the port shutdown complicates the effort a bit. We have people donating and people hording at the same time. The stores around here may be picked over shortly.
Timing of the port shutdown complicates the effort a bit. We have people donating and people hording at the same time. The stores around here may be picked over shortly.
Chemical X
Footballguy
when i lived near raleigh, i was near a 100 year flood plain or whatever it was called. i think around 2017-2018 or whenever the hurricane that flooded houston came along, i began purchasing flood insurance. it is likely <.05% chance of occurring, but mine cost <$500 annually and i suppose it provided piece of mind. i got spooked that something could come along like this. anyone in this thread should seriously consider flood insurance, regardless of location IMO. the devastation is crazy, but having that flood insurance in your back pocket at least gives you a fighting chance.x.com
One of the aspects of climate topics is just how expensive insurance is. There are parts of NC that simply are washed away.
166 now dead.
beer 30
Footballguy
It does but don't expect it to replace your home as is. I was in a flood in 90's when we lived in Findlay, OH (which subsequently had a very bad not too long ago). We had to have flood insurance because a good portion of Findlay is built on a flood plane. We had a nice fully furnished basement that got flooded. I had put the appliances up on boxes so they didn't get water but all the paneling, carpet and bar were ruined. The adjuster came out and said he would cover the appliances if there was damage but other than that, flood insurance wasn't going to cover anything so we got $0. Had to takeout a small business loan to redo our basement. Read the fine print on the policy.when i lived near raleigh, i was near a 100 year flood plain or whatever it was called. i think around 2017-2018 or whenever the hurricane that flooded houston came along, i began purchasing flood insurance. it is likely <.05% chance of occurring, but mine cost <$500 annually and i suppose it provided piece of mind. i got spooked that something could come along like this. anyone in this thread should seriously consider flood insurance, regardless of location IMO. the devastation is crazy, but having that flood insurance in your back pocket at least gives you a fighting chance.x.com
One of the aspects of climate topics is just how expensive insurance is. There are parts of NC that simply are washed away.
166 now dead.
Mjolnirs
Footballguy
3C's
Footballguy
Do you have any sourcing for that? Not that I doubt it, just has not been a figure I've been able to find yet.And still hundreds unaccounted for.x.com
One of the aspects of climate topics is just how expensive insurance is. There are parts of NC that simply are washed away.
166 now dead.
Hurricane Helene live updates: Bidens directs up to 1,000 soldiers to assist in aid efforts as 175 people dead in storm aftermath
More than 150 people have died and hundreds are still missing as a result of Hurricane Helene and its aftermath, many caught in historic flooding.
www.nbcnews.com
GregR
Footballguy
It was one forming down near Mexico that was the concern. The likelihood of that has continued to drop over the first half of the week, like to just be some rain and thunderstorms but less likely to get tropical cyclone now.
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